18650 DIY Powerwall Balancing Act

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  • čas přidán 12. 09. 2024
  • 18650 DIY Powerwall Balancing Act by using a few old Longmons that I busted the temp sensor on zip-tieing them to my cells *woops*. This video really started off as a joke then it turned out it worked well. Really well in under 8 hours, it would bring a new high cell into line with all the others. Brilliant!
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Komentáře • 129

  • @Dingbat217
    @Dingbat217 Před 7 lety +7

    Five times 1.7 equals maths, who knows!
    I love your comments Pete. :-)
    Why don't you mount that block of longmons somewhere where you can reach each cell pack with a couple of long wires, that way you can have the balancing block in a fixed position and when you need to balance a block you simply move the long wires to the right cell pack and let it do it's thing.
    This is of course provided that the communication bus to the longmons is isolated from the cells it's attached to but I think it must be or you would not have been able to simply add more when a new pack is added to the system.

  • @mrhypno1984
    @mrhypno1984 Před 7 lety +1

    I love how you impromptu know WTF you are doing. It isn't stupid if it works! This is why I can watch every one of your vids over and over. Cheers Pete!

  • @WillemAsselbergs
    @WillemAsselbergs Před 7 lety

    This is truly incredible stuff. This is the way computing was in the past. Your control center is quite sophisticated. Once you "dumb" that down, make it simple, and as you advance, regular users can get into this also. That is where the future is for this for sure. You sure are showing the way though. Thanks for sharing.

  • @SidneyCritic
    @SidneyCritic Před 7 lety

    Just thinking out aloud for a a quick change busbar
    Have a vertical busbar with plastic strips perpendicular over the batteries.
    Drill a small hole in the plastic strip over each cell,.
    Solder a pin to a small neodymium magnet.
    Put the pin of the magnet through the hole and solder a stopper on the pin end so the magnet can move up and down maybe 5mm - this will account for different distance to the cell -.
    Then solder fuse wire from the pin stopper to the busbar.

  • @BrunoPOWEEER
    @BrunoPOWEEER Před 7 lety

    Yeaahhh what a brilliant idea saving these BlackMons using as a "smart / fancy software controllable resistor"
    You ROCK dude!!!!

    • @HBPowerwall
      @HBPowerwall  Před 7 lety +1

      DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUDe you ROCK heaps more Pooooower!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • @arleneallen8809
    @arleneallen8809 Před 7 lety

    Hobby/gaming computer enthusiasts use liquid cooling these days for extreme overclocking. An AIO liquid cooling system might be very useful in the context of powerwall cooling. As always, love your real world approach to these videos.

    • @HBPowerwall
      @HBPowerwall  Před 7 lety

      Water and power - dam that'd give the burn ya house down crew some thing else to wine about lol

    • @arleneallen8809
      @arleneallen8809 Před 7 lety

      :) Computing community reacted that way for a while. A bit scary. Now water cooling home computers is common. I mentioned it because these are off the shelf units you buy from the computer stores. Don't need to invent or cobble together anything.

    • @l0k048
      @l0k048 Před rokem

      @@HBPowerwall you don't need to use water, you can use coolants that are not conductive

  • @dash8brj
    @dash8brj Před 5 lety

    I've been looking for a BMS for when I go lithium, and keep coming back to Batrium. Sure its pricy, but its a pretty cool setup. You just MacGyvered up a gadget using the longmons to make it even more useful. I think I'm sold :)

    • @HBPowerwall
      @HBPowerwall  Před 5 lety

      Tell em pete sent ya lol, To be honest, this gear is so good i wouldn't have a powerwall any more if I didn't have the Batrium BMS

  • @AveRage_Joe
    @AveRage_Joe Před 7 lety +1

    That was a great little mod!!! 👍

  • @korishan
    @korishan Před 7 lety

    Neat way to bring the packs down quickly. Smart Thinking! Just a quick note, longmons could of been on the same side as the fan as the air would of been passing over the resistors. And, maybe a lil shroud to help direct the air closer to the longmons.
    But looks like it worked fairly flawlessly :)

    • @HBPowerwall
      @HBPowerwall  Před 7 lety

      Definitely could have been done better or smarter, but kinda turned out well.. I'll leave it for someone else to improve upon :)

    • @korishan
      @korishan Před 7 lety

      LOL Yep :)

  • @tazdvil3376
    @tazdvil3376 Před 7 lety +1

    Well done Pete. Another good video full of instruction and intuition ;-)

  • @ahaveland
    @ahaveland Před 7 lety

    Nice creative solution Pete!
    I think I would have added another cell in parallel with a smidge lower voltage, or made an extra 3S battery to include the high cell and use it to drive the lipo charger to charge another offline cell, and keep most of the energy!

    • @HBPowerwall
      @HBPowerwall  Před 7 lety

      Energy lost is negligible and easier just to burn than to bugger around with :)

    • @ahaveland
      @ahaveland Před 7 lety

      True, and ok for an exceptional case, but it would add up over time if happened regularly - there has to be a better way to redistribute charge amongst cells than bleeding it off, and I'm going to try to make a system to do it!

  • @parita.patel.593
    @parita.patel.593 Před 4 lety

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  • @frankchristensen5778
    @frankchristensen5778 Před 7 lety

    Hi P:ete, Try mounting longmons flat on one side of the grid and the fan on the opposite side [blowing or sicking...] This would be more robust and probably more efficient cooling. Cheers, Frank.

    • @HBPowerwall
      @HBPowerwall  Před 7 lety

      good idea, take up less room too :)

    • @frankchristensen5778
      @frankchristensen5778 Před 7 lety

      My thought exactly. Also less chance of damage, installed or packed away... Cheers from Perth mate.

  • @evilutionltd
    @evilutionltd Před 7 lety

    A nice little air duct from the fan to direct air over the monitor boards would be a good idea. Got a 3D printer to make something?

    • @HBPowerwall
      @HBPowerwall  Před 7 lety

      hummm 3D printer... lol the want is strong. I really could go crazy with this idea or leave it for what it is and roll with it. Could make is super sexy and tidy printed up lol

  • @SidebandSamurai
    @SidebandSamurai Před 5 lety

    I really love your videos. Very educational. When you speak of "Cell" in your battery, are you talking about one battery pack that has 70 18650s in them?

    • @HBPowerwall
      @HBPowerwall  Před 5 lety

      Yes, I refer 1 x 80P battery as a Cell - right or wrong that's how I've always done it :)

  • @glennlockey1012
    @glennlockey1012 Před 7 lety

    As always. Awesome......

  • @ursodermatt8809
    @ursodermatt8809 Před 7 lety +2

    yes i think the bms balancers should have stronger current resistors. not just the batrium, i mean all of them.

    • @HBPowerwall
      @HBPowerwall  Před 7 lety

      Definitely worth a thought.. Remember that the longmons are now 5-7 years old in their design and never meant for such unbalanced banks of batteries. The design was for new batteries that have FAR less chance of going out of balance. That said, once balanced well and you figure out your charge controllers voltage and the balance voltage of the longmons I'm lucky to see one longmon go red per week. And even then there is a fair chance its cloud edge responsible for the 'over voltage'

    • @ursodermatt8809
      @ursodermatt8809 Před 7 lety

      i agree with you. but keep in mind when the battery cells get older, their capacities might change. not necessarily evenly. that is when a larger capacity shunt might come in handy.
      similar to the content of the video you just put online.

    • @HBPowerwall
      @HBPowerwall  Před 7 lety

      even then after years, the time it would need to balance daily would be ever so minimial it wouldn't be worth the extra expense of larger resistors. Remeber there is a fine line between a product having a long and happy life and something COOKING its self to death. it's a balancing act that i think the longmons have nailed!

    • @ursodermatt8809
      @ursodermatt8809 Před 7 lety

      yes there is a fine line. however there is another lifepo4 user that has two balancing boards on cells installed, because of low shunting capacity.
      the way i see it, a bit more capacity won't hurt but comes in handy when you do need it.
      and yes to me that batrium looks a first class product. with hindsight i would have installed it too. particularly the feature to adjust the voltage when it starts bleeding is really great. (so i suppose when the capacities diverge you could lower that voltage a bit)

    • @ursodermatt8809
      @ursodermatt8809 Před 7 lety

      on an other batrium matter, can the batrium software be accessed via ethernet?

  • @sebastianmiceli
    @sebastianmiceli Před 7 lety

    Another good idea is to put a cooler in all the long moduls!

    • @HBPowerwall
      @HBPowerwall  Před 7 lety

      how so ?

    • @sebastianmiceli
      @sebastianmiceli Před 7 lety

      The same way you put in it this devise, but in the wall. A cheap and nice upgrade!

    • @sebastianmiceli
      @sebastianmiceli Před 7 lety

      You can keep it simple only with the sensor and testing when it cuts. Just an idea... lot of work as always!

  • @bosdad7
    @bosdad7 Před 7 lety

    LOL I can tell Jehu has been giving you video editing tips.

  • @websp00k
    @websp00k Před 6 lety +1

    Here's a challenge for ya! Or maybe your viewers - design an inexpensive hot swap battery holder for a power wall that's easy to swap the battery out. Add an email alert for the Raspbien junkies.

  • @Dutch_off_grid_homesteading

    heya nice balacing act

  • @tommieronen7424
    @tommieronen7424 Před 5 lety

    Is it possible to balance that cell by connect it parallel with other cells? If the current is too high, calculate what size resistor you need between?

    • @HBPowerwall
      @HBPowerwall  Před 5 lety +1

      Yep done that in the past - all 14cells with little balance leads so not too much current can pass - they get bit warm but only for a short time.

  • @squidlings
    @squidlings Před 7 lety

    I was wondering... on a sunny day, does the power from the pannels, always go direct to the powerwall, then into your house appliances, or if for instance you have the washing machine on, will the washing machine pull the current direct from the pannels if it's available and the remaining amps charges the wall? If you've answered this previously apologies, I've looked through your 1001 videos... Im sure I'll watch them one buy one as I build my wall. Sooo excited.

    • @HBPowerwall
      @HBPowerwall  Před 7 lety +1

      The MPP Solar Inverter is set to SBU mode - (Solar > Battery > Utility mode) So it does just that, uses the solar generated power first with excess going to charge battery or if there is insuffient solar it will draw all from solar and remainder from batteries. I hope this helps. Pete

    • @squidlings
      @squidlings Před 7 lety

      HBPowerwall brilliant! You are a star. U should put a Bitcoin donation wallet address in your video information links. I'll happily contribute for your dedication to unravelling this powerwall mystery.

  • @borisalexandergonzalezmaru4278

    GOOD AFTERNOON FRIEMD PLEASE TELL ME WHAT ARE THE ME ASURES OF THE SHEET WHERE THE TOWERS ARE THANKS?

  • @chrispfeil6605
    @chrispfeil6605 Před 5 lety

    Love the camera changes to the music 😊

  • @jamest.5001
    @jamest.5001 Před 6 lety

    how much balance current does the longmons have? I need a BMS/ balancing system. for a 7s bank. I hope it nears the capacity of yours! I plan to only pull about 3kw peak for short durations. fridge and freezer running. while TV and lights . so I dont use all that much power. well you answered part of my question. 1.7 amps bal. current. is that all four ? or each? I would like to have a balancer that could pull 5-10a . if needed. so I can get on with charging. a variable balance current would be a great idea for large banks. for now I will manually balance. and monitor. I nope the over/ under volt protection the inverter has doesn't fail. otherwise all should be well. great video. I'm working my way through 300 cells as a start on my bank. I am off grid!

    • @HBPowerwall
      @HBPowerwall  Před 6 lety

      it is 1.7a per longmon (fully configurable to anything under that ) over and under volt it taken care of by Batrium if the inverter/charger fails Batrium will trigger shunt trip shutting EVERYTHING down

  • @lqlq4
    @lqlq4 Před 6 lety

    Love the video editing (y)

  • @onuralpozsoy92
    @onuralpozsoy92 Před 7 lety

    You have lots of free energy. Why don't you install ac to battery storage area?

  • @haxby2008
    @haxby2008 Před 7 lety

    Why not just connect the new fully charged cell via a 50w halogen bulb to the rest of the pack? The current will flow through the bulb and charge the rest of the pack. Once equalized the current will stop itself and you can remove the bulb and reconnect the cell to the pack.

    • @HBPowerwall
      @HBPowerwall  Před 7 lety

      +Phil Pawlowski because it's not very youtubie & I can monitor it. It was just an idea didn't really know if it would have worked.

  • @jahirulislamshovon9256

    Sir, active balancer or passive balancer which is preferred? Can they be used simultaneously in 18650 pack?

    • @HBPowerwall
      @HBPowerwall  Před 4 lety

      Passive is my choice, don't use both.. just get a www.batrium.com BMS and never look back

  • @AJB2K3
    @AJB2K3 Před 6 lety +1

    Is there going to be a software version for linux on the Raspberry pi?

    • @HBPowerwall
      @HBPowerwall  Před 6 lety

      That'll help ya out - czcams.com/video/0LQPJz8Y1i8/video.html

  • @arklanbk
    @arklanbk Před 7 lety

    just checking, the way your fusible links work is they blow when one of ur cells goes bad right? its not gonna go bad and bring down other cells with it?

    • @HBPowerwall
      @HBPowerwall  Před 7 lety

      Yes, they work well too as it turns out - drop a spanner on it - all fuses instantly blow, one 18650 cell gets hot (typically this is due to internal failure) it starts to suck power from rest of cells blowing a single fuse. Also the way it's built if the whole pack gets physically impacted there is a fair chance the fuses will also break

  • @fourzerofour7860
    @fourzerofour7860 Před 6 lety

    So, I heard you reference being able to use those longmon's as 'dumb' or what I presume you mean as 'stand alone'.
    Do you have a video about doing such a thing? Or could you give me some more info?
    Thanks.

    • @HBPowerwall
      @HBPowerwall  Před 6 lety

      No I really meant dumb - longmons are only part of the story - without the watchmon you can't tell the longmons what they need to do in the first instance.

    • @fourzerofour7860
      @fourzerofour7860 Před 6 lety

      Ah, okay.
      So the Watchmon can be disconnected at some point and the longmons will keep doing their jobs, but the Watchmon is necessary to configure them in the first place?

    • @HBPowerwall
      @HBPowerwall  Před 6 lety

      Yes, it is also needed to do data logging WM1 had 10 yrs logging WM4 has 20x more data logging room

  • @nilobualoy117
    @nilobualoy117 Před 5 lety

    Pls recommend balancing device which is affordable price not only BATRIUM , which too expensive. Thanks

    • @HBPowerwall
      @HBPowerwall  Před 5 lety

      There are 100's of other BMS out there, I love the price point of the Batrium as it is a TRUE BMS not just a balancer.

  • @davidcollins553
    @davidcollins553 Před 7 lety +1

    are you going to give the batteries a temperature control system?

    • @HBPowerwall
      @HBPowerwall  Před 7 lety +1

      Great Question: Much thought has been put into this question. My battery has a max amp draw of 80 amps. The battery 320s 14p. 80 amps divide by 320 is 0.25amps max draw per cell. In my 4 hour load test of just 520 cells at 1000watts granted was only 24v at the time it took 4 hours at that current to raise the temp of the cells. So cooling the cells.. Nop will never need to do it. NOW air temp *because Australia* is another issue. Fans and all the parts have been ordered so that before summer hits i can not so much cool the sheds as keep them a constant temp all over each shed. Fans will be installed and controlled by the WatchMon BMS based on the 120 temp sensors in the sheds. There will probably be two separate systems in both sheds one to draw fresh cool air into the sheds and another to circulate the air with in the sheds.

    • @ahaveland
      @ahaveland Před 7 lety

      Pete, here's an idea I've had for a while to visualize the temperature of every cell.
      This company www.hallcrest.com/custom-temperature-indicators can make custom liquid crystal thermometer strips and for various temperature ranges.
      I think it'd be really cool to stick them on the sides of each cell and watch them change colour with temperature - any hot spots could be quickly identified without having to spend thousands on a FLIR camera.
      However, a lot depends on how cheap the strips can be made, given that hundreds, or thousands would be required.
      Thermochromic paint or heatshrink that changed colour at 60 °C would also be really useful.
      (Instead of using lots of wires, a video camera and raspberry pi could monitor the colours and report any anomalies.)

    • @DIYTechRepairs
      @DIYTechRepairs Před 7 lety

      Add some kind of air director that pushes the air to the long mons. Smart idea though :)

    • @HBPowerwall
      @HBPowerwall  Před 7 lety

      Done over would have used a 5v fan not 12v lol would have pushed a lot more air.. never mind worked well and i'm sure someone will take the idea and improve it

    • @phizicks
      @phizicks Před 7 lety

      I actually thought to lie them across the holes and the fan on the other side of the holes. no more direct than that. the current setup I thought the fan was on the wrong side since the resister components are on the other side of the longmon so not sure if it's working right as shown.

  • @santoroma17
    @santoroma17 Před 7 lety

    Whats you're:
    KWh capacity now
    KWh in/out on a normal day
    Thanks Pete!

    • @HBPowerwall
      @HBPowerwall  Před 7 lety

      +Matthew Santoro 40kwh storage 10kwh ish per day from battery abouy 12-15kwh direct from solar per day

  • @ondrejbrandejsky5592
    @ondrejbrandejsky5592 Před 6 lety

    How much did it cost you?
    And do you think you will ever get your money back?

  • @dtec30
    @dtec30 Před 6 lety

    peter did you get the spot on your hand @ 6:49 checked ?

    • @HBPowerwall
      @HBPowerwall  Před 6 lety

      Don't do doctors ... and i'm not kidding

    • @dtec30
      @dtec30 Před 6 lety

      aww pete is the mark still there ?
      dermatologist ?

    • @HBPowerwall
      @HBPowerwall  Před 6 lety

      it's a mole been there since birth

    • @dtec30
      @dtec30 Před 6 lety

      ok apologies for some reason i got worried will leave you to it ps have a happy fathers day tomorrow cheers buddy

    • @HBPowerwall
      @HBPowerwall  Před 6 lety

      Thanks for your concern buddy it's probably a bad thing to have on a human but I'm happy to run with it as my hate of doctors goes deep into my past hahah i'll probably die of some disease that was around in the dark ages and been curable for decades lol

  • @MGunderm
    @MGunderm Před 7 lety

    Nice. Do you mind if I copy this idea?

    • @HBPowerwall
      @HBPowerwall  Před 7 lety

      +M Gunderm go for it. Improve and share!!

  • @zBanditGuy
    @zBanditGuy Před 6 lety

    seizure alert at 3:03

  • @dufung3980
    @dufung3980 Před 7 lety

    Why are you running at 4.1?

    • @HBPowerwall
      @HBPowerwall  Před 7 lety

      4.2 would be unsafe, 4v too little capicity :)

    • @dufung3980
      @dufung3980 Před 7 lety

      I'm a big believer in dropping voltage for LCOS.

    • @HBPowerwall
      @HBPowerwall  Před 7 lety

      LCOS?

    • @dufung3980
      @dufung3980 Před 7 lety

      Levelized cost of storage, how much output and therein value you get over the product life.

  • @james10739
    @james10739 Před 7 lety +1

    One if the times you fast forwarded it sounded like people on a roller coaster

  • @twcstransam
    @twcstransam Před 7 lety

    Really a heat gun is that fast and isn't a flame

    • @HBPowerwall
      @HBPowerwall  Před 7 lety +1

      your right it's more predictable and controllable.

    • @twcstransam
      @twcstransam Před 7 lety

      HBPowerwall thanks for the info and work, very inspiring

  • @peterfaber9316
    @peterfaber9316 Před 7 lety +2

    Yeah, I know you better. 😁

  • @Furiends
    @Furiends Před 7 lety

    weird. you call them cells but written on them is "bank." Neither of which is accurate. A typical usb charger or laptop battery bank is a bank of three batteries in series with 2 cells in parallel. Of course a bank of batteries (plural) can also be called a bigger battery (singular). Yet a bank is a bank and a cell is a cell.

  • @AJB2K3
    @AJB2K3 Před 6 lety

    I'm lazy, I use my soldering iron on heatshrink.

    • @HBPowerwall
      @HBPowerwall  Před 6 lety

      Noooo don't do it lol

    • @AJB2K3
      @AJB2K3 Před 6 lety

      lol, never had a problem doing it but the new station now has hot air.

    • @HBPowerwall
      @HBPowerwall  Před 6 lety +1

      Hot air is good - :)

  • @alexrustick9734
    @alexrustick9734 Před 7 lety

    bring back the long hair