New Age Cult Mixed with Armageddon? | Elizabeth Clare Prophet Case Analysis
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- This video answers the question: Can I analyze the case of Elizabeth Clare Prophet?
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Well said.
"She believed that world leaders were corrupt, manipulative, and unable to solve problems." For once, a cult leader has a good core belief system.
That’s true, but that’s pointless
How could she not get that one right.. There's no guessing involved on that call lol...
@@tinkercooper1332 haha perhaps, but things she said in the past, has very much come true and to light now.
and you think that's 'insightful' - any DOPE knows that!
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Shocked you covered this. My father was a member of her church Camelot in Los Angeles area, and I spent alot of time there, and knew her. My father was a camera man for her church sessions/decree sessions. I also spent time on the Montana property. I am now 46, and look back at how toxic this all was, it’s shocking. I just remember always being left in youth groups while he worked, I was always very stressed by the environment, could only eat and listen to and do what members provided to the children. It felt to me that members were always so preoccupied with Elizabeth and each other that us kids were an afterthought. Let’s just say as a mom of 2 now, as a child I learned what NOT to do in my parenting. I let both of my kiddos find their own beliefs and passions in a non religious household for the most part. Thank you for posting this!
I hope the Muslim women can overrun her.
Religious belief from secular origins are usually stronger, though most true believers have responsibility to spread
The mother of a friend of mine lived with her in Montana for years.
"Let’s just say as a mom of 2 now, as a child I learned what NOT to do in my parenting. I let both of my kiddos find their own beliefs and passions in a non religious household for the most part." --- So ultimately it was purposeful, in that you derived great value from it for the benefit of your children.
@@elizabethmarshall3558 - That's an odd take on what she said. Did it not occur to you she found a wholesome way to parents IN SPITE of her mistreatment as a child ? That is almost invariably the case with cult survivors who come out of it in reasonably decent shape .
I know Elizabeth Clair Prophet and this beloved church Universal and Triumphant. I have been a member for 47 years . It is all loving and as I am a witness because of this church my life was saved I love her and everthing she stands for because what she stands for is truth
"Mark told her she was his twin flame, which is a pick-up line for the new age cult". Dr Grande, you are the best.
He is so right.
i adored that line by you Dr. Grande. Your sense of dry humor is the best!!!
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Twin flame is not new age but your religion is way more new age bullshit
That was not very respectful. In Hindu religion, our soul is split in two parts, male and female, and thus we all are seeking our other part. Even gender is no longer sacred, due to their programming. Gender is all the male and female parts you experience from life to life, trying all combinations.
It's called 'nominative determinism' when peoples careers match their names. I learned it from QI on the BBC.
Thanks Dani, I'm off to look it up now...👍
Growing up I had a ear doctor named Dr. Wax
@@adamdarknell366 I know of a Dr. Ricketts 😅
I had a prof named Dr Slaughter, she was a polisci prof and a lobbyist
I wonder how many “Smiths” are actually do smithing of some type
That's it, I'm legally changing my last name to "Assistant Marketing Director".
What about Senior Marketing Director? Wouldn’t that be better?
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Her book Violet Flame, and others have been very helpful to me on my spiritual path. Just because ideas are spiritual or abstract doesnt mean they are meaningless. Religion is personal and to use a psych word, highly subjective.
I don’t blame these negative people . They are ignorant
This is just proof religion is bs
Violent Flame might contain a few good ideas...but New Age ideas, by and large, are bullshit. Spirituality is bullshit.
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Thank you for this, personally I have found a lot of help in the teachings of teachers like Elizabeth however there always seemed to be a disconnect when it came to healing my pain. It was really only through therapy and holding myself accountable that healing occurred. That being said I still enjoy listening to ascended Masters if you will because at my core is an inner child who needs a soft maternal voice saying everything will be okay and you are loved. Many people who are broken find themselves in some type of religious fanaticism I always urge people to move with caution and question, always question everything.
I love and respect her for her teachings…if she were so bad why would she take the time to decree for the healing of humanity and our planet. Anyone that gives the time and energy of this type of work is invested in helping humanity🙏💜🙏💜
Well said 🙏
Please consider some speculation on Edgar Cayce. Thx Dr. Grande.
I've been informed by his favorite Apple 🍎 Polisher that the Teacher's thoughts about Edgar Cayce are reserved for his Inner Circle, i.e. those among us who've coughed up the requisite cash.
I can say that she and her teachings have helped me in bettering myself as a person. I have cured phsycological aspects of my live because of her. Her teachings are not bad or harmful, quite the contrary. I invite you to practice some introspection to your heart and see what you find.
So creating a apocalyptic cult is "not harmful" to you?
@@threestars2164 I mean, look at the world right now. Isn't it quite catastrophic and apocalyptic? Just because we are not experiencing any direct harm right now it doesn't mean it is not happening.
he needs to practice the decrees he criticizes or will end up being a pawn of the forces of darkness in their opposition to the Light and the teachings that were given fortunately - before this era when there is a secret technology that is being used to introduce false concepts into new age. He is pretending to be objective and is carrying out an analysis but in reality he does not have the discernment and has only studied the matter superficially. I have since 1980 and have a BA [hons] in Religious Studies, and an MA as well as did research for a PhD. I had a book published in 2009 and one with the title' From the Words of Angels' in 2012. I had 325 videos published then about 40 with ChannelAscension, and Matt Muckleroy is uploading my work 'Beyond the Veil of the Lost Holy Grail' on his channel.
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I have a headache from rolling my eyes on this one. Thankfully laughing helps with pain.
I am extremely grateful to Elizabeth Clare Prophet for speaking and writing some enormously powerful and clear divine loving intelligence messages for human understanding. Saddened to see some of these mean comments but Im reminded that they werent very nice to Jesus either in the beginning. Maybe now humans are more ripened for light body discussions and show her more respect some day 🌷🙏 but I certainly will publically comment to say thank you to her for her efforts to serve the Light as she understood it 🙏 a very brave woman I think 🤔💕
I was in ECP's cult from 1978 to 1999. She was a hypocrite who publicly shamed members for doing only a smidgen of what she herself did. When she got Alzheiner's and could no longer control the narrative, the truth of her cruelty, narcissism and hypocrisy came to light by members who suffered under her control. She had epilepsy, which caused religiosity, hallucinations and dissociation. If you really study her work, it is a mishmash of other religios beliefs. Decrees can put people into a trance-like state and make them vulnerable to suggestion, such as her lectures and dictations. The organization is a ghost of what it used to be.
@@FootSoldier4Christ I was in this cult as a child for a number of years. My Dad, Richard Kalar, was the lawyer and realtor for CUT (also ECP's "handler" which has been rumored to be code for sexually pleasing her) and was one of the first people to establish a presence at the property they purchased in Montana - even left my Mom with two kids for over a year to pursue establishment of this new location. I have zero good memories from my time as a child in CUT and my brother would share the same sentiment. This was not a loving and accepting organization. This was FOR PROFIT. Every family in this cult gave all of their possessions to ECP. We, as children, of the staff had nothing but her children flew on private planes to go to Disney World, etc. For everyone that talks about her bringing positive feminine energy, she wasn't and it was not refreshing. She had way more masculine energy than feminine and I never felt love when in her presence. She tore families apart and in NO way supported love as the underlying concept in her community, controlled what we ate, what we believed, what we watched, when couples could be intimate, when they could have a child, what they could name their children, how much time we spend together as a family which was none, the list goes on. Further, the experience of being in the bomb shelters as a kid thinking that the world was going to end and with it, all of your friends and family who was not in the bomb shelter would die, messed with my head a lot and I still have trouble being "underground". I think it would be a very interesting undertaking for someone to do a complete documentary on this particular cult. While I do think some of the belief systems regarding spirituality were interesting and have stuck with me, the way she went about controlling the people who were members was abhorrent.
@@angelakalar3004 I saw first hand how CUT troubled the children, as I worked at the school. Many of the children had some sad behavior problems. My own daughter was negatively affected by the cult, and to this day, she does not believe in God. During the shelter cycle, ECP demanded that all kids 12 and over had to become Keepers of the Flame or would not be allowed on the property. What child at 12 would be ready to make that kind of commitment? While there were nice teachers, the culture was toxic. Staff lived in subpar conditions, while ECP lived in a Malibu beach house. I had met your dad. He was really under ECP's thumb. What you say about her attitude towards families is true. Everything was for the cult. I was in a staff meeting between ECP and the parents. She raked one staffer parent over the coals because he dared to spend Friday evenings with his family. She said, "I never told you to have these children" because it took time away from them working 24/7 for the cult. All the kids, even non-staffer's teenage kids were expected to help pack for the move from California to Montana. CUT is no longer in the news, and the website that exposed them was taken down, so people aren't warned about it any longer. I think most newcomers are from other countries, such as Russia, New Guinea, and Mexico. They need to be warned.
@@angelakalar3004 I was part of CUT at Camelot, but fortunately we got out before the move to Montana. I was 11-12 when we were part of it. I don't have the best memories from it. I hope you are well these days. It sounds like you went through a lot in those bomb shelters. It's a shame that ECP had such a strong influence over our parents.
"After reading her books, a person WISHES to ascend to a place where her books do not exist". omggg you really are the best.
Years ago, my ex-fiance and his family were caught up in this cult, and in an effort to help him, I talked to one of Elizabeth Clare Prophet's sons. He was outspoken about the fact that his mother was a fraud who would pretend to have her body inhabited by Jesus and others, as well as perform magic tricks with his help. She documented everything so that she could go back and double check, rather than contradict herself.
He said he was ashamed he ever helped her concoct these schemes, but that he was a teenager at the time and had to cut off all contact with his family when he told them he thought what they were doing is wrong. I was able to help my ex-fiance, but not the rest of his family unfortunately. It took me years to do it, but was worth getting him out of there.
Wow what a story. Thx for sharing
@@Mama_Bear524 Thanks- it was tricky there for awhile.
Wow! ♡♡
Lol I'm there now
That’s not even accurate. My brother didn’t denounce her till he was in his 30s after being her lieutenant. He did not concoct any schemes. He thinks anything paranormal is a scheme
“Mark told Elizabeth that she was his twin flame, which is a new age cult version of a pick up line.”🤣🤣🤣 This one is just too funny…
On another note, I do believe that Mark’s last name “Prophet” may have influenced his behavior.
In the same way, it’s quite amazing to me that Dr. Todd Grande’s last name is Grande. What a fitting last name, as Dr. Grande is nothing else but greatness.
Thank you for the analysis and the laughter!😂 Much appreciated.❤️
Rejane - How needy would you have to be to think that this sort of group had any real worth? "Give me your money and leave your mind at the door!" Dr. Grande shreds this sort of cult! Good work!
@@bthomson ~We meet again. I was having very very similar thoughts. Major needy stage 5 clinger right there. I just, I, I don't understand. My brain has failure to launch when it comes to cults.
Pick up lines for a whole new level of gullible
I know a pulmonologist, who's last name is Smoker 🚬 😅
@@bthomson Hi friend. 👋😉💙💙I think some people in the new age spiritual groups fall for this not realizing its a cult. Very sad so many frauds out there 😢
I was thinking of a cult leader whose last name is “Scammer.” 💟🧐🤔
Is anyone's family still into this? My dad never left the Summit Lighthouse. He has a normal job, but twice a day, every day when I was little, I heard him reciting decrees. He does it to this day. I also heard that after Elizabeth Prophet's death there was a major split in the church. With one side becoming more mellow and organic, and the other going full aliens and cult compounds.
My family still follows her teachings.
I find those beliefs harmless and see no problem in the way they practice. They eat healthy, try to make no bad karma and build good karma, or reach Darhma, they do pray problems away too much for my style, but hey whatever works for ya.
I do believe we are spiritual beings living a physical experience, so it would scientifically made sense that some people understand energy better than others. I'm just to down to earth on this life, might not be ready for my wings yet.
Oh, and by the way, my father met with her on several occasions,, and he considered her a good friend. He's told me of important things she did to help him when in time of need. He never paid money per say to them, he purchased books and stuff.
Again, I'm not judgmental about any religion or cult or spiritual belief...
I'm still in over 40 years
One of my parents follows their teachings.. it is horrible. It is honestly a white supremacist cult which preys on non white people to pray in hopes they get born white next life. They have a “great white brotherhood” . They also teach that the darker you are the more you have sinned. They do not believe that our souls need our physical forms and think that eating food and sleeping are for mere mortals and ascended masters don’t need these things so if you are eventually thinking you could become an ascended master after years of doing what they say then you will be encouraged not to eat food or get enough sleep.
Dude you're hilarious. 99.9% of your videos are real and insightful, and then you'll throw out a zinger, not draw attention to it at all, and keep moving forward. Perfect.
This is the first video you’ve done where I laughed out loud multiple times, especially the dry overview on reading her books and wishing to ascend somewhere she wasn’t.
Please take out time and listen to her teachings before condemning and mocking her. She was and still is a light in this dark dark world. I love and thank her for her service to humanity.
My favorite of her lectures was called "The path of the Divine Mother God: God as Mother in You". This must have been so refreshing to hear for those who sought spiritual balance outside the heavy male and masculine sided divinity of Christianity. It's a real shame that the egoic cult stained bathwater of her mysticism is taking the precious baby along for the ride.
Agree and that big war she was worried about and prepared for, it's coming soon.
Thanks for not being part of the herd of derision… this is a human being we are talking about
Wow....
'Mother' god is a common newage or cult notion and its all nonsense. God is masuline.
i really enjoy your material on cults.
Does prophet rhyme with profit?! Nuclear shelters are expensive. Firefighters put out fires. Tubes of light, too...
The Summit Lighthouse is an organization and attached to it is Church Universal and Triumphant or vice versa. They are organizations without profit. People funded their own nuclear shelters if they wanted to. The Tube of Light is not an electric one...it is a spiritual concept. It can be invoked from the I AM Presence, but it is our protection even if we don't know it. In the New Testament when Moses sees a bush on fire, it's a mistranslation as the I AM Presence is the Inner Teacher also mentioned as the Tree of Life in Genesis.
I don’t know why I thought your “assistant marketing director “ joke was so funny.
I loved that one too! LOL
I grew up in the same valley in Montana that these people inhabited. I saw them around and occasionally played with their children. I've been in one of the numerous bomb shelters. I've seen the crates of .50 cal ammunition. I can confirm that these people certainly still exist and still have ample resources.
I was a volunteer fire fighter in the same valley at one point. We responded to a house fire, when we arrived, the crates of .50 cal, 7.62 and 5.56 had begun exploding. Bullets, casings and other shrapnel were going in every direction. I still have a 50 cal slug that we pulled out of a tree that was 50 or so feet from the house. In the basement, after the fire was burned out, we found the remains of multiple machine guns and other weapons that had burned up. Only the metal parts remained. The wood/plastic stocks and components had all been incinerated.
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Congratulations!💐
Hello Dr. Grande❣️ Thank you for the new video! I'm still at work but I've always got time for your videos!
Yes, that was really his last name. That’s my father. I traveled up to Quebec to the Prophet farm and interviewed many of my father’s cousins. This was after he passed I have proof that this was really their name by the street sign at the family farm as well as gravestones.
Hi Tatiana, I doubt you remember me, because I was only at Camelot for about a year or so when I was 12. We were friendly with each other, but not close. I hope you are well these days. it has been a long time! I think we are about the same age (I am 54 now). Take care!
@@BonnieLuitze Hi Bonnie! Wow! Were you close friends with Alexa? I only knew one Bonnie and it was probably you! The school photo that I would periodically look at over the years has helped me remember some classmates who weren’t there very long. Our pic is awesome, we are both laughing hysterically! It is wonderful to hear from you. Also I had skipped a couple grades so I’m about 3 years younger. I remember having really fun times with you!
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@@werstillnotfreedamit8701 We are now. ☺️
I had subscribed to Dr. Grande when he started with videos on psychology that interested me. I was shocked to find this.
Thank You So Much Dr. as Always!! Hope Your Day Was Great, and You have a Tranquil Evening!!🌵🪴🦋🪴🌵
Classic: "I wonder how his last name of prophet inspired his calling, and can't help but wonder how his life would have turned out if his last name was Farmer or Trucker or Market Analyst..." >>>I know I don't have your quote exactly right, but Todd.... You're killing it! 😅 Suggestion---> After some of these dry humor gems, you might say, "I'll Be here all week. Try the veal. And don't forget to tip your waitress."
"Twin flame- new age version of a pick up line." So true 😂
I used to do a lot of remixes and mashups of songs...Prophet's decrees actually ended up in a few. I wonder if she was ever involved in auctioneering? Her decrees have the exact same cadence.
Your misinformation and accusations will be determined by the karmic board (law of the universe). It is not your fault for having lower consciousness, it will be your journey. Bestowing you love and blessings that your future content would serve the world to become a more loving place.
Oh brother... ! Take it to a corner.
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You're dry humour is spot on!!
When the edges of science are far beyond understandings of citizens fear can be exploited. This is when religions, cults, and psychics step in to fill the void. I think we must beware of people promising for us what we can’t or won’t do or understand for ourselves. Personal spirituality and peace is, personal, not given, inherited, or bought.
Thank you for your stories and insight, and humor!
Outstanding humor😊
Seems they all have the same objective.
What's sad is there are so many people looking for crazy-ass leadership, and to lead them like weak sheep.
Again, another reason, I enjoy my own company.
Thank you.
Peace 💕🇺🇲
What you've written is true, apparently wired into our species and just terribly sad.
Dr. Grande, thank you for your insights, knowledge and wisdom of which I have certainly learned a great deal from. I would be very interested in perhaps your analysis of the late legendary vocalist Chris Cornell who passed away in 2017.
Chris Cornell 😔 Such a voice! 🎶 💜!
@@shelleydunkle7867 Oh that's a awesome nominee also. I didn't think about him. Depression is serious stuff. For those two guys to check out like that despite the great Karma they had says it all
@@shelleydunkle7867 ISTR that he did one on Mr. Bennington.
I grew up in San Francisco and my mother attended her various retreats, taking me along. She wore huge rings of orecious gems on her fingers and was worshipped like a god. Monday you wore white, Tuesday violet, Wednesday yellow, Thursday light blue, from head to toe, but NEVER green, red,orange or black which had evil vibrations. The chanting was fun and energizing and the vegetarian food could be great. Beyond that I have little to say. My mom visited the Montana Ranch but did not have enough money to be usefully absorbed into the group. Thanka for doing this one Dr. Grande, The whole thing was a series of bizarre experiences
Green was very good. Tuesday was blue. Thy ears at was purple - and gold.
Wednesday was green. Friday, white. Saturday, violet. Sunday, yellow
@Diantaylor, it would be interesting to know how old you were then...
UM, did New Jersey come out of this analysis unscathed? If I didn't know better, I'd say Dr. G's warming up to it. Love this comment if that's the way of it, Dr. G. 🤣
Elizabeth was supposed to be a prophet but she did not foresee the rocket the Russians were going to launch against the US when they thought we were launching a rocket at them when the US military were sending test rockets at the strait of Gibraltar. Due to miscommunication and antiquated equipment, the Russians did not realize the US were launching test rockets and not actual rockets. They were only minutes away from starting a war. This was in the mid 90s.
When I first heard about this, it made me think about the Cuban missile crisis. And how close we were to be in war with Russia.
That ol’ Chris Columbus is always talking to modern-day people. He’s such a chatterbox.
It's so interesting how one can think they're more spiritual when they speak in half truths, because it leaves room for others to figure it out like this person is doing you a favor. That contributes to delusions, and then the unsuspecting person looks up to the person adding to his/her cult following...thinking everyone else who is articulate wants to control you, when really they are just coming from a place of ignorance. I'm so glad you covered this and some the names you mentioned are folks I used to follow. It really was self-destructing. Thanks Dr. Grande!
I get that you generally disagree with our beliefs, personally I'm a part of a splinter group that broke off from the main Church as the rest of the church started to wither away into obscurity after she and her husband died unfortunately, May St Germain rest their souls. But some of us do take the beliefs very seriously and I have to say the Violet flame probably saved my life. The group wasn't perfect and neither of them were perfect but whether or not you believe whether it's true or not. I wouldn't label them as a cult they just did the best they could as regular people and that's all anyone could ever ask. But I respect your opinion and interpretation of the summit lighthouse.
Dear VenomVandal, I am so happy to meet you. I've been trying for years to contact the group so I can talk to someone about it; however, I have not been very successful. Can you please help me?
peace and love,
yishmirai
I'm so early im speculating something is wrong with the universe...
Hello Dr. Grande, thank you for the amazing vedios. I do find your humor great, funny but to the point of the story. Love your analysis of each case, very precise.. Best Regards. ❤👍
Interesting profile Dr G. What I'd like to understand: what is it that draws people to this type of "church" and how is it they believed what she proclaimed?
Another book that was published by Summit University was called The Human Aura, first published in 1972, with additional reprintings in 1977 and 1986. I have a copy, and no, I wasn't part of this group😊 I always wondered about this lady and wanted to know more details about her organization, amazing that you just happened to cover her today. Love the classic Dr G shade, especially the zinger about twin flame being a pickup line, I always suspected that🙂
Also twin souls, soul mate and other pickup lines!
Hi there dr Grande how are you? .. Im very interesed, by why n wht causes all of this ppl to follow into this cults, as wht also trully causes all of them to be full on into this. So may I ask for a small vdd about this plz?if so? Tysm. N Tysvm for all of the fantastic work tht Ur channel provides us. ☮️🍀👊😉 TC n be safe dr Todd Grande ♥️🇵🇹
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I find it interesting you know so much about her content and have her books, but yet afraid to explore further spiritual truth and require a “Dr” to tell you what to believe in.
I have her books and pearls of wisdom , and the lost teachings of Jesus: my experiences with her in Mexico and Montana ARE fundamentally important in my life. Thank you Elizabeth … nobody is perfect but your light was sent to this planet for huge reasons that only God knows … and God is all divine intelligence beyond our understanding . You are always with me . 1980-to date.
At least she seemed to be good natured .. not really out to harm anyone.. i heart kind of goes out to her... like I kind of feel sad for her.. but I guess she was happy.
There is ample material for you to evaluate in today's world. But Dr. Grande you are so fast making videos about the most current people in the news as well as current events as well as older stories.
Long time no watch but I made just a pilgrimage for our charismatic cult leader Dr Grande❣😏
I can't wait to hear your analysis on the Tristan Bailey and Lacey Fletcher cases beyond heartbreaking
Dr. Grande did do a video on this @ 10 months ago. Check it out.
I've been reading and listening shit Elizabeth Claire prophet to understand my mom who also came from Christian Science, new age, and some psychology and had a lot of overlap. What you describe as a lot of words that make little sense is so true. It's the hypnotic tonality that's important, along with a huge amount of buzz words that suggest heightened reality without saying anything definite. And being in a crowd where everyone is hypnotized in the same way does give a sense of connection for lonely people.
Sometimes in the Missoula, MT craigslist CUT properties appear in the real estate listings complete with their bunkers.
Lol I'm buying land in mt I may buy her land
I knew a guy whose last name was Crooks, guess what? Yep, that's right.
Great video as always. Since we're on the topic of cult leaders that (incorrectly) predicted the armageddon, you should do a video on Charles Taze Russel, the "founder" of the Jehovah's Witnesses. He was a real con artist
She is a true spiritual leader.
Elizabeth was also seen with her group praising St Germain in an original episode of “In Search of” with Leonard Nimoy.
Always interesting ❤️ U Dr G have a good week!
My aunt and her husband were part of this group for a while and eventually joined the Montana bunker population. Every few years was another doomsday coming until finally for one of those events the high school kids didn't show up to the bunkers.. My aunt is better now after that at least but I think her husband walked off into the sunset or something. As far as I can remember my cousins have never said a single thing about those years. Not about music movies nothing. Elizabeth also occasionally identified as Arthur's half sister Morgana.
Do you know if this group is still active? Dr G didn't say anything about that beyond Elizabeths' death
@@laurastrobel718 I don't actually. We as a family stopped paying attention once they were out of it. I do remember hearing about Elizabeth's death when it happened though. We always called it the Guru Ma Cult, And we called the leaders Morgana and Merlin. Doctor Grande did mention the Merlin part. We called them these things for our personal coping mechanisms.
@@tinafoster8665 That was in the Eureka area of northern California. Considered part of the Pacific Northwest West it used to rain a lot more there than it does now usually about 8 or 9 months of the year. On top of that my Hometown of Eureka has the 2nd highest murder rate per capita just behind Oakland for the entire state. When you're from there you develop a dark sense of humor and some mocking sarcasm.
@@demonicusa.k.a.theblindguy3929 Thanks for your reply. As I mentioned in my comment to this video, I have a book published by Summit University called the Human Author, the authors name are some East Indian sounding, entities that Prophet claimed to channel I think. There's photos of gatherings etc. The people in the photos look normal and happy, things about this organization looked good on paper. I wondered if it was a bonfire cult. Some info that Dr G provided here answered my questions. Glad your family got out unscathed, doesn't always work out that way sadly😕
@@laurastrobel718. Yes, the group is still active, but I think it’s on a smaller scale. They think of Elizabeth Claire Prophet as an ascended master (mistress?).
I saw the title of the video and said to myself this is going to be awesome
I lived in Livingston, MT at that time. It was interesting to observe how the locals dealt with all the influx of followers.
I'm near there now. Can you tell me more? I'm reading her books
@@chrisgriffin6489 If you can get ahold of a copy, read "Prophet's Daughter" by Elizabeth Prophet's daughter, Erin Prophet. It will give you the background you need, whatever you decide about her teachings. (Maybe Livingston Public Library has a copy.)
I was in Livingston in 1988… 3 months .. summer time. The most beautiful place I’ve ever lived in USA. I was only 23… following the path of spiritual search. I now can understand how difficult it was for the locals to deal with all of us . Yet, Livingston got a lot of sales from outsiders. 😊
Most visitors of CUT were very polite, uplifted by their teachings, stayed at their homes, ranch, apts, tents for many hours at a time. No visits to the local pubs or party goers… yet… definitively total disconnection to the local community
so waz i in 88 tryd Bozeman Highschool but its just like any hi school TYPICAL and FREAKN ROBOTIC LIKE DAT MOVIE WITH TOBY MCGUIRE PREDICTABLE and C NOW Y THSMAT DAM CHiP WRKs FEAKNUTSICK we aint HUmanimaLz SOLz ChiLdrn O aGod n Godes CUZ DEN WE R COMITing INSEST 🤮vOmit ITS ALL SCATERd NO SENSE OF A BIO TECHEMICAL REALITY CREATing MYTH STORYOLOGY JOURNEYS FENÓMENA LACKing BOUNDERY
Dr. Grande - I’d love to hear your thoughts on Rudy Giuliani. He has fallen so low after the acclaim he received due to his response to 9/11 - what could have happened to him? Or was it always smoke and mirrors obfuscating who he truly was? Thanks!
He did screw up a little bit. But not worse than all these other piece of shit in the government.
Isn't it simply that you disagree with him politically?
@@eadweard. WHAT'S UP EB, WHAT DO YOU THINK OF AMBER HEARD HAVING TO START AN ONLY FANS ACCOUNT 🤣
@@eadweard.Seriously? Are you oblivious to how weird he has become?
@@logiclight You'd need to be more specific really.
I lived in her first house in Virginia. Lighthouse. That house was Evil! To this day terrifying! I had horrible experience for 40yrs. God bless you and everyone 🙏 Conjured demons and horrible things happened.
There is an excellent book providing details and history of how this cult branched out from the "I AM" movement and manipulated followers. It is written by former members Kenneth and Talita Paolini. The title is "400 Years Of Imaginary Friends".
Thanks I'm reading her books now
@@chrisgriffin6489 I hope you don't mean Prophet's books. They are nutty. Read "400 Years of Imaginary Friends" by Kenneth and Talita Paolini. If you can't find it, message me. I have a PDF of the book I can e-mail to you.
@@alicecolleenflynn lol I'm reading her fallen angels and I got 4 more books by her. Not impressed
@@chrisgriffin6489 Yes, I couldn't stand more than one where she complained about a woman shopping in JC Penney and used it as a spiritual lesson. Terrible ideas, terrible writer as well. LOL
@@alicecolleenflynn that sounds logical to me. Was she referring to the woman buying things to sexualize herself more?
Wow! My dad was a part of her "cult", Church for Universal and Triumphant, wanted my family to move out to their campus in California called Camelot. Apparently she believed she was reincarnation of Guinevere and they'd do musical Camelot where she played the queen! My parents marriage ended a year after my dad flew my 9 year old (older) brother to California without my mom's permission. Fortunately my dad never moved there, but never rejected his beliefs. Later we did hear about them moving to Montana and stockpiled weapons. Crazy! My brother used to do the St Germaine and archangel Michael chants. And we had spooky posters (in my bedroom with my brother) with them with eyes that would seem to follow you.
Dr. Grande, mostly I find your analysis not useful since rational people will agree, while believers will say they have "special knowledge" that allows its meaning to be understood. I'd say my dad's vulnerability was growing up as a single child on a farm, and he lost a younger sister after 13 days, and he remembers being intensely jealous before she died, and as a child believed he was responsible for her "soul" leaving back to heaven. Later he hated the Lutheran church's pastor saying we're born sinners, and felt he was innocent. So from age 3 to age 10 he carried his imaginary guilt by making up imaginary souls that were responsible not him. So as a result, "negative" emotions were painful in him, and he found the new age church preach positivity and spiritual flames of protection. The church taught him he could handle marriage conflicts by walking away from my mom's negative thoughts, literally!
I don't think I had his gullibility because I grew up with an older brother and younger sister, and understood conflict better, both as bully and bullied, and how to have boundaries, and not need other people to be wrong for me to feel right.
My brother was adopted, and mother an alcoholic, and he needed attention more than me, and liked the church treated him like an "adult". For me being adult meant to get the hell away from crazy people, or at least keep them at arm's length! I like "understanding" people, even if I can't really understand. but there must be SOME explanation why some people are credulous!
@@aresmars2003 Your comment is very interesting. It gave me some things to think about regarding why some New Age teachings might draw some in. Elizabeth sounds completely crazy, to me.
@@lynnehuff9659 People make you think, while from a distance all seems crazy. My sister married an evangelical who was following the plandemic/qanon stuff onilne, and trump's big lie, and it makes me crazy. And a friend of my brother in law actually "kidnapped" my sister April 2021 when I offered to drive her to get her covid vaccine, but eventually she did get it. They believed it was designed by bill gates to implant nanotech and kill everyone within 3-years apparently.
Maybe there is something "psychic" in the world that makes people more crazy at certain times, or maybe its always there, just dormant in good times?
But my dad shows it was always with us. He also loved Coast to Coast overnight radio, Art Bell interviewing other crazy people with no critical questions. He'd tape record them and ask me to listen to some, and they just annoyed me. Now, they're all on youtube.
@@lynnehuff9659 I've also thought about those hypnotists who'd make people cluck around like chicken at a Senior party, and cults must do something like that, suspended disbelief, and you ask why they followed the instructions ,and they'll say it felt like a game, and they felt the directive came from INSIDE, rather than outside, so just like our unconscious directs us, hypnotist somehow gains access to that level of awareness.
Christ, this comment is SO SPOT ON. It's like modern day Repulicanism, another cult that has torn families apart. Your comment flew me back 4 decades:) My mom could not afford to move, nor did she really want to. She used my boss, as a way to secure HER job, weirdly-(he was the one who got her involved with CP-this, whilst married to Dad, but flirting with my boss:() She was more like someone who would belong to a Catholic saints' cult. The archangels ruled her world as well as the pantheon of saints.. CP was just a useful diversion for a narcissistic (probably/maybe) woman. I left about a yr later for a bookkeeping job, and Clare P, was no more:) She could no longer influence my work life, or home life. Whew. Dangerous people.
So glad you covered this case. Always nice to hear your analysis on these new age people. So ridiculous when you break it down.Thanks Dr G😊💚❤
Please, let me know if you got the transfer? 😢😘👍❤💙✉🎋🎋🎋
Also, my brother has been talking about songs, he wants at his funeral. I decided if I was cremated, (highly unlikely ) , I want the song "Come on baby, light, my fire"😂😜❤💙
Adam and eve are twin flames so what does that live Christianity????
I was an atheist until I had a mystical union 25 years ago. I believe this union was an actual evolutionary event in my cerebral cortex. Fortunately I am a reader and looked to the wisdom traditions for grounded guidance instead of the New Age Fakery. These awakenings can actually upset brain chemistry and that could lead the experiencer to accept the bizarre if not real careful. Stanislov Grof has a good book that helped me to regain an equilibrium called The Stormy Search For Self.
@@harryhanz1690 lol That' is something I would have said before my encounter with the Almighty.
@@harryhanz1690 🤣
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What's more of an oxymoron: christian science or new age teacher?
Funny how the bible accurately spoke of the earth turning on it's axis before we had any idea that was a thing 😁
The Christian Science religion has led to the premature deaths of a lot of people, including the mother of Metallica singer James Hetfield, who was raised in it. He once said, "If a deer knew how to fix a broken leg, it would."
I would love to listen to you break down the investigation into the death of Lauren Agee. I know the case is a popular one amongst the true crime CZcams community but nobody has your secret ingredient. In any case I’m looking forward to any upcoming videos you’ve got for us.keep up the great work.
God bless the Light in everyone! To all want to find TRUTH ❤
Dear doctor these are your opinions. I respect both Elizabeth and Mark and I am grateful for their teaching. They are Ascended now and help. Dr Mahshid Faghihi Shirazi from Australia.💜
I absolutely love the Doc’s videos. You watch w/a sense of anticipation because his deadpan lines come outta nowhere since he gives no warning or signs that he’s about to drop the mic. Smooth. 😂
“She would hear the ocean sound in her inner ear” had me dying.
People can hear in their outer ears also 😳
The old water skiing revelation and watching Red Dawn for inspiration. yup, should’ve stayed in California. Perfect.
Well Dr Grande, I don't follow that spiritual practice. In fact, I don't follow any one in particular.
But I really try not be judgmental about religions, and spiritual beliefs. May them be Western or Oriental, or sincretist, or others .. as long as their not devil worshipers it's all fine with me.
Plus, I like the fact that for the past 50 years or so, we've seen the rise of all these other beliefs that debunk at least a little the traditional churches' excessive power.
I think you could try and make the ridicule out of any religion if you wanted to... This is like a gossip video.
There are a lot of New Age beliefs in there, very interesting group.
With a name like Prophet, it would be easier to entertain such a lifestyle.
The Twin Flames concept is a very New Age way of bonding with new mates.
Thank you for the video.
Can you research "People of Praise" and their possibility of being a religious cult within Christianity? Thank you.
Thank you for requesting this analysis Abby. Would love to hear Dr. Grande’s take on this subject.
I’m came for the humour and I wasn’t disappointed - right before “My final thoughts”. It was worth the wait. 😁 😎
No matter how much I listen to what this woman taught, I don't find anything wrong with what she taught, I think she was way ahead of her time.
No. She made up stuff for her own benefit. She literally made stuff up. Brain washing
You had me laughing with this video! "Mark told Elizabeth that she was his 'twin flame', which is a new age cult version of a pick-up line." ;D ;D
"....and, convincing church members to hand over their money." 😅
The is the most I've rolled my eyes during a Dr. Grande video.
7:30 and Marcel Marceau in her final years.
I remember these people in Livingston mt
I bought some Isuzu diesel pickups from them
I bring you peace and love - C. Montgomery Burns
That you had to listen to Her speak for any length of time to prepare this piece, You have my condolences. That damned culty drone of hers.
dr grande, your videos are such an amazing little escape from what are otherwise incredibly stressful and hectic days for me, and i’m incredibly grateful to have found your channel.
i see you’ve been making several videos about spiritual movements/cults as of late, so i just wanted to suggest a video about anything related to the hare krishna cult.
other than that, i’m _so_ interested in hearing your thoughts about the dr husel criminal case.
i watched it beginning to end, and i think your input about the controversy related to dr husel’s palliative extubations would be really interesting and, as always, insightful.
i think his verdict of “not guilty” was right and just, but i’d love to know if you think he was not guilty in reality.
anyway, thanks for being this reliable repose for me and many others. ✨🌵
I went to Camelot in 80 changed my life teachings of the heaven world's changed my life I'm 75 now teach to anyone who will listen😊
Some good jokes in this one!
Dr. Todd, you are right about certain things, wrong about others. I had friends involved, they were decent people. Nobody was after their money, as far as I could tell. Your part about Merlin, Columbus, etc., you got that wrong. I later read two ECP books, which I found interesting, and I went to a conference. Basically, they wanted to grow spiritually and help humanity. In the end, while it was positive, it was not my thing. Guess you had to be there. Sorry, Todd, but you obviously weren't. You could do better research, even pay a visit, before doing a video.
Thank you. My favorite comment so far. I became a. (an award winning) journalist because nearly every journalist who reported on my mother did not bother to even try to understand her teachings or their origins - or the people in the community who loved it. Everything and everyone has flaws. And she made some big mistakes. But to put a two dimensional picture of her up and then make fun of it - yeah, I guess it’s really disappointing to me. I subscribed to Dr. Todd Grande because I liked his video on Brian Laundrie’s suicide note, and I was impressed. This has many inaccuracies. A cheap laugh by a majority culture, and an ignorant one, that has no quarter for alternative thinking. Not super impressed. I hope you never have to feel like you or your family and their life’s work are simply a punchline on YT.
It's easy to make up a so called 'case' about someone with choosing only certain "facts" designed to bolster the ego of the presenter! Totally designed to suit his audience who accept his judgement without researching the facts themselves. Not impressed.
You obviously got it quite wrong and are in NO position to judge or criticize Dr Todd!
You are hilarious. And accurate. Love your videos.
Impenetrable, that's the real deal....dude all with a perfectly straight face....I'm dying, you Rock Bro.
🪁 Good evening Dr. Grand🌵e.
6:45 PM Ca.time.
Looking forward to another fascinating analysis.
Although I truly wish they were just a little bit longer, your voice makes me very calm somehow, maybe you can speak a lot slower,maybe maybe?Thanks you Dr. Grand🌵e.🪁🪁🪁
As always, I found your analysis of this topic to be informative. Thanks for posting. 😉
Seriously. You are the first one I hear being so on point and transparent!
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Apocalypse is a Greek word that means to remove the Vail. I find it funny the way modern society uses the word.
First , thank you Dr G, I know I'll like it...love it.
Dr. Grande, would you consider doing a video on the murder of 4 year old Derek Robie at the hands of then 13 year old Eric Smith in 1993? Eric Smith was recently paroled after serving 28 years. I think it would be great to hear your thoughts on this case. There are so many components involved in this murder:
*The age of the killer
*The choice of victim
*Eric was relentlessly bullied in school.
*Eric was also physically assaulted at home by his step-father.
*The details of the killing are complex and frightening.
*How Eric was able to kill Derek and then go home and act like normal.
*How Eric must have successfully hidden his sinister motives to convince Derek to follow him to the woods.
*There was a big part of Eric's trial where the defense focused on a medication Eric's mom was taking while pregnant. I'm not sure which medication, but apparently there are adverse outcomes associated with women taking it while pregnant.
*Leading up to the murder, Eric displayed concerning behavior that was overlooked or minimized by his parents. Things like getting in trouble at school, setting fires and getting kicked out of summer camp for a reason (or reasons, plural?) I can't recall at the moment. There's more but you get the idea.
I am curious what you have to say about how young offenders should be handled in our legal system. I'd love to know if you agree with him getting paroled after 28 years, after being incarcerated from age 13 to age 41.
Do you think, given the criminally sophisticated and premeditated nature of this murder, that some criminals should never, ever be released from prison? The details of this murder are extremely brutal and Eric continued assaulting little Derek Robie after he was dead. He did things to him that sound to me like torture and Eric also violated Derek by removing his pants and underwear and penetrating him with sticks.
There's so much to this debate about how teenage (or pre-teen) killers should be sentenced.
I'm positive your loyal viewers will be very interested in your opinion and psychological analysis.
Megan, I think you could do also a very good analysis !
@@felicita5237 🙂💜 That's extremely kind of you to say! You just made my day better, as I have been dealing with three separate upsetting issues recently. Thanks! ❤
@@MeganVictoriaKearns wishing you all the best, Megan❤️ and a great suggestion for a case discussion.
@@MeganVictoriaKearns It was from my heart ,I am very glad I made you day better ,wishing you all the best, dear 😊😇🙏
Hmmm she might have been right about that nuke strike......just a bit off with her timing
My brother has tried many times to become an ascended master. It hadn't worked yet.
Happydudemarius, that was the cutest thing that you said about your brother; but now just be patient, God is not finished with him yet. Oh, and tell your brother for me not to give up!
peace and love,
yishmirai
If ever a prophet tell you the world will end tommorow please call me. I can tell you it is already tomorrow in Africa and all is fine.
Well, there must be a reason that alcohol is also called "spirits". As for me, I'm allergic to alcohol. And to alcoholics. Wine, too. Wine makes you whine. 😕