The Bizarre Way We Track Fake Virus Particles That Shouldn't Work
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- čas přidán 10. 02. 2021
- The Lattice Boltzmann Method of modelling fluid flow (computational fluid dynamics) sounds like it couldn't possibly work but it has amazing predictive power. Coupled with Lagrangian Particle Tracking, it's a clever way to figure out how virus particles move around a building.
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I don't know who you are. I don't know what you want...
Chills mate.. chills
You've Taken my breath away
I just want to watch this video...
... so bugger off,,, whoops sorry!
I first understood Emmanuel Bernoulli and just thoght .. ofcourse he knows with fluid dynamics
Before I saw his name printed on screen, I heard "Emmanuel Bernoulli", and I thought, "well, no wonder he's good at this stuff!!" :))
Me too!
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nominative_determinism
Haha yeah
well we know that at a point the flow goes over to a turbulence. Very interesting indeed.
If only! Love a good niche joke.
"Imagine it's a spreadsheet. It probably isn't..." Um, you've known Matt Parker for _how_ long?
Matt appears in the example spreadsheet from the video 5:43
"Matt Parker Loves Tau" XD
@@tarkanal-kazily4950 So it seems. And spreadsheets don’t lie...
@@tarkanal-kazily4950 The Letter of the Greek alphabet or the Movie though?
@@Thermalions The measure of 2π(the mathematical constant) is specifically being referred to here.
I first heard you say "Vanoli" as "Bernoulli" and thought that was a suspiciously serendipitious name for an expert in fluid dynamics.
Same.
Same!
@@partypoet2012 bro fucking lmao. There is entirely too much wrong with your run on sentence for me to even attempt to break it all down for you. All i can say is stop getting your news from your crazy aunt rita on facebook, and start getting your news from legit news sources, including international news sources if you can even receive the signals for them with that tin foil hat on ;p
@@partypoet2012 bro, no one cares!
@@partypoet2012 wow, that's a lot of words.
"All models are wrong. Some models are useful."
-My professor on biological modeling
"Assume the cow is a sphere."
Not your biological modeling professor: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_models_are_wrong
@@partypoet2012 Are you trying to go for a lie/bullshit/misinformation speed run or something?
There is so many factually incorrect things in there that I can only sum up the response as "lol no".
@@partypoet2012 Whoa buddy, I think you need to take a break from the internet. From the sketchy corners at the very least!
@@partypoet2012 I genuinely feel sorry for you. You're either completely gullible or you've been hurt so severely by something that you cling to anything that seems to give you a definite answer in an inherently scary and imprecise world.
That is a worryingly good Liam Neeson impression.
That's just because he's really just Liam Neeson wearing a mask. Steve Mould doesn't exist.
Actually, it is terrible, really terrible. Really don't do it again, smh. You're friends obviously like you too much to tell you it sucks.
czcams.com/video/jZOywn1qArI/video.html
@@partypoet2012 [CITATION NEEDED]
If this CZcams thing doesn't work out for him, he could fall back on acting in action movies.
I think the lattice model needs to use hexagons, because they are the bestagons.
icosahedra in 3D ftw!
The 3D lattice model uses hexahedra, close enough?
@@mm1979dk
Nah, we need some kind of plesiohedron.
Grey
Indeed, hexagons ARE the bestagons.
Air curtains are underutilized.
One of the easiest ways to isolate an area with very little construction.
Starbucks loves them.
@@x--. glad they do it helps prevent insects from entering the store.
most retailers use them, besides countering insects, using positive air pressure in a vestibule also helps lessen heat loss from doors that open automatically, because the pressure of the air in the vestibule is higher than both the warm air in the store itself and the colder air outside (or vice versa during the hot months)
Very useful, including in saving energy in commercial temperature regulations
I suspect for hospitals they want better isolation than that. Like, they go for full-on negative pressure, or nothing at all. But anything is better than nothing!
Like comedian Pete Holmes says, the best way to do a good impression is to insist that it was good
Or a gun
@@tedarcher9120 Or a dumb haha lol
Now if only Pete Holmes could do an impression of a good comedian.
@@Flabulo that's like asking Seinfeld to do an impression of himself
@@doggfite wHaTs ThE dEaL
In college I did some work with modeling wildlife populations. The rule that all models follow: you don't need to be accurate, just accurate enough to be useful. The useful metric is determined by running the model and comparing the result to historic/real world data. The more dynamic the system, the worse all models are at peering into the future.
In this case, just seeing what its like in real world would have been a lot quicker and correct(er). I dont even see what the model is supposed to be for in this case. It might not even be correct, no word about validation was lost and thus I doubt they validated it. People move around, structures are not perfect as in the very simple model (all sorts of things are in the rooms, not just walls).
All in all, this seems like "ah this looks good" but it has either no real value or only by chance happens to work out in the real world.
Im saying this as someone modelling system like complex heat exchangers, chemical reactions or whatnot. I have seen models that were not validated (correctly) - and they are just trash.
@@leocurious9919 hardest thing to model is the validity of your model 🤔
@@leocurious9919 So, you're saying opening these two windows, which our best effort at the moment say would be helpful in limiting spread, is too much hassle in the end? [Yes, it is a rhetorical question]
@@partypoet2012 wow thered be a lot to unpack here if any of it actually made a lick of sense lmao
@@partypoet2012 dont bring poor mr freeman into this. Just cause hes famous and beloved doesnt mean hes right or that intelligence/education has anything to do with delusion.
We used a teen's vape to visualise airflows around an external supermarket queue with a 90 degree bend in it - proving 50% of all possible wind directions can cause particulate transfer, and you're never too old to be barred from Waitrose. Old uk duffer here :)
Yes I could see vape being excellent for visualizing airflow.
@Heather Petersen I love how 9/11 is completely off topic, its an art to be so... disconnected
So did anyone measure the actual airflow at sample points in the hospital to check the accuracy of the model?
You said that way more succinctly than me. Had the same question! And, to be clear, I'm rooting for the model to be useful. Is important to check though.
It's amazing how often the experts forget this simple point
At least in science, yes, you would test your model and calibrate the model with the results. Not a fluid modeler myself, but worked with them on several occasions.
They don't mention it, but they probably validated the model with smoke or something.
They may have but the results were so abysmal that they cut it out. Unsteady aero is practically uncharted territory in CFD if strouhal number isn't high enough to cancel the convective term your model will probably suck.
Hey I've seen a lot of interesting videos from you.
As a German with only basic English knowledge i can say:
You are one of the best international artists on CZcams. I love scientific content from a lot of CZcams producers, but you manage to explain that I understand every word without a lot of pictures. Even though it's a foreign language for me. Because of your videos, I first dared to watch English content and now, after years, I no longer shy away from seeing every video in English.
Thank you for the good content and the great pronunciation so that people who speak other languages understand it well.
Hey Guten abend Volker Yes i understand your problem, i have that problem but the other way around! i am an English guy living in Germany, what i use to do is to watch a film on a DVD in German but with the untertitle turned on in German! so i could read and listen!
if i just listen it was always to quick to hear and understand, maybe i got 40% but if i read and listen ! i understand up to 90% or more.
Schönes abend
While it's true that my sample size is pretty small, I've never met a German who doesn't have a good grasp of the English language - and better than they believe they have in almost every case. As a monolingual American I'm always impressed by this. Kudos to your modern culture for bringing into being an education system that creates this result. Love from Texas 🤠👍🇩🇪
@@Jesse__H Bretter than they believe, but not good enough!!! Writing and speaking is so much more difficult than listening and understanding! Without a translator, I have no chance of saying what I want to say.....
I take your text as a compliment, thank you very much.
@@mirage4014 hey Julian.
my Real Name is also Julian! :)
Try hear in German and read the undertitle in English.
If you want to speak in German, you can’t do anything with the letters, you have to hear how it is spoken.
That's just a tip from me.
I wish you every success and all the best.
Schönen Abend noch ;)
That is a very lovely and motivating comment! Have a wonderful day! ☺️
The research institute i worked at had 2 corridors with rooms in between in a building, the clean corridor was slightly positive pressure, the room was neutral, the dirty corridor was negative, this meant air could only go from clean to dirty
(clean and dirty related to diseases)
@@partypoet2012 where'd you get that copypasta?
@@partypoet2012 I used to work with someone like you
I’m happier now
@@partypoet2012 no, he was a religious and conspiratorial nut, who (also) hid behind a Facebook page to publicly harass his former coworkers
@@partypoet2012 and FYI, I still have my job
@@partypoet2012
Supposedly, China isolated the virus when they released the information on its DNA in the early months of last year.
The PCR test can theoretically detect anything with DNA, at the minutest level, I don’t know what other tests are available for detecting a virus but it’s entirely plausible that’s the only available test in many area
PCR is common when reading DNA
Finding a vaccine? The vaccines are all genetically modified. If they can read the DNA using PCR, then they can design an mRNA vaccine, or in Oxford, modify a monkey adenovirus vaccine.
And yeah, running more cycles means more false positives, but at a certain threshold, like containing a new virus that we barely understand and barely know how to treat, it’s better to err on the side of caution. At least in some countries, erring on the side of caution allowed authorities to conduct contact tracing and get the virus under control
"Emmanuel Vanoli has a very particular set of skills... skills that he acquired using today's sponsor, Skillshare!"
And he practices them every day by solving challenges on Brilliant.
"And when he's done learning, he'll play Raid Shadow Legends!"
@@mayabartolabac and once he inevitably deletes that he'll want to get his friends to talk to him again, and for that, he'll need new clothes, which he can get a discount on simply by using Honey!
And if that someday happens for real I probably will immediately get on with it :D
When someone tells you marketing doesn't work, show him this thread
Come to think of it... I've never seen Steve and Liam Neeson pictured together. Are we sure they're two different people?
You make a good point
If they enter the same room they both exit via the two sides
@@partypoet2012 @Mark Smileer I'm sorry, could you please use punctuation in your comment, so that your run-on sentence doesn't read like the ramblings of a madman?
Actually, don't bother. I don't think the world needs to know how 9/11 somehow correlates to Covid-19.
@@autumnhd he has copied and pasted that on EVERY COMMENT.
when working on the design of a hospital many years ago. there is a lot of thought put into which spaces are positively and negatively presurised. it's not as simple as spaces only having extraction. sany sensitive spaces like an operating theatre, ICU etc are positively presurised, so they dont get any nasties into them, things will tend to flow outwards, quarantine wards would be the reverse. the challenge is often getting spaces next to each other that work well like this, you cant have every room negatively pressurised, so it works really well to alternate them. The surprising thing here is having opening windows, you wont see that on many newer hospitals, precisely because it can screw a lot of this up.
Yeah I was wondering about that. The HVAC system would definitely have fans bringing in fresh air and recirculating conditioned air
Yee. This video is definitely not about a quality, modern hospital, built within the last 30 years.
As a game developer who makes a lot of particle systems, I learnt some cool new stuff watching this, so really appreciate the content.
Steve you can really explain complex topics to the common people. Thank you for making every topic interesting.
Thank you!
@@SteveMould are you a physicist by training?
@@ericl8743 I have a degree in physics
@@SteveMould I love your videos. They're always presented brilliantly!
Fluid dynamics is the dark sorcery of engineering.
Thank you for a peek into the grimoire!
Fun fact: The lattice at 8:55 works like pixels in an image or monitor. This allows developers to abuse the existing drawing functions in graphics cards to simulate fluids & gases using the same technology used for Textures in 2D/3D graphics. Each new image you draw is essentially a new time step in the simulation. The colors of the R G B pixels can be (ab-)used to represent 3d coordinates for position or speed
My dad was in a neg-pressure room in hospital which were positioned at the end of hallways. They replaced one window in each room with plywood and a circular vent connection and placed the portable A/C unit's exhaust air hose but used it only in fan mode to pump air outside so that room air would not seep back out into the hallway. It was a cheap and easy fix to protect the staff and limit spread.
"The artist formerly known as particle"
Is that what they call that guy with the peculiar skill set?
His calling sign is just a point to represent the infinitesimal size of atomic and subatomic particles.
Have been watching and liking your channel for years. This is the first time you are touching fields that are surprisingly close to my heart: I did tons of Lattice Boltzmann simulations coupled with Lagrangian Particle Tracking in my PhD thesis, and I now actually work for Dassault System (even though it is in the Electromagnetism department). You did an amazing job explaining these issues, and that is high praise from someone who worked "in the field"...
So... fluid flow is basically like a big game of chess... where it's just Kings... but they can occupy the same square? sometimes.
it's nothing like chess. This is a dreadful analogy
Hikaru be like staring at the ceiling, drawing thirty arrows and then going "Yeah but if I don't open the window then the virus is winning because after takes takes takes takes then I get checked and virus h1 is a clearly winning position... Yeah blunder"
Agadmator be like "And it was in this position that humanity resigned... The virus is simply that good."
sometimes.. most of the times... once in a blue moon it does.
D9n't forget that they all move at the same time...
@@Moinsdeuxcat hahaha this made me spit out my drink
@@Moinsdeuxcat "Beth Harmon, Hikaru Nakamura, and Antonio Radić walk into a hospital ward..." is such a bizarre premise, and nobody asked for such a specific amalgam of chess references, but you somehow made it work
"It's actually really good."
Classic phrase of an expert mimic.
Steve: "and they have a chance to be convected upwards, away from the people around you"
Overhead fan: are you sure that's a good thing?
Depends on which way it's spinning.
"Fallout"
Hahaha man 0:41 exactly what I was thinking when you said "particular set of skills"
And then in a Linus voice: "speaking of particular set of skills, Skillshare!"
skills to pay the bills
Particle-lar set of skills
@@partypoet2012 ok mate
@@partypoet2012 stop posting the same reply to every comment, no one wants to read it
Hi Steve, I just wanted to thank you. I received and still receving a lot of kind messages from your community since this video!
Thank you so much! If someone is interested, we published some papers in Scientic Report & Environment International on this very topic!
Happy new year to you and your community & stay safe
Steve has interest in all fields n thats what makes him my favourite.
The great thing about Steve Mould is the very diverse range of topics he covers and the fact that he somehow manages to explain complex science and engineering in a way that non-specialists can understand. My own field is electronics and I've watched a few of his videos on electronics and they're always spot on.
I love your videos, Steve. Your way of explaining things makes things so incredibly easy to understand to me. Thank you so much for doing this!
5:43 Matt Parker Loves Tau lol
"That will be the final word of the video; You saying that.", he says, stealing the final word.
with a knowing smirk
I worked for a year as a tech for a company that installed special filters for clean rooms. After installation, we would balance the air thus so when entering an air lock between the dirty and clean spaces, the air would pull in and not escape from the dirty spaces. Fascinating physics and fun models
I really enjoyed this little slice of expertise from a field I am unlikely to ever be involved in. But even if I'm never directly involved in modeling airflow through a building, it could very well prove useful to understand how such complex dynamics are simplified into models that can be simulated, and therefore provide utility.
I found it particularly amazing how probability in the fluid simulation represents real world fluid physics so well because it seems to reinforce the notion that comes from quantum physics that everything is at its core based on probability. We are random chance. Crazy to think about.
Well in this case the actual underlying physics are not governed by inherent randomness, just high nonlinearity and complexity. Therefore it is usually easier to just average out some effects, such as in RANS and LBM.
*Steve:* _"How many lives could you save....."_
*My idiot brain for no reason:* _"Twelve."_
"Three, take it or leave it."
@@partypoet2012 Excuse me WHAT?????
I worked using heat introduction into structures for pest control for years and became quite good at determining beforehand what windows to open, which to close, which rooms or areas should have fans placed and in which direction, how to get the fastest and most even proliferation and distribution of the heat really. It was important to reach temperature in a relatively simultaneous time to avoid giving the insect time to leave the areas or hunker down beneath something that provided them higher insulation. It was not an intuitive process and I found it was remarkably difficult to teach. It's one thing to react to the temperature readouts throughout the structure and then, through trial and error, make adjustments to see what works, and another to do so beforehand. This video was an excellent explanation as to why and also what to look (or feel) for. Thank you!
So underrated channel :o still after so many years and wonderful, informative, interesting and funny videos!
Steve, your content just keeps getting better and better.
Thank you!
@@SteveMould Thank you for the effort. Not only does it show in the quality, but it helps me learn effectively, engages me in deeper ways, and makes my brain wrinklier.
That simulation reminded me of the Ph D my old Industrial Placement Tutor was doing in the 80s, but he was trying to control fires in copper mines, to allow some attempt at evacuations. I don't know if he ever completed it. He was using a BBC B to preprocess the matrix work, then loading the data into the mainframe
I did my master thesis using the LBM to model flow through a nasal cavity, after some work the results were also really good. Nice to see the method used and gaining momentum, it is easier to use then standard computational fluid dynamics because the grid is easier to create.
Quite amazing. I hope things like this will get fully integrated into our future way of thinking about crowded spaces.
When I saw the lattice and the particle with the 8 arrows, I immediately thought of Mine Sweeper.
Just a note: the most common CFD applications use the Finite Volume Method for discretization (and I'd say the great majority of simulations aren't even dealing with transient problems). The Lattice Bolzmann Method, though cool and powerful (and currently a little hyped) has quite a few limitations.
At the end of the day CFD is still a decent guess, at best. It is quite useful and, if you use the correctly, can have a huge impact in several areas (assuming proper verification and validation of your models isn't skipped, which I'd say is a problem in most cases you see). And I make a living out of it, so I guess I can talk sh*t about it every now and then.
But like all computer simulations EVER, people tend to think all colorful images are automatically correct, and oh boy they are not.
This might be my fave Steve Mould video... a lot of unexpected angles, intuitive, informative, relevant... just damn crackin' over all.
I just found your channel. Really enjoying it. I appreciate the way that you don't talk down your audience like some of the more saucy channels out there. One thing I notice that other channels do to help keep attention that you don't do id to keep changing the set throughout the video. Your background gets boring to look at after a while. Just filming in other rooms or your garden would help I think. Just my two cents
Steve, thanks for making fascinating content that I can use to engage my 8-year-old son in the sciences. Thanks for being a science communicator.
The Lattice Boltzmann Method bares some striking resemblance to quantum field theory.
I was thinking the exact same thing!
You mean how it's exactly the same? Yeah I noticed that too.
Well, Boltzmanns work was foundational to a lot of modern physics
I'm so glad I discovered this channel! I have a little brother and i'm using you to wake up his curiosity. Guess what - It's actually working! Thank you so much! Greetings from Madrid.
I love the simplicity in mathmatics and engineering you showed here. On highschool i found out that most problems are solved with basic principles, be it simple static forces in a rope or an approximation with that lattice model (8:25). I really like your goal of understanding the concept and you explained everything quick and simple. Along with that reallife story a beatiful video :)
Steve mate, isn't it Das- oh as in Ren-oh? Delt a lot with Das-oh Falcon 20s in me time. Great vid.
Thought it was too!
I came looking for this exact comment.
Yes you're right!
Est-ce que tu peux parler français ? J'ai vu que tu as travaillé avec cet entreprise
Yep, "daso" / "das-oh" / "da-sow", etc.. Definitely not "deh-salt".
This is amazing! There’s just something about the physics of flow, whether it’s in the form of heat, liquids or gases etc. that’s just so satisfying. Is this reason enough to finally decide what region of physics I wish to pursue as a career? I think so
I did something similar to simulate heat dynamics in my undergraduate tesis, skipping the need to use the actual heat equation. This video makes me wanting to revise it and see what else I can do with it.
Fantastic work - I remember seeing an RI talk about Ventilation & it seems like a fascinating topic!
The man's a genius.
He got a hospital to pay him for the expert advice of "Open the window"
the true question was to open the right ones. Are you sure you watched the video? :)
Your both correct guys
@@cockatieltime2259 Well, they are both right, but only one was funny...
Before covid outbreak: How to put spoilers on my car.
During covid outbreak: How to put spoilers on my mask.
Not my area of interest but you never fail to get me involved through that crack in the door. Really good video Steve
You had my like instantly when the impression started 😆 You're great
I'm jealous, your Liam is spotless, I was really Taken by it.
How robust is the solution though? If someone has a fever, or turns an extra computer on, will it break everything?
the particular behavior of the particular particle is going to be different everytime in every single simulation.
However, there are hundreds of thousands of particles and thus altogether they will exhibit the average behavior which is quite certain, one can even derive timing distribution to predict how likely those particles will hit certain location and when.
I do expect they've varied the parameters, such as the number of patients, heat sources, etc. in order to find general trends
This kind of modeling has very little to do with things that actually happen in the real world.
@IUIUI You're talking about uncertainty from repeating exactly the simulation but with different stochastic factors.
I'm talking about the stability of the solution when changing the operating settings. In my experience that's the difficult thing to get from a numeric simulation, and it isn't addressed at all in the video. I hope that they did what @EcceJack suggested, but there's no sign that they did so.
Those factors wouldnt change pressure at room scale so the pressure differentials would still work. Here the modelling is used for visualisation imho the same thing could have been done writing out the pressures. Having the computer visualisation probably allows faster visualisation and helped the engineers see what factors are important, what assumptions to make. This is probably accompanied by rough calculations on the back of an envelope. The computer models are easier to communicate and seem more convincing.
Great info! And as an FYI from a licensed building engineer, in the US, code bodies such as the International Mechanical Code set requirements for hospital HVAC design, such as pressurized buildings, all air returned from rooms in ducts, and patient rooms specifically being positively or negatively pressurized, amung many many other requirements.
I dont know why I'm here and I have no idea what your talking about but, I'm completely invested in this video.
Particle McParticle Face, yes of course one of my favourite airborne particles 👍
This type of air management becomes far more critical when viral load is factored into the equation. Managing airflow in a pandemic saves lives by reducing new infectios but more so in the severely infected by reducing viral load. Putting sick people together just increases deaths. No govts consider these dynamics & few humans think this deep so thanks for surfacing this content.
Steve, you never disappoint, this amazing content!
15:19
can't get used to your sudden endings )
great animations, thanks
Very Cool! And a good description of how to make a simulation... must have taken hours of compute time to create those animations... This is such a complex thing to model, because you have so many confounders such as people moving in and around the building, they will open doors/windows at various times, outdoor weather patterns, maybe barometric pressure and temperature changing atmospheric density... all those things perturbing the air flow, but don't get me wrong... it's really good work, just super hard to nail down the real-world! and finally what if Air flow is not the only vector this virus spreads? The simulation can only account for what we assume are the relevant facts.
I used to work with a team that made a radiation modeling program and in training they talked about figuring out which details were relevant to what you're modeling. They joked that if they added a helix shape to the geometry library users would insist on putting the threads on the screws.
@@adamsbja LOL, Yep that sounds eerily similar... there's always one of those "users" in every crowd... mostly I see that kind of stuff coming from the marketing department, and so I'm working in the engineering team and we see the shifting project requirements: the dreaded feature creep!!! I'd say to the team: Buckle up guys... the ride's going to get a bit bumpy!
@@partypoet2012 A couple of things:
1) the point my instructors were making was that the screws were provably irrelevant but people would insist on every detail just in case.
2) use of past tense does not necessarily mean recent past. "It only took 20 years" is wrong. I'm old.
The Liam Neeson impression was sick!
How fascinating - I may be an engineer in a different field but I still very much appreciate the expertise on show here.
While we have some difficulties with our medical system, this video makes me appreciate the standard for hospitals in the US. Successful management of positive/negative/differential pressure zones is tied directly to hospital accreditation (i.e. TJC). All hospitals here have some combination of detailed plans around positive/negative pressure, visual indicators between zones, digital sensors to enforce positive/negative pressure, etc. etc. Hospitals built here in at least the past few decades have been engineered with this in mind, and older ones have been retrofitted into compliance.
What can we say about that Liam Neeson impression?
Do you have any validation studies for this work? What factors were considered, and which models were used for the viral particles? Were they just a simple scalar? Was the effect of outside wind/pressure variations considered?
Was any of this validated against experiment? How do you know that you haven't fallen into the usual CFD trap of garbage in, garbage out (and also colourful pictures to wave at the uninformed out)?
Wouldn't "closing the wrong window" mean it should have been open?
Yes.
It's important to open the right windows, but also to keep them open ;)
Steve kept his word with Emmanuel. Those comments at the end, were indeed, the last words in the video. ;)
As usual, both fascinating and informative... and applying science and models to real life.
Fantastic video. I have a PhD in Physics and am very impressed by your work, thanks a lot!
I've found the last part with the convection through your body heat very interesting. Is there less convection in the winter, when we are thermally isolated (clothing) then in the summer? Or is the difference in temperature high enough? And could it provide to the higher spreading of the common cold during winter times?
How cold would your clothes be? The rate of convection depends, among many many many other things, the difference in temperature as you said. So if the clothes are similar temperature to the air then convection would be lower. And if it's a warm day (like 30°C) and you have light clothing on, then the difference is very low too and convection would be low.
Except, most hospitals that I have ever been to have a very slight negative pressure in all of the rooms, only the hallways and entries provide the air for the hospital....which is bio filtered.
Hospitals that are both newer and have a big enough budget will do that. An older building, or an underfunded hospital can't afford to update the systems, or even keep them properly running all over.
I just realised why youtubers put their face on the thumbnail, as I've avoided this video for two weeks thinking it was something clickbaity or boring, until I realised it was from this channel and then realised it would be interesting and clicked immediately.
Hi Steve! Always nice to see a fresh one
What would be immensely useful would be a system, from Dassault Systems, which allows people to roughly model their own building's (layout, people positions, and windows) with primitive shapes and locally run a simulation (on a gaming pc GPU) of how covid could spread and how it could be limited.
The trouble is how large an effect small inaccuracies can have. Even the CFD built into CAD packages for non-CFD specialist engineers can lead to suspect results, whether from limitations of the simplified software, or the engineer making the wrong assumptions. At an even lower level of fidelity, you're better off just following rules of thumb and general guidelines that have been published for decades. That said, an average gaming PC these days can easily run modestly-sized CFD sims.
doesn't solidworks allow for fluid simulation ?
@@shigekax Yes, but as C N above mentioned; it would be a case of garbage in garbage out if everyone started running studies. Simulation methods have huge caveats the users must be aware of.
@@csn583 the wrong assumptions that most people would make are the things that I would hope would be pre-set in the software solution. So all the user has to input is a rough floor plan of the building including the location of people, and out spits info of which windows to open/keep closed and where people should not sit to reduce the spread of the virus.
I.e. If the breath of people in a corridor are shown to travel around the intire building they should not sit there.
This is the sort of things that aren't laid out in guidelines, but could have a huge accumulative impact.
@@dfgaJK part of the risk is that if the software produces inaccurate results in some cases, people may change their behaviour due to these results and actually end up worse off
The hospitals have positive pressure systems to control air flow.
positive pressure and negative pressure basically each wing? or area can be controlled independently
outside > Low
hospitals > high
Covid 19 rooms/wing >low
this way the Covid can't escape to rest of the hospital since the air pressure is greater then the Covid 19 rooms, but the hospital since it has high pressure keeps germs and dust outside of the hospital
a whole book on that ashrae.iwrapper.com/ASHRAE_PREVIEW_ONLY_STANDARDS/STD_52.2_2017
ASHRAE
The American Society of Heating, Refrigerating and Air-Conditioning Engineers is an American professional association seeking to advance heating, ventilation, air conditioning and refrigeration systems design and construction.
in America they kind of do all the building and there ones that put standards and rules on buildings and such
like low rise buildings homes.lbl.gov/ventilate-right/ashrae-standard-622
hospitals will usually have UV lights and high Merv rating filter depending location
www.lakeair.com/merv-rating-explanation/
big building are not like a house, they usually have a few hvac systems throughout the building
@@knightwolf3511 HVAC's were assumed as a problem for some meat processing plants in Germany.
This is absolutely FASCINATING
I love heat transfer and boundaries plus fluid mechanics :) You done very well as it is not simple to explain what you have explain.
The artist formally known as particle 😂
That’s some serious Testing Adjusting and Balancing. Did he consult with T.A.B.B. to figure out all of the airflow specifics?
Mould i love everything related to science you do. Thanks
I did particle simulation in the 1970s for electron plasma flow for CTR. It used 1.5D 2D and 3D modeling.
5:41 Fenton!!!!
01:00
Thanks for this one, Steve!
Lord it reminds me of statistical mechanics lectures when I was a chemistry under grad in Manchester in the 70s. We used to keep a score of how many blakcboards this guy filled in a lecture. the record was, I think, 11, closely packed with partial differential equations. And that was just ideal gases in closed containers. All to derive the gas equations. We did a bit on diffusion, which is toward the topic of this talk, which gave a feel for the subject and hinted at the complexity of making more simple models that adequately reflect reality.
PS it might have been Dr Bullock (He pronounced it Boo 'lock)
Even though this was paid by the company, it really inspired me. Thanks to you both!
« Coronavirus » & « fake virus » in the same video. Finally someone is intelligent there...
The Liam Neeson impression was epic🤣
I very similar fluid dynamics model is usually taught to physics uni students which I personally prefer because it is more closely related to the stuff you would learn in uni. The idea is you split the world in a grid of cubes of fluid. You simply need to solve numerically the basic thermodynamics and motion differential equations at each step for each cube and then also do the mixing between the cubes based on their motion and diffusion. It is an easier model to understand for someone who has some physics background although it is effectively equivalent to what you described, but with the added thermodynamics and diffusion per lattice point (which is important because otherwise you will need a lot denser lattice to achieve the same accuracy since you will be simulating those effects through the statistics of many lattice points).
There are also models where you simmulate every particle separately and you do all the collisions math but those are rarely used due to their worse performance. They are only useful for very small scale simulations where treating lattice points as homogeneous is inaccurate.
What an incredible thumbnail. I have never been more intrigued by a video thumbnail
Fenton!
When you are early you Don't know what to write...; )
Interesting video :) kind of relieving as well as I had to spend a few hours at a hospital in a covid hotspot yesterday. Busy but well managed, and well organised re. Covid precautions.
My whole life is waiting for the next Steve Mould video x