I would call them a group of five. Ame is the leader, but also the smart one, Mori os the strong guy, Kiara is the lancer, Ina is the smart guy (since she's the one with a scientist outfit), and Gura is the heart... Because she's cute.
Even if you don't consider Ame as Myth's leader, you can't deny her influence to the group and the sheer amount of stuff she breathed life into. The Vtuber world would be so much different now if Ame didn't show up 2 years ago, and I'm not even kidding.
@@_heartunderblade2451 well, just because she's been out for a bit doesn't nullify her leadership over the past years. She's always been the one to lead the EN and it doesn't look like that will change in the near future.
@@_heartunderblade2451 yup. She even said herself that she wants other people to take the lead in projects while she just helps from behind the scenes, since I'm sure she's was/is feeling burn out for being the leader of... Well almost everything for the past few years. It's actually a sign of good leadership to help someone/coworkers to take more responsibility and improve themselves so that they can get experience as well. A decent leader stands at the front leads the followers behind. A great leader brings everyone to their level and leads with them.
@@_heartunderblade2451 Nah, she has a lot of stuff going in the background, she just doesn't announce them. She prefers surprises after all. And to be honest I don't get why people expect vtubers to just bring out new and unique content nonstop like some untiring machine. Ame is just human in lore and IRL, and Ame living her life or just getting some rest every once in a while shouldn't be a surprise. She already has contributed a ton of stuff not just to Myth but to the vtuber world as a whole, that expecting her to continously top that is just unfair. And she still does streams anyways (in Twitch too). And they are always fun. Her recent 3D walking streams are also new and unique, and I won't be surprised if other vtubers use her idea, just like the feet-on-desk and smol ame trends to pick a few. We Teamates at least, are aware that Ame has tons of stuff she's planning to do and I'm sure she's just looking for the right people to hire or for technology to catch up.
For Holox, Laplus is supposed to be the leader according to the lore, but i always viewed Lui as the "actual" leader due to how supportive she is to her genmates, like a mama caring for her daughters
Iirc Lui is considered the "real leader" even in lore. On 90% of official media, laplus is portrayed as a "leader" who spends most of her time doing nothing while Lui is out there getting everything done while also taking care of laplus
For Luxiem, it's a weird case cuz, like Nousagi already said, Vox has his immense influence and Luca with his kayfabe. Then you have Mysta who organized the group game show collabs (Vox admitting that his game show was inspired by Mysta). Then there's Shu and Ike who have noticeable influence in and out of their group, where Ike helps with music covers and Shu with his trademarked Shupport.
For me, Holomyth is seen as an idol group, which normally does have a leader. Luxiem feels more like a group of bros who chill together, and I think that's why there isn't an apparent leader for them.
A little context on how the boys see Altare: Vesper has said before (not direct quote) that Altare is really great at motivating the group with his down to Earth personality. He's also somewhat a jack of all trades in his content when other members have a particular focus. Vesper is the "King of Zatsudans", Magni is the comedian and Axel has a stronger focus on music and his unseiso moments. Altare does all of these things, but he's not too heavily spec'ed into one.
I would personally argue that Magni is the leader i the shadows mostly becuase he's the one running most of the group projects they do such as the april fools collab but Altare could be considered the heart of the group in the same way Kiara is the heart of Myth.
@@tjhunter9787 not really, I think while Magni is creative in his ideas Ragus is more of a rock, he is a calm level headed guy that can get his point across, even Vesper a literal 30+ year old admits Ragus is the most clear headed out of everyone in Tempus.
After seeing how he handled the situation and how he worked to keep TSB morale up during the toughest moments of vsaikyo, I can say with confidence I understand why he is the leader of Tempus
Probably because they eventually fell under Myth's umbrella and deferred to Amelia on things that needed behind the scenes leadership stuff. Though I would say Bae seems to be on the "motivator" side of leadership. There's also a point to be made about geographic distinctions creating to different types of leadership. Among HoloLive at least the ones disconnected physically from their branch like Bae, Haachama, and Kiara seem to develop their own sense of leadership on their own, since they kinda have to.
They realised a council of Gods couldn't stop or contain Ame and just settled into their vibe. Like a video game where a villian joins your party after you beat them.
@@kyuven In lore, Bae is leader. And she's also the closest to being leader IRL as well. She also arguably has the highest power level, both in lore and IRL. The other EN girls keep saying how talented she is and how wide of a range she has.
I find it very interesting that you kept showing elira during this video. She’s definitely the leader of lazulight and could probably be considered the face of NijiEN, but based on your own definitions, the “leader” of the branch is almost certainly Selen
I agree with both of your points. Nousagi did make it clear that the video was kind of an excuse to shill for Ame more, which might be why he didn’t explicitly state that Elira was Lazulght’s (agency-picked and community judged) leader. Another interesting point to add to that is that both Elira and Selen are half-sisters in their lore, so seeing them both act as the leaders for their respective waves does make it seem like Niji was spot on by picking them
To me, the leader is the person who steps up and tries to solve the difficulties. Ame has done this over and over again. Many just see her accomplishments and belittle it by saying she's "just" innovative. The 2 big examples are Holomyth's 3D debut and Tempus. Myth's first 3D debut was pushed back heavily and the fanbase was disappointed because it felt like a slap to the face to the achievements the Myth girls accomplished, and then boom, just a few months later Ame rallied everyone together and gave us what Hololive couldn't. Tempus, my god, the atmosphere back then was unsettling, and I know there were collabs between the boys and Myth/Council before but those did not quell it. Ame saw the backlash of the collabs and decided to go further than a simple collab with the boys, she made them key figures in this big, first time event. Laying it out flat and simple, if you want to make a big controversy about the boys being a part of it and any future events, then you're going to be ignored. Ame could've easily kept her involvement a secret but no, she stepped up and announced this as her project, she promoted it herself, and even made the boys front and center. She took control of the situation and publicly stated this is the new norm, deal with it.
@@niyo919 the bit about the boys? Np, Tempus debuted just fine aside from some twitter noise but there were a very loud vocal minority about not wanting the girls collabing with them. Some bs excuses were given but it got really toxic when Calli and Kronii did their individual collabs with them, BTW those streams were amazing, especially the one Kronii did with Vesper as her therapist. Anyways, seeing the heat many got really worried when Ame announced she was going to do a multi-stream worms tournament, if you haven't heard of the game it's just you controlling worms trying to take out the competition with guns and gadgets, but not only were ALL of the boys participating, two of them, Magni and Vesper, were going to be announcers. I can't say Ame was sole the reason the boys are now more welcomed, Kronii and Calli should take a lot of credit too, but Ame really did just set it in stone "the boys are here, deal with it, or I'll ground pound your mom."
This made me think. You've discussed the Leader(or "brains) of groups, how about discussing the "hearts" of groups? It seems every group has one. Just a thought. Glad to see your well crafted content again.
If you ask me, a leader is a specific drive, motivation, and maybe a bit of a feeling of moral responsibility. They don't do it for kayfabe or to paint themselves in a certain light, but because that's the kind of person they are and is something that just happens naturally. It has nothing to do with popularity but is more a God-given attribute from birth or was learned. You don't even have to acknowledge it, it's just something that happens.
@@hugoleonardo4863 Now that you mention it, everyone in Tempus is kinda one, whether it be in lore (Axel, Hakka and Shinri) and/or personality (basically everyone else, maybe excluding Bettel)
Putting away all the amazing work Ame has done as a fucking creative nuclear power plant, I always pictured Myth as something that revolved around Ame lore wise and I think Cover intended to keep the spotlight on her but Ame isn’t really into being the center of attention, then Calliope became the “spokesperson” after debuting, with her Trash taste appearances and other work, numbers wise Gura would be the “leader” but her streaming is her own thing. Kiara I’d say is the creative, never ending energy type, and would dare say she’s the impulse keeping her gen active as a unit. For Ina I can’t say much, not cause she’s not great, she is amazing but she mostly keeps to herself and silently helps out. Everyone of them has leader qualities but none of them like to hog that power or would really want the title.
Myth just a really balanced group overall that covers for each other extremely well. You can take any specific talent of a Myth girl, like singing or drawing or language, and you'll find two other members share it too, so they synergize very naturally and make the whole team stronger as result
If we gonna group them by the 5 man trope. It would be, Ame as the leader. Calli as the Lancer Kiara as the Heart Ina the brains And Gura as the powerhouse
@@m4skoo tbh Ame is the brain too, bit Ina should be "the temper" she is the calm for anyone's storm, she is really good at descalating and being clear in motives and situations
@@Ivan_RA yepp. Agree I do have an alternative one. Callis as the leader, cause she just feels like the alpha or the dad of the group Kiara as the Lancer or the second in command cause of her communication skills and also her Dancing skills Ina is the Heart of the group, that of which you mentioned Ina as the Brains cause of her Big Brain Innovative moves And Gura still the Powerhouse of the group
The relationship between an "Assigned" leader, that is the leader by assigned position or hiersrchy, and a "De Facto" leader, that is the conductor of a group by the actual group dynamics is by no means uncommon and often expected in professional settings. It's well studied and comes up the most in workspaces such as offices, so it's only natural that such dynamics are laid bare in agency idol groups.
amelia is not only the leader of myth, but kinda of the leader of council and to a point, even tempus behind the scenes (probably bringing support to magni and ragus behind the scenes)
I like ame being the lead because if there is a problem she does not just give up on the first hurdle of the porblem she always find a solution for example their smol 3d , alternative 3d and providing a studio for 3d for en members to use it too.
In tempus even though vanguard has shinri to fall back on when they needed help (bettel internet problems) I still think that he will also defer to altare as well.
Ame is the leader. In real life, she helps with others's projects, tech support, even things like making special models for Halloween. FACT is that Hololive English would be worse without her, because we wouldn't just miss her streams, EVERYONE'S streaming would be worse without her. She's the pillar the rest are built on. And from a lore standpoint, this cast of weird otherworldly mythic creatures being led by a human just... Makes sense, somehow.
Strange, as soon as you mention this, I immediately think of Fubuki. Her words/reactions REALLY weights how situation be seens across Hololive Fans across gens and branches. But no, maybe shes not the Leader coz shes not the one who calling shots. She's more like ambassador/representatives?
@@syaondri She's basically second in command within Hololive. Sora might be the face and mascot but Fubuki is the actually leader, who keep everyone in line. She said something before that if she think Hololive mistreat the other girls, she will quit the company
I have a friend who's a big fubuki fan and he said something similar. Other girls ask permision, have setbacks and delays, etc. Fubuki just does stuff all the time and noone seems to ever stop her in any way. From my point of view she is in fact as important as some gen0 members as she helps to organize a lot of projects.
I’m currently creating an AU for Amelia Watson as I’m essentially writing a large story arc that an original story based on her lore, time watch, and Kronii. And I agree 100%. This is one of the reasons why Amelia is my favorite out of Myth. Her investigation on the Myth girls, the time watch, the HoloCouncil, Kronii chasing Amelia down through the multiverse for said time watch, her relationship with Kronii, etc... There’s SO MUCH narrative potential here. There’s potential for a full character arc for Amelia and that’s basically what I’m doing for this AU. However, there’s only so much material that it’s the reason why it’s an original story. So, I can put my own spin on her lore. Will it be on par with Myth’s Bad Ending? Probably not since I don’t think it’s gonna be nearly as good but we’ll see. Amelia is overall so great.
Oh gosh I would like to read your fiction story about!! I wanna read it so bad if you do, let me know there can be premium reading! I had thoughts of Amelia Watson, as she has leadership vibes to me, for some reason. After she had accomplished everything what she been through (even things I haven’t heard or noticed much about of what happened that I missed out) Anyway that is something what the team needs even they don’t want it. Every team needs a leader or a person to take responsibility enough to help out to cooperate things (Sorry broken English 😅💦)
Yeah, I was also creating an AU for Ame, although because I like it, I'm trying to make mine a tragic AU. She's my oshi, of course, so my first Fanfic AU has to be about her, not to mention, being the only human among the bunch, its much easier to write for her as a character. I'm trying to incorporate as much existing lore as I can find, but since its not actually much you can make much of it yourself (which is a good thing, because it allows for more flexible writing).
@@darkevilazn oh it’s okay, you can take time as you want to. With the tragic theme mmm, that’s sounds tough to write such a complex way yet that is good enough as in AU she can be sacrifice anything until that.. moment there will be matter of life or death situation then she can’t never use her time travel ability ever again. (Perhaps that’s my opinion, but it might be as an example) :0
This reminded me of Crash Landing Studios' fan made animation of Amelia meeting Gura, and it kinda makes me imagine a whole plot line of Ame just slowly getting to discover and research these mythical beings like Death, The Pheonix, and an Eldritch Being. I'd watch an entire series based off of that ngl.
So basically being the leader can be whoever, viewers can view whoever as the leader. But the ones that put a lot of effort behind the scenes are seen as the true leaders. However, the true leader we know and love is non other than best girl yagoo.
Just look at some franchises Justice League: Batman The Avengers: Captain America In groups with super powers and gods these down to earth characters are the ones who know how to handle their teams, same for Watson, Ragus, Elira and Selen
Another important quality of a leader, at least to me, is the ability to support others. Leaders don't seek glory for themselves, but for the people around them instead. And that is also an aspect Amelia excels at. Her eagerness to help fellow holomem whenever she can is truly endearing. 💛
I'm guessing it's part of the lore that Bae is technically the "leader" of the EN Council but I honestly never saw her in that light UNTIL all the members came to Japan. That's when we REALLY got to see Bae shine as a true bridge between EN and JP. Despite there being many other EN members who can speak Japanese it was Bae that seemed to serve as the primary translator and instigator of inter-branch collabs.
I just love Altare as the HoloTempus leader, he's such a cinnamon roll. Especially when you're watching TSB, he's definitely the leader even though he's the lowest point xD
For Luxiem, I feel like they're a case of "all members have their specialties" to the point that each member in their specialized fields will be the one to influence or make decisions. Like, if someone wanted to make music, they'd go to Ike. If someone wanted to do something technical, they'd probably call Shu. Casing being that even if Luxiem had a leader in, it wouldn't feel like it because of how split among the members the traditional roles of a leader are.
Ame really is the best leader figure I've seen in the Vtubing industry so far. There is so much creativity packed into this detective it's just insane. HoloEN wouldn't have had this much growth without her. She not talented in singing and dancing. She is very knowledgeable, like actually smart, which being completely honest is quite rare in the streamer industry.
Ame is without contest the most respected Vtuber by her peers. She inspires others, can find talents, collab with them and nurture them (Walfie, seafoamboy, Kanauru, Kiara…). Someone you can trust and blindly follow, thus a real leader.
I wouldn't call Subaru the leader of Gen 2 either, I would see her more like an embassador. Her extroverted and friendly energy is perfect for making connections and building bridges. All the while she's also professional and likeable to keep those interactions genuine and grounded (not to mention funny given how she's a natural comedian whether she wants it or not) I'd love to see you tackle the topic of "Staying in character" if possible. I'd like to hear the differences it makes when a VTuber sticks to their gimmick or when they don't really take it too seriously. Like, Calli didn't take her "cool reaper" thing too far and delved more into her own personality but someone like Luna or Sakamata seem remain in character more.
if we go by Gen classifications the "official" leaders of each Gen (heavily implied by the members themselves) are: Gen 0- Sora Gen 1-FBK Gen 2- Aqua Gen 3- Marine Gen 4- Coco Gen 5- Botan Gen 6- Lui Myth- Ame CouncilRyS- Bae note: this is NOT based on each Gen's lore, but based on the members' opinions themselves. popularity or sub count is also NOT a factor.
@@MikaHolic_Channel_OFFICIAL ngl, i think gen 0 would be miko. Sora feels more like the de factor leader while miko is the de jure. Miko is always the one with the plan and usually the one who made the gen 0 actually unite. Sora feels more like the face or mascot. Suisei as the lancer, the overachiever one. Roboco probably as the heart of the group and azki as the chill mature one.
For Myth if anyone doesn't think Ame is the leader is crazy. You gotta give her credit for all the behind the scenes shit she's done. I mean she turned her whole room into a 3d tracking studio for a lot of their 3d shit. For Council idk who the leader is but I say it's Bae. Maybe not the LEADER but more of the moral support leader.
Coming back to this video 5 months and 2 Hololive group debuts later and the idea is still quite interesting. Shiori is unequivocally the leader of Advent not just from the perspective that all the members directly SAY that she's the leader but also given the fact that she seems to be the one who wrangles them all together. I also initially thought that she was the heart of the group given the particular way she interacts with her fans but now I'm starting to wonder if that role shouldn't instead be labeled upon Bijou. With ReGLOSS, Ririka is clearly the leader of the group and seems to just be the one who had her shit together the best with the others kind of scraping along and doing what they can. Ririka also seems like she might be the heart of the group as well and I was absolutely stunned with just how good she is at English during her collab with Bijou yesterday. This is also why I feel like Bijou might in fact be the heart of Advent because she's not afraid to go out there and collab with other members and this makes it seem like Ririka might be the same.
I just had a nightmare about deadlines. It's been almost 10 years since I graduated uni. When I wake up. I always tell myself. "It's OK ur not in uni anymore.
When we don't know how or who started the project, it's hard to see who is the leader. Tokino Sora explained that projects involving more members are always exhausting and everyone is doing their own part. It's funny how she explained hololive activities, she don't ask collabs because her position often obligates/pressure the other member to join, and this is not what she wants to happen, it becomes more exhausting and bad experience. Each member is free to choose and focus on what they want to do. She wants to add experience that can help for future activities.
10:55 About Ame being the leader, I'm glad you mention this part about it being something of a burden. People might not be aware of this but both Ame and Kiara have directly commented on this: Ame mentioning that while she appreciates the praise she feels it gets out of hand sometimes with people focusing too much on her and not on the others, that she's taking a break from doing event stuff to be more of a participant and Kiara mentioning that it's not really fair to expect Ame to always be the one in charge organizing them and dealing with the stress of the big VR collabs.
I think there is some internal competition for the position as well - as Watame while talking to Coco once admitted that they were trying to complete for lead role.
I think that's why they got along well with each other. The drive they had to do morning stream segments during the beginning of the Beer Bug™️ was phenomenal. AsaCoco and Watame no Uta were great.
Which type would be Shiori Novella? I believe she is the first type. Even though, I think, she is said in-lore to be the leader, after seeing many of their collab videos I am very tempted to say that she also is the defacto leader of Advent(as in due to her actions). She is the one that helps the most and honestly, without her the rest of Advent are basically chaos harbingers intent on causing havok wherever they go whatever they do.
An interesting dynamic which just plays into how brilliant Hololive has become with their generations is how JP Gen 6 Holo X has played out. All 5 talents are different yet amazing and come together to create a really interesting group. According to the lore, Laplus is the "leader" with Lui as the executive which immediately gives off the idea that Lui is ACTUALLY the leader and Laplus is just the figurehead. In practice...this turns out to be exactly the case because Hololive seemed to pay more attention to the individual talents' skills and personalities beforehand so that it directly translated into their characters.
i think everyone agree that the best leader in vtuber right now Shibuya Hal because the way he handle Vsaikyou is amazing. its still the best tourney in vtuber era. the way he invites Hololive, Nijisanji, Vspo and other agency and Indie to participate in serious tournament is unmatch. he also make his own agency neo-porte.
It's wild that Watson isn't the Leader of Myth but also Council to an extent and might be to En gen 3. Amelia is really a Powerhouse behind the scenes.
She really likes being the leader despite being so nervous, she was the leader from the Resistance, she is Akukin kensetsu leader and founder, amd she also organized the first 2nd gen collab
@@Uladzya she is, but on the other hand she is a beast, diamond rank in LoL, Master rank in Apex, she beat Dark souls remastered in 3 hours, and Sekiro in one hour, then she did it without healing and then without taking damage
@@Uladzya a lot actually, she commits and delivers every time she can, I can only talk about games because thats her main content, but you can tell that irl, behind the scenes she really is commited to her genmates, as I said, she is shy, anxious, and an introvert, but with this kind of thing she shows her other side, is like the reluctant leader, but when she speaks everyone listens
Amelia Watson was ALWAYS going to be a time traveler. She didn't make it up, it was originally part of her kayfabe, but it was cut from her debut stream due to time constraints. It was re-added post debut to realign herself with her kayfabe. Source: Her 1 year debut rewatch.
I'm about 30 now, and in my life, I have been with good, bad, and mediocre leaders. And now I am a leader myself. And for me, the most important part of a leader - their primary task above all else, is to make sure the group they are leading continue to function in a healthy and productive manner. And the important skills I primarily associate with a good leader are problem solving, compassion, selflessness, and being calm and collected. And I think Amelia Watson is an amazing leader. And although we haven't had as much time with him as Ame, I think Regis Altare is showing signs of being a good leader.
Altare’s calmness and focus really stands on as a leader in a squad / unit kinda way. Especially from the recent vsaikyo tsb arc. Ame is leader just watch the vod 😂. Some info for those who dont follow tempus
1000th like As for what constitutes as leader... when the title is *this* informal, it means the position is fluid and early leader may step back as the group dynamics changes.
I agree with this video. If I may make an example: Kiryu Coco was the 1st type of Leader she had The personality, Charisma, and BEHIND the scenes Push to get things Done.. Didn't need the Title by Holo, but she Was really Really Seen as such by management, The community... Selen Tatsuki Is seen as the 2nd type, seen as "leader" but idk who is the leader of Obsidya tbh... 🤷🏼♂️ Love selen btw.
Just a question. Based on each branch on Hololive who is the leader of each branch? I'm just curious. Holomyth, Amelia Watson obviously. Gen 4, Kiryu Coco Gen 2, Minato Aqua Gen 1, Is it Fubuki? Gen 0, Sora is the first person that came to my mind. Gen 5, ............... Botan. Gen 6, La Plus probably? No, it's Lui Gen 3, Pekora or Marine? If it's really Flare, can you enlighten me why? Because I don't watch Flare's streams Feel free to correct me because I don't know anything.
Well since you didn't say much about Bae (aside from a solid pun) and I didn't see anyone else chime in on the subject, but you did show her, I might as well throw in my 2 cents there. Unlike Myth I think Council has a less strong leader dynamic, I think Bae still qualifies as leader for her gen in the actual and lore wise sense. (Well we know she counts as such lore wise, it got mentioned a lot early on, even if it rarely does lately.) She's the one who made sure IRyS was effectively added into their gen so she wouldn't be left in an awkward all alone position and she has taken a lead or co-lead position on at least a few of the larger projects (like the last Halloween collab). And of course she's the one of that gen that's always trying to do new creative things. (And honestly if this sounds like she's deliberately attempting to be somewhat like Ame is for Myth, that's probably because that's how it actually is. As she's said before that Ame was an inspiration for how she wanted to be. She might not have the same skillsets as Ame, but she's clearly got that same kind of creative drive.) As for Kiara who you also pictured and some others in the comments have mentioned. I do think that in some ways she does take a leadership positions at times. She's the one who organizes a lot of the collabs and events that happen, in the sense of coming up with ideas for events and getting others on board/on track with participating in them. (Two notable examples would be the all the Christmas stuff and the Easter collab.) At the end of the day Ame's achievements, continuing innovation, and most importantly the fact that the rest of Myth considers her the leader means she is unquestionably "the leader", I would think Kiara has the role of either "co-leader" or perhaps "secondary leader".
Kiara i would call her a vanguard, she breaks though on other front to make things possible, ame is a true general making other things happen and supporting them forntheir first 3D etc
I did kinda push for years that if Ame ever wants to get into the management side of things. She could easily be the one that runs the Hololive EN offices.
I agree. It’s silly to expect that every group needs to have a “leader.” HoloMyth is filled with experienced, talented, ambitious, introverted individualists who know how to do their jobs on their own. In the beginning, due to language and COVID issues, I’m sure that some members used their talents to help others in the group where appropriate. Amelia Watson does have outstanding technical, organizational, creative, managerial, and leadership abilities. But I don’t know if anyone from HoloMyth dominates the group in a way that they could be called a “leader” of the group.
@@my2iu the talent themselves called ame their leader. It's not the fanbase who made it up dude, try rewatching the first holomyth anniversary where they used the 3d walfie and the kfp dance school.
Ame and Altare are the trope because it's their lore Ame is basically batman with the justice league and Altare is the one who started the guild What cements them as leaders tho is Ame's innovation and hard carrying behind the scenes stuff and Altare's care and dedication for his genmates Everyone else it's a title given as the situation demands it like kiara and axel setting up huge collabs, fauna hard carrying the ender dragon boss fight Niji feels like a bunch of bros having a good time with no clear leader tbh and used more as a "i don't want to do this you do it" or "idk what I'm doing so tag you're it" which happens to fall to the same few people usually, if anything
Regarding your first 3 definitions of what fans consider a leader I think we can make use of the typical 5 man band trope. The most popular of the wave is "the big guy". This doesnt have to be the most physically big but its usually associated with reliability and presence. For example in Avatar: TLA toph was the big guy of the group even though she was the smallest height wise and yes this does mean I consider gura the big guy of holomyth. The generalist I would consider either the brain of the group or the lancer. The one who brings all together is the heart. The biggest draw of a leader in my opinion is their agency within the group. If the group needs to make a big decision the one that is respected the most and which decision seem to hold more weight is usually the leader
Leader comes from the word "Lead" and that's basically the whole point of it, some can say the one that bring fame to the group is the leader, some say the one that keep the groups together would be the one, or others can say the one who is the most talented and skillful should be the leader. But no, that's not the point If you look at someone and their action constantly inspire their group and people around them to dream even more, wanting to be even more, even just a little. That person is the leader.
HoloX might have been a better group to examine this leadership question because unfortunately Nousagi is extremely bias when it comes to Ameila (as he admits here at 5:44) and HoloX has a clear execution of this leader trope that can be examine front and back vs the largely fanon with Myth.
Couldn't agree more Perfectly said The community is big and we all have different opinions, and each has their own solid views But we can all agree that people like Ame are the leader hands down, it's hard to put into words just saying she plan n deal with things in the back along doesn't quite cut it. It's that plus more as to why anyone who knows myth can agree she is the leader. Great video love to see more like this
Interesting that you showed pippa there, if I recall correctly it is more common for tenma to be on the forfront constantly arguing with the fishman about company stuff, plus normally tenma being the one to be the lead voice during big collabs
You know the Book size meme? The large book would be 'Holomyth lore', and the small book would be 'Holomyth lore if Amelia Watson wasn't a time traveler'. Probably one of the best character additions one could think of, and it sparked so many great things by the community, Myth's Bad Ending being an example of that
Be ame
-spearheaded and popularized most of the projects and bits
-doesnt acknowledge her achievement
-doesnt elaborate
-doesnt leave
As one of the ID Streamers would say : _AME-AME OOOOOHHH 😫😫_
-ground pounds your mom
I would call them a group of five. Ame is the leader, but also the smart one, Mori os the strong guy, Kiara is the lancer, Ina is the smart guy (since she's the one with a scientist outfit), and Gura is the heart... Because she's cute.
@_*ZAPATOZ*_ actually a novelist... And making use of that trope in my books.
@@alfianfahmi5430 bro I'm sorry to say this but, it's not funny in this comment section
friendly reminder that our beloved gremlin wasn't just an ordinary human... she's supposed to be a brit.
Arguably the most mythical being in EN
Yeap we def can't over look that
Quote from ina 'Ame is not human she's British'
Can you imagine if she kept the britishness? How powerful woul she be?
*looks at Rin Penrose*
OH FU--
The only bri'ish i respect.
@@columbien10 Grim reaper? Sure. Atlantian shark gir? Okay. Phoenix? Yeah. Eldrich horror girl? Of course. Time traveler? Why not? She’s also British….well that’s just absurd.
Even if you don't consider Ame as Myth's leader, you can't deny her influence to the group and the sheer amount of stuff she breathed life into. The Vtuber world would be so much different now if Ame didn't show up 2 years ago, and I'm not even kidding.
I think its a little dated tho, feels like she has been on a bit of an island as of late. I feel like Kiara is the one that gets shit done these days
@@_heartunderblade2451 well, just because she's been out for a bit doesn't nullify her leadership over the past years. She's always been the one to lead the EN and it doesn't look like that will change in the near future.
@@_heartunderblade2451 yup. She even said herself that she wants other people to take the lead in projects while she just helps from behind the scenes, since I'm sure she's was/is feeling burn out for being the leader of... Well almost everything for the past few years. It's actually a sign of good leadership to help someone/coworkers to take more responsibility and improve themselves so that they can get experience as well.
A decent leader stands at the front leads the followers behind.
A great leader brings everyone to their level and leads with them.
@@_heartunderblade2451
Nah, she has a lot of stuff going in the background, she just doesn't announce them. She prefers surprises after all. And to be honest I don't get why people expect vtubers to just bring out new and unique content nonstop like some untiring machine. Ame is just human in lore and IRL, and Ame living her life or just getting some rest every once in a while shouldn't be a surprise. She already has contributed a ton of stuff not just to Myth but to the vtuber world as a whole, that expecting her to continously top that is just unfair.
And she still does streams anyways (in Twitch too). And they are always fun. Her recent 3D walking streams are also new and unique, and I won't be surprised if other vtubers use her idea, just like the feet-on-desk and smol ame trends to pick a few.
We Teamates at least, are aware that Ame has tons of stuff she's planning to do and I'm sure she's just looking for the right people to hire or for technology to catch up.
She is certainly has always been a bit of the main lead even though Gura is the most popular.
For Holox, Laplus is supposed to be the leader according to the lore, but i always viewed Lui as the "actual" leader due to how supportive she is to her genmates, like a mama caring for her daughters
A power behind the throne sort of thing. The advisor the leader always listens to.
Funny enough, that is how it is shown in the Holox manga as well. Laplus is the boss, but Lui is the leader 😅.
Even in that case their lore heavily implies that it’s really Liu that’s holding the entire organisation together behind the scenes.
Iirc Lui is considered the "real leader" even in lore. On 90% of official media, laplus is portrayed as a "leader" who spends most of her time doing nothing while Lui is out there getting everything done while also taking care of laplus
@@erfanthered9801 isn't the holox lore that laplus is the founder and leader but because of laziness she put lui in the executive position to run it?
For Luxiem, it's a weird case cuz, like Nousagi already said, Vox has his immense influence and Luca with his kayfabe. Then you have Mysta who organized the group game show collabs (Vox admitting that his game show was inspired by Mysta). Then there's Shu and Ike who have noticeable influence in and out of their group, where Ike helps with music covers and Shu with his trademarked Shupport.
Luxiem is most balance wave/gen ever.
For me, Holomyth is seen as an idol group, which normally does have a leader. Luxiem feels more like a group of bros who chill together, and I think that's why there isn't an apparent leader for them.
A little context on how the boys see Altare: Vesper has said before (not direct quote) that Altare is really great at motivating the group with his down to Earth personality. He's also somewhat a jack of all trades in his content when other members have a particular focus. Vesper is the "King of Zatsudans", Magni is the comedian and Axel has a stronger focus on music and his unseiso moments. Altare does all of these things, but he's not too heavily spec'ed into one.
Its should always be the meek ones that can rise to the challenge and build up others that should lead
I would personally argue that Magni is the leader i the shadows mostly becuase he's the one running most of the group projects they do such as the april fools collab but Altare could be considered the heart of the group in the same way Kiara is the heart of Myth.
@@tjhunter9787 I personally think that magni is the playmaker/strategist while ragus is the leader but yeah ragus is the heart of the group
@@tjhunter9787 not really, I think while Magni is creative in his ideas Ragus is more of a rock, he is a calm level headed guy that can get his point across, even Vesper a literal 30+ year old admits Ragus is the most clear headed out of everyone in Tempus.
After seeing how he handled the situation and how he worked to keep TSB morale up during the toughest moments of vsaikyo, I can say with confidence I understand why he is the leader of Tempus
Its funny to think how Council dropped this concept almost immediately.
Probably because they eventually fell under Myth's umbrella and deferred to Amelia on things that needed behind the scenes leadership stuff.
Though I would say Bae seems to be on the "motivator" side of leadership.
There's also a point to be made about geographic distinctions creating to different types of leadership. Among HoloLive at least the ones disconnected physically from their branch like Bae, Haachama, and Kiara seem to develop their own sense of leadership on their own, since they kinda have to.
They realised a council of Gods couldn't stop or contain Ame and just settled into their vibe.
Like a video game where a villian joins your party after you beat them.
I mean in lore 5 of them had their own gods they just created as representative.
@@kyuven In lore, Bae is leader. And she's also the closest to being leader IRL as well. She also arguably has the highest power level, both in lore and IRL. The other EN girls keep saying how talented she is and how wide of a range she has.
@@doggypizza3948 that sounds like a hands off approach would cause a lot of chaos.
......seems legit.
I find it very interesting that you kept showing elira during this video. She’s definitely the leader of lazulight and could probably be considered the face of NijiEN, but based on your own definitions, the “leader” of the branch is almost certainly Selen
I agree with both of your points.
Nousagi did make it clear that the video was kind of an excuse to shill for Ame more, which might be why he didn’t explicitly state that Elira was Lazulght’s (agency-picked and community judged) leader.
Another interesting point to add to that is that both Elira and Selen are half-sisters in their lore, so seeing them both act as the leaders for their respective waves does make it seem like Niji was spot on by picking them
Welp
Ouch
To me, the leader is the person who steps up and tries to solve the difficulties. Ame has done this over and over again. Many just see her accomplishments and belittle it by saying she's "just" innovative. The 2 big examples are Holomyth's 3D debut and Tempus. Myth's first 3D debut was pushed back heavily and the fanbase was disappointed because it felt like a slap to the face to the achievements the Myth girls accomplished, and then boom, just a few months later Ame rallied everyone together and gave us what Hololive couldn't. Tempus, my god, the atmosphere back then was unsettling, and I know there were collabs between the boys and Myth/Council before but those did not quell it. Ame saw the backlash of the collabs and decided to go further than a simple collab with the boys, she made them key figures in this big, first time event. Laying it out flat and simple, if you want to make a big controversy about the boys being a part of it and any future events, then you're going to be ignored. Ame could've easily kept her involvement a secret but no, she stepped up and announced this as her project, she promoted it herself, and even made the boys front and center. She took control of the situation and publicly stated this is the new norm, deal with it.
well said.
Wait, can someone catch me up on that whole thing? I'm mostly a Niji fan at this point so I miss a lot of Holo news these days, but that sounds epic.
@@niyo919 the bit about the boys? Np, Tempus debuted just fine aside from some twitter noise but there were a very loud vocal minority about not wanting the girls collabing with them. Some bs excuses were given but it got really toxic when Calli and Kronii did their individual collabs with them, BTW those streams were amazing, especially the one Kronii did with Vesper as her therapist.
Anyways, seeing the heat many got really worried when Ame announced she was going to do a multi-stream worms tournament, if you haven't heard of the game it's just you controlling worms trying to take out the competition with guns and gadgets, but not only were ALL of the boys participating, two of them, Magni and Vesper, were going to be announcers. I can't say Ame was sole the reason the boys are now more welcomed, Kronii and Calli should take a lot of credit too, but Ame really did just set it in stone "the boys are here, deal with it, or I'll ground pound your mom."
@@efrainlagunasame "CHAD" watson
This made me think. You've discussed the Leader(or "brains) of groups, how about discussing the "hearts" of groups? It seems every group has one. Just a thought.
Glad to see your well crafted content again.
damn. u literally just predicted the next video i was about to upload 3 weeks from now
@@DepressedNousagi Lmao! Much obliged, good sir! Am most definitely looking forward to it! Lol
DN gonna make the 5 man group trope confirmee
If you ask me, a leader is a specific drive, motivation, and maybe a bit of a feeling of moral responsibility. They don't do it for kayfabe or to paint themselves in a certain light, but because that's the kind of person they are and is something that just happens naturally. It has nothing to do with popularity but is more a God-given attribute from birth or was learned. You don't even have to acknowledge it, it's just something that happens.
Dwayne Johnson rap incoming
@@stroodlepup *IT'S ABOUT DRIVE*
I like how an emerging kayfabe in Tempus is Magni is 'trying' to steal Altare's leadership position.
I love how Vesper is like a antihero in Tempus 😝
@@hugoleonardo4863 Now that you mention it, everyone in Tempus is kinda one, whether it be in lore (Axel, Hakka and Shinri) and/or personality (basically everyone else, maybe excluding Bettel)
Megatron, Starscream, Soundwave, and Devastator
Regis's pep talk at the end of the TSB match was enough to sell me on him being the leader.
He also needed to keep Selen and Axel from being too unseiso because Axel's monetization is deadge
Axel almost malding from match stress and our boy Regis there to suck it out.
Do you have a link for that?
@@tsjeriAu
Just watch the last minutes in his Vsaikyo tournament stream.
@@ryanlorenzo5003 DON'T WALLOW TSB IS HERE TO SWALLOW!!!
Putting away all the amazing work Ame has done as a fucking creative nuclear power plant, I always pictured Myth as something that revolved around Ame lore wise and I think Cover intended to keep the spotlight on her but Ame isn’t really into being the center of attention, then Calliope became the “spokesperson” after debuting, with her Trash taste appearances and other work, numbers wise Gura would be the “leader” but her streaming is her own thing. Kiara I’d say is the creative, never ending energy type, and would dare say she’s the impulse keeping her gen active as a unit. For Ina I can’t say much, not cause she’s not great, she is amazing but she mostly keeps to herself and silently helps out. Everyone of them has leader qualities but none of them like to hog that power or would really want the title.
Myth just a really balanced group overall that covers for each other extremely well. You can take any specific talent of a Myth girl, like singing or drawing or language, and you'll find two other members share it too, so they synergize very naturally and make the whole team stronger as result
If we gonna group them by the 5 man trope.
It would be, Ame as the leader.
Calli as the Lancer
Kiara as the Heart
Ina the brains
And Gura as the powerhouse
@@m4skoo tbh Ame is the brain too, bit Ina should be "the temper" she is the calm for anyone's storm, she is really good at descalating and being clear in motives and situations
@@Ivan_RA yepp. Agree
I do have an alternative one.
Callis as the leader, cause she just feels like the alpha or the dad of the group
Kiara as the Lancer or the second in command cause of her communication skills and also her Dancing skills
Ina is the Heart of the group, that of which you mentioned
Ina as the Brains cause of her Big Brain Innovative moves
And Gura still the Powerhouse of the group
The relationship between an "Assigned" leader, that is the leader by assigned position or hiersrchy, and a "De Facto" leader, that is the conductor of a group by the actual group dynamics is by no means uncommon and often expected in professional settings.
It's well studied and comes up the most in workspaces such as offices, so it's only natural that such dynamics are laid bare in agency idol groups.
Laplus and Lui are a pretty obvious example that leans into this both in lore and irl.
amelia is not only the leader of myth, but kinda of the leader of council and to a point, even tempus behind the scenes (probably bringing support to magni and ragus behind the scenes)
so your saying all of HoloEN in a way? gotcha
basically the leader of holoEN
I like ame being the lead because if there is a problem she does not just give up on the first hurdle of the porblem she always find a solution for example their smol 3d , alternative 3d and providing a studio for 3d for en members to use it too.
In tempus even though vanguard has shinri to fall back on when they needed help (bettel internet problems) I still think that he will also defer to altare as well.
@@7andaswitchblade Mumei has mentioned asking Ame for help with some things and I think Kronii and fauna as well
Ame is the leader. In real life, she helps with others's projects, tech support, even things like making special models for Halloween. FACT is that Hololive English would be worse without her, because we wouldn't just miss her streams, EVERYONE'S streaming would be worse without her. She's the pillar the rest are built on. And from a lore standpoint, this cast of weird otherworldly mythic creatures being led by a human just... Makes sense, somehow.
EN VTubing in general probably would have had a set back. She did set a lot of trends in motion.
Shonen protag, she is.
Strange, as soon as you mention this, I immediately think of Fubuki. Her words/reactions REALLY weights how situation be seens across Hololive Fans across gens and branches. But no, maybe shes not the Leader coz shes not the one who calling shots. She's more like ambassador/representatives?
She is the leader of Gamers so you're correct
@@syaondri She's basically second in command within Hololive. Sora might be the face and mascot but Fubuki is the actually leader, who keep everyone in line. She said something before that if she think Hololive mistreat the other girls, she will quit the company
@@cuongquoc5877 i think she's more like the spokeperson rather than second in command
Fubuki is the pillar of hololive.
I have a friend who's a big fubuki fan and he said something similar. Other girls ask permision, have setbacks and delays, etc. Fubuki just does stuff all the time and noone seems to ever stop her in any way. From my point of view she is in fact as important as some gen0 members as she helps to organize a lot of projects.
I can say that at this point, Luca is the kusogaki brother of Luxiem but can lead NijiAU at times
Maria is the one that leads NijiAU
@@ink8027 I said at times.
I’m currently creating an AU for Amelia Watson as I’m essentially writing a large story arc that an original story based on her lore, time watch, and Kronii.
And I agree 100%. This is one of the reasons why Amelia is my favorite out of Myth. Her investigation on the Myth girls, the time watch, the HoloCouncil, Kronii chasing Amelia down through the multiverse for said time watch, her relationship with Kronii, etc... There’s SO MUCH narrative potential here.
There’s potential for a full character arc for Amelia and that’s basically what I’m doing for this AU. However, there’s only so much material that it’s the reason why it’s an original story. So, I can put my own spin on her lore.
Will it be on par with Myth’s Bad Ending? Probably not since I don’t think it’s gonna be nearly as good but we’ll see.
Amelia is overall so great.
Oh gosh I would like to read your fiction story about!! I wanna read it so bad if you do, let me know there can be premium reading!
I had thoughts of Amelia Watson, as she has leadership vibes to me, for some reason. After she had accomplished everything what she been through (even things I haven’t heard or noticed much about of what happened that I missed out)
Anyway that is something what the team needs even they don’t want it. Every team needs a leader or a person to take responsibility enough to help out to cooperate things
(Sorry broken English 😅💦)
Yeah, I was also creating an AU for Ame, although because I like it, I'm trying to make mine a tragic AU. She's my oshi, of course, so my first Fanfic AU has to be about her, not to mention, being the only human among the bunch, its much easier to write for her as a character. I'm trying to incorporate as much existing lore as I can find, but since its not actually much you can make much of it yourself (which is a good thing, because it allows for more flexible writing).
@@darkevilazn oh it’s okay, you can take time as you want to. With the tragic theme mmm, that’s sounds tough to write such a complex way yet that is good enough as in AU she can be sacrifice anything until that.. moment there will be matter of life or death situation then she can’t never use her time travel ability ever again. (Perhaps that’s my opinion, but it might be as an example) :0
If you finish it, where would you post it? On AO3? FF. Net? Or maybe elsewhere?
This reminded me of Crash Landing Studios' fan made animation of Amelia meeting Gura, and it kinda makes me imagine a whole plot line of Ame just slowly getting to discover and research these mythical beings like Death, The Pheonix, and an Eldritch Being. I'd watch an entire series based off of that ngl.
So basically being the leader can be whoever, viewers can view whoever as the leader. But the ones that put a lot of effort behind the scenes are seen as the true leaders. However, the true leader we know and love is non other than best girl yagoo.
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Yes yagoo best girl
You have a VERY good point. If it wasn't for Yagoo, Hololive wouldn't have happened in the first place
Just look at some franchises
Justice League: Batman
The Avengers: Captain America
In groups with super powers and gods these down to earth characters are the ones who know how to handle their teams, same for Watson, Ragus, Elira and Selen
Funny how you showed Pippa when talking about leaders, because we all know that Tenma is actually the one calling the shots in Phase Connect
Another important quality of a leader, at least to me, is the ability to support others. Leaders don't seek glory for themselves, but for the people around them instead.
And that is also an aspect Amelia excels at. Her eagerness to help fellow holomem whenever she can is truly endearing. 💛
I'm guessing it's part of the lore that Bae is technically the "leader" of the EN Council but I honestly never saw her in that light UNTIL all the members came to Japan. That's when we REALLY got to see Bae shine as a true bridge between EN and JP. Despite there being many other EN members who can speak Japanese it was Bae that seemed to serve as the primary translator and instigator of inter-branch collabs.
I just love Altare as the HoloTempus leader, he's such a cinnamon roll. Especially when you're watching TSB, he's definitely the leader even though he's the lowest point xD
For Luxiem, I feel like they're a case of "all members have their specialties" to the point that each member in their specialized fields will be the one to influence or make decisions. Like, if someone wanted to make music, they'd go to Ike. If someone wanted to do something technical, they'd probably call Shu. Casing being that even if Luxiem had a leader in, it wouldn't feel like it because of how split among the members the traditional roles of a leader are.
Ame really is the best leader figure I've seen in the Vtubing industry so far. There is so much creativity packed into this detective it's just insane. HoloEN wouldn't have had this much growth without her. She not talented in singing and dancing. She is very knowledgeable, like actually smart, which being completely honest is quite rare in the streamer industry.
Imagine a Gen-classed leadership being based on algorithm-dependent statistical popularity...
id rather not
Pls no, I like Goomba but she is definitely not a leader material. And that's ok.
Time to write an AU fanfic
@@GamePlayerEye Yeah, one where everyone switched personalities.
I'm glad you're uploading again
Ame is without contest the most respected Vtuber by her peers. She inspires others, can find talents, collab with them and nurture them (Walfie, seafoamboy, Kanauru, Kiara…).
Someone you can trust and blindly follow, thus a real leader.
I wouldn't call Subaru the leader of Gen 2 either, I would see her more like an embassador. Her extroverted and friendly energy is perfect for making connections and building bridges. All the while she's also professional and likeable to keep those interactions genuine and grounded (not to mention funny given how she's a natural comedian whether she wants it or not)
I'd love to see you tackle the topic of "Staying in character" if possible. I'd like to hear the differences it makes when a VTuber sticks to their gimmick or when they don't really take it too seriously.
Like, Calli didn't take her "cool reaper" thing too far and delved more into her own personality but someone like Luna or Sakamata seem remain in character more.
Yeah, Subaru is more like a Lancer Archetype. The Shinpachi of the group.
if we go by Gen classifications the "official" leaders of each Gen (heavily implied by the members themselves) are:
Gen 0- Sora
Gen 1-FBK
Gen 2- Aqua
Gen 3- Marine
Gen 4- Coco
Gen 5- Botan
Gen 6- Lui
Myth- Ame
CouncilRyS- Bae
note: this is NOT based on each Gen's lore, but based on the members' opinions themselves. popularity or sub count is also NOT a factor.
I dunno about "Leader" like Ame but Shuba is definitly the most protagonist/main character material one in Hololive (JP).
@@MikaHolic_Channel_OFFICIAL ngl, i think gen 0 would be miko. Sora feels more like the de factor leader while miko is the de jure. Miko is always the one with the plan and usually the one who made the gen 0 actually unite. Sora feels more like the face or mascot. Suisei as the lancer, the overachiever one. Roboco probably as the heart of the group and azki as the chill mature one.
I never knew this type of trope , interesting vod.
For Myth if anyone doesn't think Ame is the leader is crazy. You gotta give her credit for all the behind the scenes shit she's done. I mean she turned her whole room into a 3d tracking studio for a lot of their 3d shit. For Council idk who the leader is but I say it's Bae. Maybe not the LEADER but more of the moral support leader.
Coming back to this video 5 months and 2 Hololive group debuts later and the idea is still quite interesting. Shiori is unequivocally the leader of Advent not just from the perspective that all the members directly SAY that she's the leader but also given the fact that she seems to be the one who wrangles them all together. I also initially thought that she was the heart of the group given the particular way she interacts with her fans but now I'm starting to wonder if that role shouldn't instead be labeled upon Bijou. With ReGLOSS, Ririka is clearly the leader of the group and seems to just be the one who had her shit together the best with the others kind of scraping along and doing what they can. Ririka also seems like she might be the heart of the group as well and I was absolutely stunned with just how good she is at English during her collab with Bijou yesterday. This is also why I feel like Bijou might in fact be the heart of Advent because she's not afraid to go out there and collab with other members and this makes it seem like Ririka might be the same.
thanks for uploading this, I really needed a distraction from finishing an essay that's due in exactly an hour and a half
I just had a nightmare about deadlines. It's been almost 10 years since I graduated uni. When I wake up. I always tell myself. "It's OK ur not in uni anymore.
Bro i feel you
So, an hour later. Is it getting done?
it is done and I got an A, ez
i LOVE this new trope thing u have on ur channel now, KEEP IT UP I LOVE IT SO INTERESTING
When we don't know how or who started the project, it's hard to see who is the leader.
Tokino Sora explained that projects involving more members are always exhausting and everyone is doing their own part.
It's funny how she explained hololive activities, she don't ask collabs because her position often obligates/pressure the other member to join, and this is not what she wants to happen, it becomes more exhausting and bad experience. Each member is free to choose and focus on what they want to do. She wants to add experience that can help for future activities.
Appreciate the Aqua mention, she really is the secret leader that supports and is capable of bringing GEN 2 together lol
Minato Aqua can make miracles happen.
Huh, and I thought Ina was the human among Myth since Ame is british
Ina is human
Inaff
*bri'ish
OOF
INAccurate
Like dang Nousagi, you're dropping so many videos like it's nothing- so glad to have you back!
If anyone knows the amount of skills and talents Akutan has they can easily guess who is the one planning everything in gen 2 .
10:55 About Ame being the leader, I'm glad you mention this part about it being something of a burden. People might not be aware of this but both Ame and Kiara have directly commented on this: Ame mentioning that while she appreciates the praise she feels it gets out of hand sometimes with people focusing too much on her and not on the others, that she's taking a break from doing event stuff to be more of a participant and Kiara mentioning that it's not really fair to expect Ame to always be the one in charge organizing them and dealing with the stress of the big VR collabs.
I think there is some internal competition for the position as well - as Watame while talking to Coco once admitted that they were trying to complete for lead role.
I think that's why they got along well with each other. The drive they had to do morning stream segments during the beginning of the Beer Bug™️ was phenomenal. AsaCoco and Watame no Uta were great.
All Tempuras know how much the boys respect Altare as their leader. It shouldn't even be doubted at this point.
Amelia Watson = Okabe Rintarou
The mad scientist and The Mad Bri'ish
Our shy introverted Onion is secretly a gigachad leader behind the scenes 😂
Which type would be Shiori Novella?
I believe she is the first type.
Even though, I think, she is said in-lore to be the leader, after seeing many of their collab videos I am very tempted to say that she also is the defacto leader of Advent(as in due to her actions).
She is the one that helps the most and honestly, without her the rest of Advent are basically chaos harbingers intent on causing havok wherever they go whatever they do.
An interesting dynamic which just plays into how brilliant Hololive has become with their generations is how JP Gen 6 Holo X has played out. All 5 talents are different yet amazing and come together to create a really interesting group. According to the lore, Laplus is the "leader" with Lui as the executive which immediately gives off the idea that Lui is ACTUALLY the leader and Laplus is just the figurehead. In practice...this turns out to be exactly the case because Hololive seemed to pay more attention to the individual talents' skills and personalities beforehand so that it directly translated into their characters.
i think everyone agree that the best leader in vtuber right now Shibuya Hal because the way he handle Vsaikyou is amazing. its still the best tourney in vtuber era. the way he invites Hololive, Nijisanji, Vspo and other agency and Indie to participate in serious tournament is unmatch.
he also make his own agency neo-porte.
It's wild that Watson isn't the Leader of Myth but also Council to an extent and might be to En gen 3. Amelia is really a Powerhouse behind the scenes.
Heya, how doing? Glad to see another video.
Watson is like Batman: just a human, but boy is she A master of tact, improvisation, and leadership.
Aqua is responsible for most of the activities and events for Gen 2? That's unexpected(at least for me).
She really likes being the leader despite being so nervous, she was the leader from the Resistance, she is Akukin kensetsu leader and founder, amd she also organized the first 2nd gen collab
@Iván R.A. I have watched only a few clips of her, and usually, she's shown as an extreme introvert who can barely communicate even with one person.
@@Uladzya she is, but on the other hand she is a beast, diamond rank in LoL, Master rank in Apex, she beat Dark souls remastered in 3 hours, and Sekiro in one hour, then she did it without healing and then without taking damage
@Iván R.A. Excuse me, but how's that connected with organizing events, which involves not a little amount of people?
@@Uladzya a lot actually, she commits and delivers every time she can, I can only talk about games because thats her main content, but you can tell that irl, behind the scenes she really is commited to her genmates, as I said, she is shy, anxious, and an introvert, but with this kind of thing she shows her other side, is like the reluctant leader, but when she speaks everyone listens
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I'm 49 seconds late.
By the way, your choice of BGM is cultured.
As a sapling, Fauna's appeal (for me) is very sinilar to ina's (im also a Takodachi)
Her streams are so cozy
She's the leader of the group.
You know her well.
She's finally back!
To kick some tail!
Amelia Watson was ALWAYS going to be a time traveler. She didn't make it up, it was originally part of her kayfabe, but it was cut from her debut stream due to time constraints. It was re-added post debut to realign herself with her kayfabe.
Source: Her 1 year debut rewatch.
I'm about 30 now, and in my life, I have been with good, bad, and mediocre leaders. And now I am a leader myself. And for me, the most important part of a leader - their primary task above all else, is to make sure the group they are leading continue to function in a healthy and productive manner. And the important skills I primarily associate with a good leader are problem solving, compassion, selflessness, and being calm and collected. And I think Amelia Watson is an amazing leader. And although we haven't had as much time with him as Ame, I think Regis Altare is showing signs of being a good leader.
Dude, talking about a good leader whilst showing Elira is such a fucking foreshadowing. Omg
every group has their amazing leader.
Altare’s calmness and focus really stands on as a leader in a squad / unit kinda way. Especially from the recent vsaikyo tsb arc.
Ame is leader just watch the vod 😂. Some info for those who dont follow tempus
And all this time I thought the leader was the red one
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As for what constitutes as leader... when the title is *this* informal, it means the position is fluid and early leader may step back as the group dynamics changes.
I figured that this video was going to mostly be about Ame... I'm not complaining though, she's awesome.
Same
Me too
I agree with this video.
If I may make an example: Kiryu Coco was the 1st type of Leader she had The personality, Charisma, and BEHIND the scenes Push to get things Done..
Didn't need the Title by Holo, but she Was really Really Seen as such by management, The community...
Selen Tatsuki Is seen as the 2nd type, seen as "leader" but idk who is the leader of Obsidya tbh...
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Love selen btw.
I view Selen as the Collab leader of Nijisanji. She made some iconic events and fan-favourite collab groups happen
Boy, did this not age well..
Ame isn’t the leader of her Gen. She is the entire EN branch’s leader.
Just a question.
Based on each branch on Hololive who is the leader of each branch?
I'm just curious.
Holomyth, Amelia Watson obviously.
Gen 4, Kiryu Coco
Gen 2, Minato Aqua
Gen 1, Is it Fubuki?
Gen 0, Sora is the first person that came to my mind.
Gen 5, ............... Botan.
Gen 6, La Plus probably? No, it's Lui
Gen 3, Pekora or Marine? If it's really Flare, can you enlighten me why? Because I don't watch Flare's streams
Feel free to correct me because I don't know anything.
Gen 6 seems like Lui... La+ is the mascot leader...
Gen 5: Botan
@@ChaosMind10531 aaah, that makes more sense to me now. Thank you.
From what I see, Gen5 pretty much solo but Botan as head with Polka as support
Fubuki is leader of both gen1 and gamer, no question with this one
ID as whole, moona (risu as "yang dituakan/segani")
Well since you didn't say much about Bae (aside from a solid pun) and I didn't see anyone else chime in on the subject, but you did show her, I might as well throw in my 2 cents there.
Unlike Myth I think Council has a less strong leader dynamic, I think Bae still qualifies as leader for her gen in the actual and lore wise sense. (Well we know she counts as such lore wise, it got mentioned a lot early on, even if it rarely does lately.)
She's the one who made sure IRyS was effectively added into their gen so she wouldn't be left in an awkward all alone position and she has taken a lead or co-lead position on at least a few of the larger projects (like the last Halloween collab). And of course she's the one of that gen that's always trying to do new creative things.
(And honestly if this sounds like she's deliberately attempting to be somewhat like Ame is for Myth, that's probably because that's how it actually is. As she's said before that Ame was an inspiration for how she wanted to be. She might not have the same skillsets as Ame, but she's clearly got that same kind of creative drive.)
As for Kiara who you also pictured and some others in the comments have mentioned. I do think that in some ways she does take a leadership positions at times. She's the one who organizes a lot of the collabs and events that happen, in the sense of coming up with ideas for events and getting others on board/on track with participating in them. (Two notable examples would be the all the Christmas stuff and the Easter collab.)
At the end of the day Ame's achievements, continuing innovation, and most importantly the fact that the rest of Myth considers her the leader means she is unquestionably "the leader", I would think Kiara has the role of either "co-leader" or perhaps "secondary leader".
Kiara i would call her a vanguard, she breaks though on other front to make things possible, ame is a true general making other things happen and supporting them forntheir first 3D etc
Nousagi's script… or the words he uses in his videos are insane since he returned.
I did kinda push for years that if Ame ever wants to get into the management side of things. She could easily be the one that runs the Hololive EN offices.
Leader is a shadow Hokage, so Ame is Danzo.
except Ame is far more Beloved dont do her dirty like that
Although I get what you're coming from in the behind the scenes aspect
More like Itachi lol
@@RikouHogashi bad example perhaps sosuke?
Ame is the Batman to Myth's Justice League
leader is not real.
embrace decentralized power.
Reject modern leadership, return to autonomous anarchy
I agree. It’s silly to expect that every group needs to have a “leader.” HoloMyth is filled with experienced, talented, ambitious, introverted individualists who know how to do their jobs on their own. In the beginning, due to language and COVID issues, I’m sure that some members used their talents to help others in the group where appropriate. Amelia Watson does have outstanding technical, organizational, creative, managerial, and leadership abilities. But I don’t know if anyone from HoloMyth dominates the group in a way that they could be called a “leader” of the group.
@@my2iu I think it's less of a leader they're forced to follow but a reliable friend that they can ask for help whenever they need it
@@my2iu the talent themselves called ame their leader. It's not the fanbase who made it up dude, try rewatching the first holomyth anniversary where they used the 3d walfie and the kfp dance school.
Ame and Altare are the trope because it's their lore
Ame is basically batman with the justice league and Altare is the one who started the guild
What cements them as leaders tho is Ame's innovation and hard carrying behind the scenes stuff and Altare's care and dedication for his genmates
Everyone else it's a title given as the situation demands it like kiara and axel setting up huge collabs, fauna hard carrying the ender dragon boss fight
Niji feels like a bunch of bros having a good time with no clear leader tbh and used more as a "i don't want to do this you do it" or "idk what I'm doing so tag you're it" which happens to fall to the same few people usually, if anything
Glad ur back!
The only leader obviously picked by management I know of is Laplus, who from the start was a joke leader.
Regarding your first 3 definitions of what fans consider a leader I think we can make use of the typical 5 man band trope. The most popular of the wave is "the big guy". This doesnt have to be the most physically big but its usually associated with reliability and presence. For example in Avatar: TLA toph was the big guy of the group even though she was the smallest height wise and yes this does mean I consider gura the big guy of holomyth. The generalist I would consider either the brain of the group or the lancer. The one who brings all together is the heart. The biggest draw of a leader in my opinion is their agency within the group. If the group needs to make a big decision the one that is respected the most and which decision seem to hold more weight is usually the leader
Leader comes from the word "Lead" and that's basically the whole point of it, some can say the one that bring fame to the group is the leader, some say the one that keep the groups together would be the one, or others can say the one who is the most talented and skillful should be the leader.
But no, that's not the point
If you look at someone and their action constantly inspire their group and people around them to dream even more, wanting to be even more, even just a little. That person is the leader.
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HoloX might have been a better group to examine this leadership question because unfortunately Nousagi is extremely bias when it comes to Ameila (as he admits here at 5:44) and HoloX has a clear execution of this leader trope that can be examine front and back vs the largely fanon with Myth.
That's a really nice new background! I like it
Couldn't agree more
Perfectly said
The community is big and we all have different opinions, and each has their own solid views
But we can all agree that people like Ame are the leader hands down, it's hard to put into words just saying she plan n deal with things in the back along doesn't quite cut it.
It's that plus more as to why anyone who knows myth can agree she is the leader.
Great video love to see more like this
Amelia is the "Batman" of Myth
Ayyy a depressed Nousagi video at 12am Let's gooo
I’m glad you’re back. I’m also glad you’re covering more than just Hololive. But I had to look up what the heck “kayfabe” means.
lmao yeah, that being a wrestling term is not something many people would associate with streaming
>see Pippa in the video
AYYYY THERE SHE IS THATS OUR LITTLE SCHIZO SISTER AAAAA
Ayooo depressed is back good shit
Interesting that you showed pippa there, if I recall correctly it is more common for tenma to be on the forfront constantly arguing with the fishman about company stuff, plus normally tenma being the one to be the lead voice during big collabs
I’ve never thought of any sort of leader of the groups except for en gen myth ame just has leader vibes she’s definitely my favorite vtuber
Being the leader doesn't mean that they'll be the most popular but they are the most worthy. That's why Amelia Watson pulls everyone together ❤
Great content! Will you do a Kusogaki Vtuber trope some other time?
Ame is not just a human. She is Bri'ish.
You know the Book size meme? The large book would be 'Holomyth lore', and the small book would be 'Holomyth lore if Amelia Watson wasn't a time traveler'. Probably one of the best character additions one could think of, and it sparked so many great things by the community, Myth's Bad Ending being an example of that
Depressed Nousagi is phinoy at 4chan who always saying Indog and hatting on holoID , but he also like holoID especially risu
Vesper is the antihero in Tempus 😝
she just batman and john constantine combine
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u really felt clever and got happy when u said BAEsed huh...
i see u... i c u cook....
hehe yeah. i definitely meant to do that...