Amp Rides Razorback - Fastest Folding eBike
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- čas přidán 25. 07. 2024
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The Razorback is a folding fat tire ebike powered by a Bafang Ultra Max 1000watt Mid Drive Motor. Additional Features include: 20x4 fat tires, 4 Piston Hydraulic Brakes, dual suspension, color display, a staggering 35ah of Battery Capacity, and rear rack and fenders are included.
The Razorback carried me to the fastest top speed i have ever tested on an ebike. If you are looking for a smooth and powerful ebike the Razorback does not disappoint! Check out additional ebike offerings from Amp Rides at www.ampridesusa.com
Special thanks to Amp Rides for providing access to the Razorback for review.
Ride Safe!
~Citizen
Timecodes:
0:00 - Intro
1:11 - Pricing & Packages
1:44 - Tires & Brakes
2:12 - Batteries
2:37 - Mid Drive Motor/Gearing/Shifting
5:08 - Seat, Suspension, Paint
5:37 - Display & Controls
5:58 - Seat Height/Weight
7:24 - Top Speed Runs
10:03 - Throttle Only Speed
10:54 - Ride Positioning
11:45 - Torque Mgmt
12:19 - Torqes Sensor/Power Delivery
13:53 - Hill Climbs
16:26 - Papa Citizen Riding
18:53 - Final Thoughts/What to know
Thanks for taking the time to review the Razorback! Thorough lesson in middrive riding provided by Citizen Cycle.
Yeah Citizen really does top flight reviews. They are always thoughtful and well reasoned. I highly recommend continuing to include him in your product introductions. High performance bikes like yours deserve a high performance tester. 😎 His range tests are the best...and the most brutal lol. It would be fun watching him try to run down this 35 amp hour bike. Maybe next time you can let him hang on to the bike and really put it through the wringer.
I agree with Jimmy James below. Well reasoned and thoughtful review as are all of them on this channel. I'm your demographic big-time and the real-world usability, rideability and range of testing showed me the sense in your bike rather than like on some channels where they spend ages going through display settings boring us to death, grinding through the spec sheet with the final nail to the coffin being filming themselves pedal.. I noticed this video quite by chance but so glad i watched it. Awesome product guys.
Where is my Razorback? Gimmy Gimmy
@@kevinnashskitchen3517 Those were a 2022 limited run bike.
@@ampridesusa 😳 oh.. Ok lol thanks.👍
Saw this video by sheer chance and glad I watched it. I've been on your channel before. Like your down to earth way of presenting. It's great that you give us your impressions of what its like to use the bike as well as the array of real-world tests and the fact the camera faces forward rather than filming the tarmac or pedals. Great bike, very well specced. The usability and rideability look great and the range should be equally impressive. Wonder what made them build it, but Im glad they did. Great review!
Nice review on the razorback
love it! This is the folder for me!
wow oh wow ! that is awesome and super fast ! need to write to Santa soon !! ha
Another awesome video. I love watching them you get me so hype! Keep it up! I ride my motorcycle and Ebike daily to the gym and work I love the wind in my face.
yes, love that freedom of being in the wind!
This bike looks JUST like my Aventon Sinch!!!! I wish the Sinch could hit those speeds though 😀
I like the options on the citizen cycle , front , rear or both.
I like it! What power, what speed! Nice!
Unique and powerful, was fun to test. first Bafang ultra motor i have been on, and fastest i have ever gone on an ebike.
This price is just fine imo, nice bike.
Enjoyed the video,I kinda like the hub drives,but there's a lot of options out there.
yes, getting to be something for everyone now, many options!
The Razorback is a great looking ebike as does really all Amp Rides bikes look good.
Somebody looking for a foldable ebike that has an integrated Bafang Ultra along with space cause of the rack to have an extra 21amps outside of the way is another good aspect to this bike. I would advise anyone to test out a mid drive w/torque sensing before buying as that can be a deal breaker. Having to be in the correct gear may be too much of a mental effort, and having to push hard in order for the bike to respond, so you get “decent” speed is not the most leisurely thing for most than again it is in its own category of rider. Good looking bike with what I am led to believe has great power cause of its mid drive system.
Great bike for the right person. Thank you Citizen! (said in Robocop voice 😁)
Great bike,I ride the emmo mini pro with the 21amp hr battery 48v
Too incredible to be real too real to be a dream
Dude, I love your channel. I love the enthusiasm and excitement you bring to your videos. I guess watching you ride all these e bikes makes it so I don't have to buy a lot of them. As far as mid drive vs hub drive, I think it all comes down to application. Loved my hub drive to cruise around and ride casually, and love my mid drive to climb hills all day long. So that just means that you need at least two bikes to have out all, but I would be ok with 4 or 5, but the wallet says other wise
Glad you are enjoying the content! its easy being enthusiastic when you get to test new toys all the time!!
It sounds like you just need a little help with your justifications 🙂 Ebikes are easy to take care of...Ebikes aren't that expensive...Ebikes can last a long time...Friends and family can ride them sometimes...etcetera. Pretty soon you will be able to convince yourself that you need 3 bikes.
HI Cherrysap! I agree with you 100%. This guy is enthusiastic, down to earth and sincere and his reviews just make sense.
@@jimmyjames8736 Can't always put all trust in one (in case it breaks) my first FB has a crack on folding hinge and a Kristal Y20 popped up on FB marketplace
@@CitizenCycle925 I purchased one of these amp ride bikes a few years ago and I messed with the settings and hit factory reset on display settings and now it only pushes 23 mph and I try to get into the advanced settings and I can’t get into them without an admin password. Do you know the password by chance previously the bike push 36 mph
Beastly folder! Nice gearing on this pig. 😁
Yes I own to mid-drive bikes a 1000w bafang mid-drive and a 750w bafang mid-drive because I love these motors once you ride a mid-drive your hooked but I do own a 750w zooz bike as well because the 750w Zooz has the most torque out of all three of the Zooz's
What is the difference between the mid drive 1000watt & 750 compared to the Zooz 750watt hub drive in general as well as specifically going up hills?
@@buffalomind6838 Not OP. But I have a 21% grade hill that runs 900' and have access to both a bafang ultra middrive bike 1000/1500w peak (Biktix Juggernaut Ultra Duo) and a Mxus 750/1000w hub bike (Ride1up lmtd).
There is no comparison. Not to be hyperbolic but it's not far from comparing a fawn to a stallion in terms of endurance or a .22 rifle to a .50 in terms of power.
Specific numbers, I am ~280lbs and was able to take the hill in 2nd gear at ~12mph without pedaling, my father is ~180lbs and took the same hill at the same time after riding the same distance at ~4mph with full assist and barely made it. At the top I could have stopped for afternoon tea, and he almost needed an ambulance. The difference between hub and middrive is not inconsequential.
As a note, we did switch and repeated the test for good scientific rigor. The results were even more disappointing when I drove the hub drive.
@@buffalomind6838 mid-drives are made for hill climbing they have loads of torque while still having the speed mixed with using the gears but the zooz 750 has got plenty of torque for a hub motor ✔️👍🏾
That is my favorite ev bike brand
agree. Best support of any company too.
Nice!! it be cool if there was an option to combine the power of the batteries for 96volts!!
Another good review, nice looking bike, never have been a fan of the torque sensor though.
I'm with you on that. Not all cadence sensors are on/off switches. On mine it's dynamic cadence sensing, and you can fine tune it. I recently did a group ride in Maryland with VERY steep hills, and the one guy with torque sensing was exhausted because he had to put in significant effort to keep up ALL the time. Cadence sensing PAS just worked better in this and many other group rides I've done around the country.
@@Altema22 I totally agree I used to have a mid Drive, and I did not care for it I felt like I had to drop gears to climb Hills, and I felt like I had to Pedal more. I was awfully take a hub drive any day over a mid Drive. And the same with a Cadence Sensor, my wife has a Hub Drive torque sensor, and when I ride her bike I feel a big difference. I don't want to work harder with a torque sensor to go up a hill.
I understand the thought of needing to put great effort into pedaling even in a straight line let alone up hill seems to be opposite in why one would get an ebike in the first place. A hub motor handles on an ebike handles amazingly as far as I’ve experienced, so making it a necessity to change gears for each level of pedal, is a deterrent for me, but if there were a switch in order to use cadence, or simply being in any gear and work like a hub without snapping a chain/ruining the entire drive system is a hurdle to a thinking man.
@@Altema22 Sounds like the guy with the torque sensor didn't know that you can turn assistance level up. Having ridden both torque and cadence, in my opinion torque offers more options. You can set the assistance with a bafang middrive between 0-5 by default, and at 5, it's almost a moped and you barely need to put in effort, at 0 it's literally a very heavy, slow, terrible bicycle.
I would need to ride a mid drive for at least a week, just to to see if I really wanted to switch from hub drive. Not into shifting.
Too Funny, I just emailed you asking about your thoughts on a torque sensor I guess I should have waited a day. Cool bike but I wonder how many people that purchase this bike actually use the folding advantage, I think it would be so much better looking without the folding part in the middle. It’s 95 lbs are you really folding it up and putting it you hatchback.
YES to folding, remove both batteries and it'll fit in your front seat. I did not see on the website, the weight of the batts. 15 -17lbs, I'm guessing?? Always buckle up!
My preview video is up on the Road warrior X 2 by Fabulous!!
i really like this folder, all except the weight. 94 pounds!! my current bike is 84 pounds and im really looking for a nice folder that weighs less. noticeably less. it looks nice with the options but it wont fold worth a shit with the bmx handlebars so what would be the point?
P&P - powerful and pricey!
@9:09 I thought you were dead. That car had you pegged, glad they didnt pull out in front of you. I want that bike.
haha, my eyes were laser focused on that car!!!
Excellent and enthusiastic review this time! This bike checks a lot of boxes for me, and I don't think I'd need to mod it. I noticed that you didn't do your timed hill climb and 0 to 20 tests. Was that omission intentional, or will those tests come later? Acceleration times are important for me because I frequently have to merge with moving traffic. I'm also looking forward to a range test 😉. I was invited to a group ride with gas mopeds next month, and the requirements for mopeds and e-bikes is they must be able to maintain at least 30mph for 60 miles, but I'm thinking the Razerback might qualify out of the box. Our previous gas/electric ride was 30mph+ for 30 miles, and my own bike had 48% battery left, but I was hooning a bit, lol.
Good luck finding an ebike that can meet those speeds and distance.
@@ActivityPhoto Agree with that. 98% of the e-bikes out there can't, and the Onyx and Sur Ron are technically a moped and a dirt bike.
I didnt time the hill climb because it would have varied depending on what gear i was in. I usually time it with the hub drives just to show how much power the motor has to shove you up a hill. with the mid drive motor hill climb power is not a worry. Didnt do a 0 to 20 because i find mid drives arent great for acceleration, you have to build thru the gears so it takes time to get up to speed, any 750w hub would probably out accelerate this bike but the Razorback would dominate at top end speed.
Get a Kepler for $1,799 and put a 30 ah battery on the rear rack. You'll go 60 miles at over 30 mph.😂👍 I can. Or put 2 of the 20ah batteries on the rack.. They fit easily. 60ah total with a battery blender set up for triple batteries. 😎
I'm 5'7" it mite be to big for me lol. Nice bike, great review . I like to pedal a bike.
just depends how confident you are on a tall bike, you could remove the suspension post too.
What speed app is that on your phone??
Still no Razorback for sale yet I think. I would get one today if I could.
so do you trust the sat on your phone or the sensor. well i have learned there is a difference between different apps on your phone. I have seen 10% differences in apps,its disappointing
A wider bar would give you more control compared to a shorter bar
Mid drive is most people's second or 3rd ebike. first ebike.. geared hub fs 26x4 21ah. running at 1800ish watts. I believe I've shown myself I deserve the bike I want... in 9 months I'm at almost 1300 miles.
it'll be a FS (air forks and mono) atleast 1000Wh capacity. Mid drive only if torque sensor equipped... and only if it's the Bafang Ultra Max
CitizenCycle, Could you put the Razorback to more tests on hills including this one with a tower possibly? It would be awesome to see how much strength & ease this mid drive can operate in.
unfortunately i only had the bike for a short time. so no more testing :(
I live in a hilly section of the Ozarks and added a 1000 watt Bafang to an old Trek. It can climb road hills at 20mph. In low gears off road it will climb anything it can get enough traction for but its tires are only 2.1 inches wide. The 20x4 tires on this Amp would hook up better. The limiting factor for me on hill climbing speed is how quickly I want to use up my 17ah battery. I would love to have 35ah like this beast.
@Have-EBike-NoCar Are there stronger drive trains made specifically for a mid drive Bafang mid drive etc in particular as the others are weaker/lower in NM, so it isn’t as in important as imagine pedaling under your own power going up steep hills with all that weight/stress on the entire drive train many times during each ride maybe even all throughout each ride?! 😬
@@jimmyjames8736 is that with you pedaling too, or all by itself going up steep hills 20mph? Also what is your ratios? Could you go up even faster if you had better leverage in the back & or front gears? Thanks for a reply.
@@jimmyjames8736 I feel you on wanting more amps, but then again it adds more weight to the bike which the motor has to push/you have to carry when necessary. I wish higher Volts for ebike batteries were a thing like 240 Volts & then one can have the smallest of amps multiplied by the Volts given one amazing range of 100’s of miles riding at top speed.🙂
What happened to this bike? Is it not available?
What ebike less than 55 pounds folding would come closest to this ebike?
i dont think i can even name an ebike under 55lbs.
Can U make it faster if it was Ur's
I'm 6'6" tall. I'd be wondering if it fits me. 35ah is phenomenal
Yes, no problem. We have tall riders using this bike.
Of course he could but not comfortably as you need you a 26in to 29in bike
@@NelsonKNelson right on
@@NelsonKNelson are you talking about a Sinch ?
I'm 5'4" and I could ride this bike, feet wouldn't touch the ground from the seat, just get off the seat when I stop. 😀
That bike is for the fitness conscious people that like to take the folder to rides meeting up with people transporting it to a location without bike racks.. No chain guard at the front sprocket?
This was a really great review Citizen. That bike at $3300 seems like a bargain when you consider all the equipment. Even with a 1000 watt mid drive and fat tires the 1680 watt hour battery should provide a whole lot of range. Tektro Dorados too. The Amp Rides bikes are looking really good. I don't care if a bike like that is heavy. It has enough power and range to be worth the extra weight.
very unique, fun, powerful bike :)
Very nice looking. Think I like the hub.. that has no chain gard. Can mess up my clothes ..
it's worth like 2,000$ to me i mean 1,000-watt motor not enough high speed like 50pmh and two battery is nice but cool little bike
That motor must weigh a ton.. Not sure where all that weight is coming from.. Extra battery is 10-12 lbs maybe.. But my Ariel Rider Kepler dwarfs that bike frame and tires..26x4, plus a much larger rack and 1000 watt motor. So at 74 lbs plus an extra 52V 20 amp battery my Kepler is still under 90 lbs. 🤔
This must be a one or 2 off prototype .. I don't think there were enough chains in stock to have more than 2
It's a hard choice I love my Adrenalized echo fabulous ebike hub drive and a peddle up to 97 km in a day. Very rarely use the throttle. But these mid drives I am not sure 😕 🤔
Great bike...for great neighborhood.
Why is nobody out there? They probably know, you are testing a speedbike.
Mid drive is the boss of the hills!!!
Btw, no big deal, just carry a extra chain, lol
Wow. 40 MPH, they gonna make you get license plates, lol 😆 😂
fastest i have ever been on an ebike :)
@@CitizenCycle925
53 tooth in front, 11 (or smaller) in rear will do it!!!
@@CitizenCycle925 so that one is even faster than your dual ebike ??
@@brucevous1 couple mile an hour faster but doesn't get there nearly as quickly as mine does
@@CitizenCycle925 you should race the both of them 👍
1/7/2023 this bike is not available of their web site at this time.
Wow .. nice!! But $3500…. I got up to 33 mph throttle only. Freesky sport 750 $1299 on sale. Regular $1599. Still less than half the price..
Huge observation: you rode & talked, gestured with your hands, rode standing very naturally on that bike. Like you were made for each other. That bike might just be The Cycle to your Citizen. Your dad looked very cool on that bike too.
Wildeway 32ah 750 watt 48 amp folding.$1299 if they give you $100 dollar code. I could buy two and glue them together. 😮lol
the handle bars are not wide enough... would be very unstable regardless of the speed
Customers asked us to offer it in this style handle bar and the wider BMX Elite style so we have both, per customer's specs desired.
sorry i didn't take the measurement of width but they felt fine, even at close to 40 mph! :) the BMX bar option might be better though
Onyx City 2 is a better buy, 45 mph with out pedaling.
I'm not sure what is going to be available for 2023.. Looks like 1 folding and one budget model.
I just don’t understand why a 90 lb bike needs to fold. Looks nice otherwise! I have a bike with a Bafang Ultra and it’s a great motor.
The customers asked for it to fold so we built it the way they voted for. We don't buy ebikes so it is not up to us the styles that customers vote for.
Cons: No belt, external gears, one size fits all, LG cells (fire).
We have not had a belt and internal gear set survive the 160nm motor, do you know of one we are missing? We have shredded everything we have tested. Most are rated for 80nm that are respectable and worth adding as a component. Probably in a couple years there will be more advances in that area and we can source it.
@@ampridesusa Is it possible to regulate the torque so that it is gradually applied to the gear hub and the belt? And based on the gear that is on, there will be a limit to the amount of torque to prevent damaging the gear hub or the belt.
@@danstenis660 in the lower pas settings but eventually you have to unleash it and then it tears it apart.
No your good you don't have to shift gears to get your top end and if you start off in 8 you will take off slower then if you was in 1st gear
If you start off in 8 you will snap the chain every time with this motor and gear setup like the west coast reviewers did.
@@ampridesusa no you won't and you will fuck your derailleur up before you snap a chain
I would pay $3500 for your bike that you build with the 2 hub motors
What do you have for me?
Count me out on the messing with shifting. Hub drives can deliver just as much torque and speed without the stress. And there is always 2 wheel drive.!
This is just wrong. It's misinformation. No hub drive hits 160NM torque or even close.
I have access to a 750/1000w MXUS hub bike and a 750/1500w bafang middrivev(that I can limit to 1000e) and there is no comparison. The middrive feels like it can climb a tree, the hub feels like it can deal with a moderately steep hill if you baby it. I have ridden both on extremely rough logging roads and the middrive can deal with whatever I throw at is. The hub motor can take minor hills, but not much more.
@@CoryZuspan , 2 hub drives can exceed the torque of 1 mid-drive every day.
@@mikemorgan8588 You are correct of course, but with any single motor option the middrive will out-torque a hub. Adding a hub motor to an existing middrive bike would also have more torque than dual hubs with no middrive.
@@CoryZuspan , Of course you could have 3 motors on a bike, and some have done it. Messing with shifting using a mid drive I think is a purist bike rider/racer throwback that doesn’t apply to electric bikes. Should Tesla have manual 4 on the floor shifting to appease purists, or should they engineer for the greatest reliability and ease of use?
That's a MTB motor on a wrong frame bike!
That's a beast . what a joke with seat height . Why steal the Sinch design , make your own design and not have seat height problems
We build the bikes customers ask us to. This was a request 18 months ago so we got the frame from the frame factory that supplies all the brands with this bike frame (sondors, aventon, yangbike) and we removed the back end and reinforced it heavily, added motor mounting and wire routing during frame modifications and welding. We just build the bikes people vote for, no real personal input as we are not the ones buying the bike. Seat height is dictated by triangle from motor to battery mounting area and stability, ability to pass 45 day frame stress test on robot. Less seat height weakened the back triangle and would result in fractures in frame after use. It is more of an engineering requirement for safety to handle the torque than a slight towards shorter riders.
Do not order anything from Amp Rides. The original owner sold the company in June to an unscrupulous character who will lie to you incessantly for months on end, telling you it's stuck in customs, and that you'll have it next week. It NEVER comes! He will give you the run-around when you ask for your money back!
hey Gray i haven't got telegram ! i just have email