and this was the 9mm....can only imagine the puree mess that the 10mm Civil Defense, or OW would make? I still include some heavy, slow penetrators scattered in the magazine...but for sure these are my "go-to" in the chamber. I wish some LE agency would give rounds like this a try. I can't imagine perps continuing to advance on them after receiving 5 or 6 of these, like we regularly see with JHP. The only case I can currently see being made against them, is the drop in velocity over some distance, like 50 yards...Police might be more likely to take long shots like that, but civil defenders perhaps, too - even if unlikely...if being shot at from down or across a street or from some mall storefront. I need to find what is their BC. I bet it's not great, like maybe .06 or something.
@@ShastaBean great thoughts and yah that’ll be fun so see in 10mm. As I recall the poi shift was within the accuracy of all your shooting anyways right or within an inch or two. Yes would be nice to see stopping power of this in real life scenarios it gosh that looks to be devastating. And yah, I’m not worried about 50 yard shots…
@@triggerbarPhD It seemed plenty fine (for me) at 7 yards...especially given what I've seen with the 2" difference in POI from shooting Overwatch at left target vs. right target (need to follow up on that phenomenon!!). Critical Defense was about ~1/2 to .7" high and ~.2" left. Still, probably worth shooting a full magazine of mixed ammo all at the same target and see what I get. Rinse & repeat. Then see if any different at 15 yards, and maybe 25 yards. Assuming BC of .06, with 7 yd zero and .8" sight-over-bore, at 25 yards, this would hit .5" higher than 115 gr @ 1135 fps muzzle & 2 inches higher at 50 yards due to its velocity...if that somehow made any difference where I'd be hitting with a pistol at 50 yards??? Color me skeptical with I'm sure what would be like 2 or 3 foot groups regardless of ammo. haha. Besides L.E. I mentioned perhaps it matters...also, for people that use 9mm PCC for hogs are who might want to take into consideration POI or drop or loss of energy, if shooting at 100 yards or more. I sure wouldn't use it, or any 9mm at that distance. It'd have like just 140 ft# of energy at 100 yards...and 100 ft# at 150 yd. I see lots of comments of people describing what it does to hogs...devastating. They never say the distance, though. My 45 gr TSX with its BC of .188 from the Ruger LC would still be cooking with 264 ft# at 150 yd. Although it wouldn't open at 1724 fps...but the energy is there - and maybe if use another bullet like Hornady BEE in 45 gr or whatever would open up. Paul Harrel's video...@ 15 yards: w/Barretta it was ~2" lower with the Liberty CD, but with the M&Pc, it was effectively the same (at 10 yards). "not enough difference, to make a difference". TLDR...again, typing out-loud. heh
My goodness. Okay I'm moving in the direction of overwatch. That's incredible.
and this was the 9mm....can only imagine the puree mess that the 10mm Civil Defense, or OW would make?
I still include some heavy, slow penetrators scattered in the magazine...but for sure these are my "go-to" in the chamber.
I wish some LE agency would give rounds like this a try. I can't imagine perps continuing to advance on them after receiving 5 or 6 of these, like we regularly see with JHP.
The only case I can currently see being made against them, is the drop in velocity over some distance, like 50 yards...Police might be more likely to take long shots like that, but civil defenders perhaps, too - even if unlikely...if being shot at from down or across a street or from some mall storefront. I need to find what is their BC. I bet it's not great, like maybe .06 or something.
@@ShastaBean great thoughts and yah that’ll be fun so see in 10mm. As I recall the poi shift was within the accuracy of all your shooting anyways right or within an inch or two. Yes would be nice to see stopping power of this in real life scenarios it gosh that looks to be devastating. And yah, I’m not worried about 50 yard shots…
@@triggerbarPhD It seemed plenty fine (for me) at 7 yards...especially given what I've seen with the 2" difference in POI from shooting Overwatch at left target vs. right target (need to follow up on that phenomenon!!). Critical Defense was about ~1/2 to .7" high and ~.2" left. Still, probably worth shooting a full magazine of mixed ammo all at the same target and see what I get. Rinse & repeat. Then see if any different at 15 yards, and maybe 25 yards.
Assuming BC of .06, with 7 yd zero and .8" sight-over-bore, at 25 yards, this would hit .5" higher than 115 gr @ 1135 fps muzzle & 2 inches higher at 50 yards due to its velocity...if that somehow made any difference where I'd be hitting with a pistol at 50 yards??? Color me skeptical with I'm sure what would be like 2 or 3 foot groups regardless of ammo. haha.
Besides L.E. I mentioned perhaps it matters...also, for people that use 9mm PCC for hogs are who might want to take into consideration POI or drop or loss of energy, if shooting at 100 yards or more. I sure wouldn't use it, or any 9mm at that distance.
It'd have like just 140 ft# of energy at 100 yards...and 100 ft# at 150 yd. I see lots of comments of people describing what it does to hogs...devastating. They never say the distance, though.
My 45 gr TSX with its BC of .188 from the Ruger LC would still be cooking with 264 ft# at 150 yd. Although it wouldn't open at 1724 fps...but the energy is there - and maybe if use another bullet like Hornady BEE in 45 gr or whatever would open up.
Paul Harrel's video...@ 15 yards: w/Barretta it was ~2" lower with the Liberty CD, but with the M&Pc, it was effectively the same (at 10 yards). "not enough difference, to make a difference".
TLDR...again, typing out-loud. heh
I commented too early. 6" of gel after the pork???? good grief that is a devastating round.
I might be massively overestimating their effects, but these really seem like two shots of 5.7 x 28 wrapped into one.
@@ShastaBean wow that’s incredible.