Amp Rides Razorback - Fastest Folding eBike

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  • čas přidán 25. 07. 2024
  • For more information and to reserve a Razorback from Amp Rides please follow the links below.
    ampridesusa.com/product/razor... Hydrographic
    ampridesusa.com/product/razor... Hydrographic Elite
    ampridesusa.com/product/razor... Paint colors
    ampridesusa.com/product/razor... Paint colors Elite
    The Razorback is a folding fat tire ebike powered by a Bafang Ultra Max 1000watt Mid Drive Motor. Additional Features include: 20x4 fat tires, 4 Piston Hydraulic Brakes, dual suspension, color display, a staggering 35ah of Battery Capacity, and rear rack and fenders are included.
    The Razorback carried me to the fastest top speed i have ever tested on an ebike. If you are looking for a smooth and powerful ebike the Razorback does not disappoint! Check out additional ebike offerings from Amp Rides at www.ampridesusa.com
    Special thanks to Amp Rides for providing access to the Razorback for review.
    Ride Safe!
    ~Citizen
    Timecodes:
    0:00 - Intro
    1:11 - Pricing & Packages
    1:44 - Tires & Brakes
    2:12 - Batteries
    2:37 - Mid Drive Motor/Gearing/Shifting
    5:08 - Seat, Suspension, Paint
    5:37 - Display & Controls
    5:58 - Seat Height/Weight
    7:24 - Top Speed Runs
    10:03 - Throttle Only Speed
    10:54 - Ride Positioning
    11:45 - Torque Mgmt
    12:19 - Torqes Sensor/Power Delivery
    13:53 - Hill Climbs
    16:26 - Papa Citizen Riding
    18:53 - Final Thoughts/What to know

Komentáře • 135

  • @ampridesusa
    @ampridesusa Před rokem +15

    Thanks for taking the time to review the Razorback! Thorough lesson in middrive riding provided by Citizen Cycle.

    • @jimmyjames8736
      @jimmyjames8736 Před rokem +2

      Yeah Citizen really does top flight reviews. They are always thoughtful and well reasoned. I highly recommend continuing to include him in your product introductions. High performance bikes like yours deserve a high performance tester. 😎 His range tests are the best...and the most brutal lol. It would be fun watching him try to run down this 35 amp hour bike. Maybe next time you can let him hang on to the bike and really put it through the wringer.

    • @a.a.alexander6030
      @a.a.alexander6030 Před rokem +1

      I agree with Jimmy James below. Well reasoned and thoughtful review as are all of them on this channel. I'm your demographic big-time and the real-world usability, rideability and range of testing showed me the sense in your bike rather than like on some channels where they spend ages going through display settings boring us to death, grinding through the spec sheet with the final nail to the coffin being filming themselves pedal.. I noticed this video quite by chance but so glad i watched it. Awesome product guys.

    • @kevinnashskitchen3517
      @kevinnashskitchen3517 Před rokem

      Where is my Razorback? Gimmy Gimmy

    • @ampridesusa
      @ampridesusa Před rokem +1

      @@kevinnashskitchen3517 Those were a 2022 limited run bike.

    • @kevinnashskitchen3517
      @kevinnashskitchen3517 Před rokem

      @@ampridesusa 😳 oh.. Ok lol thanks.👍

  • @a.a.alexander6030
    @a.a.alexander6030 Před rokem +1

    Saw this video by sheer chance and glad I watched it. I've been on your channel before. Like your down to earth way of presenting. It's great that you give us your impressions of what its like to use the bike as well as the array of real-world tests and the fact the camera faces forward rather than filming the tarmac or pedals. Great bike, very well specced. The usability and rideability look great and the range should be equally impressive. Wonder what made them build it, but Im glad they did. Great review!

  • @oldpelon
    @oldpelon Před rokem +1

    Nice review on the razorback

  • @elevenAD
    @elevenAD Před rokem +1

    love it! This is the folder for me!

  • @ec.marquez
    @ec.marquez Před rokem +3

    wow oh wow ! that is awesome and super fast ! need to write to Santa soon !! ha

  • @tdog1461
    @tdog1461 Před rokem

    Another awesome video. I love watching them you get me so hype! Keep it up! I ride my motorcycle and Ebike daily to the gym and work I love the wind in my face.

  • @joep4235
    @joep4235 Před rokem +2

    This bike looks JUST like my Aventon Sinch!!!! I wish the Sinch could hit those speeds though 😀

  • @wctyre49
    @wctyre49 Před rokem

    I like the options on the citizen cycle , front , rear or both.

  • @SMG-lz1zq
    @SMG-lz1zq Před rokem +1

    I like it! What power, what speed! Nice!

    • @CitizenCycle925
      @CitizenCycle925  Před rokem

      Unique and powerful, was fun to test. first Bafang ultra motor i have been on, and fastest i have ever gone on an ebike.

  • @elevenAD
    @elevenAD Před rokem +2

    This price is just fine imo, nice bike.

  • @wctyre49
    @wctyre49 Před rokem

    Enjoyed the video,I kinda like the hub drives,but there's a lot of options out there.

    • @CitizenCycle925
      @CitizenCycle925  Před rokem

      yes, getting to be something for everyone now, many options!

  • @buffalomind6838
    @buffalomind6838 Před rokem +1

    The Razorback is a great looking ebike as does really all Amp Rides bikes look good.
    Somebody looking for a foldable ebike that has an integrated Bafang Ultra along with space cause of the rack to have an extra 21amps outside of the way is another good aspect to this bike. I would advise anyone to test out a mid drive w/torque sensing before buying as that can be a deal breaker. Having to be in the correct gear may be too much of a mental effort, and having to push hard in order for the bike to respond, so you get “decent” speed is not the most leisurely thing for most than again it is in its own category of rider. Good looking bike with what I am led to believe has great power cause of its mid drive system.

  • @catspaw3815
    @catspaw3815 Před rokem +1

    Great bike for the right person. Thank you Citizen! (said in Robocop voice 😁)

  • @michaelmatthews4096
    @michaelmatthews4096 Před rokem

    Great bike,I ride the emmo mini pro with the 21amp hr battery 48v

  • @davepacer5593
    @davepacer5593 Před rokem +1

    Too incredible to be real too real to be a dream

  • @cherrysap8619
    @cherrysap8619 Před rokem +4

    Dude, I love your channel. I love the enthusiasm and excitement you bring to your videos. I guess watching you ride all these e bikes makes it so I don't have to buy a lot of them. As far as mid drive vs hub drive, I think it all comes down to application. Loved my hub drive to cruise around and ride casually, and love my mid drive to climb hills all day long. So that just means that you need at least two bikes to have out all, but I would be ok with 4 or 5, but the wallet says other wise

    • @CitizenCycle925
      @CitizenCycle925  Před rokem +1

      Glad you are enjoying the content! its easy being enthusiastic when you get to test new toys all the time!!

    • @jimmyjames8736
      @jimmyjames8736 Před rokem +1

      It sounds like you just need a little help with your justifications 🙂 Ebikes are easy to take care of...Ebikes aren't that expensive...Ebikes can last a long time...Friends and family can ride them sometimes...etcetera. Pretty soon you will be able to convince yourself that you need 3 bikes.

    • @a.a.alexander6030
      @a.a.alexander6030 Před rokem

      HI Cherrysap! I agree with you 100%. This guy is enthusiastic, down to earth and sincere and his reviews just make sense.

    • @manFromPeterborough
      @manFromPeterborough Před rokem

      @@jimmyjames8736 Can't always put all trust in one (in case it breaks) my first FB has a crack on folding hinge and a Kristal Y20 popped up on FB marketplace

    • @mdp9810
      @mdp9810 Před 7 dny +1

      @@CitizenCycle925 I purchased one of these amp ride bikes a few years ago and I messed with the settings and hit factory reset on display settings and now it only pushes 23 mph and I try to get into the advanced settings and I can’t get into them without an admin password. Do you know the password by chance previously the bike push 36 mph

  • @kevinnashskitchen3517

    Beastly folder! Nice gearing on this pig. 😁

  • @ashpunting
    @ashpunting Před rokem +4

    Yes I own to mid-drive bikes a 1000w bafang mid-drive and a 750w bafang mid-drive because I love these motors once you ride a mid-drive your hooked but I do own a 750w zooz bike as well because the 750w Zooz has the most torque out of all three of the Zooz's

    • @buffalomind6838
      @buffalomind6838 Před rokem

      What is the difference between the mid drive 1000watt & 750 compared to the Zooz 750watt hub drive in general as well as specifically going up hills?

    • @CoryZuspan
      @CoryZuspan Před rokem

      @@buffalomind6838 Not OP. But I have a 21% grade hill that runs 900' and have access to both a bafang ultra middrive bike 1000/1500w peak (Biktix Juggernaut Ultra Duo) and a Mxus 750/1000w hub bike (Ride1up lmtd).
      There is no comparison. Not to be hyperbolic but it's not far from comparing a fawn to a stallion in terms of endurance or a .22 rifle to a .50 in terms of power.
      Specific numbers, I am ~280lbs and was able to take the hill in 2nd gear at ~12mph without pedaling, my father is ~180lbs and took the same hill at the same time after riding the same distance at ~4mph with full assist and barely made it. At the top I could have stopped for afternoon tea, and he almost needed an ambulance. The difference between hub and middrive is not inconsequential.
      As a note, we did switch and repeated the test for good scientific rigor. The results were even more disappointing when I drove the hub drive.

    • @ashpunting
      @ashpunting Před rokem

      @@buffalomind6838 mid-drives are made for hill climbing they have loads of torque while still having the speed mixed with using the gears but the zooz 750 has got plenty of torque for a hub motor ✔️👍🏾

  • @guelopr
    @guelopr Před rokem +3

    That is my favorite ev bike brand

  • @boostercontrol100
    @boostercontrol100 Před rokem

    Nice!! it be cool if there was an option to combine the power of the batteries for 96volts!!

  • @ericechipman1183
    @ericechipman1183 Před rokem +2

    Another good review, nice looking bike, never have been a fan of the torque sensor though.

    • @Altema22
      @Altema22 Před rokem +2

      I'm with you on that. Not all cadence sensors are on/off switches. On mine it's dynamic cadence sensing, and you can fine tune it. I recently did a group ride in Maryland with VERY steep hills, and the one guy with torque sensing was exhausted because he had to put in significant effort to keep up ALL the time. Cadence sensing PAS just worked better in this and many other group rides I've done around the country.

    • @ericechipman1183
      @ericechipman1183 Před rokem

      @@Altema22 I totally agree I used to have a mid Drive, and I did not care for it I felt like I had to drop gears to climb Hills, and I felt like I had to Pedal more. I was awfully take a hub drive any day over a mid Drive. And the same with a Cadence Sensor, my wife has a Hub Drive torque sensor, and when I ride her bike I feel a big difference. I don't want to work harder with a torque sensor to go up a hill.

    • @buffalomind6838
      @buffalomind6838 Před rokem

      I understand the thought of needing to put great effort into pedaling even in a straight line let alone up hill seems to be opposite in why one would get an ebike in the first place. A hub motor handles on an ebike handles amazingly as far as I’ve experienced, so making it a necessity to change gears for each level of pedal, is a deterrent for me, but if there were a switch in order to use cadence, or simply being in any gear and work like a hub without snapping a chain/ruining the entire drive system is a hurdle to a thinking man.

    • @CoryZuspan
      @CoryZuspan Před rokem +1

      @@Altema22 Sounds like the guy with the torque sensor didn't know that you can turn assistance level up. Having ridden both torque and cadence, in my opinion torque offers more options. You can set the assistance with a bafang middrive between 0-5 by default, and at 5, it's almost a moped and you barely need to put in effort, at 0 it's literally a very heavy, slow, terrible bicycle.

  • @Campfussell
    @Campfussell Před rokem

    I would need to ride a mid drive for at least a week, just to to see if I really wanted to switch from hub drive. Not into shifting.

  • @fasteddie9877
    @fasteddie9877 Před rokem +5

    Too Funny, I just emailed you asking about your thoughts on a torque sensor I guess I should have waited a day. Cool bike but I wonder how many people that purchase this bike actually use the folding advantage, I think it would be so much better looking without the folding part in the middle. It’s 95 lbs are you really folding it up and putting it you hatchback.

    • @tommcgill1671
      @tommcgill1671 Před rokem +3

      YES to folding, remove both batteries and it'll fit in your front seat. I did not see on the website, the weight of the batts. 15 -17lbs, I'm guessing?? Always buckle up!

  • @kdscrapping4452
    @kdscrapping4452 Před rokem

    My preview video is up on the Road warrior X 2 by Fabulous!!

  • @scottmcshannon6821
    @scottmcshannon6821 Před rokem

    i really like this folder, all except the weight. 94 pounds!! my current bike is 84 pounds and im really looking for a nice folder that weighs less. noticeably less. it looks nice with the options but it wont fold worth a shit with the bmx handlebars so what would be the point?

  • @mickster1780
    @mickster1780 Před rokem +2

    P&P - powerful and pricey!

  • @HackHunter1835
    @HackHunter1835 Před rokem

    @9:09 I thought you were dead. That car had you pegged, glad they didnt pull out in front of you. I want that bike.

  • @Altema22
    @Altema22 Před rokem +3

    Excellent and enthusiastic review this time! This bike checks a lot of boxes for me, and I don't think I'd need to mod it. I noticed that you didn't do your timed hill climb and 0 to 20 tests. Was that omission intentional, or will those tests come later? Acceleration times are important for me because I frequently have to merge with moving traffic. I'm also looking forward to a range test 😉. I was invited to a group ride with gas mopeds next month, and the requirements for mopeds and e-bikes is they must be able to maintain at least 30mph for 60 miles, but I'm thinking the Razerback might qualify out of the box. Our previous gas/electric ride was 30mph+ for 30 miles, and my own bike had 48% battery left, but I was hooning a bit, lol.

    • @ActivityPhoto
      @ActivityPhoto Před rokem +3

      Good luck finding an ebike that can meet those speeds and distance.

    • @Altema22
      @Altema22 Před rokem

      @@ActivityPhoto Agree with that. 98% of the e-bikes out there can't, and the Onyx and Sur Ron are technically a moped and a dirt bike.

    • @CitizenCycle925
      @CitizenCycle925  Před rokem

      I didnt time the hill climb because it would have varied depending on what gear i was in. I usually time it with the hub drives just to show how much power the motor has to shove you up a hill. with the mid drive motor hill climb power is not a worry. Didnt do a 0 to 20 because i find mid drives arent great for acceleration, you have to build thru the gears so it takes time to get up to speed, any 750w hub would probably out accelerate this bike but the Razorback would dominate at top end speed.

    • @kevinnashskitchen3517
      @kevinnashskitchen3517 Před rokem

      Get a Kepler for $1,799 and put a 30 ah battery on the rear rack. You'll go 60 miles at over 30 mph.😂👍 I can. Or put 2 of the 20ah batteries on the rack.. They fit easily. 60ah total with a battery blender set up for triple batteries. 😎

  • @stewy4158
    @stewy4158 Před rokem

    I'm 5'7" it mite be to big for me lol. Nice bike, great review . I like to pedal a bike.

    • @CitizenCycle925
      @CitizenCycle925  Před rokem +1

      just depends how confident you are on a tall bike, you could remove the suspension post too.

  • @kdscrapping4452
    @kdscrapping4452 Před rokem

    What speed app is that on your phone??

  • @kevinnashskitchen3517

    Still no Razorback for sale yet I think. I would get one today if I could.

  • @WesternIronwoks
    @WesternIronwoks Před rokem

    so do you trust the sat on your phone or the sensor. well i have learned there is a difference between different apps on your phone. I have seen 10% differences in apps,its disappointing

  • @ferguson8143
    @ferguson8143 Před rokem +1

    A wider bar would give you more control compared to a shorter bar

  • @robcoastalga8279
    @robcoastalga8279 Před rokem

    Mid drive is most people's second or 3rd ebike. first ebike.. geared hub fs 26x4 21ah. running at 1800ish watts. I believe I've shown myself I deserve the bike I want... in 9 months I'm at almost 1300 miles.
    it'll be a FS (air forks and mono) atleast 1000Wh capacity. Mid drive only if torque sensor equipped... and only if it's the Bafang Ultra Max

  • @buffalomind6838
    @buffalomind6838 Před rokem +2

    CitizenCycle, Could you put the Razorback to more tests on hills including this one with a tower possibly? It would be awesome to see how much strength & ease this mid drive can operate in.

    • @CitizenCycle925
      @CitizenCycle925  Před rokem

      unfortunately i only had the bike for a short time. so no more testing :(

    • @jimmyjames8736
      @jimmyjames8736 Před rokem

      I live in a hilly section of the Ozarks and added a 1000 watt Bafang to an old Trek. It can climb road hills at 20mph. In low gears off road it will climb anything it can get enough traction for but its tires are only 2.1 inches wide. The 20x4 tires on this Amp would hook up better. The limiting factor for me on hill climbing speed is how quickly I want to use up my 17ah battery. I would love to have 35ah like this beast.

    • @buffalomind6838
      @buffalomind6838 Před rokem

      @Have-EBike-NoCar Are there stronger drive trains made specifically for a mid drive Bafang mid drive etc in particular as the others are weaker/lower in NM, so it isn’t as in important as imagine pedaling under your own power going up steep hills with all that weight/stress on the entire drive train many times during each ride maybe even all throughout each ride?! 😬

    • @buffalomind6838
      @buffalomind6838 Před rokem

      @@jimmyjames8736 is that with you pedaling too, or all by itself going up steep hills 20mph? Also what is your ratios? Could you go up even faster if you had better leverage in the back & or front gears? Thanks for a reply.

    • @buffalomind6838
      @buffalomind6838 Před rokem

      @@jimmyjames8736 I feel you on wanting more amps, but then again it adds more weight to the bike which the motor has to push/you have to carry when necessary. I wish higher Volts for ebike batteries were a thing like 240 Volts & then one can have the smallest of amps multiplied by the Volts given one amazing range of 100’s of miles riding at top speed.🙂

  • @Africa535
    @Africa535 Před rokem

    What happened to this bike? Is it not available?

  • @anthonyellis9804
    @anthonyellis9804 Před rokem

    What ebike less than 55 pounds folding would come closest to this ebike?

  • @marvinmiller724
    @marvinmiller724 Před rokem

    Can U make it faster if it was Ur's

  • @CrazyTruckinS10
    @CrazyTruckinS10 Před rokem +4

    I'm 6'6" tall. I'd be wondering if it fits me. 35ah is phenomenal

    • @ampridesusa
      @ampridesusa Před rokem +2

      Yes, no problem. We have tall riders using this bike.

    • @ferguson8143
      @ferguson8143 Před rokem +1

      Of course he could but not comfortably as you need you a 26in to 29in bike

    • @ferguson8143
      @ferguson8143 Před rokem

      @@NelsonKNelson right on

    • @rabfallon4507
      @rabfallon4507 Před rokem

      @@NelsonKNelson are you talking about a Sinch ?

    • @drzzit9666
      @drzzit9666 Před rokem +2

      I'm 5'4" and I could ride this bike, feet wouldn't touch the ground from the seat, just get off the seat when I stop. 😀

  • @kevinnashskitchen3517

    That bike is for the fitness conscious people that like to take the folder to rides meeting up with people transporting it to a location without bike racks.. No chain guard at the front sprocket?

  • @jimmyjames8736
    @jimmyjames8736 Před rokem +1

    This was a really great review Citizen. That bike at $3300 seems like a bargain when you consider all the equipment. Even with a 1000 watt mid drive and fat tires the 1680 watt hour battery should provide a whole lot of range. Tektro Dorados too. The Amp Rides bikes are looking really good. I don't care if a bike like that is heavy. It has enough power and range to be worth the extra weight.

  • @jpmyles1560
    @jpmyles1560 Před rokem

    Very nice looking. Think I like the hub.. that has no chain gard. Can mess up my clothes ..

  • @powchainsamaniego6744

    it's worth like 2,000$ to me i mean 1,000-watt motor not enough high speed like 50pmh and two battery is nice but cool little bike

  • @kevinnashskitchen3517

    That motor must weigh a ton.. Not sure where all that weight is coming from.. Extra battery is 10-12 lbs maybe.. But my Ariel Rider Kepler dwarfs that bike frame and tires..26x4, plus a much larger rack and 1000 watt motor. So at 74 lbs plus an extra 52V 20 amp battery my Kepler is still under 90 lbs. 🤔

  • @kevinnashskitchen3517

    This must be a one or 2 off prototype .. I don't think there were enough chains in stock to have more than 2

  • @goldbearbunny4787
    @goldbearbunny4787 Před rokem +2

    It's a hard choice I love my Adrenalized echo fabulous ebike hub drive and a peddle up to 97 km in a day. Very rarely use the throttle. But these mid drives I am not sure 😕 🤔

  • @szolanek
    @szolanek Před 2 měsíci

    Great bike...for great neighborhood.
    Why is nobody out there? They probably know, you are testing a speedbike.

  • @snip_king428
    @snip_king428 Před rokem +1

    Mid drive is the boss of the hills!!!
    Btw, no big deal, just carry a extra chain, lol
    Wow. 40 MPH, they gonna make you get license plates, lol 😆 😂

    • @CitizenCycle925
      @CitizenCycle925  Před rokem

      fastest i have ever been on an ebike :)

    • @snip_king428
      @snip_king428 Před rokem

      @@CitizenCycle925
      53 tooth in front, 11 (or smaller) in rear will do it!!!

    • @brucevous1
      @brucevous1 Před rokem

      @@CitizenCycle925 so that one is even faster than your dual ebike ??

    • @CitizenCycle925
      @CitizenCycle925  Před rokem

      @@brucevous1 couple mile an hour faster but doesn't get there nearly as quickly as mine does

    • @brucevous1
      @brucevous1 Před rokem

      @@CitizenCycle925 you should race the both of them 👍

  • @ActivityPhoto
    @ActivityPhoto Před rokem

    1/7/2023 this bike is not available of their web site at this time.

  • @jpmyles1560
    @jpmyles1560 Před rokem

    Wow .. nice!! But $3500…. I got up to 33 mph throttle only. Freesky sport 750 $1299 on sale. Regular $1599. Still less than half the price..

  • @ptpcolodin5921
    @ptpcolodin5921 Před rokem

    Huge observation: you rode & talked, gestured with your hands, rode standing very naturally on that bike. Like you were made for each other. That bike might just be The Cycle to your Citizen. Your dad looked very cool on that bike too.

  • @lodwill5116
    @lodwill5116 Před rokem

    Wildeway 32ah 750 watt 48 amp folding.$1299 if they give you $100 dollar code. I could buy two and glue them together. 😮lol

  • @Zathrian451
    @Zathrian451 Před rokem

    the handle bars are not wide enough... would be very unstable regardless of the speed

    • @ampridesusa
      @ampridesusa Před rokem +1

      Customers asked us to offer it in this style handle bar and the wider BMX Elite style so we have both, per customer's specs desired.

    • @CitizenCycle925
      @CitizenCycle925  Před rokem

      sorry i didn't take the measurement of width but they felt fine, even at close to 40 mph! :) the BMX bar option might be better though

  • @badimpulses17
    @badimpulses17 Před rokem

    Onyx City 2 is a better buy, 45 mph with out pedaling.

  • @kevinnashskitchen3517

    I'm not sure what is going to be available for 2023.. Looks like 1 folding and one budget model.

  • @scottleone9892
    @scottleone9892 Před rokem

    I just don’t understand why a 90 lb bike needs to fold. Looks nice otherwise! I have a bike with a Bafang Ultra and it’s a great motor.

    • @ampridesusa
      @ampridesusa Před rokem +1

      The customers asked for it to fold so we built it the way they voted for. We don't buy ebikes so it is not up to us the styles that customers vote for.

  • @danstenis660
    @danstenis660 Před rokem

    Cons: No belt, external gears, one size fits all, LG cells (fire).

    • @ampridesusa
      @ampridesusa Před rokem +2

      We have not had a belt and internal gear set survive the 160nm motor, do you know of one we are missing? We have shredded everything we have tested. Most are rated for 80nm that are respectable and worth adding as a component. Probably in a couple years there will be more advances in that area and we can source it.

    • @danstenis660
      @danstenis660 Před rokem

      @@ampridesusa Is it possible to regulate the torque so that it is gradually applied to the gear hub and the belt? And based on the gear that is on, there will be a limit to the amount of torque to prevent damaging the gear hub or the belt.

    • @ampridesusa
      @ampridesusa Před rokem

      @@danstenis660 in the lower pas settings but eventually you have to unleash it and then it tears it apart.

  • @ferguson8143
    @ferguson8143 Před rokem +1

    No your good you don't have to shift gears to get your top end and if you start off in 8 you will take off slower then if you was in 1st gear

    • @ampridesusa
      @ampridesusa Před rokem +6

      If you start off in 8 you will snap the chain every time with this motor and gear setup like the west coast reviewers did.

    • @ferguson8143
      @ferguson8143 Před rokem +1

      @@ampridesusa no you won't and you will fuck your derailleur up before you snap a chain

  • @jpmyles1560
    @jpmyles1560 Před rokem

    I would pay $3500 for your bike that you build with the 2 hub motors

  • @mikemorgan8588
    @mikemorgan8588 Před rokem

    Count me out on the messing with shifting. Hub drives can deliver just as much torque and speed without the stress. And there is always 2 wheel drive.!

    • @CoryZuspan
      @CoryZuspan Před rokem +1

      This is just wrong. It's misinformation. No hub drive hits 160NM torque or even close.
      I have access to a 750/1000w MXUS hub bike and a 750/1500w bafang middrivev(that I can limit to 1000e) and there is no comparison. The middrive feels like it can climb a tree, the hub feels like it can deal with a moderately steep hill if you baby it. I have ridden both on extremely rough logging roads and the middrive can deal with whatever I throw at is. The hub motor can take minor hills, but not much more.

    • @mikemorgan8588
      @mikemorgan8588 Před rokem +1

      @@CoryZuspan , 2 hub drives can exceed the torque of 1 mid-drive every day.

    • @CoryZuspan
      @CoryZuspan Před rokem

      @@mikemorgan8588 You are correct of course, but with any single motor option the middrive will out-torque a hub. Adding a hub motor to an existing middrive bike would also have more torque than dual hubs with no middrive.

    • @mikemorgan8588
      @mikemorgan8588 Před rokem

      @@CoryZuspan , Of course you could have 3 motors on a bike, and some have done it. Messing with shifting using a mid drive I think is a purist bike rider/racer throwback that doesn’t apply to electric bikes. Should Tesla have manual 4 on the floor shifting to appease purists, or should they engineer for the greatest reliability and ease of use?

  • @allenschmitz9644
    @allenschmitz9644 Před rokem

    That's a MTB motor on a wrong frame bike!

  • @rabfallon4507
    @rabfallon4507 Před rokem

    That's a beast . what a joke with seat height . Why steal the Sinch design , make your own design and not have seat height problems

    • @ampridesusa
      @ampridesusa Před rokem +2

      We build the bikes customers ask us to. This was a request 18 months ago so we got the frame from the frame factory that supplies all the brands with this bike frame (sondors, aventon, yangbike) and we removed the back end and reinforced it heavily, added motor mounting and wire routing during frame modifications and welding. We just build the bikes people vote for, no real personal input as we are not the ones buying the bike. Seat height is dictated by triangle from motor to battery mounting area and stability, ability to pass 45 day frame stress test on robot. Less seat height weakened the back triangle and would result in fractures in frame after use. It is more of an engineering requirement for safety to handle the torque than a slight towards shorter riders.

  • @MELESAKUEHN
    @MELESAKUEHN Před 6 měsíci

    Do not order anything from Amp Rides. The original owner sold the company in June to an unscrupulous character who will lie to you incessantly for months on end, telling you it's stuck in customs, and that you'll have it next week. It NEVER comes! He will give you the run-around when you ask for your money back!

  • @ec.marquez
    @ec.marquez Před rokem

    hey Gray i haven't got telegram ! i just have email