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Vshojp vs Nux back then showed me how unprofessional the company was. Gunrun lack of accountability and no words apologising to Nux after the dog piling,was disappointing. Gunrun delegates a staff to negotiate with Nux regarding the fake audition website. That staff words was ambiguous and not sure if the person who misinformed the Vshojo talents were the same person. Regardless Gunrun as the head of the company who give that person authority as representative must share some responsibility. Unfortunately in his statement after Nux respond with receipt was sound like he was inconvenienced. He said no apologies to Nux and still shade him by telling us that the talents had unpleasant experience with Nux in the past. Therefore justifying their negative response to Nux. I think only Mousse (while she admitted no longer friends with Nux) and Zentreya openly apologised to Nux. Until Henya,Kuro and Matara joint the group then heat their testimony how helpful the management to them. I personally feel the company might be better than I thought. Hope they if there's a problem like Nux happen again will show a better response.

58:30 you underestimate how some people keep whining about someone who has left, or something that's over. why do you think you have old people who keep crying about the good old days? those old people were young once too. also, this whole stream was one big niji/vshojo c*cksuck fest, back to 2022 form eh?

58:33 Personally, it's really case by case for me To be perfectly honest, I'm still really sad about Coco and pretty sad about Sana. Ok I won't say that I'm destroyed and all, but I'm far from not caring anymore Regarding Mel, I'll be honest, not much, but I didn't watch a lot of her to begin with. For Rushia... Well.. With all that happens... Yeah (and I wasn't watching Hololive when Aloe graduated so I don't really include her)

Thank you for the stream DN.

Yeah, this is an improvement. I still am critical of the lack of support for SilverVale during the Hogwarts Legacy harassment incident. They don’t do all the crap the rest of the industry seems to do, which is good but not fully optimal yet.

i miss her so much

My guy skipping Geega when mentioning the new members

Vshojo has my oshi! My ball of sunshine! My genius!

what did they need redemption for? honest question. I never understood the hate on them.

Good talent does not equal good management. The management still threw nux under the bus, let froot bm silver, and didn't defend silver much during Hogwarts. Im worried that Henya would be bullied by froot, or vshojo staff. Also they didn't say they that someone was impersonating them and scamming/doxing others. The only reason why people think they are better is because they give 3d models faster than niji, and you can keep your model. If you compare them to niji of course they look better but to phase or holo? They still look the same as years ago. Because of all this bad niji news we are now are letting past transgressions slide which I think is a mistake when they haven't proven that they have fixed any of them. Vshojo will get you money, models, and projects, but the talents were not protected in the past and we dont know if they will be soon. The best way I can say what this is like is if the local wendys that had two employees murders in it (nux and silver) cleaned up the blood stains, and now the staff is friendlier. They didnt add any bulletproof glass or more security cams but the vibes feel better now. (for those who didnt know nux had tones of colabs with vshojo to the point it was joked that he would be the 1st male vtuber in it.) I would not trust this wendys to protect their staff, they may pay better then burger king (niji), but those dead bodies speak louder than words.

Can you make a video about neuro sama?

As Matara explained a few months ago, Henya is the key. She has this kindness and happness buff that radiates around her and out to everyone else.

Geega joining V-Shojo to me doesn't get talked about enough. Among the content creation industry she is highly respected. Her professionalism is what V-Shojo gains with her. Maybe if you really don't like the poop jokes check her out. She can yap and educate with the best of them. Also, she well connected to other content creators since she also works with MSM. To further clarify that point Geega can collab with someone like Nagzz or ChilledChaos just as seamlessly as she collabs with her fellow V-Tubers. Yes, public perception of V-Shojo changed thanks to Henya, Matara, Kuro, and Michi, but I encourage you to not sleep on Geega who is definitely talented and lives up to her moniker of The General.

Vshoujo is like a supergroup, they're either going to be a long-lasting combo of few elite musician from different bands joined and making a cultural icon like Mr.Big, Jam Project, Led Zeppelin, Foo Fighters, Journey, ABBA,- Or, they're going to stuck on a very specific niche with few audience and never gonna enter mainstream like Transatlantic, Liquid Tension Experiment, GTR, or anything Yoko Ono or other Beatles personnel did after 1980's. It's like Vshoujo didn't know what to do with everyone on their roster, not because they're liberal with their talent's activities, but rather they just don't care as long as their talent still making moneys. So, yeah, it's not because "having limit" makes the girl more attractive, but rather, because a working corporation know what to do with their talent instead of just letting them roam around and do stuff, but at least vshoujo care for their well-being, so that's a start.

I never call VShojo an "agency". Yes, they do stuff like other agencies. But in the end it's more a union of indie vtubers. You can even see it by the fact, that VShojo ja zero problems in helping other indies when they are in trouble, that most of their members are former indies, all keep their IP etc when joining, in fact the management doesn't even tell them how to behave, as long as they don't provoke bans by twitch or go directly against other members. That's what a true union is (not the bastardized versions of modern actors, scriptors or steel maker unions, but the original idea of it). That's why judging them by "agency standards" is stupid - they have to be judged by union standards, which mean: Do they offer the best service to their members. Well, not 100% - but at least much more than some of the agencies. And like any union they even offer help to non-members - which no agency would openly do, often not even hidden.

DN: We need tomboy hags in this vtuber industry Me: (/me points at Sayu)

to me vshojo is the exact same thing as it has always been, a cool kids club, just because the main focus of the cool kids club shifted from mean girls to battered niji survivors doesnt change that its justa club for pre-established big names to circlejerk. i still dont think that people hoping for vshojo to function as a vampire company have their priorities straight

You know a character having a condition coupd be cool, but how does that change their story? Is it just background filler writing? Does it effect the narrative? Oh, so its just kinda attraction of a kind... Its just people whove never been taught whats attractive and whats attention gaining, they arent the same thing. A simole flaw with the generation before where they never leanred to show us what is and isnt healthy. The result is sometimes a fatal flaw becomes glorified... Rather than encouraging the person to inprove, or find coping strategies. Instead we celebrate just the nutty side of things, sometimes even when those things arent what we teach kids they are. In this sense its misleading. Not really too bad but where does it lead

wait, i missed this drama. people disliked froot for not being anti-trans? but...every *single major* medical organization and the consensus of *every single* relevant scientific discipline all acknowledge both the existence and normalcy of people being trans. without any nuance. there's no debate in the scientific community on this subject. it's all religious weirdos and boomers who like to make up stuff to be mad about. transphobia is literally just flat earth for mean people. like wtf why are people so eager to hate each other lol

minor correction. freedom does not mean doing anything you want. that's know as selfishness. there's a saying that explains the difference well: "your freedom to swing your fist ends at my face" for freedom to exist, everyone needs to have the same rights. otherwise no one has any reason to respect anyone else's freedom, and that isn't freedom. that's the rule of the strong, where only the most powerful have any freedom, and everyone else is beholden to them. and as soon as one of those strong people has enough resources to hire an army or successfully claims to be ordained by a god, you've got a monarchy. and that's about as far from free as you can get.

to quote pippa here about the offkai stuff. (taken from the transcript of her last stream) "I feel like one of the issues with the vtuber community right now is there's such an incentive to hop on these drama trains where things don't need to be drama you know there's stuff that needs to get worked out right that's life you know. you always want the ball to be in your own court so to speak and there's always situations that arise at times where it can be a struggle but not everything needs to be a massive drama. sometimes People just want to have fun. the more time that goes on the more I get tired of people constantly on the hunt for negativity. I appreciate how passionate you guys are and I appreciate how you guys will do your best to help when things happen. you guys are incredibly supportive and I'm not targeting this at you. it's just these false flaggers i hate" tbh didnt expect such a mature take from her 😀 OtsuCringe

is funny that the VShojo image clean-up worked so well now people tries to deny they aren't a Closed Exclusive Club (which they are, even if they collab with everyone does not mean they will all join. Case & Point Bubi/Connor are NOT Vshojo) as to what Vshojo is, they are a Vtuber Talent Management agency, just not a JAPANESE Agency like the rest

Good video just some things gotta say Pikamee was not an Indie she was part and first member of Voms project, Mint Maid isn't part of Vshojo, Geega on the other hand is. Also they don't own the member's model since all of them were already Vtubers before joining Vshojo. Iron Mouse and Zentreya have been streaming around 7 years now as Vtubers. (since 2017)

There's a lot of jargon in this video and while I understand about 98.23% of it, there's a few words and phrases completely lost on me. 2:45 I know VR Chat but what is "ALN"? 2:58 Politics and K-Fabe? What is K-Fabe? 3:16 K-Fabe again? Or is he saying something different. 4:02 K-Fabe again? Also, on the topic of Vshojo's current strategy, I liken it to how Linus Torvalds designed "git" (a version control system for software development). He literally looked at the popular control systems at the time, like CVS, and said "Let's do the complete opposite"

ok now do its again

VShojo is a traditional talent agency, as opposed to an idol agency. Both are agencies. In this case, VShojo exclusively manages VTubers, so yes, VShojo is a VTuber agency. They just follow the old standard talent agency model, as opposed to the more-recent Japanese idol agency model. In a traditional talent agency, the agency works for the talent. In an idol agency, the talent works for the agency (similar to a modelling agency, because that's basically what they are, and that's where they got their start). Pretty simple.

I would say getting Kson and THEN Henya is what changed vhshojo. Kson kinda pushed for vshojo to do better by calling them out on negotiating terms. She was not mad, but politely telling them that if they didn't meet her expectations she would just leave and look for a better company. Henya has always been excited to stream most days and is always positive. Newer members have set their schedules because they are used to work for another company. I prefer them since streaming whenever you feel always makes me lose interest.

Vshojo is an anomaly amongst the other more traditional agencies. They broke the mold for what people thought Vtuber agency should be like. They’ve stumbled, but they’ve gotten back up. Frankly they’re a breath of fresh air

YEEE, I can finally see the VOD, LETSGOOOOO!!!!

Top tier comedy

"... If you know how much a lot of traditionalists feel about politics in vtubing then you know how bad this can go, especially if the politics they endorse are not what certain people believe in." Bit of an aside, but as that feels kinda pertinent lately, I'm not sure how much I agree with this. Like OK, maybe I'm an outsider and maybe the traditionalists are some other group that I'm not encountering, but I feel like it's the latter part of that sentence that really matters. Some people definitely don't like politics, sure, but it seems to only be politics when they don't like it; When they do like it, it's "HAHA BASED". Then again I feel like trying to point that out also descends into a shitshow. Probably because the people doing it know they're doing it. Eh.

Not sure how many times he has to be told Maid Mint is not a part of Vshojo. shes just colabs with mantra a lot.

They are a vtuber agency but not like other agency. Vshojo is like a normal music talent agency or actor agency while other vtuber agency is similar to idol agency. Both are agency, it just not the same type of agency.

i started watching a lot of Vshojo when Henya Debuted.. and up until now, i watch every vshojo that is live like everyday. so i want to say that my Oshi was the start \o/📛

Really like your ending statement, YEAAAHH, Steal the unhappy talents!

Vshojo has been saving some of my favorite Vtubers, so they have definitely redeemed themselves.

VTuber things ~ one thing u mentioned was the demographic of normal streamers vs vtubers. [then VTubers being different]. It's definitely interesting cause of various factors but I can give some random perspective for people {there's a lesson at the end of this long ramble incoming}, most vtubers are casual-chill style gameplay/vibes, for myself, I aimed for a pro level competitive VTuber and looking back it definitely wasn't the move [or at least it was poorly executed cuz I didn't dial in on VTuber culture aspects and embrace that aspect of the community a bit more], I was Rank#1 Global in a game named Spellbreak, then hit top ranks in various 3rd person shooters [Top300 Fortnite Zerobuild, then top ranks in smaller BRs]. I thought I would become known over time but I was not doing the proper things to actually be a big streamer. I was hoping my skill and personality would get noticed by a big Agency one day and have a chance to become one of the 1st Pro VTubers and applied a few times to Hololive, Niji, Vshojo but unfortunately never got a response. (Now looking back, I was naive and honestly joining an agency or gaming/esport team is something that would be very nice but not a direct goal anymore) Realistically I was/still am small [well I'm currently gaining huge traction thanks to becoming a Marvel Rivals creator, i had 100s of people watching me a few weeks ago for the closed alpha, but what allowed this success was I DIALED IN ON Fun VTuber Vibe.] When i blew up in a different game, MHUR, I went for top lvl skill content creator vibe with some memes and it made things too serious / too much of a joke to serious players, but it was scratching the surface of what I should actually be doing. I went into Marvel Rivals as like VTuber that was a retired pro vibe there for the fun of the game, our community & hype and it popped me off in a way I didn't expect. Now I'm in the calm before the next storm with the closed beta & going to continue to be more adaptive [and eventually move on from just having a main game niche but 1 step at a time] Realistically majority of the people watching a VTuber are not there for the gameplay, you can be one of the best in the world or better then every1 but still not be as large of a creator as a normal streamer, (people are watching you [vtuber] cuz ur cool!) so keep this in mind for competitive style games. Lesson here is being successful in VTubing there are things that are "meta" but there are things you can do to be different and hit where you want to hit. You can have a niche and make adjustments while looking to expand past it. Sometimes doing so you have to dial in on certain factors.

When Kettle joined, EVERYONE was just brought together fawning over her and her cute English 😭❤️ - I remember she was still quite reserved and had Japanese company etiquette initially, but after she collabed with Pippa and Tenma, she kinda realized she could be less formal and swear and take playful jabs with ENtubers? That one-block Minecraft was one of those legendary vtuber streams lol.

It should also be noted that Vshojo, unlike other vtuber agencies, usually have their members also be represented by other talent agencies.

Vshojo is perfect for being a Western organization! Followed very closely by Phase Connect, there are No companies that even compare to these 2... Hololive is a true "Idol" agency meanwhile Western orgs just say "Do whatever you want"

what public opinion are you even on about

They took out the old and brought in the family-friendly dayo. Thanks for the vid, Nathaniel.

I’m a VShojo fan and I can admit that Geega was indeed an nepo hire. But signing Kuro, Mantra, and Michie has even out their nepotism, to me.

As long as froot is in there I can't support vshojo, what she did to Ant Hime is unacceptable.

Hot take: Nuxtaku is a moron and deserved to be dragged at the time, his vid led to the doxxer never getting apprehended and that led to the nepotism hiring

became vshojo bc of Kson san💜Nazuna chan💙Henya chan💜

Lets be honest, the only reason people hated vshoujo was for their members and once the problematics members leave people perspective was gonna change even with or without taking in the niji exiles. You also forgot to say that Froot also has a 4chan past and has done some really scummy stuff.

Says OTK, shows OTV. lol. easy enough mistake to make i guess.

Yoo bro got sponsored by honkai starrail

Vshojo didn't really change, their model was just better suited for an era of recovery and without that era happening they looked, odd, unlikeable. Specially because it was ironing out some of the basics needed to be worked on that come with being any company. Silver (and vae to a lesser extent) can talk about how they weren't really friends with the other members of vshojo. But from experience i can tell you that often times if people aren't all that interested in checking up with you or being around you outside of business obligations or group obligations, then that's as much on you as it is them. People will easily be able to point out when they stop trying but will very rarely recognize the pattern of how that ends up happening. whether it's that they barely responded to people trying to check in on them or their negative behaviors in responce to check ins. Honestly with how everyone is on zen's streams (who is the vshojo member i watch the most) i feel like it's fair to say that Vshojo is a fairly united group. even if they aren't 100% friends off stream as they are on. Henya has talked quite a few times how zen has basically picked her up and brought her into the group, made sure she was settling in okay and made sure her voice was heard in the chaos of group chats at times. To me it seems like Vshojo just has a better culture then most because of their freedoms and their ability to work not only with each other but outside vtubers. Heck Matara has joked that heavenly should join vshojo cause he interacts with quite a few of their members regularly. I think the nepotism of vshojo is a good way to remind people that nepotism isn't all bad. It's kind of gotten a bad rap for being only the bad version of itself, Ie using connections to give people who aren't qualified positions they did not earn. Most times it's positive form is just called 'having connections' but that is literally nepotism in a nutshell. Vshojo used that to save a good number of talents, from Pikame of voms who was bullied into leaving early probably showing that voms isn't as good at supporting their talents, to several Nijisanji EN livers who like, we know what happened over there. Here's hoping they are able to keep helping their talents. Cause zen's music career has been stellar and i'd love to see more like it from the vshojos