The power move to do this after fathers day and to turn one of the most anger rage filled beings into a father to break him down and make sorren(stalker) feel the fear of losing jade but to raise him up as something more a protector god this was joyfully painful. Never stop DE
One of the best part abt finishing this quest is that if stalker ambushes you as jade in a mission, he says “NEVER”, drops his loot and peaces out. He knows that this is not his jade, yet he still doesn’t have the heart to hurt us. This quest really, and I mean REALLY humanised stalker in a very good way
What?! After I finished this quest he was green so I thought something like this would happen. But it didn't he attack me and I defeated him like normal. I was so confused, but thought eh I guess he still hates me.
I love the message from Hunhow afterwards, how he sounds like he's so weighed down by what Jade's sacrifice has brought back to him that he struggles to form the words
He said that so forlornly too. Space Dad is all alone now. It would be kinda cool if the Drifter paid him a visit every now and again, well, whenever they could visit, given that them and kiddo can't be in the same place at the same time.
My partner pointed out that the ending reminded them of "Children of Man," where a baby crying stopped a battlefield and everyone backs off to let the father through because, in the movie, it's the first child of its barren era. Here, it's the first child of a warframe, period. Even the Corpus, whose mantra is built around capture and exploitation of resources, felt compelled to give Stalker and his child the right of way as soon as they discovered what his precious cargo was. It's clear by the heavy soldier's gawking that it definitely wasn't what they were expecting. I wonder if they felt honor in allowing them to go or potential dishonor in carrying on? For a Sister, giving up a claim like that is a huge deal, especially with the heads of the organization watching. It's practically career suicide. Perhaps their line of thinking was like, "We came here for riches, not for lives. Theirs isn't ours to take."
You know its even more sad when you think about the fact that Jade and Sorren were probably only turned into warframes as punishment for conceiving a child by the orokin higher-ups (probably Ballas).
Since Ballas was the one that acted as judge, most likely. I am also not surprised to find out Jade's origin. I have always suspected a pregnant warframe would be a thing at some point.
Sorren/Stalker isn't a warframe. He's probably going to take that helmet off at some point now that he's a dad. I think Jade was just one of their non-volunteer frames, since she seems to have been the original Jade Light user and their top executioner. She would have been the one to kill Margulis. I just don't think Ballas would have let go of a pregnant frame if he was aware of that happening
@@MarzipanillaStalker absolutely is a warframe lol. At the end of the quest Sorren says "but the legumes... if the lords found out" implying both of them were punished with becoming warframes. The lotus also stated during the second dream that the Stalker finding out what he was sent him into madness which wouldn't make sense if he was still human. It's also suggested in the opening cinematic of the quest that Jade was sent to fight against the Tenno during the collapse, Hunhow makes mention of her saving him over the golden lords and others. Imo, the orokin executors sending their executioner in a panic to fight back during the genocide against them makes more sense than preserving her purely because she's pregnant.
@@Marzipanilla he can't be human, he wouldn't be alive if he was. even Rell had to partially fuse with his warframe Harrow to be able to survive the time between the orokin genocide and when the other tenno wake up. The only reason Parvos survived is because of his pocket dimension, and ballas because he was combined with sentient tech. Stalker is most likely a generation 1 warframe based on how he looks similar to excal and how he has similar memory and behavioral issues to Umbra. Jade is also a 1st generation but similar to mirage she didn't lose her sanity when being transformed due to the mental fortitude her baby gave her(in her case).
Describing the quest as human is perfect. I've seen people say that it made no sense for the corpus to stop attacking, and I feel they missed the point. We've seen the corpus go against orders even if it meant death, (lookin at you veko) and it doesn't shock me that the Sisters, a group of solely women would stop firing on a baby possibly due to maternal instinct. There is humanity in the universe and they've shown that even our biggest enemies, hell even the robotic ones like hunhow have a level of humanity to them. I've always love the concept of the stalker and hunhow so these past few quests have been absolute treats for me lol.
It may make sense from that perspective, but it makes no sense from Stalker's perspective. He basically walked forward into certain death, trusting that against all odds the corpus would see the child and stop shooting. I get what they want to convey with this human and emotional moment, but it just doesn't fit his character imo. I felt there were a couple of these kinds of moments where the writing and pacing pushes events in certain directions the characters wouldn't organically go on their own, or at least not without steps in-between.
@@holysecret2I mean yeah but Stalker has a child to take care of and protect, in that moment he saw they’d quit firing and that there was no gain at all in provoking them to begin again, putting what he loves in danger. Like. Yeah he’s edgy aggressive boy but why would he try to provoke more gunfire onto his newborn lol
Not even maternal instinct - they're only slightly more money-cult than modern-day first-world citizens. You couldn't bribe a waitress into killing a family
@@-voiddemoni-9243 I'm not saying be would have attacked or provoked them, he would have either retreated or sought a stealthy route. That would have made much more sense rather than gambling his and his child's life on the corpus' unprecedented mercy and change of heart.
this whole quest achieved something i never thought would be possible but the feeling of this quest made me feel like I was playing in a warframe trailer
I think of the music as a representation of this moment. It is something never seen in the whole system. The bittersweet of the joy in life but pain in death, angelic choirs representing the miracle of this new form of life existing. "But all miracles...require sacrifice"
I just realized something watching the quest again. Stalker's energy has always been red with anger but as soon as he holds their baby the energy turns green with hope, making him actually stronger to protect Sirius
I just find it so badass that whenever Stalker wants to he can just break into a corpus ship, steal their ressources and turn their commanders life upside down. He is so powerful. And when she found out that he is the Tennohunter it reminded me of John Wick "He is the one you sent to kill the boogeyman" :D
This quest was something else. Packed a punch. Literal punch. Short and powerful. Also, I actually really like that Fashion Frame show at the end. Using the clan decor camera was nice too.
I hope that that sister isn't immediatly executed for treason. We have a 'traitor' greener, their model Is too detailed to just be a throwaway character
@@AkaBlackNight She better get the Kahl treatment. She goes out of her way to contact the sisters and she then shows that Life is more important then profit. She has to be black listed by them at this point.
I think they actually address this really well in the Ascension mission- some of the dialogue between Ordis and Parvus have him discussing how part of the tenent of the Corpus is no slavery (only machines) so it actually makes sense they wouldn't take a baby. Whether or not the debt camps that exist as a result of the empire he built and the generational/fiscal abuses and slavery that exists bc of him are something that he approves of is another matter...
Jade Shadows Is such an awesome quest, it caused 50% of everyone to tear up and cry cuz a lot of people can relate to it... Man, I want to see more of that baby, it's sooo cute.
I liked operator in this quest, it felt like operator handled situation well in this quest. As I've been bigger fan of Drifter, I thought maybe they could've made alternate cutscene where Drifter greets Stalker with "Hey, we meet again" kind of stuff. But it feels better to see how things have changed compared to The Second Dream, when the last time Stalker and Operater met in the same place. I realized that Stalker has been introduced pretty early in game and has evolved in parallel perspective to us (mainly operator). From Sorren, to Stalker, to Shadow Stalker, and now Jade energized Stalker. Both Hunhow and Stalker have given up their thirst for revenge, for a bigger purpose...
One thing I can theorize from this is that, not too far in the future of the game, we will be in the real of gods vs gods like Wally. I think Hunhow would be the one protecting everyone. Basically like Warframe's Itachi. In general, Hunhow is said to have the goal of Killing Tenno, but he helped in the New War (although it's for Natah), but now, he just gave Tenno a Warframe. That is the complete opposite of killing the Tenno. He is preparing for war, and he is on our side.
Hunhow coming about full circle to become a protector of the system would be kinda beautiful, given everything they did originally was to protect Tau from the Orokin, probably never would have expected having a chance to help heal the Sol system too
I know i cry easily but the fact that warframe managed to make such an impactfull short quest and redeem one of the oldest threats to warframes is insane... I played it myself and watched the stream twice ans still cry at the "you will take care of us,allways..."-scene. Little funfact by the way: [spoilers maybe] The stalker refuses to fight jade. If the stalker invades your mission as jade, he jsut says "Never" and leaves without a fight. God i love this game...
I quit playing Warfram after 2000 hours because it was too good/addicting. I still follow the story because I love the universe. You are my favorite go-to channel because you clearly *get* the artistry of it.
25:05 The music used here is the exact replica of what was used in The New War cutscenes whenever Drifter gave Natah an Archon Shard. I remember it clearly because it was one of my favourite pieces of music during that quest. Glad to see they reused it, maybe that repetition means something to the context in the scene?
The similarity I see so far is that an unexpected ally (Drifter in New War and Stalker here) arrives in front of the person sitting on the chair (Natah in New War and Operator here), and hands over an important part of the story, to make a change.
Also the choice music its reused. The one when you get to choose if continue with drifter or operator in The New War, is reused when you got to choose the name of the child. I don't think it has the same impact as yours, but I wanted to say it because it's also one of my favorite tracks from TNW
@@A_Game_Zone yeah that’s understandable but imagine for example here me out if you ever played cyberpunk 2077 it would be cool if warframe had its own cyberpunk edgerunner kinda thing like that way you got the game but you also have a show to go with it would be epic in my own opinion 👍🏽
My own interpretation is that Jade was an archimedean who invented/discovered the "Jade Light", and the Orokin were very against relationships between the social classes. This becomes even more hypocritical when you consider Ballas was in a secret relationship with archimedean Margulis.
The new game mode adds a lot, too: you start out back in Stalker's base, then escourt the pod containing Jade's motes to the surface where the Orbiter awaits, all too the combat music of that mournful chorale and organ. It really drills in the fact that it's a funeral procession, bringing a casket to its final resting place.
@@jidhindharanm.p9351 New major quest and update coming in the very near future, it takes place directly after Whispers in the Walls and it will revolve around the Proto-frames, the people who where turned into warframes by Albricht Entrati
You can realy Tell that Hunhow Understands and Feels for the Stalker in this situation And its amazing that the Machine is far more Human than the Orokin ever where By letting Stalker go and Be a Father instead if the Orokin who turned him and jade into warframes cause they were gonna have a kid
@@manhhungnguyen2856Here's a fact, the suneater that ballas was using is a sentient named Praghasa, Natah's/Lotus's Mother. (And thought to be the original progenitor of all sentients, aside from hunhow) Praghasa is Hunhow's Wife and Ballas is using her Dead corpse as a "mother" base and make an attempt to end the origin system.
This whole quest made me scream to myself where's my sisters book on Music Theory i need to refresh my head on everything while i listen to Jades music while reading
As another person that wants a ffamily some day, this hurt... i didnt cry the first time because i was astonished at what was happening and pretty much concentrated on protecting the baby but watching you play this, yeah shed tears oof!
@@streakgaming6106 Yes you get all three at the end of the quest, I was referring to the second poster you get, the one you say may be determined by failing the heartbeat? I think it's more likely to be determined by what you name the baby
A little unfortunate that Marco already got Jade Warframe early. Because that very easily gives away that she's pregnant before you even find out through the story.
Even though this was a pretty short quest, I managed to somehow not catch any hints before the quest and I hadn't seen Jade either so I had no idea about the events until they happened and man, that last scene walking through brought tears outta me. All I can say is, DE are almost master storytellers, and taking all of the revelations across all the quests, they are building towards an extremely compelling and wonderful universe. Every time they release a main story quest, it always demolishes my expectations in the best way. They did a masterful job of giving us insight into all the various factions, and the way the Corpus parted, I figure it was the equivilent of them witnessing a miracle, and their commander standing back was a really touching moment. I'm not sure if Corpus can have children, but if not, then it woulda really been a miracle to see an infant, a Frame infant no less. The inplications for the story of Jade Shadows still sits rent free in my mind.
I just keep getting blown away by DE's attention to detail in their storytelling, especially when it comes to emotional hits. At 34:17, watch Stalker's hand. The way he holds it after Jade lets go. It's so subtle, but does more than words ever could.
I had just finished the quest 20 minutes ago, very powerful. They took some inspiration from Children of Men in that scene, but it certainly didn't take away from the experience. Children of Men happens to be one of my favorite movies so it was clear. The quest was short but that last bit was quite powerful. Especially so with that music - DE always delivers on that front. I do wonder on what the implication it will have on Warframe lore. Specifically on Warframes and their creation. That a baby in the womb can be "framed" I suppose if i understand it correctly - that Jade was pregnant prior to becoming a warframe. Carrying Sorren's - Shadow's - baby.
Saw a different streamer that realized the whole thing right around the Juggernaut part cause he cooked a little bit too hard. I didn't realize it till they showed the stomach cause I wasn't thinking too deeply into it. Steve reading that comment from the dev stream a few months ago definitely aged like fine wine.
Happy Father's Day Surprise from DE.... This quest is really beautiful but way to short... would love a lot more, maybe a small mission as Jade... or some flash back of Sorreen being saved by Jade.
This is one of the reasons why I still love Waframe so much even after playing it for so many years. More than the game itself, a lot of the content creators surrounding it have such real love and passion for the game. Most of them are gameplay focused for sure but then there are also people focused on lore and Marco here who honestly has given me a much more deeper perspective and love for the music and sounds of Waframe. ❤❤❤
I missed the first part of the stream because I was busy playing the quest myself but it was great fun to make it into the fashion show! (I’m the demonic Revenant that did the steel path emote, RubySchneeRos3)
Of course Stalker still hunts us after all of this, and my justification for why that remains the case is that perhaps DEEP DOWN, he BLAMES us for not trying hard enough to save Jade, even though it was out of our hands, there was nothing we could've done. Grief can do things to some people after all. At least he's at a point where he can technically cooperate with us for a shared purpose right now. Stalker's always been a stubborn character, from "The Reaper's Lament" story teaser for the update, Hunhow talked with Stalker about putting down the "War" blade and taking up "Hate", the scythe again, he also talked about how the Orokin was never worthy of Stalker's loyalty, and Stalker knew that but it was his "duty", his "way of life" and he could not stray from it. He's a dutiful yet stubborn character.
37:20 Music is straight out of Nier and you can't tell me otherwise. I'm glad music is the thing that connects two of my favourite games. Music do be like that.
Love the fact that even though Ballas has been dead for years, DE is still coming up with new andbinventive ways of making him the worst person to ever live. He absolutely would helminth a pregnant woman and think it a delicious punishment. What a bottomless monster.
Space Dad. Jokes aside I'm calling it. This child is something new, as described in the text. A Warframe that is born, not made. Possibly with unknown potential and power. One that don't need the Tenno. And in a future DLC it will be a thing targeted by the factions. And the Tenno will be tasked with aiding Stalker in protecting the child.
I really hope DE gives Stalker's model a redesign and makes it more unique instead of being Excalibur's body. I also hope Sirius/Orion turns into a sort of baby brother to the Operator. Perhaps Stalker dies in a future quests and he finally lets go of his hate of Tennos and entrust the baby with us.
No need for him to die methinks, lots of room outside the orbiter near Kahl's camp, he already knows how to get to our ship (twice) already. If he, and Hunhow for that matter, can make peace to some degree with the Tenno they have plenty of room
Is this the first time that we’ve heard a Warframe speak? Not the operator, not someone talking on behalf of the Warframe, but the actual frame itself?
@@Someone-lg6di that was only shown for Umbra Excalibur and even then it was specifically so that he couldn’t tell his son about the torture Ballas was inflicting on him. The only other instance I can think of is the Mirage Prime trailer has her laughing but that might just be a sound effect and not ‘actual’ laughter
@@Nick-jt5nb eh I know what you mean because he sends those “imma kill you” messages but I’ve never considered transmissions as “talking”, especially since your operator does it all the time even though they’re inside of a Warframe
What I think about the organ and the chorus combined with the protector figure that is Jade are angels, biblical angels The light that always is seen on Jade all the quest, the way she fly opening her wings and the draws of her abilities: she is an angel
I believe canonicaly Umbra is our Tennos frame after the Sacrifice, which is why Orids asks if Umbra is stalking around the Orbiter Which kinda seems funny to me, Umbra just walking around, doing his own thing while the Operator is asleep or not on the Orbiter I just have an image in my mind of Umbra playing his Shawzin in the living quarters or helping Ordis clean up the place, maybe playing with our Kurbow/Kavat
Hey Marco, I really recommend the other quests you haven't finished so far, they are not part of the main storyline but most of them have great storytelling nonetheless...:)
36:07 When this part arrived, I NEVER even tried using the awesome melee and didn't even notice I had invincibility until I arrived on the elevator. Even after that, I cared more about extraction and dodging rather than killing enemies.
I didn't take the CW at the beginning of the quest seriously and I should have. I'd avoided watching any trailers and due to the mention of "motherhood" in the CW, I thought at first Jade was a mother figure to Sorren the same way Hunhow was a father figure. The moment the pregnancy was revealed, I realized what was happening, but no matter how desperately I tried, there was nothing I could do to save her. I went through a scare very similar to this when my child was born and I wasn't sure sure their mother was going to survive. That story was only a hairsbreadth from ending the way this one did (minus the magic scythe and gatling gun). Playing this quest tore the scars off that old trauma and I sobbed my way through the ending. Without a doubt the most devastating experience I've ever had in a videogame. Whoever wrote this quest knew that pain very well. Pain I wouldn't wish on anyone, not even the Stalker. What was it Ballas said the Tenno could do? "To see inside an ugly, broken thing, and take away its pain." I hope we see our path cross more with the Stalker's in the future, and that we can help him find healing as we did with Umbra.
hey marco you know the best part? that baby is the start of a brand new species that if female will be able to birth more of that new species if they find a future male partner (or male and need future wife) once both reach maturity with either another baby born warframe or Tenno.. something like that anyways
Defectors, like Margulis, who refused to turn over her Tenno children when ordered, were executed be Jade light. For the crime of loving someone and bringing new life to the world, Jade was sentenced to ending life.
idk if he had discovered it yet, but if the stalker tries to assassinate you in any mission, but you are playing the Jade warframe, he instantly disappears and drops his loot without any fight
Hmm, I'm surprised for the whole NEW SUBSCRIBER sound, it wasn't as simple as turning it off in OBS... I dunno which thing you use for it, but I have something called Sound Alerts and it's like a Browser add on in OBS...
5:23 I hope you mean it. I'ma gonna quote you so hard about that. 52:55 you very definitely deleted your messages if thats what they asked. but otherwise it doesn't delete what you get out of them. but I've still got inbox from since I started,
Youre choice of names may have connections to Egyptian mythology Mostly based on the direction set by Narmer, the Sanctum Anatomica. Orion was associated with Osiris, god of the underworld and agricultural. While Sirius is associated w/ Isis, goddess of magic and birth. Do with that what you will I too chose Sirius
Funny you mention Sacrifice; *SPOILER* Stalker is just like Umbra, originally human injected with infestation and turned into Warframe, but without Tenno he lost his mind.
I guess this quest hit other people very differently than me. I didn’t feel this was a well-made quest. It felt rushed. The Sacrifice was definitely better spaced out and felt better to play overall. Idk, maybe it’s cuz I’m not a parent? I comprehend what the quest was trying to do by making us sympathetic to the Stalker, but the Tenno was completely unnecessary for the quest. And they could’ve expanded on the backstory of Sorren and Jade. Like, I wish this quest resonated with me more, I really do. Edit: This story just feels rushed and incomplete. Like a new intern’s project, it has potential, just needs some fleshing out and more time in the oven. Like, the whole warning at the beginning had me thinking they’d explore the pain and suffering of stillbirth. I was wrong.
So at the end of the quest Stalker becomes a Dad and raises his Warframe baby. It would be interesting if the next male frame was Star themed and the stalkers son.
Kind-of, but also a single mom, given how they refer to themselves I don't thing Sentients have clearly defined gender roles. But that's going off into the weeds, as far as it matters they come across as a Dad more or less yeah
21:38 "Wait! Wait! No, no, that's not... Wait! Is this...? Wait! Is this...? Is this everything-Wait! Is this everything-Wait!" Dude, were you having a stroke?
Probably red because Sorren would've wanted it, while Sirius is Jade's choice I believe, the choice is simply to pay homage to Jade, or just pick what Stalker wants to name his kid.
It was a great quest. Short but good. My one complaint is. Why would the corpus suddenly act moral when they had stalker dead to rights. It makes no sense. And it would have been more climactic if the tenno came on to help and we got a boss fight.
@@lewiskazzamo230 it doesn't make sense. She was ordering g stalkers capture and taking whatever he was protecting no matter what because she wanted a promotion. And her superiors where watching. It's not logical for her too suddenly show morals or for her superiors to not just shoot her than and their for her failures and take for themselves.
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The power move to do this after fathers day and to turn one of the most anger rage filled beings into a father to break him down and make sorren(stalker) feel the fear of losing jade but to raise him up as something more a protector god this was joyfully painful. Never stop DE
He still hating 9 to 5 five tho the dedication it's something else
One of the best part abt finishing this quest is that if stalker ambushes you as jade in a mission, he says “NEVER”, drops his loot and peaces out. He knows that this is not his jade, yet he still doesn’t have the heart to hurt us. This quest really, and I mean REALLY humanised stalker in a very good way
It's the details this game does... Amazing
And the individuals of the corpus.
What?! After I finished this quest he was green so I thought something like this would happen. But it didn't he attack me and I defeated him like normal. I was so confused, but thought eh I guess he still hates me.
@@chrisbermIt's only if you are using the Jade Warframe that he does this. Otherwise, he's same as ever, except green.
I mean... at the same time you are using a clone of the poor guy's dead pregnant wife
Before: "Jade will be the Stalker killer, we'll have an epic clash between the two!"
Now: *Hello darkness my old friend...*
I love the message from Hunhow afterwards, how he sounds like he's so weighed down by what Jade's sacrifice has brought back to him that he struggles to form the words
'I remain.. The great and.. terrible Hunhow..'
He said that so forlornly too. Space Dad is all alone now. It would be kinda cool if the Drifter paid him a visit every now and again, well, whenever they could visit, given that them and kiddo can't be in the same place at the same time.
"helped my shadow overcome his vengeance to find peace... nobody left to help me..."
Hunhow doesn't seem like a extremely bad guy, the Orokin were a plague wiping them out is an overall positive action.
As a Father at the end of this quest I was yelling at my monitor "YOU WILL GET OUT OF MY WAY!"
Caught in the heat of the moment
My partner pointed out that the ending reminded them of "Children of Man," where a baby crying stopped a battlefield and everyone backs off to let the father through because, in the movie, it's the first child of its barren era. Here, it's the first child of a warframe, period. Even the Corpus, whose mantra is built around capture and exploitation of resources, felt compelled to give Stalker and his child the right of way as soon as they discovered what his precious cargo was.
It's clear by the heavy soldier's gawking that it definitely wasn't what they were expecting. I wonder if they felt honor in allowing them to go or potential dishonor in carrying on? For a Sister, giving up a claim like that is a huge deal, especially with the heads of the organization watching. It's practically career suicide. Perhaps their line of thinking was like, "We came here for riches, not for lives. Theirs isn't ours to take."
You know its even more sad when you think about the fact that Jade and Sorren were probably only turned into warframes as punishment for conceiving a child by the orokin higher-ups (probably Ballas).
He was probaly one of the first before the tenno were involved
Since Ballas was the one that acted as judge, most likely.
I am also not surprised to find out Jade's origin.
I have always suspected a pregnant warframe would be a thing at some point.
Sorren/Stalker isn't a warframe. He's probably going to take that helmet off at some point now that he's a dad.
I think Jade was just one of their non-volunteer frames, since she seems to have been the original Jade Light user and their top executioner. She would have been the one to kill Margulis. I just don't think Ballas would have let go of a pregnant frame if he was aware of that happening
@@MarzipanillaStalker absolutely is a warframe lol. At the end of the quest Sorren says "but the legumes... if the lords found out" implying both of them were punished with becoming warframes. The lotus also stated during the second dream that the Stalker finding out what he was sent him into madness which wouldn't make sense if he was still human.
It's also suggested in the opening cinematic of the quest that Jade was sent to fight against the Tenno during the collapse, Hunhow makes mention of her saving him over the golden lords and others. Imo, the orokin executors sending their executioner in a panic to fight back during the genocide against them makes more sense than preserving her purely because she's pregnant.
@@Marzipanilla he can't be human, he wouldn't be alive if he was. even Rell had to partially fuse with his warframe Harrow to be able to survive the time between the orokin genocide and when the other tenno wake up. The only reason Parvos survived is because of his pocket dimension, and ballas because he was combined with sentient tech. Stalker is most likely a generation 1 warframe based on how he looks similar to excal and how he has similar memory and behavioral issues to Umbra. Jade is also a 1st generation but similar to mirage she didn't lose her sanity when being transformed due to the mental fortitude her baby gave her(in her case).
Describing the quest as human is perfect. I've seen people say that it made no sense for the corpus to stop attacking, and I feel they missed the point. We've seen the corpus go against orders even if it meant death, (lookin at you veko) and it doesn't shock me that the Sisters, a group of solely women would stop firing on a baby possibly due to maternal instinct. There is humanity in the universe and they've shown that even our biggest enemies, hell even the robotic ones like hunhow have a level of humanity to them. I've always love the concept of the stalker and hunhow so these past few quests have been absolute treats for me lol.
It may make sense from that perspective, but it makes no sense from Stalker's perspective. He basically walked forward into certain death, trusting that against all odds the corpus would see the child and stop shooting. I get what they want to convey with this human and emotional moment, but it just doesn't fit his character imo.
I felt there were a couple of these kinds of moments where the writing and pacing pushes events in certain directions the characters wouldn't organically go on their own, or at least not without steps in-between.
@@holysecret2 I wouldn't be surprised if he was trying to get close to the turret so he could destroy it but failed because he was one-handed.
@@holysecret2I mean yeah but Stalker has a child to take care of and protect, in that moment he saw they’d quit firing and that there was no gain at all in provoking them to begin again, putting what he loves in danger.
Like. Yeah he’s edgy aggressive boy but why would he try to provoke more gunfire onto his newborn lol
Not even maternal instinct - they're only slightly more money-cult than modern-day first-world citizens. You couldn't bribe a waitress into killing a family
@@-voiddemoni-9243 I'm not saying be would have attacked or provoked them, he would have either retreated or sought a stealthy route. That would have made much more sense rather than gambling his and his child's life on the corpus' unprecedented mercy and change of heart.
this whole quest achieved something i never thought would be possible but the feeling of this quest made me feel like I was playing in a warframe trailer
I think of the music as a representation of this moment. It is something never seen in the whole system. The bittersweet of the joy in life but pain in death, angelic choirs representing the miracle of this new form of life existing. "But all miracles...require sacrifice"
Damn you ballas, why do you HAVE to be a dick and be all over the spectrum when it comes to haunting the people of Warframe 👹
I just realized something watching the quest again. Stalker's energy has always been red with anger but as soon as he holds their baby the energy turns green with hope, making him actually stronger to protect Sirius
I thought it was because the baby has Jade's energy/potential which is boosting Stalker's power which makes sense considering Jade is a support frame.
@@Lord_Chibi you're probably right from a lore perspective, my thought was on a more from a metaphorical sense
@@Lord_ChibiHow about both?
This.. this quest gave me emotions that choke me up.. the music was heart touching… I loved every moment
I just find it so badass that whenever Stalker wants to he can just break into a corpus ship, steal their ressources and turn their commanders life upside down. He is so powerful. And when she found out that he is the Tennohunter it reminded me of John Wick "He is the one you sent to kill the boogeyman" :D
He can enter Tenno ship anytime
This quest was something else. Packed a punch. Literal punch. Short and powerful.
Also, I actually really like that Fashion Frame show at the end. Using the clan decor camera was nice too.
38:30 I love how even the Corpus are like ‘we might be jerks but we’e NOT taking a damn baby’
I hope that that sister isn't immediatly executed for treason. We have a 'traitor' greener, their model Is too detailed to just be a throwaway character
@@andreadepolli4322 I hope we're gonna save her in a future and she will become an ally like Kahl.
@@AkaBlackNight She better get the Kahl treatment. She goes out of her way to contact the sisters and she then shows that Life is more important then profit. She has to be black listed by them at this point.
I think they actually address this really well in the Ascension mission- some of the dialogue between Ordis and Parvus have him discussing how part of the tenent of the Corpus is no slavery (only machines) so it actually makes sense they wouldn't take a baby.
Whether or not the debt camps that exist as a result of the empire he built and the generational/fiscal abuses and slavery that exists bc of him are something that he approves of is another matter...
@@Marzipanilla I can't be 100% sure about Parvo's thought on the matter but i feel he wouldn't let an actual miracle like that go to waste
Jade Shadows Is such an awesome quest, it caused 50% of everyone to tear up and cry cuz a lot of people can relate to it... Man, I want to see more of that baby, it's sooo cute.
I liked operator in this quest, it felt like operator handled situation well in this quest.
As I've been bigger fan of Drifter, I thought maybe they could've made alternate cutscene where Drifter greets Stalker with "Hey, we meet again" kind of stuff.
But it feels better to see how things have changed compared to The Second Dream, when the last time Stalker and Operater met in the same place.
I realized that Stalker has been introduced pretty early in game and has evolved in parallel perspective to us (mainly operator).
From Sorren, to Stalker, to Shadow Stalker, and now Jade energized Stalker.
Both Hunhow and Stalker have given up their thirst for revenge, for a bigger purpose...
"Nothing could be worse than Sacrifice"
🙃🙃🙃
DE just knows how to pull at our heart sometimes man 😂😂😂😂
I mean it wasn't, mainly because it was shorter ig
The Sacrifice 2 - Death boogaloo
Sometimes shorter is better the message was delivered well I belive and mystery still remains and people enjoy the unknown
Tbh sacrifice is still better then this
One thing I can theorize from this is that, not too far in the future of the game, we will be in the real of gods vs gods like Wally. I think Hunhow would be the one protecting everyone. Basically like Warframe's Itachi. In general, Hunhow is said to have the goal of Killing Tenno, but he helped in the New War (although it's for Natah), but now, he just gave Tenno a Warframe. That is the complete opposite of killing the Tenno. He is preparing for war, and he is on our side.
Yep, also the inbox message is very telling of his change
Hunhow coming about full circle to become a protector of the system would be kinda beautiful, given everything they did originally was to protect Tau from the Orokin, probably never would have expected having a chance to help heal the Sol system too
I really love how Hunhow developed from possibly our greatest enemy to a somewhat wholesome grandpa.
@@MischieviousJirachi The ending phrase "I remain: The great and terrible Hunhow" was almost endearing.
I know i cry easily but the fact that warframe managed to make such an impactfull short quest and redeem one of the oldest threats to warframes is insane...
I played it myself and watched the stream twice ans still cry at the "you will take care of us,allways..."-scene.
Little funfact by the way: [spoilers maybe]
The stalker refuses to fight jade. If the stalker invades your mission as jade, he jsut says "Never" and leaves without a fight. God i love this game...
I quit playing Warfram after 2000 hours because it was too good/addicting. I still follow the story because I love the universe. You are my favorite go-to channel because you clearly *get* the artistry of it.
Thats extremely valid ngl
I uninstall after every 3 story updates or a year
25:05 The music used here is the exact replica of what was used in The New War cutscenes whenever Drifter gave Natah an Archon Shard.
I remember it clearly because it was one of my favourite pieces of music during that quest. Glad to see they reused it, maybe that repetition means something to the context in the scene?
The similarity I see so far is that an unexpected ally (Drifter in New War and Stalker here) arrives in front of the person sitting on the chair (Natah in New War and Operator here), and hands over an important part of the story, to make a change.
Also the choice music its reused. The one when you get to choose if continue with drifter or operator in The New War, is reused when you got to choose the name of the child.
I don't think it has the same impact as yours, but I wanted to say it because it's also one of my favorite tracks from TNW
@@Rousent interesting
They genuinely wanted to make the quest special and hit hard with subconscious nostalgia
I'm happy they succeeded
Legit If warframe made a show or movie I would watch this was to good
But it's best consumed when experienced urself as a game
@@A_Game_Zone yeah that’s understandable but imagine for example here me out if you ever played cyberpunk 2077 it would be cool if warframe had its own cyberpunk edgerunner kinda thing like that way you got the game but you also have a show to go with it would be epic in my own opinion 👍🏽
@@killer_god-to7qo Feels nice, though it should have differences in its own story so that the game side remains valuable.
@@A_Game_Zone yeah that’s what I mean cyberpunk 2077 the game and cyberpunk edgerunners are in the same universe but have there own stories
It’s been amazing seeing you discover this game through the music and then fall headfirst into it over the years.
My own interpretation is that Jade was an archimedean who invented/discovered the "Jade Light", and the Orokin were very against relationships between the social classes. This becomes even more hypocritical when you consider Ballas was in a secret relationship with archimedean Margulis.
The new game mode adds a lot, too: you start out back in Stalker's base, then escourt the pod containing Jade's motes to the surface where the Orbiter awaits, all too the combat music of that mournful chorale and organ.
It really drills in the fact that it's a funeral procession, bringing a casket to its final resting place.
Quest hit me like a tidal wave, with how good these story missions are I am so pumped for 1999
What's 1999
@@jidhindharanm.p9351 Warframe 1999 is gonna be the next Major Story Quest!
@@jidhindharanm.p9351 New major quest and update coming in the very near future, it takes place directly after Whispers in the Walls and it will revolve around the Proto-frames, the people who where turned into warframes by Albricht Entrati
@@jidhindharanm.p9351Check out the Tennocon streams this Saturday
You can realy Tell that Hunhow Understands and Feels for the Stalker in this situation
And its amazing that the Machine is far more Human than the Orokin ever where
By letting Stalker go and Be a Father instead if the Orokin who turned him and jade into warframes cause they were gonna have a kid
HIs daughter stopped seeing him, his son is dead, his wife is probably dead too (according to Erra). He has a soft spot when it comes to family issues
@@manhhungnguyen2856Here's a fact, the suneater that ballas was using is a sentient named Praghasa, Natah's/Lotus's Mother. (And thought to be the original progenitor of all sentients, aside from hunhow)
Praghasa is Hunhow's Wife and Ballas is using her Dead corpse as a "mother" base and make an attempt to end the origin system.
This whole quest made me scream to myself where's my sisters book on Music Theory i need to refresh my head on everything while i listen to Jades music while reading
As another person that wants a ffamily some day, this hurt... i didnt cry the first time because i was astonished at what was happening and pretty much concentrated on protecting the baby but watching you play this, yeah shed tears oof!
Given we get 3 posters I'm concerned theres an ending for if you fail the heartbeat
Omg that is scary to even think about it
@@Yewrenegade I don't even wanna attempt trying it. Id feel too bad. But I can't find any videos on it
Maybe the poster you get at the end is determined by what you choose to name the baby
@@Ashurman666 I got all 3 tho?
@@streakgaming6106 Yes you get all three at the end of the quest, I was referring to the second poster you get, the one you say may be determined by failing the heartbeat? I think it's more likely to be determined by what you name the baby
A little unfortunate that Marco already got Jade Warframe early. Because that very easily gives away that she's pregnant before you even find out through the story.
Theres a warning before the quest about it being triggering to child birth trauma potential
the unfiltered ability to gift other people and its consequences
@@eyesneveropen-meow-5125 he bought Jade himself
@@Orion_44 i am very stupid
@@Someone-lg6di No, it specifically says, "Trauma dealing with Motherhood." Which could mean so many things outside of birth.
So that is why -jade have 2 aura slot
Holy crap! I didnt even think about that 😮
Even though this was a pretty short quest, I managed to somehow not catch any hints before the quest and I hadn't seen Jade either so I had no idea about the events until they happened and man, that last scene walking through brought tears outta me. All I can say is, DE are almost master storytellers, and taking all of the revelations across all the quests, they are building towards an extremely compelling and wonderful universe. Every time they release a main story quest, it always demolishes my expectations in the best way.
They did a masterful job of giving us insight into all the various factions, and the way the Corpus parted, I figure it was the equivilent of them witnessing a miracle, and their commander standing back was a really touching moment. I'm not sure if Corpus can have children, but if not, then it woulda really been a miracle to see an infant, a Frame infant no less. The inplications for the story of Jade Shadows still sits rent free in my mind.
See, this is exactly the kind of stuff that has me so EXCITED about Soulframe
I just keep getting blown away by DE's attention to detail in their storytelling, especially when it comes to emotional hits. At 34:17, watch Stalker's hand. The way he holds it after Jade lets go. It's so subtle, but does more than words ever could.
I had just finished the quest 20 minutes ago, very powerful. They took some inspiration from Children of Men in that scene, but it certainly didn't take away from the experience. Children of Men happens to be one of my favorite movies so it was clear. The quest was short but that last bit was quite powerful. Especially so with that music - DE always delivers on that front.
I do wonder on what the implication it will have on Warframe lore. Specifically on Warframes and their creation. That a baby in the womb can be "framed" I suppose if i understand it correctly - that Jade was pregnant prior to becoming a warframe. Carrying Sorren's - Shadow's - baby.
Saw a different streamer that realized the whole thing right around the Juggernaut part cause he cooked a little bit too hard. I didn't realize it till they showed the stomach cause I wasn't thinking too deeply into it. Steve reading that comment from the dev stream a few months ago definitely aged like fine wine.
This update was short but felt so impactful I love it
love hearing "new subscriber" 1 million times
I tried 😂🫠
@@MarcoMeatball i thought you had muted it only for you and didn't know we could still here it at one point and i nearly stopped watching the VOD
Happy Father's Day Surprise from DE.... This quest is really beautiful but way to short... would love a lot more, maybe a small mission as Jade... or some flash back of Sorreen being saved by Jade.
Yes, I was hoping the quest was longer too. Maybe there will be more after this quest, cuz this was left on a huge cliffhanger
Now that I think about it, it's similar to apostasy prologue
This is one of the reasons why I still love Waframe so much even after playing it for so many years. More than the game itself, a lot of the content creators surrounding it have such real love and passion for the game. Most of them are gameplay focused for sure but then there are also people focused on lore and Marco here who honestly has given me a much more deeper perspective and love for the music and sounds of Waframe. ❤❤❤
I missed the first part of the stream because I was busy playing the quest myself but it was great fun to make it into the fashion show! (I’m the demonic Revenant that did the steel path emote, RubySchneeRos3)
This quest literally made me cry, and naming the baby make it feel more personal.
Of course Stalker still hunts us after all of this, and my justification for why that remains the case is that perhaps DEEP DOWN, he BLAMES us for not trying hard enough to save Jade, even though it was out of our hands, there was nothing we could've done. Grief can do things to some people after all. At least he's at a point where he can technically cooperate with us for a shared purpose right now.
Stalker's always been a stubborn character, from "The Reaper's Lament" story teaser for the update, Hunhow talked with Stalker about putting down the "War" blade and taking up "Hate", the scythe again, he also talked about how the Orokin was never worthy of Stalker's loyalty, and Stalker knew that but it was his "duty", his "way of life" and he could not stray from it. He's a dutiful yet stubborn character.
The fight against the man in the wall is going to be so intense, I already know
Will be the end game as well unless we move on to New system
37:20 Music is straight out of Nier and you can't tell me otherwise. I'm glad music is the thing that connects two of my favourite games. Music do be like that.
In the trailer, we assumed "The Protector" was Jade, when in reality it was Stalker.
Both of them were protectors
“You still hate them. You still hate… yourself.”
Fun fact, the story was sad, but it was the music that made me cry
Love the fact that even though Ballas has been dead for years, DE is still coming up with new andbinventive ways of making him the worst person to ever live.
He absolutely would helminth a pregnant woman and think it a delicious punishment. What a bottomless monster.
It is a shame, that he could only be killed once.
Space Dad.
Jokes aside I'm calling it. This child is something new, as described in the text. A Warframe that is born, not made. Possibly with unknown potential and power. One that don't need the Tenno. And in a future DLC it will be a thing targeted by the factions. And the Tenno will be tasked with aiding Stalker in protecting the child.
If this doesnt become a Somachord, I will riot
this must lead to the next generation warframe 2! the drama was well written
I really hope DE gives Stalker's model a redesign and makes it more unique instead of being Excalibur's body. I also hope Sirius/Orion turns into a sort of baby brother to the Operator. Perhaps Stalker dies in a future quests and he finally lets go of his hate of Tennos and entrust the baby with us.
I liked Stalkers look in The Second Dream, with the Syandana and the other attachments. In this quest he had none of these.
No need for him to die methinks, lots of room outside the orbiter near Kahl's camp, he already knows how to get to our ship (twice) already.
If he, and Hunhow for that matter, can make peace to some degree with the Tenno they have plenty of room
Is this the first time that we’ve heard a Warframe speak? Not the operator, not someone talking on behalf of the Warframe, but the actual frame itself?
Acolyte one of the first changes to frames was removing their voice
@@Someone-lg6di that was only shown for Umbra Excalibur and even then it was specifically so that he couldn’t tell his son about the torture Ballas was inflicting on him.
The only other instance I can think of is the Mirage Prime trailer has her laughing but that might just be a sound effect and not ‘actual’ laughter
Stalker has always talked, long before this quest
@@Nick-jt5nb eh I know what you mean because he sends those “imma kill you” messages but I’ve never considered transmissions as “talking”, especially since your operator does it all the time even though they’re inside of a Warframe
What I think about the organ and the chorus combined with the protector figure that is Jade are angels, biblical angels
The light that always is seen on Jade all the quest, the way she fly opening her wings and the draws of her abilities: she is an angel
I believe canonicaly Umbra is our Tennos frame after the Sacrifice, which is why Orids asks if Umbra is stalking around the Orbiter
Which kinda seems funny to me, Umbra just walking around, doing his own thing while the Operator is asleep or not on the Orbiter
I just have an image in my mind of Umbra playing his Shawzin in the living quarters or helping Ordis clean up the place, maybe playing with our Kurbow/Kavat
Hey Marco, I really recommend the other quests you haven't finished so far, they are not part of the main storyline but most of them have great storytelling nonetheless...:)
A bit late but apparently they were gunning for an angelic theme with Jade, hence her wings in her design and the music.
As a Nyx main. I'm salty that Stalker's punishment is just a better absorb.
That could be an Augment for Nyx.
Hunhow is actually in his tired grandpa arc. Bro is too tired and depressed to fight anymore.
36:07 When this part arrived, I NEVER even tried using the awesome melee and didn't even notice I had invincibility until I arrived on the elevator.
Even after that, I cared more about extraction and dodging rather than killing enemies.
if transference was made for the tenno to help jade then the operator literally felt giving birth :)
This. Broke. Me.
I didn't take the CW at the beginning of the quest seriously and I should have. I'd avoided watching any trailers and due to the mention of "motherhood" in the CW, I thought at first Jade was a mother figure to Sorren the same way Hunhow was a father figure. The moment the pregnancy was revealed, I realized what was happening, but no matter how desperately I tried, there was nothing I could do to save her.
I went through a scare very similar to this when my child was born and I wasn't sure sure their mother was going to survive. That story was only a hairsbreadth from ending the way this one did (minus the magic scythe and gatling gun). Playing this quest tore the scars off that old trauma and I sobbed my way through the ending. Without a doubt the most devastating experience I've ever had in a videogame.
Whoever wrote this quest knew that pain very well. Pain I wouldn't wish on anyone, not even the Stalker. What was it Ballas said the Tenno could do? "To see inside an ugly, broken thing, and take away its pain." I hope we see our path cross more with the Stalker's in the future, and that we can help him find healing as we did with Umbra.
the warframe baby probably gonna end up being a messiah frame or something
I choose Orion because of.... Men In Black 😅🤣
Now I can legally call Stalker Daddy
hey marco you know the best part? that baby is the start of a brand new species that if female will be able to birth more of that new species if they find a future male partner (or male and need future wife) once both reach maturity with either another baby born warframe or Tenno.. something like that anyways
Defectors, like Margulis, who refused to turn over her Tenno children when ordered, were executed be Jade light. For the crime of loving someone and bringing new life to the world, Jade was sentenced to ending life.
idk if he had discovered it yet, but if the stalker tries to assassinate you in any mission, but you are playing the Jade warframe, he instantly disappears and drops his loot without any fight
Hmm, I'm surprised for the whole NEW SUBSCRIBER sound, it wasn't as simple as turning it off in OBS... I dunno which thing you use for it, but I have something called Sound Alerts and it's like a Browser add on in OBS...
If Stalker can deal 3.000.000 slash damage with an unmodified Enlightened Hate, then imagine the modded version.☠️
pregnancy jumpscare
Giving birth minigame
XD marco i would join one of these fashion frame moments in your steams but alas to focused on liberation than fashion
5:23 I hope you mean it. I'ma gonna quote you so hard about that.
52:55 you very definitely deleted your messages if thats what they asked. but otherwise it doesn't delete what you get out of them. but I've still got inbox from since I started,
Youre choice of names may have connections to Egyptian mythology
Mostly based on the direction set by Narmer, the Sanctum Anatomica. Orion was associated with Osiris, god of the underworld and agricultural. While Sirius is associated w/ Isis, goddess of magic and birth. Do with that what you will
I too chose Sirius
Corpus...Cruel..but not Heartless..
Funny you mention Sacrifice;
*SPOILER*
Stalker is just like Umbra, originally human injected with infestation and turned into Warframe, but without Tenno he lost his mind.
I am having trouble deciding whether this or CoH was the funnier quest
NEW SUBSCRIBEeEeEeEeER!!!!
I guess this quest hit other people very differently than me. I didn’t feel this was a well-made quest. It felt rushed. The Sacrifice was definitely better spaced out and felt better to play overall. Idk, maybe it’s cuz I’m not a parent? I comprehend what the quest was trying to do by making us sympathetic to the Stalker, but the Tenno was completely unnecessary for the quest. And they could’ve expanded on the backstory of Sorren and Jade. Like, I wish this quest resonated with me more, I really do.
Edit: This story just feels rushed and incomplete. Like a new intern’s project, it has potential, just needs some fleshing out and more time in the oven. Like, the whole warning at the beginning had me thinking they’d explore the pain and suffering of stillbirth. I was wrong.
So at the end of the quest Stalker becomes a Dad and raises his Warframe baby. It would be interesting if the next male frame was Star themed and the stalkers son.
isn't Hunhow also a single dad?
Kind-of, but also a single mom, given how they refer to themselves I don't thing Sentients have clearly defined gender roles.
But that's going off into the weeds, as far as it matters they come across as a Dad more or less yeah
Going into the void makes sentiments unable to have any more children
Kind of but he didn't exactly broke up with Phragasa, they were a whole family when they were still in Tau
Sentients cant reproduce but Hunhow was the first and therefore 'parent' of Natah and Erra. They make other sentients.
21:38
"Wait! Wait! No, no, that's not...
Wait! Is this...? Wait! Is this...? Is this everything-Wait! Is this everything-Wait!"
Dude, were you having a stroke?
Yes
@@MarcoMeatball
Understandable
When you decided to say 'Nah bro i am fine' infront of your depressed husband who hates everything before he become a single father.
I hope they don't make your name choice have consequences in future updates. I chose Orion cause I think it is a cool name, but why was it red?
Probably red because Sorren would've wanted it, while Sirius is Jade's choice I believe, the choice is simply to pay homage to Jade, or just pick what Stalker wants to name his kid.
23:16 Over Shadowbringers and/or Endwalker? Or Heavensward?
I need the new ost in my ship please
It was a great quest. Short but good.
My one complaint is. Why would the corpus suddenly act moral when they had stalker dead to rights. It makes no sense. And it would have been more climactic if the tenno came on to help and we got a boss fight.
She heard the baby, she's ambitious but not a monster. It's very much like the scene from Children Of Men.
@@lewiskazzamo230 it doesn't make sense. She was ordering g stalkers capture and taking whatever he was protecting no matter what because she wanted a promotion. And her superiors where watching. It's not logical for her too suddenly show morals or for her superiors to not just shoot her than and their for her failures and take for themselves.
The enemies are evil, not monsters
Sorry Stalker, gotta wait till next year for your Father's day gift
22:44 Why does it feel like you play awkwardly because you have a mouse DPI that's too high for your own playstyle here.
I play awkwardly because I haven’t played in a while
this quest might just be the saddest shit i’ve seen in my life
please react to warframe 1999 gameplay
😭
I love how every time we learn something about the Orokin, it's always about how much of a shitbag they are.