What Is Soldier's Best Secondary?
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- čas přidán 3. 06. 2024
- Today we will have an extremely serious discussion about Soldier's secondary weapons. My opinion is gospel and always will be.
0:00 - Introductory Rocketology 101
1:09 - Shotgun
2:08 - Gunboats
3:03 - Mantreads
3:45 - Banners
5:12 - B.A.S.E. Jumper
5:58 - Reserve Shooter
6:16 - Righteous Bison
6:56 - Panic Attack
7:45 - host_timescale 20
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#tf2 #teamfortress2 - Hry
Buff banners, telling all they business. Sit in 2fort and be their own star witness
lyrical genius
Do you see the instigator? Yeah he’s right there, fuck around get the whole team losing for years
Yes
Some times I wanna play the flame retardant Scout
Brother
The Righteous Bison has an incredibly broken hidden stat that I never see anybody talk about:
+ if you use the bison for long enough, eventually everyone on the server will switch to it
+ Respect
unless if they are a f2p who hasn't unlocked it yet
this is a self call out post
I just simply dont
Its funny when 1 soldier with the bison kills people
Its funnier when 12 do
It also has a -99% accuracy hidden stat.
And No Killstreak.
Personally I just can never stop using the shotgun. Pyros these days are a lot better than they used to be and it's always funny hitting them with a rocket, watching them backup to reflect the next rocket and then taking out the shotgun to punish them from a range they can't get me from. It is old reliable but if you're like me and still coming to grips with tricky rockets pyros can't reflect then the shotgun is an amazing secondary.
i cannot blame a man for using good ol' reliable
but thats plain annoying
@@elmaxoTF2 I can
@@coatedpikachu8816 you most likely have flares so use them if you’re finding it hard to counter shotgun Soldiers who walked away from you.
Personally, I love pulling out my own shotgun when a Soldier bring theirs because I find it funny to have duel (I dont rec doing this because Soldier have higher health pool than Pyro). Final advice is dont use scorch shot, practice your aim with flares instead
@@dashthatoneviewer a) scorch shog pisses people off and its funny. however mine is still named scorch shit.. b) i dont find it hard, simply a little annoying. i just shoot my scorch shit and sometimes it works, sometimes it doesnt
manntreads are actually sometimes used in competitive highlander to push into swiftwater second by ubering a soldier into red's house, since pyro can't airblast him away
I actually didn't know that, noted!
@@elmaxoTF2 I'd say mantreads is better than anything if you have a pocket med on you as you cant get blasted away easily during übers but yeah you need a medic first
@@sigmapeter2459 if your using your secondary exclusively make an uber push better against pyro, why not just use a shotgun and kill the pyro while ubered?
@@DannyCheezits Because that wastes precious uber time to destroy that wrangled sentry.
Uber time management is important.
You've been blessed
I am not sure if I am the only one who does that, but I really like playing with the rocket jumper, the stock shotgun, and the escape plan. It feels like playing something between Scout and Fat Scout. I call it Rocket Scout.
honestly sounds like it could be a bunch of fun lol
The CTF2W mod actually buffs the RJer to fit this playstyle better - killing someone with another weapon refills its clip.
@@elmaxoTF2 Maybe try it out and tell me how you liked it :)
P.S. If you are good at market gardening, that shovel might be a good alternative, and if there is a point to capture, I generally like using the pain train with jumper weapons.
It’s called pogo scout apparently
Surprisingly effective if you're good at rocket jumping as you get to blow yourself into meatshot range even faster than the scout can, and have fuckoff amounts of health to do it with
There's not much in TF2 that's scarier than the sound of all the banners blowing at once.
When your team has no soldiers.
Then the medic also pops uber
@@giahuynguyenkim6389 no. 2 medics do a stock uber and kritz uber at the same time.
What kind of team doest have a soldier
you forgot to mention the achilles heel of the battalion’s backup, you’re never going to be able to use the banner if you can’t stay alive long enough to charge the 2 quintillion damage you need for it.
..although that might just be a skill issue on my part..
Good video.
it's even worse for the Buff Banner
not only does it lack any sort of sustainability upside, it's outright useless if you don't get the charge
Yeah I only bother with banners in mvm.
Buff banner on dustbowl defence is OP if you have at least One medic and a couple of soldiers or heavy or demo actually able to frag
Yeah get good dude, it's fantastic for pushing on offense.
use direct hit
its all fun and games with the gunboats until you have 1000 hours on soldier and still have absolutely no idea how to use the shotgun.
also i just played you tonight on badwater :)
Nice
Hopcat, I love your videos! You should make a TF2 one for funsies
You should make a tf2 video
I recognised your name, you’ve commented a few times on my videos and I remember you owning me at least once on Badwater lol
What in the name of god are you doing here?
Soliders best secondary is hand grenade, Best primary is patriotism and Best melee is American Fists
Meet the american
Funnily enough, the gunboats would actually be more book accurate to the Wizard of Oz. Dorothy's shoes were actually silver, not red, but because colour film was new they changed it to ruby slippers.
I find that the Panic Attack has very good synergy with the Beggar’s; after firing a volley of rockets you can quick swap to the panic attack for a quick burst of damage faster than you can reload your Beggar’s
Since the Beggars require "time" to reload before shooting, equipping the Panic Attack would help you finish your enemy faster than you would reloading the rocket, this works in situations where choke points are frequent...
IT also helps compensate for the Black Box's lower capacity quite a bit.
There isn't a perfect secondary for soldier, but each one of them are good for a certain situation.
So that why various weapons came out
Unless you're the Bison
@@bonk-tec9381 which is always viable.
wrong. it’s the righteous bison
Yes there is one it's called the stock shotgun
The panic attack has incredible synergy with the direct hit, the quick switch can get you ridiculous damage up close. I've melted through fully overhealed heavies at close range
Tho fuck the direct shit
An underrated use for mantreads. Use them in your normal loadouts to push through a choke with an uber and watch those pyros die of confusion as they spam m2 furiously. It is sometimes used in comp in swiftwater apartments. I remember using it in casual and being called a hacker by a noob pyro
great video just kidding i havent watched it all yet but probably still a great video since it's by you the best tf2ber elmaxo thanks :)
richter overtime
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ok i watched the full video now and i can now confidently say itys a great video as expected thanks :)
Thank you Richter Overtime from popular CZcams channel Richter Overtime.
@@elmaxoTF2 Remember me? I'm the grilled sandwich guy :D
i will GLADLY arrange a version of all of the lights with the buff banner. good idea. mine now
please @ me on twitter or something once you have done it
aight bet
5 months later…
I love using the shotgun with the Soldier because a lot of players wait until you're out of rockets and expect you to be defenseless until you pull up grandpa's boomstick and blast them into oblivion for being stupid, almost no one expect a Soldier to be rocking a shotgun. And yes that does mean I am a Reserve Shooter enthusiast, I love the noise that thing makes, and it will never not be funny to see Soldiers and Demos rocket/sticky jumping away and dying for it because of the funny green shotgun
The reserve shooter is objectively better than the stock shotgun as long as you don't need more than 4 shots, which is the case the vast majority of the time in my experience
finally someone who has sense. smh my head at all these mfs saying reserve shooter is trash
the battalion's backup is always the best sound to hear when that 8000 hour demoman's weapon starts glowing
0:56 I really love the sound effects used in this little intro segment
thank you boss man
@@elmaxoTF2 im honored to be called bossman
Bossman
I just realized I have the reserve shooter equipped. Please don't market garden my family I promise I haven't even used it on soldiers rocket jumping yet
Yet! As in u will?!
@@evee_evvillamar4477 Bossman gaming
I like the reserve shooter because it saves me a rocket when I wanna airshot, good against pyros, short circuit engies , and great against other soldiers
The reserve shooter is a personal favorite of mine.
Shotguns are always usefull (even with 4 bullets) and the mini-crit combo from launching an enemy up are endlessly satisfying to pull off
Mostly agreed but the manntreads are ok if paired with an uber and the direct hit in dustbowl last against those twelve billion sentries beckause it negates cnockback.
elmaxo, how do u not have more subs man. these vids are so good!!
I've recently started using the rocket jumper + shotgun + equalizer since I have shit shotgun aim and it's probably one of the most fun play styles I've tried for soldier
only just realized ive played with you a bunch in game! great vids dude
Would love to see more of these. Good content
I think elmaxo is my favorite youtuber these days. With his hillarious vids and other shenanigans
His content is getting better and better, that's nice to see.
Reserve shooter is a direct upgrade from stock if you're a good shot. Not even for the mini crits; It deploys faster and does the same damage, making it great for finishing off enemies.
ehhh it's about as good. You are worse in longer, scrappier fights, but better in quicker ones.
@@supremecalamitas342 If I'm in a prolonged fight with just my shotgun I think I'm a bit in over my head in a way having the two extra shells won't solve. My playstyle is unusual in that I tend to alternate between Shotguns and Primaries to keep people confused at how much ammo I have left.
@@dickc.normus2406 yes but you said it was a "direct upgrade", for you it might be, but for a ton of other people it probably won't be.
@@supremecalamitas342 the minicrits are really op though. plus they apply to anything that's blast jumping, not just from your own rockets. there's a reason why it's banned in every competitive league and format :P
@@ryvn_ryvn_18 in competitive bonk is OP. In casual (where most people play) it is only as good as the shotgun, and the bonk is just bad.
Nice video elmaxo keep up the good work man :DDD
thanks boss man
Btw can u make a video about the crit o cola?
@@grzgaming2219 April 1 2022
did i just got april fools even tho its not april... Damn
congratulations you are the sole reason i got into MF DOOM last year and now own his entire discography on vinyl :)
Holy shit that is actually so sick to hear!
I like how you segmented even the last 1 sec cut-off piece
For battle and memes: direct hit, B.A.S.E. jumper, and market Gardner or equalizer (or escape plan)
Serious talk, the bison is actually really good, I forget which other youtuber covered it, but they summed it up really well that using it is a skill issue in most cases for actually dealing damage, and while not having a key focus on dealing damage, it's the option best chosen for retreating after running out of rockets in your clip when getting into the heat of things as the projectiles have laggy travel time, so it forces the other person to sit there away from line of sight or run forward and tank the damage, which results in them eating 2-3+ shots fired after the first one.
Or you could just wake up yo realoty and get infinitely more use out of any of the other secondaries with far less effort
I don’t See this mentioned a lot but I really like the music u put in ur videos, especially mf doom I fw it
He uploaded!!
oh and also my favorite secondary with the rocket jumper is the gunboats.
Gunboats + Rocket Jumper is the best combination of weapons in TF2
The gunboats if you don't trust your team, the panic attack if you do
Ok so I'm just noticing the weezer on the back of his soldier model. That's kinda awesome.
Love the intro/lecture thing. Reminded me of martincitopants
I heard that ykw blasters song and I got a wave of nostalgia
4:09 Without even hearing Soldier I can imagine him yelling "Charge!"
High quality videos bro you are a upcoming tf2 youtuber that may be in the tf2 hall of fame for youtubers
thanks boss, I appreciate the kind words
The reason why i use the banners
it makes it so that we don't have to wait till 10 seconds for a pub push
broo love the gunboats
Anybody else noticed the Yokai-Watch Blasters music? Nonetheless, i like that you added it!
Soundsmith and lazy purple teleported into his room when he slandered the bison lol
very cool advice
In the post jungle inferno pub meta the shotgun is absolutely the way to go for most of your playtime. There is guaranteed to be 3+ pyros on each team and the vast majority of them are good enough to press m2 vaguely at the right time to invalidate your entire class if you go without a shotgun.
Man, you're stuck in 2017.
Personally i prefer the Panic atack because the rockets already covers mid-long range, so i choose the shotgun that does more damage at close range, plus it has a fixed spread and since i suck at aiming theres always at least 1 or 2 pellets connecting, which is better than zero which is the case for me often with the stock shotgun
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I shall try to convert as much ppl as possible..
I am very happy to hear this, the Cult welcomes you with open arms!
I love how you for once know what youre talking about while simultaneously sounding less like you know what you're talking about than ever
Heresy to the backup, it is a beautiful sound, and doesn’t soldier strangle his enemies or neck snap them
Dude I'm a sixers fan and did not expect this video to bring THAT shot up.........
i apologise for making you relive the trauma
The gunboats are permanently glued to my soldier's feet because movement is fun (also i die too often to charge a banner (and the shotgun is boring))
5:24 HELL YEAH THE YOKAI WATCH MUSIC
The Gunboats allow for Soldier to use the Market Gardener with a damaging Rocket Launcher. If I could jump I’d like using it tbh
I prefer to use Direct Hit and Reserve Shooter. I'm telling you, combine that with a Kritzkrieg Medic or Buff Banner makes for good clips.
All i really wished was for the gunboats to be actually FUN to use, on one hand they’re an amazing utility tool to help you rocket jump, which i love mobility in the game, but on the other hand it just straight up feels like its a waste of a slot considering you not having a backup gun which is a reasonable trade off
Ma, Ma, look, elmaxo finally posted!
Detector here, amazing video like always.
The only reason I use the shotgun is because I love using it with the rocket jumper, flanking the enemy, dropping out of nowhere, killing a few people and then immediately dying. I call it, the more American scout.
My opinion is that the reserve shooter and panic attack are best. A quick swap to your shotgun allows you to punish players in short range or when you run out of rockets
Personally I believe there is no better dopamine rush as soldier than taking down an air blast god with a strange shotgun tracking “pyros killed”
The banners are easily the best but man, the reserve shooter is fun
Personally I love using the gunboat but on thing I'm sad that u didn't cover is that with the liberty launcher cause the less damage from rocket jumping stacks and then u take like no damage so that's my opinion you can have yours
I use the reserve shooter and the beggars bazooka, my gameplay is stupid asf it's more of "I oh so wish i get someone flying" and someone mysteriously dies after 5 seconds after finishing that sentence.
4:10 *bruh sound effect* is that thom yorke? *The rock vine thud meme clip*
I love how in the intro he uses the classic but never spoke about it
Wake up babe new elmaxo vid just dropped
The Buff Banner and the Battalion's Backup actually produce a different sound depending upon which team you are currently on...Conch is universally the same though...
Now tbh this would be my list
AWESOME: Gunboats, Battalion's Backup, Concheror
Really good: Panick Attack
Good: Reserve Shooter , Shotgun
Meh: Base Jumper
Bad: Mantreads
AWFUL.: Righteous Bison
i use the reserve shooter on plr_hightower and it is like pigeon hunting
Choices of secondary on soldier that may or may not explain what kind of player you are, my take.
Stock shotgun : you're either
A. A new player
B. You hate pyros
C. You appreciate the constant reliable damage on the shotgun
Panic attack : you want to use the shotgun, but you're too cool for stock. That's what you think, you hipster.
Reserve shooter : you're either amazing at aiming rockets or absolutely garbage at aiming rockets. Nowhere in between
Mantreads : you have the Market gardener equipped 10/10. While you may use the regular damaging rocket launcher, you'll try to use the meme spoon at any golden opportunity. Oh yeah and you lift weights and is an absolute Chad IRL.
Gunboats : I've never seen anybody uses the gunboats. Ever. So if you use the gunboats, you're a mystical fairy.
Conch : you're an absolute pussy and trash at the game. Bonus points if you use the blackbox and cherry on top of you use the escape plan along with it.
Buff banner : people who used this for themselves often realise that they're not benefiting much from it and swap to another secondary. So if you're using the buff banner religiously, you're a team player and I'll love you forever.
Battalion's backup : you're using this just for the 20+ HP boost. Admit it. If not, you paired it with the direct miss to deal with sentries. If these two aren't you, then I guess you're a glorified team player? Buff banner soldiers are a bigger team player than you, my friends. It's a fact.
Bison : you're a sad guy. You missed the times when the bison is pretty good meme-wise and you really hoped that valve reworked it back to what it's used to be. I'd hug you if I'm right beside you. Or, you're a CZcamsr collecting clips.
Anything else I missed?
Buff banner and battalions backup horn changes based on which team you're on
Stock shotgun will always be old reliable.
I definitely just don't use it so I can keep killing after my Black Box is out of ammo. Melee is Escape Plan, I call it "Winglet Soldier"
Also late to the party but whatever
7:01 Ladies and gentlemen, we got him.
You have slandered the shotgun and battalions backup trumpet noise which i find my absolute favorite noise due to how uplifting and triumphant it sounds so i will slander the gunboats by calling it a crutch for rocket jumping happy soldiers because someone said it was
4:00 hey elmaxo you seemed to ha-
KILL
the based jumper is actually usefull to cancel all the fall damage when rocketjumping
Gunboats, Liberty Launcher, Market Gardener.
*Agressive Trolldier*
4:33 *Mando’s theme starts playing*
You saying shotgun is boring is offensive to soldier tf2, he would go for the most American secondary, and you called it boring
The mantreads are good on upward cuz it saves you from airblasting pyros.
I switched to the panic attack because the bison is worse with a Cow Mangler, which, other than the original and stock rocket launchers, is the only rocket launcher I have. I need to destroy sentries somehow.
Its not about the clips Elmaxo, its about sending you back to the respawn room
6:19 that theme on that part i know it but cant seem to place my finger on what the name for it is
also lol
5:58, I use the Reserve Shooter on Pyro.
2:22 a, yes, a man of culture i see
As a Heavy main, watching that beginning where you pretend all of Soldier's primaries were similar made me feel like Mr. Krabs in that "here lies Squidward's hopes and dreams" meme.
Stock rocket to Panic Attack combo forever!
@2:23 Daaaamn Maxo as a Sixers fan I thought a TF2 video was a safe place to not be reminded of the most miserable night of my life but somehow you managed it!!! All sarcasm hahaha just so cool to see how global basketball really is!!
very excited for the air strike video
2:00 dude my server clearing strange killstreak festivized nutcracker Mk. II scattergun, (that was a mouthful) Is also promptly named, Ol’ Reliable
You said shotgun was boring, but have you ever tried the flying buff scout. Both fun, hilarious, and slightly viable.
The Reserve Shooter is so fucking hot. I sometimes hit mini crits on players before they even leave the ground from the blast of my rocket.
Also yeah it deals well with those annoying rocket jumping soldiers.
That kawhi reference was crazy
This video made me feel like my main Soldier loadout of Air Strike, Gunboats*, and Equalizer is considered bad for some reason
*The stock shotgun is my favourite weapon in the game, but when I want to kill with shotgun I play Pyro.
I'm so glad Elmaxo stopped playing League of Legends and made this
me too, that game is horrible!