World In Action - British Airtours Flight 28M (Manchester Airport Fire)
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- World In Action episode from Monday 21st October 1985
Documentary examining the last days of the British Airtours Boeing 737, which caught fire at Manchester Airport on Thursday 22nd August 1985 - Zábava
A young man who worked at Astra Zeneca was a hero because he managed to get out but went back to help rescue others. When he walked into the dinner hall it fell silent. Such a brave and kind hearted man.
My best friend was killed on this plane I remember how excited she was getting a job has a airstewedness still miss her to this day.
That’s terrible Beverley. I am from Manchester and this disaster was horrific. As a lot of passengers and crew were from around the Manchester area it seemed as if everyone knew someone caught up in the disaster. My work colleague was due to fly midday to Madrid but was substantially delayed. Compared to the loss of life the delay was nothing. To lose your friend is so sad. I am sure you will never forget her. We will all never forget events like these in our lifetime.
@@neilhilton35 thankyou niel she was a wonderful person.
That’s absolutely terrible, I’m sorry for your loss. I remember this accident, I couldn’t believe it, because we never thought that British Airways/Airtours planes would have disasters that would kill people.
I grew up near the airport. I just remember hearing sirens and my dad told me there had been a crash. Rip to your friend and all the others that passed away so tragically xxx
More sorrow for the Manchester area 5 years on from the Dan air flight from Manchester to tenerife which crashed resulting in the loss of 146 souls...very sad
You stop to pick up luggage in a situation like that and you should be jailed. You got an estimated 90 seconds to evacuate and every item, no matter how small, takes time and takes up space. So it only takes a second or two to grab a poxy laptop? Multiply that by the number of other twats doing the same thing and it becomes tantamount to murder. Beyond disgusting.
The road to hell is paved with cost considerations...
I remember this well just 5 years or so after the Dan air flight from Manchester too to tenerife resulted in the loss of 146 lives.r.i.p all those lost in this tragedy and thsnks for posting this excellent documentary.
Loved the music. Takes me back.
Same here.
It scared me but fascinated me.I was 5.
The pilot turned the aircraft to the right trying to reach the fire service vehicles. However, this put the port engine which was on fire up wind of the fuselage. Why was this not raised at the enquiry?
World in action . For the people
why cant they make proper telly like this anymore
Most documentaries now are about sensationalism and celebrities and not investigative journalism and trashy reality TV is far more popular than sombre, properly made documentaries.
Lowest common denominator
I watch All these old ones. Very informative
There was the bombing of air India 182, delta 191 flew into a microburst in Texas, and days before Japan Airlines 123 lost all hydros and crashed into a mountain. 1985 was not a good year in aviation.
This is the kind of technical incompetence and mismanagement that in the modern age we regularly associate with airlines of 3rd world countries, yet it was prevalent here in the uk less than half a century ago.
Whenever I see the words 'Rolls Royce' written on an aircraft engine that I am about to be flying on, my flight paranoia subceeds immensley.
I hate to burst your bubble but Rolls Royce are not without serious incident themselves, just ask Qantas.
'SUBSIDES'
Ridiculous!
Excellent documentary. Now living in Canada, I miss those docs. I love the beginning intro which declared that they were still awaiting the results of the official investigation, before going on to describe in great detail the design, maintenance and operational failures that led to the appalling tragedy. Excellent work. Thanks for posting.
We all miss those documentaries, - nothing today even approaches the standard of World in Action - and probably never will again.
In the end, the real issue uncovered by the investigation is not the engines, but the cabin design and flammability which was the main cause of the deaths of those on board. The accident led to emergency exit seats with better leg room to give space for evacuation, and cabin fittings that are less flammable and less toxic too. Had these changes been implemented here, there would definitely be way more survivors - maybe even all of them could survive.
I was there that morning working at the airport as a 17 year old in the concourse cafe. We saw the plane going down the runway, with flames. It was very shocking. Couldn’t help but shout “that planes on fire” The smoke was so thick it was very frightening. Very very sad.
This is soooo good😊
The insuciant and lackadaisical culture is due to an industry from plane design to daily operators. There is a tolerated risk factor accepting a certain portion of crashes. Letters from P&L appear to be a liability stop process, passing the problem on to airlines. Engineers and pilots are pressured to keep the money makers in the air. These ain't lawn mowers, pals, where you fiddle with idle adjustment to get the job done. Times have not changed the culture; look at shame-ridden Boeing' s tricks to get their Killer Max on the market. Greed is the god, not passenger safety. The only remedies are massive fines on top of the liability costs for each company involved including the CAB and the FAA, so as to give a higher cost in their risk analysis. In some cases, criminal charges may be necessary.
insouciant
And what about passenger greed?
Day in and day out, passengers demand lower fares, all the while costs rise with inflation. So where do airlines cut cost to eke out a profit? They cut service. They cut training. They cut maintenance. Why those things? Because they can't cut fuel costs & airplane costs, those things are rising all the time.
It all adds up.
Why did people have to die in a major disaster to bring about change for the better?
No charge for apologies?
British Airtours Flight 28M was not the last time that British Airways or it’s subsidiaries would have an engine fire during takeoff. 30 years and 17 days later British Airways flight 2276 had an engine fire during takeoff from Las Vegas Harry Reid International Airport. There are many differences between the two accidents including the causes of the fire; the aircraft type, British Airtours Flight 28M was an Boeing 737-200 and British Airways flight 2276 was an Boeing 777-200 ER; and the fact that everyone survived British Airways flight 2276 with 20 people injured with injuries being mostly minor. Also the amount of damage that flight 2376 sustained being much more minor compared to British Airtours Flight 28M. All of this is in part due to the lessons that have been learned since British Airtours Flight 28M so the 55 deaths are not in vain. However some things are the same including individuals taking their hand luggage (carry on luggage in American English) during the evacuation which was a big no no even in 1985 let alone in 2015. So as you can see this is not the last time that British Airways or it’s subsidiaries would suffer an engine fire during takeoff.
THAT'S how to do a documentary.
I thought the thumbnail was Abraham Lincoln.
Hahaha, it definitely is, hajaha
so true lol
So did I !
I came on holiday from California to England on Aug 3rd 1985. Flying British Airtours from San Francisco to Gatwick. On seeing this accident, I forfitted my ticket and came back with Pan-Am
@MrStig691 On the inbound flight on Aug 3rd 1985. It dropped in a thunderstorm, people screaming. That was enough for me.
You thought PAN AM was safer?! Haha, what a muppet.
@@cplcabs Have too say, they got me back home in comfort. Then next year in 1986, American Airlines started service to Manchester. That's how I traveled from then on.
were you on a package holiday? British Airtours wasnt a scheduled flight operator.
I never knew they done charter flights to the US west coast as well.
At least you had no lack of choice of airlines to get home from the UK to US though Pan Am probably had the worst record of all US airlines who flew to Europe.
Any altitude drop in severe weather is not as likely nowadays but in the 70s/80s technology wasnt as good and weather avoidance and engine power that can help avoid problems with severe bursts of weather was not as reliable.
@@saints16o5o87 It was a charter flight from San Francisco. Stopping at Bangor, Maine, to refuel then on to London, Gatwick. As I remember it was a Lockheed L10 11. Then next year 1986, American Airlines started scheduled service to Manchester. Perfect for me as my family lived in Chester. I would then fly, Sacramento to Chicago. Chicago to Manchester. Thought I had died and gone to heaven. Have been flying this way ever since.
No change in Boeing safety in 2024
The 737 was made primarily for the US domestic market
Proper Tele
5:50 explosive decompression?? Nah mate you've got your BS mixed up, it just explodes.
"Carry on regardless", the British moto. Pity about the collatoral damage. Followed by smoke and mirrors to hide blame.
11:34
The victim solicitor Malcolm Keogh sounds so much like Richard Dawkins it's uncanny. 12:42
If only he had the ability to make them apologize
2:45 😱igno...nim...ignomo...igmmommiously😱
"Ignominiously" - done in a humiliating/shameful manner
now tht we have brexit we can go back to safety standard's but also people can talk more poshley than they did before
Sloppy. Shame on ba
I'm not sure US built aircraft are that safe? I think Airbus may be a better bet.
The 737 NG (the successor of the models in the video, with CFM 56 engines and wings introduced with the NG) have a slightly better safety statistic than the A 320 series, but both models are really safe. The NG was built by Boeing before they merged with MDD, and MDD methods were used to build Boeing planes.
The Max models are of course not part of this safety statistic, they should have never existed in the way they were built.
Simon Maier not really an honest stat. If you take the 737 as a whole and the A320 as a whole. The 320 wins hand down.
If you compare the NG with the NEO, the NEO wins hands down. The 737 only wins if you exclude old 737s but include old A320s.
@@peteconrad2077 I compared the NG generation of the 737 (the majority of the 737s in the western world, most Classics are now in countries in Africa or south America)) with the A 320 CEO (which is one hardware standard).
The NG had 0.09 accidents with loss of lives per 1 million flights, while the A 320 CEO family had 0.11. Of course, the 320 came on market with this hardware standard in 1987, while the NG was introduced in 1997. I also know the issues Airbus had with the FBW at the very beginning, until they made some changes to the software.
The 737 Classic from 1984 on had 0.25, way more than NG and 320.
In both numbers the Max and the Neo aren't included, they are too short on market to offer a honest statistic - the Neo has 0,0, while the one of the Max is disastrous.
However, both aircraft (NG and 320 CEO) are incredible safe, especially when we have a look on accidents like the one of the PIA A 320 not long ago (unbelievable such pilots got a license), or some 737 accidents where pilots landed with strong tailwind in the middle of short runways and couldn't stop before the end. In this cases the aircraft wasn't to blame for anything.
Simon Maier is that even worse. You excluded the NEO which is newer with a better record. So your comparison is even more dishonest and biased. The NG was developed more than a decade after the CEO.
In short, your comparison is completely invalid.
@@peteconrad2077 Sorry, that's not true. It's a comparison between the two competing aircraft generations, generally statistics are calculated for single hardware standards, like the one of the NG and the 320 CEO, not for a mixed period. The Max and the Neo have own safety statistics. Both (NG and 320 CEO) have very good numbers, and only flown with good pilots they would be even better.
I like Airbus, and I prefer Airbus aircraft if I have the choice. But I am no blind fanboy which gloss over statistics.