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Episode 1, Essential Information Series - Kerosene Heaters
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- čas přidán 24. 02. 2019
- Finally correct Information about Kerosene Heaters.
You have been asking about my Kerosene system that I use, so here are the Farmhouse videos where I talk about my complete Kerosene system:
Book 5, Chapter 3, • The Farmhouse, Book 5,...
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Book 5, Chapter 6, • The Farmhouse, Book 5,...
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Miles Stair wicks: www.milesstair....
BurnzOmatic butane lighter: www.homedepot....
UEi Test Instruments PDT550 Waterproof Digital Thermometer: www.amazon.com...
Military Aspen Systems Thermo-electric Fan, TEF-III, extremely hard to find! : stovefanreview...
How the die casting for the heater was made: www.sfsa.org/t...
Good job I usually don’t stay long on videos but I watch yours to the end because I could tell you know what you’re talking about. Thanks.
Another CZcamsr did a temp read. These things reach over 600 degrees! I’m impressed. I actually picked one up yesterday. Thanks for the helpful tips!
I found this information very helpful and appreciate your posting it, getting tired of being a victim of the Texas Grid!
Amen Bro
I just got one I was a victim last year in TC not this year!!
What color is the flame on yours ? Is it orange or blue ? I'm trying to get mine ready
I live in the mtns of NC and we have one of those we got back from the blizzard of 1993 when it snowed 5ft, I was 7 at the time and have never used it and I just got it out and was wondering about cleaning it up and getting a new wick and using it in my out building and this video cleared up everything I was concerned about with it, thanks a lot I subscribed to your channel.
Thank you for easing my fears. I needed a heat alternative to electric and got one of these. But I have been afraid to use it. Thank you for this education!
Excellent video, thank you. Now the search is on for that kettle fan, and thanks for the links!
Hi there I’m searching also up here in Canada.
Any luck?
I was lucky to find one and bought it on Ebay. Someone from California posted it on EBay. Although, it a second hand, it was well looked after. It comes with black round plastic case to restore when not in use. It was expensive plus postage to Australia.. we are heading to winter here in Australia .The package had arrived 11th of April 23.. I know it’s expensive but I’m happy that I have got one. Cheers..
Stumbled on this, I just bought a kerosene heater about 3 or 3 weeks ago. I use it in my living room sporadically, for about an hour & one half. I do plan on getting one of those little fans, but I REALLY like the big one. Winter in the desert can get a bit nippy, so it's not going to be used THAT much. Thanks for all your tips.
Some smart ideas here! You’ve got me thinking about sterling engine fans that use heat to power the fan without ever converting to electricity, making them much more efficient. I’ll have to get one of these old surplus military ones and convert it
Already did a video on a Sterling fan powered by Kerosene: czcams.com/video/swz1kXPGHaM/video.html
@@greghall_The_TechEditor whoooooo!!! Sorry I didn’t check your other vids. Awesome! Thank you
All good information to know. I've got several that we keep at the ready
I've used those before. It will heat a good sized room fine. And just leave bedroom doors open. 20,000 BTU. I didn't have a fan. The fires are from where people set them. Don't put near a window with curtains, furniture etc.
Wonderful videos glad I found them. Kerosene seems like such an economical fuel source for cooking and heating. I think it gets forgotten about with it being more of an "old school" method compared to our Mr buddy propane heaters, msr isobutane stoves etc. Ir can be a bit daunting looking at a lot of these used older stoves and tech for someone whose never seen it before. But for the cost of kerosene and how far your dollar goes its such an excellent option. I'm in the middle of Canada in a bigger city so unfortunately I don't own a wood stove. It gets extremely cold here in the prairies with minus 30 celcius or minys 40 celcius isn't abnormal in the winter. My plans for temporary heating before was just a Mr buddy running of a 20l with a fuel filter and hose. Adding a kerosene heater and hopefully a stove soon will be fantastic. I've already got some feuerhand oil lamps.
Im confused about the cost. At 4 gal per day and $10 a gal for 1K thats $40 a day or $1200 a month!
Kerosene is now 7 and 8 dollars a gallon
Heater works fine by itself no need to buy the fan
Yes I still have my 2 heaters from the ice storm in Montreal in 98 ..still running on the same wicks
Hi, and how often do you use them since '98? Thank you
Anyone knows how many liters these heaters consume per hour please? Thanks for the info and your effort!
I used my woodstove fans for my 9000 BTU kerosene heaters and I noticed that even though they work just fine, the kerosene heaters get hotter than what the woodstove fan temperature is rated for. I read in your comment section that the woodstove fan will eventually burn up because of this excessive heat and for this reason, I have decided to use my ceiling fan instead the woodstove fan and save my woodstove fans for power outage use only.
@Greg Hall, great info. Thanks
Ive used a lighter for 10 years on the same heater with original wick without failure. Just figured I'd throw that out there!
Thank you
The problem I see is that 1 gallon of kerosene only lasts maybe half a day. So if you had to use
the heater for at least 21 days since the roads were closed as you say, that means you must have
had over 40 gallons of kerosene on hand. Do you always keep that much kerosene on hand? How long will the kerosene still be good if several years go by without needing to use it?
The pink stuff for the Laser heaters, I have 3 x 275 gallon tanks and for the clear, I have a 55 gallon blue plastic drum. Kept away from light, air and moisture, kerosene can last for many years. My oldest Kero is from 1998!
😪There was a Old Man that I knew that called the Police because the flame🔥was to high and he did not know what to do, heater was New to him. This Cop showed up and tried to push the kerosene heater with a broom to get it outside of this mans garage. The Cop knocked it over and caught the mans garage and home on fire. 🔥🔥Total loss. True story ! 😪
Thank you sir.
What model could you recommend for not pinned wick kerosene heater? Please help me as I was paying $1500 monthly for my electric studio type apartment. Thanks in advance, appreciate it.
Asked and answered by Miles Stair at www.milesstair.com here:www.milesstair.com/Frequently_Asked_Questions.html#18. My list is also in the video, the list of unpinned wicks that I showed.
I can't find that surplus fan anywhere online? anybody have any links? I am using a cast iron fry pan on top to keep the heat from going up to the ceiling, but that fan looks like a great idea.
Since I filmed the video, the supply has really dried up
I have been trying to find one as welll but haven't had any luck. I bet it would be relatively easy for a clever guy to make. I bet you could make and sell these Greg!
I have a the model 2301 heater, got mine in 1999 use it when it really gets cold, I have never had a problem with mine, I use the long reach matchs, 75 matchs to a box
Run it on diesel. It's cheaper and burns hotter (diesel puts out more BTUs because there's no wax in it) Kerosene stinks and is too dam expensive. And if you can, install a ceiling fan above it (or small fan blowing down from above) really helps distribute the heat.
While it may burn hotter, I prefer not to breath injector pump lubricant!
@@greghall_The_TechEditor Injector pump lubricant? Diesel fuel for diesel engines. You don't breath it (like stinky kerosene) it burns clean (if you have your heater set right)
@@PainterD54 Diesel has injector pump lubricant in it to lube the injector pump and the injectors. What do you think happens when that is burnt??
@@greghall_The_TechEditor It burns up with the diesel fuel, but you can't smell it. My wife used to comment she could smell kerosene when I used it but not now. All I know is it works much better and NO FUMES!
Thank you. Great video
15 years of kerosene devices in use is enough to offer advice. Batteries quickly die and the holder rusts. I get cheap boxes of matches at Dollar Tree. Long type butane lighters that are refillable are easy to maintain and refill.
we use a tower fan near it and it heat most of the house fine
Thanks you for the video, I bought one at Lowe's the big storm coming
Got one running right now with the power outage going on. Heats beautifully.
Great video! Thanks!
thanks for your knowledge ,
Can you use high-grade diesel fuel? Someone said that with a bit of rubbing alcohol in it one can use diesel.
It has been done before but I prefer NOT to burn Injector Lubricant that is in the Diesel.
I have searched and searched for a kettle fan unsuccessfully. Any ideas? This would be a good thing for an engineer minded person could make available
If I had to purchase one right now, I couldn't. The surplus market has dried up. Anyone that has one is keeping it.
Great video. Very informative 👏 👌 👍 😀
I learnt a lot, I have a request for you to please write down all the other items you mentioned in the video including the website. Thank you.
I will add that info to the video description.
You can never tell what the weather is going to do here in Texas.
Cheap lighting replacement is a piece of spaghetti, which keeps you from getting burnt
Hey good idea this is the first one I've ever owned and I'm using shish kabob sticks the damn automatic electric and igniter broke within the first 24 hours of owning it
@@CBaskins420 I'll bet that kinda sucks , you can also use a spring off a bic wrap that around a match stick other end anything skinny, antenna works great 👍
I could not find the kettle fan. Your link is only a post. No link to buy one.
I have no idea where to purchase one. They have been out of production for years and out of the salvage market for years too. Only hope is a used unit somewhere on the Internet.
Have you worked w radiant heaters? Good info. Thanks.
I used a Kerosun Radiant 10 and then a 36 for many winters in my shop. Only problem was the limit of 10,000 Btu's when it was really cold. I increased its efficiency with a Kero-Blow (sp?) fan over the top of the heater.
It’s not nice to be sarcastic
Gotta ask: can I burn jet A fuel in my heater? Kerosene is impossible to find unless I'm at lowes and 1 gallon is $14.00
As long as it doesn't contain the de-icer additive.
@@greghall_The_TechEditor many thanks
good stuff thank you
Glad you enjoyed it
i was going to use a heater like this for winter tent camping but was worried about the smell
If the wick is clean, the chimney bleed holes are clear, using clear kerosene and there is no breeze blowing on the unit, there is very little smell.
@@greghall_The_TechEditor oh, ok thanks
Could I sit a metal pan with a little water on top of a kerosene heater to help with dry air?
You could, but a tea kettle would work also.
Kerosene is expensive compared to Diesel... I have found videos of people using diesel by adding an oz of 90% Isophrel Alcohol and using it for years... What say you?
Diesel has injector lubricant in it. I, personally don't care to burn or breath fuel injector lubricant
I've tried diesel with the alcohol. Doesn't work, the wick gets screwed up.
Thank you very helpfull!
Do you have an updated site for that fan.
Yes, But W A Y too expensive! colemans.com/u-s-g-i-thermoelectric-fan
Miles Stare's website has a lot of kerosene information
What it legs are cold to the knees then from there to your belly button if kind warm then to your tights cold. What do I do.
If you add the military Kettle Fan, the heat will be reversed and the warmest area will be from the floor to your waist.
This is very helpful information, but it doesn't help showing the kettlefan since it not available. Please show us another type of fan that is available that would help to distribute the heat.
Sorry but all the other fans that are made for wood stoves, can't take the heat of a Kerosene heater and will eventually burn up!
It is a 23000 BTU Envirotemp Omni 230 style C. I have one...made in Ja!
2.5 gallons of 1K kerosene at Fleet Farm in Wisconsin costs $20.99; I haven't used my heater yet but read that 2.5 gallons will burn about 15 hours; in one 24/7 week that would take 11.2 containers of kerosene, costing approximately $235.00 in fuel. That's freak'n expensive!!!
You are better off purchasing in bulk or from a "locked" pump. In my area, Northern NY, a "Locked" pump price is $3.35 per gallon. Bulk, 100 gallon minimum is $2.95 per gallon.
$3.50 per gal in Maine today.
Kerosene is $4.29 at Speedway if you have one in your area that has K1 at the pump. It still adds up, but buying from Menards or any other retail outlet by the gallon is highway robbery. Hell, even pump prices are but they have us by the gonads..."Where else are you gonna get it from?"
Where I am k1 kerosene is prohibitively expensive and only available at box stores. There are ppl that are using ultra low supher #2 diesel w a pint of 91 percent isopropyl alcohol. The wick must be cotton to prevent clogging. Exhaust is similar to k1 as far as I have read. The cost is about a fourth of k1.
@@dannypresson4815 thanks, I will try that. I assume you mean one gallon of the diesel to one pint of alchohol?
That fan is impossible to find now. Not sure why it was discontinued.
Military stopping purchasing. Civilian price is too high w/o the military subsidizing. Rural Energy Enterprises, 12 yrs ago, sold them to the public. The price back then was $425.00. See here: www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwiC-Maayrb0AhVHQjABHSJsBnEQFnoECBwQAQ&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.livelifewarm.com%2Fnewsnotes%2F2010_Feb.pdf&usg=AOvVaw0Hab4PW6lRrMtevxbg-vta .
I have some kerosene I’ve had in Jerry cans for over 10 years. Can I still use it!
If it was sealed, then yes!
What color is the flame supposed to be , blue or orange ?
On this type of Heater, you get a Diffusion flame that is Yellow / Orange.
To obtain a Yellow / Orange flame, fuel (Kerosene) is on one side of the reaction zone and oxygen is on the other side. There is then an area on the fuel side of the flame where there is fuel that is gasified with no O2. This area is at a high temperature and the heat causes the Kerosene gas molecules to crack and Polymerize (small molecules forming larger molecules). Two types of molecules are formed. One, are light molecules that are burned away and then you have the heavy molecules made up of carbon soot. The carbon molecules move upward to the outer edge of the flame where there is Oxygen available. There the carbon molecules, are heated to a high temperature, glowing a bright yellow (incandescence) as they are burned, producing the familiar yellow light.
Do you have a link where one can order one of those fans?
Please refer to my reply to Manuel Perez below. Only one place that I can find now and their asking price is ridiculous!! But you can set up a search on Ebay to notify you if one ever does become available.
👍 Thanks
how long does a gallon of kerosene last?
It depends on the heater. But on average 8 - 10 hours for a wick heater with an output of 10,000 btu per hour. For the Japanese fan heaters that turn the liquid Kerosene into a gas that is then burnt, 12 hrs thereabouts.
Glad I found your video. I have been looking at kerosene heaters. Used one in Japan years ago and I don't know why they have a bad rap. How do know if it has a pinned wick or not? or did you mean to buy one to with the heater that is not pinned.
Take the model number and go to www.milesstair.com and check the number against his list of pinned or non-pinned wicks
@@greghall_The_TechEditor Great! Thank you so much
Miles Stairs has a lot of information on kerosene that is downloadable.
Finding Kerosene is hard to find. Can't find a gas station that sells it and it's about $10 a gallon in stores.
There are some places in the country that there are few gas stations with the "locked" pump. You could check with local fuel dealers as to the current Kerosene price in bulk for water clear and the minimum that they will deliver. Sometimes a simple 55 gallon Blue plastic drum will suffice.
Thanks but how often do we change the wick?
I change mine when the burn line approaches the orange support material.
$800 for a thermo-electric fan? What a ridiculous proposition. At that price better to buy a portable generator to run a $30 fan, a fridge and a bunch of lights as well.
When I made the video, they were $250 ea. Now the price is ridiculous!
Your army "direct heat to electricity" fan sits directly on top of the heater. All the heaters I see for sale have the wire grid over top. So, the solution is,,,,?
If you notice, I removed the mounting screws and discarded the top cage.
@Greg Hall Oh, the top "cage" is removable? Well, that's handy!
What do you mean by "PIN" - what is it?
Some models of Kerosene heater have riveted pins that insert into the wick raising mechanism. With this type of wick and heater, you can't raise the wick to compensate for the burn down of the wick over time. If the wick and heater use a sock type, you just disengage the wick from the raising mechanism and then raise the wick back to the factory specification. This gives you additional life from the wick.
I appreciate the clarification. Your videos are very informative. Thank you. @@greghall_The_TechEditor
Some wicks have metal pins that fit into holes in the wick holder. Thus there is no adjustment of the wick up and down in the holder.
Love it! Where do you get that fan? I’m heating with one!
Like I stated in the video Military Surplus. Everytime one comes up, it immediately is purchased!
@@greghall_The_TechEditor Greg, did you have an email address. I would like to ask your opinion on some things
@@buckobango hmca@imcnet.net
Do you know where to buy the kettle fan?
I wish I did. I purchased mine when they were out on the surplus market. Now I see them here and there but for outrageous prices. Do Google searches, have a saved search on Ebay and be prepared to spend a lot of money. 'Fraid I open a Pandora's box on these Kettle fans! :(
Do you light the heater outside and then bring it inside?
I have seen video that say to light and extinguish outside but the info on heater I just bought said not to move a lit heater...imagine if you tipped a lit heater over in the process of moving it!
I personally would not move a 22,500 btu heater while running. A small Perfection at 11,000 btu, no problem.
$5.99 per gallon ....5 hours warmth....any questions ?
When I got into Kerosene, it was quite cheap. Then it became expensive and people started dumping their Laser Kerosene heaters for Propane. Then when Kerosene was cheap again and Propane was expensive, why didn't the same people dump their Propane heaters for Kerosene again?? You stick with what you have because of the great expense in changing your heating system every few years depending on the price of fuel. I can store a year and a half of Kerosene for winter heating and my Kerosene water heater. So, I am not affected by seasonal market pricing. Can't do that with Natural Gas, Propane, Electricity, etc. Plus for an extended electrical power outage, if you were smart enough to have Kerosene on hand, that is better than empty Propane tanks with the stores closed or the Natural Gas flow is stopped because there is no power to run the pumps.
cant you use a ceiling fan? or a normal fan from a distance?
If you have AC power than a ceiling fan on low blowing down would work. A normal fan will not work as well because the air is blowing horizontal and the heat is going vertical. You are trying to keep the heat down where the people are.
@@greghall_The_TechEditor my fan has 2 options. winter and summer. the winter mode is circulating the warmth.. I have tried it with another heater which puts the warmth to the ceiling (electric) my bedroom was warm within 4 minutes. So i hope it will work with the one i want to order online.
Can you leave these heaters on over night?
Yes as long as you keep a window cracked 1" for fresh air to replace the O2 used by the heater. This recommendation dates back to circa 1900, when Kerosene heaters were first in use. Still applies today!
Were did you find that fan????
I purchased it from an on-line military surplus store. I did a search for everywhere they used to be. And found nothing!
However I found a company that, right now, claims to have new units in stock and that is most likely because they have raised the price 250% over what I originally paid. That's a lot of coin, but they really do work wonderfully.
colemans.com/u-s-g-i-thermoelectric-fan
What is a pinned wick ? Be nice is you showed it.
A pinned wick has metal pins sewed into the wick cloth that slide into slots on the burner to raise the wick. A sock wick uses pointy teeth to grab the wick and raise it. The pinned wick can NOT be raised any higher than the manufacturer wants you too and when it is burnt down it must be replaced. A sock wick can be raised pulled a way from the pointy teeth and raised 1/4" and and re-pressed into the pointy teeth to extend the useful life of the wick. I would refer you to milesstair.com for images of pinned and un-pinned wicks because I simply do not deal with nor do I own even one pinned wick to show you. Sorry!
@@greghall_The_TechEditor thanks. Mine must have been a sock type. Saved me and the baby when the ex took off on a prudoe bay run and left us without fuel oil.
Can i burn diesel in mine?
This has been asked and answered many times. Yes you can if you don't mind a dirtier burn and breathing fuel injector lubricant fumes!
How many 'dumb ones' are left? Are we near the end yet?
No. There will forever be dumb ones among us. But then again, we're all dumb to an extent 😆
Greg I think you doing a good job but you would really benefit from an editor so that you could shorten your 15 minute videos to 5 or 10 minutes tops the information is good but the presentation is L-O-N-G
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Forgive my ignorance. Is this model pinned?
No. My model is not pinned, just a sock wick.
@@greghall_The_TechEditor ok, so if it wraps around, like yours in the video, it's a sock wick. Thank you for the video.
I dont know what the hell U talking about. if You talking about something that no one has no idea about it show a picture at least.
It is interesting that the other 10,279 people who viewed this video had no problem understanding what i was saying???
Don't burn cotton wicks dry, only fiberglass.
Usually that is true except when trying to level a wick that has burnt lopsided, or the carbon is so bad that it needs to be burnt dry. Yes it will eat wick but you are trying to save a bad wick at this point so a dry burn is worth a try.
Thank you