This Toyota Supra Shows That Big Power Isn't Always The Answer For Improving JDM Classics
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- čas přidán 3. 07. 2024
- I love Japanese cars, but I don't always love the Japanese car scene. Today I look at a car which has been modified, but not in the usual way. I think perhaps this is better - and talk about why.
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Thanks so much for all the kind words on my Supra James!! I thought people would appreciate something different like this, thanks all for checking it out!
Nice one Piers, love the wheels on it. Seem to suit the 199 really well
@@CRD90 Cheers bud! They need a good old refurb as they're looking a bit tired on the faces but I can't get enough of twisted spoke designs, very 90s!
@@PiersBailey yep definitely, I'm looking for a set of BBS lms for mine once it's back from SRD (Currently being converted to manual)
Watching jay change gears in this video made me drool lol - can't wait to get it back and listen to the BOV noises
@@CRD90 Ah mate you'll love it! Not a lot better than a manual 90s JDM sports car!
I love the older car reviews. They are really useful for people who might want an older more cost effective car
Clarkson mentality (petrol head): More power solves everything
Hammond mentality (driving enthusiast): All about the driving experience, the feel of the car, having enough power so it's quick enough but can still handle.
May's mentality (purist). Believes nothing should be modified and doesn't mind old slow cars or new slow cars. Nostalgia. All about the character of the car nothing about performance.
Strangely James's garage is actually full of alot of modern cars whereas the other two's are alot older... who would have thorght James the modern one all those yrs back...😁
Absolutely Love that this guy went with and stayed properly naturally aspirated! Inline 6 cylinders smoothness and eagerness to rev is truly something to be beheld ! Would love to see more non turbo Mk4's for a change, it's refreshing. Lovely car my friend !
I have one of the last MK2 REV 5 MR2's, just a pure driving experience, 90's Japanese nostalgia. I love it and so do my neighbours and other drivers. Wonderful period in automotive design.
Miss my mk2 all the time. Nothing can match those warm days with the roof off and all the blow off valve noises!
Dream car
i love my Mr2
Completely agree with the closing comments made - it's how a car makes you feel that is important and there genuinely is something special about 90s cars.
"Cars like this are it for me"
I've had a mr2 turbo, mx5 and currently a MK4 twin turbo supra.
I have to say you nailed it on the head, every car has its own positive or as I like to think of it their own personality / soul.
I've got a JDM car where it was also part of the "gentlemans agreement" and absolutely love it.
Although I still find myself longing for a suzuki swift for some reason....
Less than half the BHP but in a lighter frame. Where as 10 years ago my life consisted of watching 1500bhp Supra builds...
Drove my mother in laws base spec swift once.. was great. Really agile and FUN.
@@robc9136
It's the true modern Mini
10-15 years ago: hurr hurr 1500bhp go braaap in cheap used toyota
Today: Y u rune klassik?
Nice car. I had the Mk3 A70 shape with a 3.0 Turbo, manual gearbox in Glacier white. Toyota seemed to think that the best colour for this car's leather interior was blue. I deeply regret not keeping it, the Mk3 seems to be more rare than a Lamborghini these days.
I had a mk3 n/a which was my daily, I did have a turbo engine retrofitted. I bet these throttle bodies would work well in a mk3
A MK3 with a 2JZ swap is the ultimate supra in my eyes. I'm sure there's a few out there somewhere.
@@MrManBuzz I'd plum for the 1.5JZ, 1JZ head on a 2JZ block
@@MrManBuzz As a purist, I would rather do a proper 1JZGTE swap (like some of them actually had) in lieu of the 7MGTE motor.
Wow man, I just bought an 88’ turbo, with the manual gearbox and blue interior. its my first car and im so lucky to have found it. Hoping to keep it for my kids one day.
I drive an mx5 (miata) with around 170bhp, similar torque, and what's great about it, is that you can red-line it, and keep it revving high, without getting yourself arrested/deaded. I've owned significantly more powerful cars, but none that replicate the driving experience of my mx5, period.
Completely agree, heck I've even overtaken much higher power cars on track with my mx5. It honestly is the most underrated car when people judge it on its power alone.
You really need to get behind the wheel and within seconds I fell in love.
So right… people in the electric era nowadays thinks a car is just 0-100
My mx5 is a 90hp 1.6 and I love ragging the shit out of it with semi slicks even more as a result 🤣🤣
@@JackJoff lol snap, it's my track car - takes such a beating but is the most reliable car I've ever owned (other than the rust haha)
@@CRD90 mine is my daily so I hope it doesn't die on my any time soon, coming up to 150k miles and I did an oil change about a month ago 🔥
Lovely car. I have wanted one of these my whole life ever since I first saw one in 1993 at an auto show. I still have that Toyota brochure.
Greetings. In early '00, when import taxes were still low, JDM cars filled the whole car market of East of Russia. If you were coming to city centre at the evening you accidentally found yourself at the car meet, which was similar to F&F1,2: Supra, RX-7, Chaser, MarkII, Cresta, Soarer, Verossa, Integra, Prelude, Skyline, Imprezzas, Legacy B4, Foresters and all other lovely Japanese cars. Many of them were heavily modified, racing from lights, drifting around roundabouts in winter. The sound of turbocharged 1JZ,2JZ, is stamped in my memory. Also, I do clearly remember RX-7 having fun after snowfall and shooting flames passing by. What a lovely era it was. Thank you very much for all your JDM cars reviews. They remind me of childhood and friends.
Nice video. Keep up the good work.
Thanks J, enjoyed the review!
Brilliant video James. I totally get the viewpoint of a car putting a smile on your face as apposed to chasing numbers. Especially when the car is predominantly used for road driving.
Really enjoyed that, with plenty of well-thought-out points about what some drivers want out of a car.
Would like to see you test a Nissan Z32 300zx tt. Its been increasing in value since of late in the US.
Congrats on 300k! 💪
Keep bringing it, Jay!
Brilliant James. As soon as I saw this video pop up I had to say to the Mrs you need to give me 30 minutes. It's nice to see you driving something I used to love when I was 18. Perfect 👍👍👍
Awesome piece J,thankyou. Except the "whole nuther" slip,you did great!
Nice channel partner 😎
I’m a huge fan of MK4 Supras, and own an Alpine Silver factory TT 6 speed myself.
One honest question: Why do car owners in the UK leave their engine bays looking so terrible on such legendary cars?
Oxidized, rusty, nasty stuff that people on this side of “the pond” would loose sleep over seems to be totally acceptable in the UK.
it's the same with our teeth 😂
Japan really does know how to build a car. I absolutely adore my 2013 mostly stock toyota 86, it is pure driving pleasure and it's got enough power for the road. To put this into perspective I have a pretty decent collection including an Aston, a Ferrari plus others.
Often thought about buying an NA manual supra as a restoration project. Sounds great. Looks great and apparently even drives great.
Thank you Jayemm for you continued effort to make these great videos!
Bought a red 86 , manual, in 2012 and enjoyed it for 8 years. Kept it totally stock except for the TRD air filter.
Had some niggles with it but all sorted under warranty.
funnily enough i found Pier's channel about two days ago and loved how it sounded. brilliant car
Thanks Jowo!!
JayM. Very mature review of this 2jzee ! The balanced approach with improving this vintage japanese halo' car is 255Hp, 255 section tyres on 18" racing rims and the TRD bodykit is understated cool ? V.
Lovely video. Well presented and commentary was well done!
It's an SZ non R buddy.
All rear seats are leather.
The seats came like that standard in the series 1 cars. All of the rear seats came in leather/vinyl no matter if the fronts were leather or cloth. Very weird.
That's really really weird
Lovely cars. I especially like the design of the back end on these - the rear lights and spoiler look great. It's a car I should have owned and never did. I have owned an MR2 Roadster though, which was good fun. Currently driving a Fiat 124 spider which is also a lovely car.
Now THIS I have been looking forward to.
I bought a two year old TT6 in 1998 and still have it. Looks the same and not changed mechanically at all. In the early 2000's you were plain weird and scoffed at if you didn't mod your car; a modded single turbo car would fetch up to three times the price of a stock example. How times change, stock is now where its at. I am so glad I never modded my car. Its now worth a little bit more than I paid for it (index linked) as a nearly new car 24 years later. Absolutely bullet proof and no rattly dash.
I envy you Brits of being able to drive a JDM on the correct side of the road.
Never seen those old Toyota UK photos at the 4.33 mark - very cool. Immediately recognised the location as Denbies Wine Estate in Dorking! Just round the corner.
I have an Evo 5 RS and a 6RS and both are highly modified.They really come alive with the CORRECT tuning.
The 5 runs just under 700 hp and the 6 runs 420....everything has been modified and strengthened to suit the extra power and they are both a joy to drive, although sometimes the 5 is a bit more frightening than joyful!
I would have no idea what to replace them with , if i had to, and have no intention of selling them, anyway.
The Japanese cars of the 90s give you a very special experience that i don’t think can be matched by modern cars.
EVO 5 RS is a dream car for me....thought I'd save up and get one, but there prices have skyrocketed in the last 2 years! I can imagine both the 5 and 6 are pure adrenaline! Well done mate 👍 superb taste
CP9A chassis is, IMHO, the best car that came out of Japan until around 2007. Then the R35 came along. Look after your ones - they are very special cars.
Dream car
Mark RC Thanks!
Its a shame the prices have gone that way.Iv had 6 Evos and a couple of imprezas, over the last 20 years or so.People are now seeing them as something to store away and make money on, which ruins it for people who just want to enjoy them.
Spare parts are becoming increasingly expensive, too.
I always wanted an R34 GTR, but that ship has sailed as i cannot justify spending 100k on one!
Coordsport GmbH I think iv bought quite a few things from yourselves over the years!
I like to drive them hard, but, for sure, they are well looked after.
Im putting the 5 into CPP, this year, to get a full underside restoration and respray.A lot of people don’t drive them much after they get them restored ,but i don’t see the point in having it just to sit and look at!
I had a 95 SZ (na version) in red with the 5 speed manual. No ABS, no TC, great fun. I had a HKS exhaust fitted and it sounded stunning. .except at 6.30 in the morning according to my neighbours!
Love my Celica ST202, 3sge engine, so 175bhp, race exhaust manifold to straight through exhaust, red linging in 1st, 2nd and 3rd doing 80ish, so much fun and then you lift off and you get the pops and bangs as the bits of unburnt fuel explode in the exhaust👌
Brilliant video James.I’m not a fan of the Japanese scene either but I’ve always loved the Supra, and this one is a stunner. 😉👌🏻👍🏻
Lovely bit of kit that . Value going through the roof as well .
Love inline sixes! Smooth and sound great! I'm looking for a 3.5 V6 for my 92 Mr2 Turbo project car.😝
Sounds wonderful
The noise that makes with those throttle bodys and the 2j singing with it. What a car!
Really enjoyed this one James a real drivers car without being a flash bast-d the perfect petrol head car in my opinion 😁
I know what you mean with a car being just around fast enough. I have a ford focus st225 and the previous owner put a map on it. It's pretty much perfect, you floor it and it flies. I find I mainly use about half throttle to enjoy the sound of it.
Sounds nice 👍
I've been waiting for this one 😍 ☕
Lovely car. Can’t wait for the S2000 tho. Planning a K20 ITB swap build shortly
Interesting take on the JDM scene.
Nice review James! I think you hit it on the nose. May I offer an inexpensive alternative to the very wonderful and spendy MKIV Supra? As you most likely know, in the US, you can pick up a Lexus SC300 (Toyota Soarer) for $5,000 for a decent car or $8,000-$10,000 for a nice car. The SC300 has the same non-turbo 2JZeeee-GE as in the Supra, a very similar suspension, and a stretched wheel base. Oh yeah, and a much nicer interior. The back seats can be occupied by actual adults for short periods. If you need more power, opt for the SC400 especially 98-00 models. Some SC300s even came with a manual transmission but those are almost Unicorns. I've been restoring a 98 that I purchased for $2,400 and refreshing the suspension and leather interior. It's a pretty sweet car especially with the 18" wheels and tires, thicker sway bar, and new shocks. Yeah, it's an automatic but a manual trans can be swapped into it. The auto is pretty smooth though. I like it especially on long trips but I would love to put an Aisin AR5 (R154) from a Pontiac Solstice or Chevy Colorado in it. Watching you enjoy that Supra is giving me the itch.
great soundtrack!
Sounds bloody good
Very refreshing to see a NA 2j build with throttle bodies, much cooler than your ebay turbo kit like you said. And when you explained the steering it got me thinking are people wrong when they say the Supra is over hyped? Im not talking about the price or the power, im just talking about handling characteristics.
Totally understand as I drive a similar car, an E91 325i. It has the n/a N53 straight six producing much more music than power (which surely must be a very desirable feature). It's also a boring shade of grey with bodywork issues so very much the equivalent to this Supra.
Sitting at an equivalent underdog position in the range compared to a 335i or anything recent with an N54/N55 turbo that everybody seems to feel obliged to crank up to stupid power.
Thanks to encouragement from current pump prices I am achieving 38mpg combined whilst enjoying four adult seats and decent luggage space. Theoretically fitting a 330i intake with a remap would take it up from 218 to around 270hp so still room for improvement. But it's already a fantastic car that I would struggle to replace. Currently worth very little which takes away stress of ownership but maybe one day people will realise what they are missing thanks to cracking reviews like these...
Given the open ITB's, I wonder if you should stick a mic up in the engine bay to capture some of the induction sound. To be honest, the induction often accounts for more of the pleasing "sports car" sound that people are looking for than the exhaust.
Loved my 1994 Mk. 4 Supra Turbo, and my 1989 Supra Mk. 3 Turbo, and my 1988 Mk. 3 Supra. I've never owned a JDM one though - no point when they were sold in the UK anyway. I don't think there were any really special JDM versions of the Supra. Unlike the Skylines that had many JDM versions.
My favourite thing in the entire car has always been the dashboard. Even if it looks dated, it has that cocoon feeling.
Yea I love how the interior was designed to be so unapologetically driver oriented. Literally the only thing the passenger is able to control is the ability to shut or open their vents lmao
@@YouOnlyIiveTwice I'm a full on sucker for cockpit designs :)
Great video, I wish I kept my N/A - T! Paid £5000 for it in 2016, sold it for £6000... Ouch.
They’re a nice looking car and I had a UK twin turbo one in 2005.it was crazy quick as it had a map on it but it didn’t massively excite me. Very smooth comfy car but not a classic drivers car from memory
I had a GTR33 and 200sx’s beforehand which all felt more exciting
The Nissan's are both more exciting cars. The Skyline is a road going race car and the 200sx a lighter weight sports car. The Supra's naturally a big GT car similar to the 300ZX and Mitsubishi GTO class.
Jay you need to book a roadie and come down to New Zealand we have a massive Japanese motor vehicle scene which I think you would really enjoy. I am currently undertaking the worlds first ever restoration of a second generation Toyota RAV4 which I will hermetically seal in a container which is only to be opened in 2045! See you soon!
I concur about big BHP doesn't always work. I test drove (many moons ago) a Peugeot 205 GTI with a MI16 engine swap by a company who claims to have specialised in this... it was awful. Felt loose and wallowing in what felt like a slower car to me than the standard model.
Might have more to do with the "specialist" than the car. Slapping parts on is no guarantee for success. A 205 MI16 done right would be a lovely little thing.
The 205GTI was, in my opinion, perfect from the factory. If only Peugeot could find their old magic again.
@@resnonverba137 Peugeot used to be a golden make really
Simply brilliant sir. Car great, I'm sure, but your explanation as to why, is even better.
The whole basis of new cars has lost the plot.
Go back to at least pre 2010.
100%
newer stuff generally has no character, don't care if it's quicker.
Interesting video. I prefer revs to blow too.
Still don’t understand why people don’t hoover their cars before giving them to you though!
We do, but literally 10 minutes of us getting in and out of the car for shots, swapping seats, during winter = a very messy carpet very quickly.
I had a 94 twin turbo in black with a auto box. It was a cracking motor. I changed it for a Ferrari 348tb but have to admit the Supra was the better car
I had a mk4 supra silver naturally aspirated with the auto gearbox lovely car a bit more of a cruiser , it also had leather seats in the back and cloth in the front, I believe originally if you ordered leather you would get the front seats as well ,all I believe came with those leather seats in the rear 🤷 loved the I,T,B.
I had a Soarer 3 litre automatic (one of several Soarers I owned) - the 2JZ-GE mated to the 4 speed auto really is a bit of a let down when you bury your boot - but it's still a sweet engine, super easy to work on and almost indestructible.
I just wonder what a ZF 8 speed auto will do to these cars that had 4 speed autos.
I love the Mk 4 Supra, I will never get tired of seeing one.
Hey,,,,where was the "bu-Bye" at the end? LOL
Nice, I'm only 27 and feel the same in terms of power etc, had Accord Type R, Preludes and other hot hatches, but I've started looking at Kia Rios and Swift sports etc
I hired a Swift Sport at the Nurburgring back in 2010, fully stripped and modified (apart from stock n/a engine) it was so much fun and kept up with much more potent motors. You could redline it in every gear, make it oversteer on lift-off and somehow it remained safe and reasonable. It would still be a fantastic base for a road car nowadays.
I find to be quite crazy how much a turbo changes the exhaust note of a car ! I know people R going to disagree but the similarity to the late 90s-early 2000's M3 sound of the exhaust is something I always loved and I just love this car!
Interior could do with a bit of a clean, tbh. And sorting out the hazy headlamps would help, too.
Great video.
Is the steering wheel a little bent....?
Loved my 1998 imported supra in quicksilver. Was awesome 😎 Would be worth a fortune now... Sold it 12 years ago 😂
Vinyl rear seats and cloth fronts were standard across the range.
The very version I'd be interested in, throttle bodies seem to be a great mod!
Next time you back in Glasgow you need to try my Supra (the one you saw up the campsie) Single turbo 6 speed with 720bhp. Nothing to crazy. Then see if that changes your mind on the power thing 🤣🤣
Always liked the MK4 supra, but I've always preferred the later model Mitsubishi GTO/3000GTs. Both legendary cars!
I remember grandads supra, kept twatting my head on it trying to get in and out of it. Was the coolest car i've ever seen or been in though
A mitsubishi gto or 3000gt is still a dream car of mine. It was my first car in the old gran turismo games
I don't have the money right now to own and run one but I hope in three or four years to have the money to get one
Man, if it's got ITB's you gotta give us the intake sound, it's gotta be glorious.
This Car is Beautiful
Yep, I wouldn't ever turbocharge my K24 Honda. The N/A sound puts a smile on your face, regardless of the speed.
thats because you never heard how a turbo k sounds
@@umaireg6 you are the type of person jayemm bemoans in this video. And everything wrong with car culture elitism/number chasing.
@@The_Noticer. when did I say anything about power? I was commenting on your statement regarding sound. Since you brought it up...I would for sure turbocharge my k series if I had one. I don't wanna get passed by toyota camry.
@@umaireg6 or just build a super high compression N/A K24...
@@umaireg6 if a person likes the flat crank revs of an engine in na form do not expect him to like bullet or deflating sounds of a turbo.
That is a classic. Japanese reliability in an exotic. Maybe a gen 1 NSX sometime, Jay?
For me, It is all about the noise, not the speed.
I may be very wrong, but I believe the SZR came with a 6sp and LSD. I know of a guy that had a 6sp in his NA when it was imported.
Car park tomfoolery is one thing but the A3, A Class, Golf dickheadery on the roads is far more damaging, and dangerous, imo.
Yep and the amount of bellends in AMG Mercs is off the scale
100%
There's classist elements to the JDM scene too, or rather certain peoples dislike of JDM cars. They're usually owned by young working class people.
Very different demographic to the German performance car scene for example.
@@MrManBuzz Is that really a thing still? I haven't seen a ropey old skyline being thrashed in a carpark for ages. Last time I saw a bunch of people acting like twats in a carpark it was all BMW's, VW's, audis and mercs with pop and bang tunes.
@@IdiotRace It's not really the case anymore because their prices have absolutely exploded which puts them out of the reach of the demographic they're associated with. However that reputation lingers long after its become antiquated.
Heavenly Toyota NA sound.
I remember these being in the same class as the Nissan 300SX which is almost a forgotten car.
I love a 300zx
How does the mr2 not get the love? The mr2 turbo is perfect on every level.
Bad rep, mainly because people couldnt drive lol
I've had mine since '08 and its pristine
Epic car - just so many got totalled and with prices getting ridiculously low for a time, they were getting broken up for spares even if they were in reasonable condition. A big shame. Always remember: A man in dandism - mature sporty personal. 😝
Loved mine, regret selling it but ironically sold it to get the supra.
The only bit I hated was working on it lol, everything took 10 times longer in that cramped engine bay
@@odin5188 Absolute dream car for me, I am 15 so maybe possible
@@freddieparrydrums I wish i could say yes, but all JDM cars from the 90s have skyrocketed in the last 2 years. Thanks USA (!) 😌
Nice car something different!
ITBs on a MK4 Supra? Dude that is really cool. With ever increasing government mpg and emissions regulations NA sports cars are becoming more rare every year, so it's pretty awesome to see THE car that everyone puts a turbo on and stupid huge turbos at that being tuned as a naturally aspirated car. ITBs are just cool on almost anything.
I've said for many years that Japanese sports cars and coupes of the 90's were plentiful, very desirable and interesting.
The offerings from Toyota were among the very best.
You are absolutely right about Japanese cars being both the best and worse of the car scene in a sense.
Now you just need to review a autech r32 and check out the na rb26 😅🤙
If you try the twin turbo version, in its stock original form and the six speed manual transmission you might change your opinion about the twin turbo version. The six speed transmission is worlds apart from the automatic... The six speed got shorter ratios and the transmission feels robust in and industrial way and a very weird way, it is not soft and easy like a Civic. It has weight to the action of changing gears.
Top car !!
My first experience of a turbo being too big was on Gran Turismo 1. I had a burgundy Toyota Supra which I had tuned for stage 2 turbo kit putting out somewhere around 600bhp. It was fast and drivable round a circuit. But me being a kid I just thought that "Stage 4 turbo = better than Stage 2", so I slapped a stage 4 turbo on, which gave around 900bhp, and the car went from drivable on track, to completely undriveable accept in a straight line, because the turbo lag was so great that the car had no power for most of the low to mid rev range. It was quite amusing looking back because it was an example of how having a high amount of something isnt always the most important thing.... the stage 2 car was on boost WAY quicker and was considerably faster on the circuit.
The chassis code will tell you what model it is. Think how good the steering would be with the correct size/aspect ratio tyres.
Scale of steering feel：
5 or less/10 “rubbish”
6/10 “good”
7/10 “absolutely sensational”
8/10 “aaaaaaabbbbbsollluuuuteeelllyyy sseeennnsaaaaaatiiiooonnnaaallll
9/10 “almost McLaren level”
10/10 “McLaren”
11/10: Lotus
12/10 Porsche
I love this review it just shows that theres no need to ruin every supra ever with a gazilon hp
In the words of Jeremy Clarkson......POWER!!
I miss my 2 mk4 Supra’s.
Cool car. Would love to have a go. Sounds great too. Reopens the age old question... 2JZ or N54?? 🤔
Side note, I love the little details you go through in your vids! Great stuff. Thanks.
Haha that´s never been an age old question. 2JZ vs. RB26 has. But the 2j has the crown of the best inline 6 period.
2jz is still the king - however, they demand an outrageous premium now. For just a few grand, you can get yourself an m54, turbo it up, and be knocking on the door of 450whp.
B58
2JZ is a heavy outdated pig, N54 breaks by just looking at it. I'd take a Porsche B6 or a B58 over them any day of the week. Or a V8 obviously
7M-GTE
Always loved them. If there's one thing i praise tesla for it is the ( hopefully) end of the 0.03 second faster to 60 is so important and therefore better. The ev's can't beaten on the dragstrip but that's not important at al. In an ice car there's so much more to enjoy end the feeling the car is giving you even on 60% is miles more important to me. The dragtimes took driving pleasure over in the last 20years. Like you said, numbers are just numbers and say nothing about driving pleasure. Hopefully these (numbers) times are gone.
Hello Jay Emm
l have been enjoying your reviews, rants and almost everything else you have done on this channel.
l was listening to your talk on power and you said something like 220HP and 276HP for these cars originally. l just remembered that l have seen and heard that some so-called 'naked' bikes do 200 or more the likes of Ducati, KTM and l think BMW, they are therefore called 'Hyper nakeds;.
It seems strange that these days 160 HP is now a middling number. Although most reviewers seem to state that it is very good and you really do not need more than that in a city or even highway setting, except if you do trackdays which not many do or can afford to.
In a way it is bizarre the bikes have almost the same output as some of the former sports cars. The most troubling aspect especially in some countries where you can start of on such bikes. Let us be honest young people, if they could afford them would probably start out on those.
agreed, bikes are bloody quick nowadays for cheap
This has been the case for almost 40 years now, its not a modern thing, in fact the top bikes back then had more or less the same hp as the top "hot hatchbacks", that isnt the case anymore.
On top of that, getting the licence to ride one is harder than ever in europe, with multiple classes and higher age necessary.
And furthermore, less and less young people ride powerful bikes, its getting to be an old mans game for real. So in terms of relative power vs cars, its less of an issue than ever.
@@GoldenCroc This is crazy, no wonder people think that bikes are dangerous, l always thought its because most people have never ridden a bike before. l was in that camp too till l started riding.
Thankfully with all these modern tools, ABS, traction control, riding modes its a lot safer than before but still its about control, because ultimately the bike still responds to rider input and that takes some control and discipline.
@@freddieparrydrums They are but one thing l have always wondered about is ' have bikes been slacking in as far as efficiency goes or is it they are not a primary means of transport at least for most first world countries such that they are usually a toy, weekend special .
l rode a Japanese 900 the other weekend l rarely did more than 100 due to traffic and a passenger. The figures were around the 6L/100 km mark and l know some cars claim that although they involve turbos and other such wizardry. Still its shocking that a bike with one person is doing slightly better than a car.
I think bikes need to improve on that aspect.
@@bobojo8591 I see your concern, but as you have seem from what I wrote, there is no need to worry. Accidents are in most places lower than they have ever been.
Regarding the fuel consumption, at the speed you said, it mostly depends on how much aerodynamic drag the vehicle generates, and in that regard the motorcycle hasnt got an advantage compared to the car, by as much as its weight difference implies. So its normal physics.
want to know EFI literally says on their website they aren't making these for GTEs they are for the GE's and I am sure that's part of why it was such a pita to get them on.