Bhagwan Rajneesh (Osho) | Was Rajneesh a Superior Cult Leader?
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- This video answers the question: Can I analyze the case of Bhagwan Rajneesh, otherwise known as Osho?
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I appreciate the little extra touch with the shirt color selection for today's topic.
He's worn that one before.
Yes...very appropriate for todays topic.
I don't understand the connection??
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@@thereal4113 Count me in🤓
"He would radiate energy, that doesn't sound safe" 😆
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Interestingly most people using this term hated physics in high school yet not shy of using such terms to sound fancy.
Yeah hahaha. It just depends on the nature of the energy. Positive (loving/ compassionate is nice, bland (like in these videos) is comfortable, vampiristic/materialistic (like Osho) is best avoided.
...💥 ...😰
What was his half life?
"..He told people how socialism wasn't working out ... He established his own religious community ... Everyone worked for free.." 🤨
I am from Brazil. We had a lot of rajneeshis or neo-sannyasins here, they were very organized and had a lot of centres in this country. I don't remember drugs being encouraged by the cult. I had close contacts with them and Rajneesh books were all over the place in the late 70's and early 80's. Sex was their hook, and no doubt Rajneesh spoke a lot about it,
There was a great deal of intellectual wealth in his teachings and I hope not to sound foolish if I say his IQ was extremely high. If you didn't fall into the trap of "falling for him" or becoming part of the cult, if you had that insight before you took the step to join the group, you could benefit from his teachings . Very thought provoking, original, creative, mingling different streams of understanding of life into one incoherent whole that could anyway make sense even though you realized his inconsistencies. He himself recognized he lied a lot and did contradict himself but that was justified by saying he did that in order to confuse you so that you could come up with your own synthesis of all available teachings conducive to happiness and spritual/psychological growth. So his teaching was kind of presenting you with hundreds of different recipes you could draw from to enhance your own development.
An important contribuition to spiritual seekers of the 70's was his impressive knowledge of practically every relevant mystic that has existed in the East. He would introduce their teachings as an insider, as one who belonged to the tradition, and you could in that way get a foretaste of what Lao-Tzu, Kabir, the Sufis, Chuang-Tzu, Nanak, Shankara, dozens of Zen masters taught and meant in their extant writings. Rajneesh introduced a whole generation of westerners to all branches of mystical thought from the East without taking sides or preferences. When explaining Taoism, he was a real taoist speaking, when Zen an zennist, Sufism a sufi himself, etc. Quite amazing.
To sum up, Rajneesh could have possibly helped a certain type of highly educated individual of the 70's trying to make sense of what a modern spiritual life could be like, while at the same time he could be devastating for naive individuals due to his chaotic but convincing mix of every spiritual path imaginable and pop psychology that could easily lead to confusion and even nihilism if you weren't able to filter some of the dangerous elements in his teaching.
Very interesting view/information about Osho. I got bored of him before digging into these depths, so thank you for the knowledge. Still, even though I accept he must have been a very intelligent man, specifically if he really had such an in-depth knowledge of great masters, I personally evaluate my ‘teachers’ by the perceived level of sanctity they emanate. Intelligent, influential people/professors exist in masses all around the world and times, and the novelty:controversy of their approaches make them more or less famous or accepted. But a true master is one that speaks truth from a place in union with God. I doubt very much he ever reached that point….
I agree with you. Rajnish wasn't everyday guru. He was in on the joke. He knew he was a fraud but he treated it more like an experiment. His teachings on these various philosophies are still valuable. In the end he was human and couldn't really get away from his ego. But i think he should be considered a "darshanik" with that as well because you won't find other person again in the east who could talk about Taoism and Buddhism and Geeta Darshan and Freud and Carl's Jung in the same breath. He was more like tinkerer. When you read his writings on let's say Taoism then he would argue in line with perspective of Tao but when he would write on Freud he would do again same with Freud. Maybe people found it contradictory but noone could deny just the amount of knowledge this man had. We could choose to look at negatives but that everyone has, we are all humans and we are frail and we are silly. We should look at ourselves what were we at our peak and at his peak his intellectual prowess could be matched by lot less people if any. I'm born much later but when I read someone like J Krishnamurthy or Rajneesh i get where they came from. I don't know how many people can understand that, it's easy to criticize looking at it on surface level. I guess we should respect the intellect and courage of the person who is ready to look and in the end act silly in order to get to these different philosophies, tinker with them and try to come up with new answers to same existential questions that we all have.
He twisted the spiritual teachings and caused a lot of suffering
@@rohitsonone6497 Well said, Mr. Sonone! Osho is ALMOST as big a fraud as Doctor Grande.
@@kripaharris237 How do you now that? Are you suffer beacuse of him?
The legal system in Oregon didn't pursue charges against him. They decided to let Bhagwans be Bhagwans.
Well played!
The only good cult leader is a dead cult leader.
😆...right!
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Bhahahahahahahahahahahaha :)
"I hope you found my analysis to be enlightening" lol! Namaste, Dr Grande 🙏🏼
“He was asked to transfer... I guess so he could be a danger somewhere else.”
“People with antagonistic personalities were selected as supervisors. Sounds like most corporate and academic jobs. I guess Rajneesh was a pioneer after all.”
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I live for Dr. G’s witty quotes and life lessons.
Yup. And he also chose those personalities so he can pass the blame on them easier when the time comes
Dr. Grande's witticism is stellar.
I enjoyed those same subtleties 😁👍🏼
"He would radiate energy... that doesn't sound safe"
Yu think u know it al.
Yu know nothing
Life is an art
And a daroig adventure......
There are risks in everything
...but slaves dont dare nothing
I really enjoy your non-biased, levelheaded, considerate, and thoughtful way of approaching all manner of topics, and people. I would definitely like to see more coverage on the topics of strange beliefs, and behaviors. I’ve watched nearly 30 of your videos over the past couple of weeks, and you’ve definitely won a sub here.
I finally understand where The Simpsons got the idea of The Leader driving past as cult members rejoiced at the presence of his luxury car
Ah I remember that one now that you mention it, sounds about right
Yeah now I know where that’s from
I wonder how he chose which one of his 93 Rolls Royce's would be right for the drive by!
they took inspiration for that episode from several cults, including Jonestown, the Moonies, Heaven's Gate and Branch Davidians.
@@margaretr5701 lol makes my brain hurt just thinking about what his process could've been
Video suggestion: sexual abuse allegations against Woody Allen
you mean the guy married his adopted daughter and keeps adopting only female children? interesting
"He would radiate energy, ummm that doesn't sound safe" the subtle sarcasm is deadly 😂😂😂
Wait! So the guy who believed in capitalism expected people to work for no pay? None of his believers found that a little odd?
It is truly amazing how easily people can be duped just to feel special to daddy.
@@rheaume1976 what is wrong with osho?
You could try finding out properly
In those days he argued that capitalism is better than socialism in practice, which is widely considered to be true. To stay at his place with beautiful gardens and calm districts, have access to modern comforts, ability to pursue spirituality through meditative techniques and have no boss at the job to yell at you, why would you even need money?
@@scavenski why you need money???to survive??
"Joyously received those bullets" hahaha Sometimes this guy is a regular savage hahahaha
"He did show the world there will always be gullible people ready to follow a charismatic leader".
I find the cult followers as/more interesting as the cult leaders. Please analyse "cult followers".
@Jeff Jaybird you haven’t watched the documentary have you? If people who follow a belief are sheeple then that means anyone who subscribes to any sort of belief system is a sheeple. One of the main things I took from the documentary was that even successful lawyers, scientists, and well educated people with the skill of critical thinking, are tempted by cults. You don’t have to be stupid or naive to join a cult. You just have to suspend your logic, which is why religion exists in the first place.
Would be very interesting
That's easy enough.
The bored, dateless and desperate, lost, derro and lonely, vulnerable and impressionable, usually,
are more susceptible to being a follower, or, echoists.
That's a great observation. There's no supply if there's no demand.
@Q M 👍 Yes. That would be a good tie in to a serious look at the cult type aspects of corporate things too.
I put your videos on as background noise while working sometimes because I find your voice gentle and calming.
Thank you for another video, doctor!
Could you analyze Wilhelm Reich, the psychoanalyst that got his books burned by the FDA? Osho used a lot of his work in his theories.
He also quoted & mentioned Sigmund Freud, Carl Jung, Fredrich Niezsche, many western psychologists & psychoanalyists.
Is there such a thing as a cult leader who isn't narcissistic?
Yes - me
I have actually put some serious thought into that question. Imagine a cult with a leader who is not self-centered...
Probably not
No. Absolutely not.
@@mountainstream8351 how about jesus?
“Enlightening” don’t think we didn’t catch that one Dr Grande
ikr =))))))) I burst out laughing right the moment he said it. =))))))))
Looking forward to hearing more of Dr. Grande's thoughts on specific cults. Good and timely topic
Your take on Sadhguru would be interesting.
"So he could be a danger somewhere else". Lo and behold,he came to America.😈
The American way!
LOL then got kicked out.
Everytime I hear the words "Hello, this is Dr. Grande," I just feel warm and fuzzy inside 😊
It's his way of initiating you into his cult...😏
I just thought he was greeting his audience.
Do you also feel stupid sometimes?
@@dougarnold7955 lmaooo
Eeeww seriously.
Great review Dr. Grande! I have to admit that I bought several of Bhagwan's books way back in the 70's when I was in college and at the time I found them to be interesting. He seemed to me to be somewhat like a real life Obi-Wan Kenobi. Of course this was before he became Osho and moved to Oregon to put together his Rolls Royce collection. My college roommate didn't seem very impressed with his writings, and insisted on referring to him as BagOHashish. My dad looked at some of my Bhagwan books and said "This guy is talking in circles." All in all I think your summary statement "... a jumbled mess of an idealogy" pretty well hit the nail on the head. I had forgotten all about him until that recent Documentary came out.
My parents raised me on quantum physics, Osho’s books were a huge part of my upbringing. Shocking to discover what went on behind the books...😞
What was shocking exactly?
Actually he is great but to understand him is not everyones's cup of tea.
Srila prabhupada from the krishna consciousness movement said in the 70s
There are many bogus gurus selling spirituality using the temptation of free sex and many people in this material world who believe they're living a spiritual life are actually caught up in a long period of heavy karma of Cheaters and the cheated where they spend years of being cheated by bogus guru to receive heavy lessons about your deeper darker desires occurring in ones subconscious
I lived for 6 years right outside of the Osho comune in Pune India. (after Oshos death) I saw a lot....
What has that hypocrite man to do with quantum physics sorry?
YAY. I don't know if you remember doctor Grande but I requested that you did an analysis of bhagwan shree rajneesh also known as Osho. I lived with him in the commune in Oregon for 2 years and I can tell you there was some very very sketchy weird crap going on there. I just hopped on to thank you for doing this and now I'm going to go watch the video.
Hello! I had just moved to Oregon when I watched him drive by us in a damn Rolls Royce! Then some locals filled me in, about him. Dr. Grande is amazing with requests!! 👍 The Dr. Grande is my favorite. ♥️✌️ Thanks for requesting, I had almost forgotten about Osho.
If you are still donating Rolls Royces to people then I'll gladly take one! :p
An uncle of mine stayed at the meditation centre in Pune in the 80s. He too was of the same opinion; lots of sketchy practices going on in every centre of the cult.
Amazing life you've had. I bet it was an intoxicating yet scary environment.
Happy you you got away without being hurt.💜
curious.. so fearful of all the "sketchy" stuff going on in today's society.. people feeling free to work on themselves, share love, and engage in guided practices to become better people and understand themselves and their own mind, body and spirit... what has the world come to?!?! if only these orange people could have been like the rest of society is today, huh?!
You should do Shoko Asahara next, he’s arguably more terrifying than this guy and Charles Manson combined. He ordered his followers to release Sarin in Tokyo’s subways with the intent of starting WWIII.
Not as bad as Jim Jones, who murdered hundreds of people, including babies, children and adults.
@@jf8050 yeah, Jim Jones was the worst in terms of body count. I’d say Aum Shinrikyo could have been much worse had they been a little more competent. They had scientists and engineers from elite universities, and they could easily make WMDs. Regardless of body count, cults are a terrifying reflection of how people feeling left out of society are easily swept up by charlatans.
Yeah Aum was a really scary phenomenon.
@@jf8050 Come to think of it, has he done Jones, yet? I think he's done Manson already. That's Charlie, not Marilyn, though the latter would be _interesting_ viewing.
David Berg was/is even worse.
When I was around 12 years old (around 1972), my sister's boyfriend took us to see him in what seemed like a large auditorium in Los Angeles California. He sat and mumbled something about how everything has an end and that while observing his Rolls Royce he notice how it curves to an end like life. He didn't make a lot of sense and Sounded like he was stoned. The place was packed and standing room only. He just sat on a chair that looked like it belonged to a king. That boyfriend she had was weird.
He was "stoned" and the reason being was spritual ecstasy that accompanies Samadhi( deep meditation)
People who have progressed beyond an excitable nature usually speak in a deliberately controlled manner.
If you watch one of his hundreds of videos his discorse is always wise and deliberate.
Many do not comprehend his concepts because they are way over their level of comprehensive absorption.
You were fortunate to be in the presence of an Enlightened master.
If you evolve, you will come to see that experience as the most significant of your life, bar none.
He was in Bombay in '72, but maybe you mean '82, when the Ashram in Poon had closed and centers were opened in various American cities (mostly in California). I don't think the RR collecting started until Oregon. Maybe you saw him via video?
Pretty much what was shown in Wild Wild Country. Lots of mumbling, Rolls-Royces on tap and a deranged secretary going around poisoning people. One cracy lot .
The less present he became, and less visible he was to his followers, his power over them increased. The mythology and mystery was the fuel to his growth and made him so powerful. Blows my mind.
Just a reminder I'm not diagnosing anybody in this video; only speculating what could be happening during a Transcendental Meditation session like this.
Lol
You have the wrong guru here, that was another cult leader. (TM)
@@archis3 :)
@@zOOmzity Yes but the joke works. Osho does teach meditation, but I don't know what type.
@@BigZebraCom 😂😂😂
The "so he could be a danger somewhere else" comment had me. 😂😂
Those who have not tasted their own inner beauty will not be able to understand osho. They have no experience of what he talks about
You understood, bravo ❤
Very interesting video! I like your format, they way you give background information helps me get an understanding of him. Then I like when you followed up with your analysis and reasons for your opinions and is quite instructional. Thank you!
"he would radiate energy... that doesnt sound safe"
lol
that is the hidden jem of this video if you ask me
Dr Grande's ability to keep a straight face is
Oscar worthy.
Get the Academy on the line Pronto!
As a former research fellow at university, the part about working for free and having antagonistic supervisors is too real! That was hilarious! I love your videos, so informative and funny!
Hi Dr Grande. I am a psychiatrist and I appreciate your effort and in trying to understand Rajneesh. Rajneesh or Osho was brilliant philosopher, theologian and Mystic. Polite academic community does not discuss spiritual matters as they are considered unscientific. I feel however that they scientific rigor and rational approaches are unable to capture the magic that animates spiritual beings. He is therefore much misunderstood. I don’t agree with some of your opinions but I appreciate your efforts in trying to illuminate the topic. Thank you
Honestly, Mr Gill, I kind of sense that "Doctor" Grande is empty and soul-less, He has been making personal attacks on on a MANY spiritual teachers out of an unconscious sense of self-loathing. One of his most unabashed bashings was his "analyis" of the gentle, and oh-so-benevolant Eckart Tolle. Grande was not only un-professional, but childishly bitter and without vision or understanding. Issues, issues . . .
@@Acoustic-Rabbit-Hole I Guess Mr. Gill's attempt is more inclined towards attracting views through criticism rather than display of genuine content...
Osho was not a brilliant philosopher, not even a philosopher, he was a charlatan, a good seller. All his philosophy is just a copy paste of eastern philosphy, and he was using it to manipulate people.
@E R I dont think you have enough credentials to disprove him either as a philosopher or approve him as a charlatan.
@@vishalchoudhury7174 Credentials? That's a fallacy buddy. You need arguments and info in order to understand something, not credentials. Don't you know all the shit he did in Oregon? Wake up, just because you like the spiritual things he says don't you need to defend that piece of shit manipulative charlatan. His teachins are a commercial westernized mix of well known eastern philosophy.
I have seen the Netflix documentary, an analysis of Sheela would be interesting. I got the impression that she was the mastermind of evil😈
I think she was too!
I haven't figured out yet if the Bhagwan was the most clueless/gaslighted person in the world or the most duplicitous. I have watched Wild, Wild, Country twice now and still don't know. Sheela definitely ran things but how much did he know? The perfect companion piece is a documentary called "Kumare" where a filmmaker essentially made up a bunch of sh*t and got a following as a guru.
Yves yes I would definitely say she was likely the master mind.
@@hectorsmommy1717 I've asked this exact same question many times, how much did he know exactly. It's very curious and was never really covered in the documentary.
@@samaireoctober5584 Seems like he was either high or not all together there in the movie. His eyes were hypnotizing.
I knew a woman who gave everything she had to Rajneesh and moved to his ashram mentioned here. She said they had group physical intimacy, and she looked hypnotized sort of. I told her I didn't think it was a good idea to sell her profitable business.
Oh fuck
They had what ????????
Gangbangs. Jesus Christ they had Gangbangs!
well done, love it. I lived in an ashram and was the main goal to become like this osho ashram. Im glad I had some senses and leave six months after. People saw a great way to be rich playing with others faith. I left, because didnt have any psychological support... many meditation that brings up pain and traumas and no support at all. Then I heard about some extorsions and sexual issues. I saw the documentary about osho one month after I left... They are reaching their goals and becoming very similiar as osho, sadly. Im on therapy for a year now, because after meditate for 3/4 times per day, I experience a detatch from myself, didnt know who I was anymore, and a lots of allucinations, and got a deep depression. Im better now... A good thing is that I intesify my studies on psychological effects on meditation and Im studying to be psychologist, this channel is very helpfull to understand and entertaining. Thanks a lot.
He changed his sign off to be, “I hope you found my analysis of this topic to be ‘enlightening,’”rather than ‘interesting!’
I am an oregonian and I remember the Bhagwan very well. My dad was an electrician and worked often with Ma Ahnad Sheila a lot he said she was exceedingly nice and good to work with...he was also very open-minded
Oddly after watching the documentary part of me liked Sheila to a a point. When she started poisoning the local town, I changed my mind. Sad. I think Bhagwan fell out of love for her and she became a monster to a degree.
@@samaireoctober5584 I’m still not sold that Sheela acted solely on her own volition. I believe she was acting under the behest of Bhagwan. He just made her take the fall for it. With that being, They were both flawed individuals imo yet what they were able to accomplish together was quite remarkable.
Ah the Bhagwan, a comedian who has electric and magnetic powers. Rajneesh followers who I encountered were very strange. Considering the fact that at the time the counter culture was in vogue. I'm glad that at the time this was happening I was still able to retain enough awareness to recognize that this was a scam.
I wonder how different he really was from other cult leaders. They all have similar traits so it seems.
This was later than the counter-culture times. It was more than a scam - he poisoned people and planned to poison the town’s water supply. These were not Hari Krishna.
Where I was at that time (1980-84) just leaving the house for school/work and returning home was like going through a 'pinball machine' of 'Sinnyasins', EST Recruiters, and Scientologists telling me I looked like I needed 'cheering up'. It was 'ugly' but I also stayed sane. Thank you for adding that.
Dr. Grande, do you have any tips for developing some empathy? I feel like there's some kind of veil between me an other people's feeling and the connection isn't immediate but takes some time and reasoning for me to finally get it.
I admire spiritual leaders for their charm and unique perspectives on life, morality, and psychology, but at times their teachings can be confusing and cause logical dilemmas. Your objective analysis and evaluation is greatly appreciated
He was only 58 wow being a cult leader really ages one I thought he was about 75 or 80 years of age.🙄
I’d love to know your analysis on Ma Anand Sheela. Watching the documentary had me real interested in what per personality profile and potential diagnosis may be. I don’t know about other available information but the documentary alone featured plenty of interesting insight in regards to these things but obviously an opinion of an expert would shed far more light on this topic then my speculations
indeed. the bit about her making her ‘assistant’ wax her legs at 3 in the morning was so weird.
You mean the Netflix documentary right? I saw that one a while ago. She was an interesting one indeed!
exactly!!
Psychopathic for Def's
Yes I would love to know more about her!
Hi Dr. Grande, thanks for an excellent analysis of Osho. One thing though, I agree that there will always be "gullible" people who will get involved in religious cults. However, gullibility is not the defining characteristic of a cult member. People who join cults tend to be people who are intelligent, educated and idealistic - and they are not aware that what they are joining is actually a cult when they initially join it. One of the main reasons people join cults is to have a sense of living in a supportive community, not necessarily because they have fallen under the spell of the leader (although that also happens). It would be great if you could do a video delving into the personality traits of those who are susceptible to cultic influence. Thank you and I love your dry sense of humor!
Not everyone who enjoyed his books joined were part of a cult
Step one is Normal society that promotes disjointed families which makes them better workers. Instead of happiness in one's home life the happiness comes from a career, making money and the pleasures one can buy with that money. All TV sitcoms show families lying to each other, saying hurtful things, etc.. So most growing up crave a more stable family group, which accepts them as they are, which leads to joining gangs, churches, and indeed cults. You hit the nail on the head. People join these good or bad groups because a basic supportive community is not supplied in normal life. If the programs that make the working class work harder were rewritten then there could be less desperation to join these extreme groups.
Doubt on "educated". Anyone educated enough don't fall for cults.
LOL at you thinking people who fall for these con-artist's bullshit are intelligent, educated, or idealistic. These people are straight up suckers. Idealism is basically defined as being naive/unrealistic, or not accepting the world for how it really is, so how could you even consider someone like that intelligent/educated? There is nothing intelligent about giving your time and money away to some pathetic cult leader. What a joke.
I binge watched "Wild Wild Country" -i found it fascinating. His followers annoyed the crap out of me(!) and I found Sheela to be both fascinating and frightening.I'd like to see you do an analysis of her as well please!
Seems he got more enlightened the more money he got and driving in a Rolls he must have reached Nirvana.
Best comment of this vid!
@Char Les He called himself Zorba the Buddha. People don't have a clue!
Dr Grande, you brighten up my day with your good clean humour, another great video, Thank you.
Could you do an analysis of Ayn Rand? Her inner circle has been said to have been something of a cult with her at the helm. (Fun fact- former chair of the Fed Alan Greenspan had been part of Rand's inner circle in the late Fifties and early Sixties.) Thanks.🙂
The only reason you think conservatives are mentally ill is because you're eating up dated KGB propaganda LOL.
@@Idontwantahandle6669 Ayn Rand wasn't a conservative.
@@Idontwantahandle6669 You cannot call her a conservative. She was too radical for that.
You are one of the best persons i´ve come across on the internet. I value science and reason so i think its really honorouble work you are doing and i know you are contributing to a better tomorrow. A very unique thing you do is the analysis of pop-culture and whats in the news-topics from a strictly psychological perspective and always disclosing if something is an opinion. I think this is an absolutely awesome way to instill knowledge of psychology in the general population. Anyway, you really get me to feel like there are people who value reason and you give me hope. Now this feels really weird but you often make my days with your flawless analysises and explanations. Thank you
On September 1, 1984, some grad students and I moved into a large old house close to Univ. Of Texas, Austin. The previous tenants were Rahneesis and some were moving out as we moved in; they were moving to Oregon. One of my housemates said he had seen a man and woman in the dining room, he thought they may have been having sex. He wasn't entirely sure it was possible to have sex in that position. Household chores were posted on index cards on a bulletin board in the kitchen. The chores for "Walls and Dusting" were:
Check Love Bags daily. Make sure each one contains 2 condoms, 2 pairs latex gloves, and KY Jelly.
Memories to last a lifetime.
That’s so weird
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Sounds like the kit a soapy tit wan k , would need.
Thank you for your tale! Between 1980 -1984 I was also a student (west coast city) and the 'Sannyasins' (Rahneesis) 'the raj-nesh', were a constant peril for me.
What a memory 😀
Your sense of humor is so subtle!
Hilarious however.., Got to love Doc
Generally find Dr. Grande's views interesting and on point. However, as someone who discovered Osho as a college student in the 80s and have read a great many of his books and discourses, the focus on sex is entirely misplaced. Did he speak about sexual energy, yes; but that was hardly the sole or even the most talked about topic he covered. Osho, was a misunderstood gift to humanity. Oregonians, like most homogenous communities in America, were fearful of his people and wealth; and his representatives (Sheela et.al) miscalculated when dealing with them. Everyone focuses on the cars and wealth which is entirely the point of those who sought to discredit him. I encourage any and all "seekers" to check out his many great talks on CZcams or to pick up one of his books. He is right up there with the Buddha, Krishnamurti, Alan Watts, and other spiritual greats.
I agree, he is greatly misunderstood.
Hi Dr. Grande. I have a question,, so, on the opposite side of a cult leader, there are followers. How come so many people get involved in cults, and what kind of personalities, and or mental state (s) of mind do they have. Especially considering, that some cults have thousands and thousands of participants/believers. I know this is a huge question, in a little sentence, but any feedback or analysis from you would be greatly appreciated I am sure. I watch you in Jamaica, and love your channel. Take care, and Thank You.
Great video. I have a close family member who has been taken in by Osho, through his books, and it has caused no small amount of strain on our relationship. Glad to hear a sober account of his life and the psychology behind it.
I would love to see an analysis of the phenomenon known as The Mandela Effect, and the psychological characteristics of someone who might subscribe to such belief.
He never said to anyone to believe him. Actually he was against all the believes. I have listened to 300+ hours of his discourses it's greatest thing happened to my life. He was a n authentic man not just another goody goody fake personalities.
You taken away by vampires..
@@nondual4601 cult
@@nondual4601 yeah he was authentic, authentically crazy.
Thank you Todd, Always appreciate you, and your content
Great video as always Dr. I would like to suggest a video. There was a MLB player named Elijah Dukes who was obsessed with strangling people. Teammates, family, and random strangers were not safe. His career was cut short as a result.
Any cult leader who has 90 plus Rolls Royce’s doing drive by’s for his followers ...is a tell! Also, when he recreates himself, OSHO .
"He would radiate energy (that doesn't seem safe)." And now my laptop is covered in soda. Thanks, Dr. Grande, for the spit take!
Very interesting video Dr.Grande.
I would really be interested to understand the mentality of those who actually are in a cult. Have you ever treated such patients ?
Very good request, Kevin.
@@e.l.243 Thank you Ella.
@Gil Monteverde I think that is a fair assessment Gil.
@Gil Monteverde Well that's just for starters, I think there's much more to it than that.
@@marilynkennedy8236 Yeah but also a shallow one.
I really enjoy the background of these guys. Much is revealed. Thank you
Quite the story. I remember when this character moved to Oregon. We were horrified.
I'm enjoying your descriptions of the gurus. Have you done Byron Katie?
The MOST disturbing personality defect of Rajneesh was his extremely narrow taste in automobiles. 😂 I'm kidding of course, but I do suspect it is the tip of his bat shit crazy iceberg.
Thank you sincerely Dr.Grande for being a amazingly reliable source of fascinating information and LOL humor! 😎👍
and a lot of people till this day still think of him as a messiah even compare to Buddha , i replied to someone about this under a video about him and that person replied me with weak minded people cant understand his teaching only the great and courageous can . man this pep scares me......
@Mango Man yo i really cant say if Indians hate him am Indian never heard of him same with many people i personally know. But the video i talked about in my previous comment there were lot of Indians in comment section including the one that replied to me were supporting him. So i dont really think Indians hate him oviously not everyone since most pep ik dont even know him but cant say about the whole population.
@Eddie Avinashi exactly 👍...
just listen to what he answers to such accusations, like having the rolls royces and watches. these things were asked to him and he answered what it is all about. before you make crazy assumptions, why not ask the person himself (or watch the video where he says it) what he says about it. most accusations are from people who only heard of him from others.
the things with the "only 1 type of automobile". he answered an interviewer that, they gave away other rolls royce models, because the seats were killing osho's back.
the model he used, he says, fitted beautifully from the beginning, thats why he only uses this one. if your next question is why he has so many of them, go and look for the answer for yourself
@@syminreed3922 he does not compare himself with buddha. he calls himself "Zorba the Buddha" which means, the material life (zorba) and the spiritual life (budda) combined into one life. thats why all the people are so mad at him. spiritualists are mad because he talks about materialism. materialists are mad at him because he talks about spiritualism.
he wanted to "erase" all the divisions between men. materialist/spiritualist is also a duality to transcend according to him.
and thats what buddha also did. when buddha got enlightened after a long time of starving, being a monk who should not ask for food, he got enlightened under the bodhi tree and then said to his disciples "lets eat" - they thought he had lost all his spirituality, when according to the story, this was the moment he was enlightened and then he said this.
This is on a different note but can you explain the relationship between BTS and their fan base called Armies? Why are so many people flocking to them? Can this be a movement for the greater good?
It already is! I liken it to Beatles fandom on steroids. Army have pushed petitions and charity drives for all types of issues.
I can kind of answer this as a fan of K-pop myself. The K-pop community as a whole (armies included) have done a lot to help people; things like raising well over $1million together to support the BLM movement, to advocating for mental health, to deplatforming homophobes by flooding their online spaces. The reasons are pretty simple as to how this happens: 1) everyone into Kpop has something in common. As the other reply says, it can be compared to fans of the Beatles, or any other international craze. The commonality brings people together in a big way, and the fact that K-pop is popular in the West as well as the East due to the internet means that people can be connected from all over the world.
2) the vast VAST majority of K-pop fans and stans are under 25. Many are in their teens. The younger generation is naturally predisposed towards activism and change, especially currently given the recent polarising climate. This age and disposition in combination with the community K-pop provides gives people the opportunity and means to create change. The large fanbase is familiar with the internet due to their age, so they know how to make causes popular and spread the word. They can communicate internationally, so they can find out what's going on in all different parts of the world and how different areas can be helped. BTS and other kpop bands are also involved in both public and private activism, which then encourages their followers to do the same
The problem isn't what they are doing right now but what they could do?
I'm not accusing the army or kpop fan in general of anything but we should study this behavior let assume someone or organization/government with bad intentions use this phenomena as a template?! or what if one of bts member committed suicide? do you think his 13 years old fans wouldn't try to do the same? what if he left a message encouraging suicide how many of these young girls will copy his behavior?
I know its a stretch but nonetheless better safe than sorry, plus I think it'll be interesting to study.
my point is there's nothing good could come from obsessive love/admiration because they submitted their brain and thoughts to their idols (funny that what kpop fan call them) and it's all depends on the idol now if he good then they'll do good if he is bad then they'll do bad.
I hope I explained my point well cause English isn't my language.
i don't understand the appeal either, K-Pop to me rather feels like a niche or fringe stream of popular music and very very much geared to a rather Asian audience? I don't know, Asian singers always appeared so "clean" and "sterile" to me, I don't know how else to put it. I never hear any K-pop song played in the radio or tv music channel. Also, those k-pop bands have weird, ridiculous contracts, bordering on illegality in my opinion. There were a few suicides among band members already, so I don't know how all that can be so appealing.
As mum to an ARMY daughter I agree with k a. Part of what I think my daughter likes is their vulnerability, honesty and striving for a better place. Through her I listened to their music and read translated lyrics and they are very deep, often with several layers going on. On top of that they are brilliant dancers, talented singers and songwriters and are good looking chaps. For me, as a mum, they just seem like very nice polite young men. I think the Korean way of showing respect is refreshing for many in the west. TBH I know they saved my daughter who suffers with anxiety and was bullied and isolated at school, especially as they’ve been honest regarding depression etc and what has helped them and telling people to love themselves. The fact that their management company was small and new meant they had to work all the harder to be heard and recognised. A kind of David and Goliath mixed with a rags to riches story. I think also their love and friendship for one-another really shows through. My husband loves metal music but also admires BTS and admits they’re all extremely talented. I think that’s some of the reasons why there’s so much love for BTS.
As always, insightful and really appreciative of your sense of humor. On Netflix there is a series of the gang/cult like behavior of the church of Scientology, I’m wondering if that’s what happens when a cult goes unchecked.
Aw Osho... the conman of conmans. The Master of Masters. The eternal Friend 💜
Based on this comment section, he's still snowing people 30 years later.
@@christinadepenbusch9407 True! only you remain! Join us! you'll love it!
A well done analysis, full of insight and lots of wit, ty. There are some strange people in this world!
This will show my age but I remember when this guy was caught because one of my high school history teachers started yelling "They bagged the Bagwan!" over and over and I thought he was nuts! 😂
Great analysis Dr. Grande and love the dry sarcasm as always!
Wish my high school history teacher had a sense of humor like that.
Quite the character! Great episode, Dr. Grande!
I lived near them growing up in Oregon. I dont think that over all that Baghwan/ Osho was evil, just very eccentric. Sheela and her Minions on the other hand were sheer evil. There are still communities and Disciples all over the world.
Excellent content on OSHO.
Perhaps, contrast J. Khrishnamurti, who founded a school in Ohi, California.
And Brockwood Park school in England. Excellent place.
When I was a teen I met 2 members backpacking through Australia, they were super sweet.
So?
Yeah that's how they get ya. Ingratiating smiles
@@Ignirium as if cult followers were some evil manipulating force. they are humans. they are as complex and dangerous as anyone else. power messes with people.
@@yuktim4906 Bad ideas are the "evil manipulating force", and some ideas are worse than others. I haven't even mentioned how pernicious or vile religious ideas can be; they look as sweet/inviting/harmless as an ingratiating smile :) its a masquerade
@@Ignirium not trying to fool anyone or myself here. violence is harmful. however, i think even violent people want the best for themselves and don't see how abusing power and acting violently is not only harming others but ultimately, themselves, too. so what does evil even mean? it's a vile religious idea, isn't it? maybe i'm just sliding into an all-is-one-hippyish argumentation à la teal now, though. thinking about mind tends to mess with me. :p
I am niave and I don't know what really happened at the time(during osho), but while listening him, his discourses, I can't stop loving him. So unique, so simple yet so powerful. It really makes me at peace. And whenever I listen against osho and and all the contradictions I try to analyze about his effect on me and my life. The effect has been very positive for me, with almost zero negative effects.
The danger is so low, like what can osho do to me, he doesnot teach me to harm anyone, doesnot teach me completely detach from society, to do suicide or anything.
so listening osho is very important for me and I love him.
While saying that, everybody should follow their guts.
But if anyone asks me, I would always recommend them to listen osho once because chance is that it might be one of the very good decisions of their life.
Best. You nailed it. Thank you
Thank you so much, Dr Grande, for your interesting and humorous analysis of Osho. I'm wondering if it's possible to pick up a living enlightened teacher for analysis? Eckhart Tolle, Mooji, Adyashanti, Tony Parsons... Very much look forward, in the hope you will talk about some of them.
Mooji is not enlightened
I'm old enough to remember Bhagwan Rajneesh"s televised cult meetings being shown regularly on a local cable TV channel. The Bhagwan would frequently mentioned having "inspiration" while he was sitting on the "throne", (aka toilet). It always drew a dutiful and repressed response of quiet laughter from the audience.That was the only "humor" he ever had to offer. He would babble away boringly. There was also a Moonie cult building located in the neighborhood. And being as I lived in an area just west of a major state university there also the expected Scientology recruitment office. Alex Jones was just getting his show started on a local community TV channel. It was a great time to live through.
Must have been very interesting, watching so many different factions growing around you.
I adore your sarcasm!! Love it! Also your videos are quite educational! Thank you! If you haven't done Gypsy Rose...thinking about it!
Wow, thanks for that! Filled in lots of gaps for me.
In a separate note, Dr. Grande, would you consider covering “ coaching children” in abuse cases.
Great I'm glad you finally did an analysis of Rajneesh
I love when you do an analysis of any type of cult. Seriously Dr Grande your humor gets me everytime! Keep up the good work!💙💙
Rajneesh was my father's debating partner in Jabalpur University. My dad shared a lot of the talks he had with Rajneesh with me. I plan to publish these as "The untold wisdom of Rajneesh". A pragmatist and hedonist to the core, Osho had a very different philosophy from traditional saints
he is not a hedonist at all. He lived a very ascetic life.
He was only highlighting the fact that most people need to fulfill their kama, artha desires before they can pursue their dharma, moksha desires, not necessarily all in the same life. Kali yuga is all about fulfilling kama, artha desires as these attributes make up the essence of this yug.
@@comuniunecuosho-campulbudi7611 how do you know he was not hedonist? May be in college he was.
@@Anant2014Me that’s wrong, dharma and moksha are crucial as well. Tell me if your Om is killed and judge takes bribe to let loose murderer, will you like it? Won’t you challenge the decision in higher court? What is your dharma as son? What is judge’s dharma?
@@Kathakathan11 he was not... Look at his photos when he was 19-20 years old
Thank you for this analysis Dr. Grande. One gets the sense the followers of gurus are drawn in by a sense of validation and importance they derive from thinking the very 'enlightened' guru knows them immediately at first meeting. This theme is evident in the book "My Father's Guru" about writer and 'guru' Paul Brunton who lived with former psychoanalyst Jeffrey Masson's family for many years. Could you look into Paul Brunton and maybe H.P. Blavatsky?
“He would radiate energy... that doesn’t sound safe...” 😂 Great video, Dr Grande
Sounds cancerous lol
I worked at a New Age bookstore in the 80s, and a few of my coworkers were sannyasins. I asked them a lot of questions about Bhagwan, like why didn’t he donate the money from the sale of his Rolexes and Rolls Royces to charity? One sannyasin told me that “Bhagwan thinks charity is a joke.” I asked follow up questions and none gave me any satisfying answers. I just could not understand his attraction, other than to give emotionally repressed people “permission “ to act out.
I’ve also driven through Antelope a couple times. It’s barely a town - a few old houses - and I can see why the people there would get upset. Folks out there like their solitude and all of a sudden thousands of people in their red outfits come round.
I personally met many Rajneesh followers over the years. I find most of them to be very intelligent and most lovable individuals.
I have too. There were a bunch of them out on Maui. Smart, decent, human beings.
One man's cult is another man's religion.
Cults may be religion based, or at least worldview and belief based, but the sort of high control group that is generally referred to as a cult is much more than a religion.
This definition is one that has been referred to for decades and encompasses much of what a cult is:
Cult: A group or movement exhibiting:
1) great or excessive devotion or dedication to some person, idea, or thing, and
2) employing unethical manipulative or coercive techniques of persuasion and control (e.g., isolation from former friends and family, debilitation, use of special methods to heighten suggestibility and subservience, powerful group pressures, information management, suspension of individuality or critical judgement, promotion of total dependency on the group and fear of leaving it),
3).designed to advance the goals of the group's leaders,
4) to the actual or possible detriment of members, their families, or the community.
Excerpted from Cultic Studies Journal, 3, (1986): 119-120.
@@lisazdvoru1660 i think all 4 could apply to the Catholic - and not only Catholic - church, no? The only ? ia 2, but if, for example you are telling your members that their gay friends will go to hell, that sounds pretty manipulative and controlling.
I always appreciate your take on things. This was characteristic of your style in that it was pretty thorough, concise, intelligent, and yet unambiguous, when a little more ambiguity might be called for. It’s pretty clear that whatever room Osho walked into, he was the smartest one in it. Cult leaders become cult leaders because of their ability (either farcical or true) to help people develop their consciousness beyond what the customary mechanisms available in society (like established religions or therapeutic interventions) have the power to do. People who prefer perspectives without allowances for ambiguity and lack of certitude in the final analysis, don’t appear to cope well with or grasp the value of the search for enlightenment, and their lack of agency to pursue it or understand how the methods might differ substantially from conventional approaches to wellness seems to leave them sniggering somewhat sanctimoniously at those who pursue it or profess to provide the means to attain it. I think this analysis suffers from this issue, though I’m not necessarily defending Osho or his followers. The story of his life and followers is certainly the kind of story that you just can’t make up.
If the goal of a guru is to expand consciousness and wake people up to a richer experience of life, I’m not sure we can say he failed. Again, I’m not backing him up; I don’t know enough about what really happened and all of the context surrounding it to make a reliable final judgement, I just wanted to leave the door cracked for a little ambiguity in our interpretations and judgements...
While I agree in your cult leader conclusion, I must say "some" of his followers are the nicest people I've ever met. Really funny and positive.
Thanks Dr Grande I’ve been waiting for this analysis of Rajanesh/Osho. I’ve known many of his followers back in the 80’s. Interesting he studied hypnosis he did have a hypnotic way of speaking and his followers seemed to be under a spell. I wonder if there’s a personality type that is prone to following narcissistic sociopathic leaders?
Yeah there is
I lived as a hare krishna in temples for 5 years , the philosophy is pure especially as it says to renounce sex life unless planning to have children
Many Americans and American gurus took the hare krishna practice into a cult like direction during 80' s , what the hell was going on in the 80s with this Cult mentality
anyway , the founding guru of krishna consciousness in the West stated that many in this world have karma to be cheated by the cheaters and have to endure many years of their lives being cheated by bogus gurus but that's the issue, they don't accept defeat and accept a hard karmic slap in this life , because it's painful for the ego to accept they were cheated many will continue to follow the teachings of that guru even after they've passed away
A single human life of being cheated , hopefully this wakes the subconscious up so in their next birth they become more bullet proof to being fooled by bogus gurus like osho
that was interesting. I've seen "Osho" books in bookstore spirituality sections over the past decade but stayed clear out of instinct and the name brand. I didn't know it was Bhagwan Rajneesh who I remember from Bloom County comics back in the 80s. I think Bill the Cat became a member?
At least Rajneesh had a good eye for fashion color coordination.
* had
Fashion is always the priority.
He invented the prison jumpsuits that are still in use today. 🙂
Very nice analysis, Dr. Grande!
Thanks for the video. Dr Grande.
Osho is my favorite of all the cult leaders. He just seemed like he was really having fun and there’s something to be said for that. Also about 12 years ago I got into meditation. Someone gave me a book of his musings on the subject (didn’t know he was a cult leader at the time) and his advice really helped me get into the correct mindset as a westerner who initially thought I was supposed be very peaceful and calm during meditation right away. Go figure! 🤷♂️ ... Let’s not throw the baby out with the bath water is what I’m tryin to say I guess.
Edit: good grief some people actually got annoyed about this comment so I’m gonna go ahead, take the opportunity, and double down hard here: I’ve never once in my life felt even the vaguest of pull towards any of the classic famous cult leaders. Manson, Jones, Koresh, Applewhite? They do nothing for me. Like I look at them and can’t begin to fathom how any person could find them even slightly appealing. Ngl there’s just something about ol’ Rajneesh where I feel like IF a cult leader could hook me it’d be him. I KNOW it’s wrong OKAY? I def don’t “CONDONE HIS BEHAVIOR.”... I’m just sayin he’s the only one of the bigtime cult leaders where I can kinda see why people went for it! Like 9% of me wants to join his cult. Am I the only one who feels this way?! Come on- cut me some slack, Jack!
Word.
He had interesting writings, but his works do not seem to be in agreement with them.
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You hit the nail on the head!
Sure there might be some good work in there - after all he was capable of enduring academia until he became a professor, so he can't be without some dicipline. But like with everybody, that's no guarantee they won't go off the deep end scamming people or go certifiably nuts like unabomber etc..
The best con artists, like the best liars, are able to combine some valuable truths with persuasive lies.
" ... there always be gullible people."
I follow your videos from India, I think you have a lot of followers from our country. Especially my friends like the dark humor you use while analyzing the cases. Excellent work!
I have listened to Ol 300+ hours of Osho's discourses in last 2 years and that is the best thing happened in my life.
Yes, he is incredibly wise and a very unique teacher of non-duality.
He actually manifested a seemingly chaotic Asram so the he and his authentic students could grow faster through staying calm in any situation and around very excitable people.
A fast track to Enlightenment.
In one of his videos he says ( very gently) that Sheila was not a spiritual person and did not meditate. 🌅🙏🧘♀️🧘♂️
Poor you!
@@erikparent8176 obvious fraud
why would he need all those expensive cars...you fool
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