Uncontrolled Airport Radio Communications - MzeroA Flight Training
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- čas přidán 30. 03. 2015
- m0a.com/uncontrolled-airport-r... Welcome to the Leadville Lake County airport in Leadville, Co. The highest elevation airport in North America and a great place to teach you how I make my uncontrolled (pilot controlled) radio communications
thanks for the tips Jason. I got my PPL in class D flying almost exclusively controlled in D and C airports. I did some uncontrolled landings but I wanted to review this before I go out and do my rental checkout. this video is perfect for me
He always starts his radio transmissions with "aaand...."
Thank you for showing everyone how to be a safe pilot. And having a fantastic amount of fun too.
This is great! I'm just about to go on my first x-country flight and I have never landed at an uncontrolled airport. This video will help me out so much.
“Dinosaur” 😂😂
(I know it’s diamond star)
I love finding videos from my hometown airport! Great vid!
wow! what a beautiful airport, amazing view!!
... and you start every radio call with and : ) ... nice video!
***** At busier airports (controlled by tower or approach/departure) starting radio calls with "and..." will get the controller comment "your transmission before "and" no read, say again" or similar. Gives impression some part of radio call was missed. You wouldn't call in "Hey _____ Tower, this is..." either.
... and I totally concur
Beautiful airport!! Hopefully this will be one of our stops on the way to Oshkosh this year!!
Beautiful airport to review uncontrolled airport communication. Perhaps I wasn't listening correctly but I thought you are not supposed to announce clear of runway until you are completely off the runway surface with every bit of your aircraft
I always call upwind (got yelled at for not doing so by my instructor) and I always call midfield on downwind another thing I mentioned in the other video I do differently is I don't use a callsign I just say "airport traffic DiamondStar turning left base runway 10 airport" i can't read your numbers in the air anyways and it prevents people listening on the ground with radios from filing low flying aircraft reports
Good point
Not a bad point but at the airport I fly out of there could be 4-5 skyhawks in the pattern simultaneously. In that case it's very helpful to know numbers for SA.
Those diamonds are nice! Man, I really miss flying. One of these days I'll finish what I started.
Shaun Daskam ominous
one of my favorite airports near by is Salisbury-Wicomico County Airport (SBY).
Great video, thanks for the teachings
Having flown into DeLand FL several times, I hear some pilots announcing with call signs, others with color and aircraft type. The argument for the latter is to make it easier for other aircraft to spot you in a “gaggle” of traffic. What are your thoughts?
love your videos man. Just a question, shouldn't wait to clear the runway to make the "cleared runway" call ? What if you blew up a tire after making the call... and your plane is not clear of the runway !!
That’s very interesting! In uncontrolled airspace in Poland we just call on Downwind and Final.
Great Video Jason, been watching a lot of your videos and it's been helping get my Private. Got almost 30 hrs. in and still working on the ATC Communication here in Las Vegas any suggestions to help me out?
+Phil Hoffman have you tried listening to liveATC.net it"s not much but, at least its something
It sounds like you're saying "Dinosaur" instead of diamond star lol.
I got my instrument rating just 2 days ago maybe you should do something on IFR non-towered comms! I would say to that to never call out fixes (e.g Orange County Traffic Skyhawk 2 from DIYAD ILS 3 Orange County) because the Sunday VFR flyer wouldn't know where DIYAD is. I call 8 mile, 4 mile and short final then call going missed
How do you avoid other traffic in the pattern and manage with other airplanes in the pattern?
Thanks for your excellent videos Jason. One question. At about 8:48 into the video, Jeremy states that on his approach airspeed is 67 knots and ground speed is 79. Is the ground speed higher than airspeed due to the density altitude? He isn't landing with a downwind I presume.
Rick Sayles Nevermind - it is the density altitude effect. Rule of thumb even works - add 2% per 1,000 ft above sea level. Leadville at 9,000+ would be an adjustment of 18%. 67 NM time 118% = 79 NM.
Nice approach and landing. One comment after landing retract the flaps. Gets the weight off the nose wheel. Beautiful area!
Robert Nellor Retracting flaps while moving is a bad idea. In many aircraft the flaps are very close to another important control. Retracting the landing gear during roll out is both embarrassing and expensive.
If done right nose wheel should be held off with elevator pressure anyway so it shouldn't make a huge difference.
What kind of plane is that? Beautiful.
I'm a bit confused about something. Isn't it dangerous to call clearing the runway before you actually are because someone might think you're clear and land or take off?
I simply don't understand why it is so easy in US. I am a pilot from Germany hold a US private certificate and on our uncontrolled airfields we have some sort of ATC all the time to collect airplanes position reports in the area and pass them on to other planes. As a result I experience many situations where the pilots starting to completely trust this ATC guy and have no own clue of what is going on anymore. In my opinion your system is by far the better on because all pilots need to listen to all calls and form the situations image by themselves.
Flew into this field once😀 Highest of the lower 48?
Hi Jason, what did the pilots do wrong in the fatal Watsonville airfield crash on August 18th yesterday? It seems something was not communicated?
HI , it's a great video , I'd like to know how to mount a camera in the tail ? any special device ?
Wen-Chieh Chen The DA-40 has a smooth one piece h stab, im assuming the just used a GoPro suction mount....i want to do this but I'm afraid to lose my camera
ur comment about not asking for any traffic is smart, I neve thought about that
What about announcements when approaching the field before you've entered the pattern? Announcing distance, intentions, how the pattern is to be entered, etc...
Love it
Why didn't the pilot retract flaps after 500ft? He kept takeoff flaps the entire time.
Thanks for this little demonstration! I am going to take my Intro at our local uncontrolled airport/field and was confused by how exactly that worked. Assumed it would be like this but assuming gets you nowhere fast.
Just wondering: "D" in the call sign was spoken as "dinosaur" instead of "delta." It's cute, but is it kosher to just use whatever word you wish for letters? For example, what would ATC say if you asked permission to transit their Class Dinosaur airspace? (Or Doogie Howser or Dingleberry or whatever comes to mind...).
I'm a lowly 40-hour student, but personally I would recommend to another beginning student to learn the standard call signs and always use them in the interest of clarity and safety.
It’s “Diamond Star,” not Dinosaur. The airplane is a DA-40 Diamond Star lol
i have an idea for a video. its something i kinda struggle with understanding why it works the way it does. lets say we have an engine failure, but at Vbg, we can reach the runway. in a C172 its 75, which requires around 500+- fpm. when i was taking my check ride, the DPE told me to put out 10* flap so that i could further reduce my speed. why? the slower i go, the longer it will take to get to the airport, all while losing altitude to maintain a speed above stalling. why would i not want to just get right on in there? to me it seems counter intuitive. maybe im losing altitude faster, but im getting there so much quicker. and why would he say "look we can even get it down to 65kts. if im losing 500fpm, why would i want to go slower? now, i will do what is taught, because i know it is correct, but parts of the engine failure glide speed doesn't make much sense. i did pass the checkride btw.
bombud1 I'm not sure you're thinking about this correctly. Best glide speed is with clean wings, and you get your best L:D ratio at that speed; thus, you go the furthest distance in the airborne time you have remaining. Increasing speed will not get you there faster because you can't go as far with a reduced glide ratio.
@Scott cole, he's saying diamond star... Not dinosaur lol
LOL that's what I thought he was saying. Thank you for that. I searched "dinosaur low wing aircraft" on Google and still couldn't figure out what the heck they were flying.
I also heard dinosaur
whats the difference between airspeed and groundspeed and how does that apply when landing?
Hey there! Good question. A quick summary is that airspeed, or rather true airspeed, is the speed of the aircraft moving through the air relative to the airmass. Groundspeed is simply how fast the aircraft is moving over the ground. I've attached a link to one of our videos that gives a brief explanation of the different types of airspeeds. Skip to about the 1 minute 30 second mark. Thanks for the question!
czcams.com/video/yZCnl4_yGC8/video.html
Is there a reason for starting each call with "...and"
I also had the same question
What frequency do u use? U dont hsve atc telling u a frequency.
Use the published ctaf frequency.
If I was wanting to fly through an uncontrolled airspace would I need to communicate that.
Good question! It's always a good idea to monitor local frequencies and announce your position. It's not a requirement, but it is safe, smart flying.
How would you cal a 45o entry to the downwind? Or a departure on the downwind to the north?
FoxtrotSim #1 example: "Clark County Traffic, Diamondstar 1345Z entering the 45 downwind for Runway 18, fullstop/tng Clark County" #2 example: "Clark County Traffic, Diamondstar 1345Z on the downwind 18, departing the area to the north, Clark County"... I would give another call when switching frequencies saying last call
Is the first time you say "Clark County" in this example, the airport name, and the second time you say it, its the area name? Or is it airport name twice?
i.e. If there is an airport named Dart Field in Pass County,would I call "Dart field traffic bla bla bla, runway 25 Pass county." Or the other way around. If that makes sense.
Ohh, I got it. So its the name of the airport first thing, and last thing said in the call. Thanks I got it now.
right, but the first time is who you're addressing. So we said traffic, you could say unicom instead. And then the ending "area call" is literally just the airport
okay. got it
I'm not a fan of "any traffic please advise" and neither is the FAA. The AIM specifically directs pilots not to use the term! We still hear it all the time...
Next time you're in Leadville wanna mail me a Melly? 🤣🤣
Jason,
One minor error. After lift-off while on the center line you are not on the upwind leg. You are on the "departure" leg. Please see AIM Section 4-3-2 Figure 4-3-1 "Departure leg. The flight path which begins after takeoff and continues straight ahead along the extended runway centerline"
David D Just about every pilot in the world says upwind. I've never heard anyone say departure leg over the radio while flying.
I am not a pilot but recently flew as a guest in a Kitfox in non restricted airspace from a grass covered private runway. My pilot routinely informed other pilots flying in the area of his location, elevation and direction of travel along with other important information. I was shocked to see another plane crossing diagonally about 4-500ft below our elevation and it was obvious he was not using a radio at all to inform others of his location or presence. My pilot informed me that this is common and that there is no Canadian law requiring it. How can that be? Is this how it is in the US as well?
Some older aircraft are not equipped with radios. Also there are basically a set of given highways in the air called a pattern, you can expect where people are in certain areas and we are always looking. Pairing this with specific collision avoidance regulations and collision is not likely given you are following all the rules.
Some older aircraft are not equipped with radios. Also there are basically a set of given highways in the air called a pattern, you can expect where people are in certain areas and we are always looking. Pairing this with specific collision avoidance regulations and collision is not likely given you are following all the rules.
Some older aircraft are not equipped with radios. Also there are basically a set of given highways in the air called a pattern, you can expect where people are in certain areas and we are always looking. Pairing this with specific collision avoidance regulations and collision is not likely given you are following all the rules.
Some older aircraft are not equipped with radios. Also there are basically a set of given highways in the air called a pattern, you can expect where people are in certain areas and we are always looking. Pairing this with specific collision avoidance regulations and collision is not likely given you are following all the rules.
Some older aircraft are not equipped with radios. Also there are basically a set of given highways in the air called a pattern, you can expect where people are in certain areas and we are always looking. Pairing this with specific collision avoidance regulations and collision is not likely given you are following all the rules.
At first I thought he said “Dinosaur” instead of “Diamond Star!”
Ha! Thanks for watching, Kevin!
Do I speak if someone else is speaking on that frequency
No, two people cannot speak at once on the radio. You must wait until the other person has finished their transmission before beginning yours.
MzeroA Flight Training ok. My instructor just told me to talk over them, but I think it makes more sense to wait.
MzeroA Flight Training I'm talking about on unicom btw. I would never do that at a controlled airport
@@hunterfagan6272 i know this is super old and you probably have your ticket by now but this is such a bizarre thing for an instructor to say. he wanted you to “talk over them?” does he know how radios work?
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