SE Phat Spark Plug Wires Are they good or bad?
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- Harley-Davidson Scream'n Eagle 10mm Phat Spark Plug Wires Part #31902-08A. Are they good or bad for your EFI fuel injected bike? Tune in to see why with some folks sparks fly.
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Finally someone who understands that it’s always good to over research anything, be big or small, before buying it. Hence is why I’m watching this xD
Ha! A man cut from the same cloth as me! I hope my content was helpful brother. Ride swift, ride safe. Eric
You are correct that the Delphi Management system has the ION technology built in. But....Harley Davidson built the bike and also the SCREAMING EAGLE spark plug wires. There is no way that they didn't take this into consideration during the design process of the wire set. The info you gave is the right description of the ION system, but in no way relates to the wire set. The mechanic who told you this information is incorrect.
Jeff, do you have alink to verify your claims?
I just watched a video by Doc Harley [A qualified HD tech with some 40 years experience] from Low Country HD and he says the Phat 10mm wires are compatible with the ion ignition systems. I have them on my 114 M8 and it seems to me HD would not sell them for the M8’s if there was an issue. Just remember to change all 4 wires and not just the 2 that are visible on the left side. As for my experience, I think they look great and although they say they make no difference to performance I’d swear they do.
Well, that's good to know. It's sad there's so much misinformation out there. Let alone go to three different dealers and get three different answers. Thanks for the tip on all 4 of them on the M*s. Ride swift, ride safe.
Someone recommended 12mm Twisted Wires so I put them on and unlike most minor mods, the difference was definitely noticeable over stock wires. They help make my Bassani exhaust do what it's supposed to do. Worth it.
That's good to know J.D., thanks for sharing.
@@KrakensGarageandAdventures I'm getting an ACCEL Super Coil to go with it. I use Bassani Road Rage, a K&N with a DynoJet Powervision for tuning. My friend Bob was still leaving me in the dust. The Twisted Wires changed everything. My bike finally ran right. Even Bob noticed I was jumping ahead, especially off the line. The website says 3 to 5 hp, I don't know, but it definitely helped.
@@j.d.thompson3505 It's all in your head. Twisted 12mm, Screaming Eagle 10mm and stock 8mm wires ALL have the exact same gauge suppressor core, the ONLY difference is the amount of insulation. All 3 deliver the exact same amount of current to the spark plug. Zero increase in HP from spark plug wires or spark plugs.
Thanks for this video. I have been contemplating this upgrade based on one positive review. So I stared searching forums to mixed opinions. Your research shows me this is really just cosmetic.
Thank you Roy for watching. Ride swift, rise safe. Eric
He Mr. Kraken. I like your video, the way you give your info and where you got it from ( not just blabbing about or giving opinions) and your method of relaxed conversation. Thanks for sharing your experience with your viewers, who also consider themselves "educated consumers". I like that description! Greetings from the Netherlands 👍😎🇳🇱
Thank you Martin, I try hard to bring just the facts to the table. Thanks for the kind words sir. Eric
What a great level of technical nerdiness. You hit all the issues. Stock it is then. Probably saved me some buckeroos. Thanks bud. Well done.
I hope this video helped you out a little. All show and no go on this upgrade for most Harleys. Thanks for commenting.
Funny thing... I bought a set of the SE 10mm plug wires for my 2010 RK yesterday, then stumbled on this video last night. I guess I'll try to return them today. Engine performance is always more important than looks, so I'm happy I saw this.
They may work fine, just thought it was odd the MoCo is peddling these and some are not compatible. Thanks for commenting.
@@KrakensGarageandAdventures Well, I went to the HD shop this morning with full intentions on returning the plug wires. One of the youngsters working at the parts counter swears up and down that they will work on my bike without any issues. He took me to the back area where he showed me his father's mostly stock '07 RK which has the SE wires installed and told me he has no problems with it. He says his personal '16 Road Glide also has no issues with the SE wires. I guess if the engine is completely stock there might be a chance of the EFI sensors having malfunctions, but I'm not an expert. My bike has a SE intake and V&H Bigshots, so I hope that means the parameters are within parameters and all that technical stuff. I ended up keeping the wires and I'm going to give them a try after all. Thanks for the information on your end though, I feel a bit smarter now.
I'm sure they'll work for you. Over the years I ran them on 2 RKs with no issues. Thanks for the update and we're all in this together to help one another. Ride swift, ride safe.
Thanks for taking your time to make a good and well informed video with very good content ! Great and useful information on any aftermarket/OEM -Plus / OEM-parts-is hard to find. Looking forward to learning about my bike along with others-
Thank you, Eddie. I appreciate the kind reply. My channel is many different bikes, so I hope you stick around. I appreciate you commenting, sir. Eric
Haha I thought I was the only one that over analyzes everything when it comes to DIY to my car or bike. I have a 2015 Fat Bob and the dreaded quick disconnect fuel valve started leaking a few weeks ago. While inspecting I also noticed that I also had the rubbing on the short spark plug lead causing a slit in the outer cover about an inch in size. I just happened to come across this video. Thanks for the explanation as I was thinking of changing both out to the screaming eagle. I think a spent a week researching the quick disconnect leak issue lol.
Brian, my brother from another mother! I'm glad I'm not the only one that over analyzes. 🤣 Eric
Down to earth very clear to understand straightforward talk much appreciated brother, be blessed ridesafe
Davo, thank you for the kind words. I appreciate you commenting. Eric
Easy to speak the truth my brother😎 I have a roadster myself absolutely love it I've had Screamin Eagle wires for quite some time and have not experienced any issues at all, keep the videos coming if you'd like to check out my ride, checkout homies motorcycle therapy then look up badass Sportster God bless bro
@@davot.9717 I'll check it out!
Thanks bro your opinion would be valued and I look forward to the next video ride safe🏍🛐
The SE 10mm wires work just fine on my 2011 Ultra Limited. The SE wires are very low resistance vs the original but I can't tell any difference on the bike.
I can't tell any difference either. Just astetically, I prefer them in HD orange. Thanks for commenting. Eric
Good video. Thanks. The company jacked the price up on these wires 25% from a year ago when you made the video.
Ouch! What hasn't been jack up in price in the last year? The pricing if stuff has gotten crazy lately. Tha KS for commenting Joey! Eric
When I had a 2009 I was curious about certain upgrades and that was what I was hearing back then stick with your regular wires no aftermarket wires because that’s how they sense if you get a spark knock or engine knock
I was shocked to stumble into this info as it's a long term issue for folks. Nothing earth shaking here but felt it was worth a mention. Thanks for watching and commenting Moe.
I was reading a couple of installation comments on these Phatter SE wires on later model touring models. They state that these Phat 10mm wires will not secure in the clamp(s) under the gas tank which are designed for the thinner OEM plug wires without alteration. I did have the worn spot on the front plug wire on my 2016 CVO Limited so what I did as a temporary measure is to slip a similar diameter size rubber hose slit lengthwise over the front plug wire and secure it with a cable wrap.
Brilliant idea to save some bucks on an item you really can't see. Thabks for watching and commenting. Eric
I had no issues installing these 10mm wires on my 17 road glide special. Used the the factory loops and new ties that came with the wires. I added one extra zip tie to help hold #1 wire away from the potential rubbing point. I also installed NGK cr9eix plugs at the time and immediately noticed a better idle. I have yet to notice any performance loss or issues.
I put these on my sportster after doing the Hammer 1275 kit and it made it run much smoother. I couldn’t get the tune just right but throwing these on fixed the slight hesitation it had.
The 1275 kit sure wakes up the sportster 1200! I'm glad to hear they helped with your built motor. Ride swift, ride safe. Eric
This was the information I've been looking for! Thank you for making this video!
You are most welcome. Ride swift, ride safe. Eric
only thing they offer is better longevity of the wire being 10mm coverings especially for the front since it is laced over the engine.
I have an '12 SG,45k,stock motor,stock plugs. I put these wires on 8k miles ago and no problems. No knocks at all.
You are correct on all counts! Glad to hear that they're not giving you any issues. Eric
Thanks for the talk. Reminded me of of what I already believed. Or rather reinforced. I have an 08 glide, thinking of new wires. Thanks.
I hope my finding helped you David. Thanks for dropping a comment sir.
With the right spark plug witch they dont make anymore and the S.E. tune they work amazing on the 103T.C. Nice video thanks for sharing your research.
Good to know and thanks for the tip.
Thanks for the very informative video, I’m just getting ready to change my spark plugs on my 2020 RGL at 26,000 and thought I might as well change the wires out as well and was looking at the 10mm screaming eagle wires, however after seeing your video and Doc Holidays video I think I to will just stick with the stock wires. Thanks for a great video.
Thank you! It's comments like yours Dave that make my content worth the effort. Knowledge is key to a trouble free experience. Ride swift, ride safe. Eric
Excellent video! I see these HD SE 10mm Phat spark plug wires on a lot of Harleys out here. I do like the look, however I was aware of no performance gain adding these. I was not aware of any rubbing issue with the plug wire to # 1 cylinder on Baggers (2014-up); needless to say, I'll be inspecting and keeping an eye out for this. Thanks for researching this and diving deeper into it.
Tom Miller, So. Cal. '21RGS & '22FXLRS
Thank you Tom, I really appreciate the reply. At what wr pay for these parts I have learned over the decades to do your homework. I hope it helped you sir. Ride swift, ride safe this season. Eric
@@KrakensGarageandAdventures I ride a 2015 RGS and my stock front plug wire was rubbing and wearing. I cut a 3" piece of rubber hose, slit it and installed over the damage area. That was 80,000 miles ago...
@stevegold3611 Well done, Steve!
I understand you a 100%
Out of my whole life I do NOT use after market spark plugs , I am a champion vato , and I do use the Eagles wires , NOT for more power that is not happening , they are thicker on out side for rubbing and they do not warm up as hot as stock wires ,
MYSELF I do NOT have no problems on my 80 inch bikes and my 04 1450 cc EFI bike ,
They say set the champion plug at 38 to 43 , so I set my right at 40
Perfect setup! And I'm glad it's not giving you any grief. I think you're smart to put the phat wires on because they are much thicker and are a known rubbing issue with some models. Thanks for commenting and ride safe. Eric
Your research is much appreciated
Thank you sir! Eric
They're fine... They're still spark plugs wires, don't expect any difference in performance from them, they don't transmit spark any better than OEM plug wires. I have them on my bike for looks, because that's all they're good for lol
Mine as well 🤣 Thank you for commenting. Eric
i cut the zip bit off and put a zip tie through the hole to re use .. worked ok
I did the same.
An informative video Eric, I learned this watching a video by Doc Harley at Low Country Harley-Davidson a while back, useful info though, like your style.
Thank you Gordon. I try to put useful info in a simple format. Doc is the king of this style of info!
I'm really, really, really late to the party. However, my late model Softail runs smooth with them, and I've not had any issues tuning with them either. Considering the fact I tune often I would have thought it would have caused me issues by now. However, I did like setting the motor off with a little color and almost went with plug wire covers instead. PS If you see me draped out on 208 by the "Lake" you will know that I was wrong! 😁
If you ever are draped out on 208, I'll come get you! 😂 I too like the contract color of HD orange wires on m y black bike. This was me nerding out on an issue I stumbled upon. Thanks for commenting. Eric
Great video 👍🏻. Thanks for the info. I as well like to research this kind of stuff before i get into it. I appreciate you making this.
I'm glad it helped during your research. Thabks for watching and commenting. Eric
Saved me a few quid - thanks from the UK - liked and subscriber.
Glad it helped and thanks for the sub. Eric
Intriguing. I'm running SE stage 2 torque cam, Heavy Breather with TAB slip-ons. Was considering of adding these SE wires with the SE plugs. I would gather they will all done fine in conjunction with one another.
Don, I think you will be fine. Just know if you have any hiccups in performance, check the Phat wires first, it may be the culprit. Thanks for commenting.
@@KrakensGarageandAdventures Right on. Thanks for the vid. 👍
Subscribed, fellow Roadster and pug owner here.
Thank you, Aron! I'm just about done finishing up my cafe Roadster build. I'm installing the tins now. Thanks for stopping by. Eric
2019 M8 Electra glide……..
Had an issue where once the motor got really hot after riding for half hr or so, when I came to a stop
The idle would shoot up from 900 to over a thousand rpms. The dealer had the bike for 2 weeks and couldn’t
Figure it out so they called the factory and we’re told to put the screaming eagle phat wires on the bike.
They did this and the problem was solved. Factory told the dealer they have had these issues before on
The m8.
Obviously this is a problem that HD is keeping close to the vest…..as typical for HD
Jeffrey. I agree... It's super annoying that the dealers will push you to purchase "upgrades' like the phat wires and even the parts counter folks don't know how it's going to effect your bike, good, bad or indifferent. It's all bout taking the money from the customer base even at the cost of their integrity. These silly videos are just the issues that I've bumped into in my travels. I'm sure I've missed many more. Eric
Eric,
The good thing about these videos is that we get input form alot of people about different issues and solutions.
Thanks for your videos
Jeff
@@jeffreycarroll5920 Your reply is much appreciated. I work hard on my channel to try and give back to the mc community. Ride swift, ride safe.
The wire tie can be clipped and use a standard wire tie in the socket of the old/modified fitting.
You're exactly right, and that's what I eventually did. Good pro tip, and thanks for commenting. Eric
Great info 😎👍
Time to change my wires
I'm glad this video was helpful to you. Thanks for commenting.
I appreciate the deep dive Shipmate. (SS/SW/MTS) USN, Ret. 2020 Fat Boy. 🦅 of a 🪶
Thank you sir! Very kind of you to comment. Happy New Year to you and your family. Eric
@@KrakensGarageandAdventures Back at you & yours.
Hey mate, I’ve just got these same wires for my 16 Roadster, did you have to lift the tank up to get the wire out of the harness? And did you have to undo the harness and re zip tie back up? Any help is useful. Not sure if the roadster sent to Australia are the same , but the rear cylinder wire looks pretty inaccessible the way it is stock. Cheers
No, on lifting the tank. Yes, on cutting the zip tie that anchors it. I can take pics and email them to you or send them through Instagram messenger if it would help. They are cylinder specific, meaning a specific wire for the front cyl and rear. My email is krakensgarage@gmail.com I hope this helps. Eric
I asked my mechanic to pop these on my bike with my last upgrade and he said no due to having too many issues with these when adding them to the M8's
Bingo! You have have a good tech!
Idk...have a hard time believing they would sell them if they’re not compatible. I have them on my 18 FXBRS, no issues, just installed on my 18 FLHXS, no issues...
I have to agree and I did install them on my Roadster. I just thought it was interesting what I had been told by my HD shop. Enjoy your new Phat plug wires!
I'm running a fxdb streetbob recently converted to carb. Want to fit some blue wires on there. Thanks for doing this video, good advice.
I'm glad it helped you Rich. The Streebob is a great bike! Ride swift, ride safe. Eric
@@KrakensGarageandAdventures yeah they work a treat. Did it because I wanted blue wires. Kept the originals just incase. I think HD got it spot on with the street Bob. Anyhow, like I say cheers for the vid, I've subscribed too.
@@richpurslow3283 Thank you sir.
yes i put high comp plugs in my street bob
and 10mm leads and it pinks all you said makes sense. mine does have 10.5/1 comp .. my street glide just has se plugs no pinking
Jon. I'm glad you got it sorted. This a rare occurrence but I felt folks needed to know. Thanks for watching and commenting. Eric
@@KrakensGarageandAdventures maybe because mine is tuned to be on the edge so to speak . were a stock bike may not be so fine tuned for the ion censers not to have the movement ( band width like the 02 censers ) .. i just changed the plug wirers to the old ones and it sounded better ( with the SE leads it was louder retarded like ) ill test ride in a minute .. still got high comp plugs only difference i can see in them is 35 thou gap instead of 40/42 .. ps. i did put the grease on the leads though .. maybe that changes the resistance too .. ill see if plugs work okay .. i had no problem befor with stock plugs and wirers but thought time to change as they are 12 years old now but only 25,000 miles old .. keep up the good work
@@jondoe8816 thank you Jon! Glad you're getting to the core of it and hope it brings you another 25,000 trouble free miles.
@@KrakensGarageandAdventures fixed .. still got plugs in okay.. ill see on a ride.. when started it sounded more camier than befor but the plugs were sooty from the lead sarga
@@jondoe8816 I have an 08 sporty 1200 and I just installed the SE plugs and SE 10mm wires and it sounds more cammie when idling and there’s more engine vibration. Didn’t have time yet to troubleshoot it so see if it’s supposed to be like that or if it’s the wires or plugs that are causing it
In my 2010 Superglide C maintenance manual it gives the wires an Ohm resistance rating. Check them once in while.
Good information Jimmy. I'll keep an eye on it. Eric
@@KrakensGarageandAdventures Unfortunately that wont tell us if they're cracked and grounding out.
2019 Road king Special With 128” kit I’m getting P2300h & P2303h codes and bike just dies. This happened a month ago. I replaced the plugs and new SE plug wires to replace SE wires and error cleared and I rode a month with no issue and today it happened again and I had to get a trailer ride home. I have a coil not sure of I’m going to put it on. I’m thinking I will put my stock wires back on!
I sure hope it a simple fix by placing the stock wires back on. Good luck to you sir, and I hope my video helped in some small way.
Why does the word “pertinent” always grab my attention?🤔
I say I say there son, it’s PERTINENT information. 🐓
You must have watched too much Foghorn Leghorn! LOL
Awesome 😎 thanks mate you’re saved me sum bucks
Delphi system, measure the resistance of phat wires and plugs…..they should be the same! Dielectric grease is by its name an insulator ! If you use it do so sparingly……and for your spark plugs do not use copper grease on new plug threads….they come with anti seize as standard…..happy daze.🚀👍
Thank you, very helpful tips!
I put 8mm accel red wires on my 1200 sportster custom they said they dont mess with the ion sensing they do great
Good deal Sennis glad they worked out for you. Eric
I bought them thinking the actual wire was larger, it’s just the insulation that’s bigger.
It's primarily a cometic upgrade, being sold as a SE race part. I can't say I'm pleased about my purchase. Thanks for watching.
@@KrakensGarageandAdventures If I had every dollar back that was “wasted” on a motorcycle my retirement would look a lot better than it does.
I'm running the screaming eagle spark plug wires on my 01 Harley heritage Softail. I see no problems whatsoever
I put them on my Roadster and have no issues. I'm glad to hear they're working out for you. Eric
Great video brother really useful info 💪
I hope it was helpful for you. Thanks for leaving a comment. Eric
@@KrakensGarageandAdventures yeah, really helpful thank you. Keep up the great work ✊
Great information 🤔
I hope it was useful for a few folks out there. Thank you for leaving a comment. 🙌
Hello sir,I am from Indian.Sir i recently installed vance and Hines short shots staggered exhaust on my Harley Davidson iron 883,after installing a missing problem is happening.When there was a stock Exhaust this MISSING problem doesn’t happen but after installing V&H Exhaust a power missing issue is arising,please suggest some method sir
Hmm that's rather odd. Do you have a V&H fuel pack 3 tuner installed and programmed? If you don't, then that would be your issue. When you change out the pipes and/or the air cleaner you have to make changes to the fuel mapping to allow for the extra air flow. Good luck. Eric
makes since my question is does it improve performance if you added motor upgrades
It would if you say punched your motor out to a stage 4. But the performance upgrade is very minimal.
Great video.
Not really, technical videos tend to be long and boring but I hope it helps a few new bike owners. Thanks for watching.
Does it make a difference using 8mm vs 10mm wires?
Not at all. You have to be running a 1/4 mile drag bike with a built motor to use the 10mm. I hope this helps.
hey! i have a question,, being that you and i have the same benelli tnt 135! i wanted to switch my spark plug wires out to green ones, taylor or steady has them,, 8mm i thing, but i was a lil confused on how to do them or if i needed more stuff to go with it.. can you do a video? thanks!!!
I'll see what I can do. ;)
@@KrakensGarageandAdventures ya apparently the 8mm may be too large and 7mm maybe better? who knows, steady says i can get the wire and unscrew cap that goes on plug but then have the spicer to connect it to the housing part. cause apparently benelli glues that side on . i would love to see a vid of you doing it, i have the utmost confidence in you!!!
EFI. So, my carburetor ‘05 FLSTC should be good?
Absolutely 💯
so is higher mm wire fatter or skinnier? 8 fatter or skinnier than 10? 10mm is bigger then 8mm but with wires i tought lower gauge is fatter
Normally you're correct meaning the lower the number on the wire gauge the ticker the wire. In this case I'm starting the Phat pugs are 10mm and the OEM stock plug wires are 8mm. I hope this helps.
Pretty self explanatory? 09 1200custom looks like I got to take the tank off to fish it through...
Well, that is annoying. Definitely self-explanatory. You'll have no issues.
@@KrakensGarageandAdventures Well I got it. Self explanatory pain in the ass. Didn't realize the wires I ordered were about as big around as my thumb. If I do it again the factory stuff is going on. Due to the frustration I didn't get the desired placebo offect of increased performance...
So what about older carb models? He mention anything about that ?
Yes, he said no issues at all. So you're good to go. Good question.
@@KrakensGarageandAdventures thanks for the info & vids. 👍
Never knew...🤔😆
Me either till I stumbled into this. 😂😂
Go see Doc Harley .. he’ll set you right ..😂
@@deantaylor1512 He has a great channel!
👍👍
Thanks for watching my content.
What seat is that on your bike?
Arvin, that's the OEM standard seat that came with my 2014 WG. Thanks for watching. Eric
@@KrakensGarageandAdventures thank you. Informative video btw !
@@arvinquiroz7665 Arvin, many thanks for that. My channel is small and it's rare if someone shares that it helped them. Ride swift, ride safe. Eric
Would I be able to run them on a 2012 sportster XL883N
Yes sir, check out this part number and choose your color of wire. Eric www.harley-davidson.com/us/en/shop/Screamin-Eagle-10mm-Phat-Spark-Plug-Wires/p/31902-08A
hahahahah....try premium fuel....and maybe re gap the plugs....
so basically...come this weekend.....get on your bike ride and have a good time...sooooo what did all that RESEARCH prove???????? NOTHING.....another inter web boy GENIUS...
1. It proves the parts staff aren't well rehearsed on what parts might cause an issue. 2. Unless you have a really built motor it's just anesthetics 3. If you experience intermittent running it may be the phat plugs causing the issue. Genius? No, I spoke with professionals in the know and reported the news. Thabks for watching. Eric
Great video.
Thank you for watching and commenting. Ride swift, ride safe. Eric