Theory FIGHTS VADER in Jedi: Survivor REACTION
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Vader doesn't have a health bar, he has a patience meter
Yes very true
Super comment
As it should be
😂😂😂😂😂😂😅😅😅 ssssooo true
Facts
"It is delusional to think your actions have had any consequence" has gotta be one of my new favorite Vader lines. It's so dismissive and also a little Anakin's angsty nature comes through.
Yeah dude I got chills on that one big time
I mean Vader does have a point though with that line too because it was really only a minor setback that he was able to patch up. It wasn't like they took down the whole base or anything lmao, this does show Cere being overconfident too which is something Vader took advantage of.
I can hear Hayden saying this line
It’s up there with “Funerals.”
Now I'm just imagining Obi-Wan's response to that line: "Every action has consequences. You would know that better than anyone."
I absolutely love how they portray Vader in this series. Vader is toying with Cere only using his one-handed fighting style until she buries him in fire then he swaps to his two-handed style no longer holding back.
Obi wan was just toying with Anakin when they fought on mustafar, he finally decided to get serious and told anaking he had the high ground play time was over.
@@TruculentRuminavi 😭
@@TruculentRuminavi No, why on earth would he be toying with him in that situation? That literally makes zero sense.
@@TruculentRuminavi Obi wan was fighting for his life on mustafar, he lasted that long because he had great defense and knew all Anakin's moves who would eventually won that fight but couldn't control his ego and emotions, that was his downfall, It is stated many times he was more powerful than anyone else cmon now
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The joke
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Your head
For those he didnt get it, the quick transition when cal shows up is him sensing her dead body with his ability, seeing everything we played through. In her last moments she seems to be able to connect with him and see him "in the future" or whatever way you want to put it, and seems to see trilla before dying. But Cal doesn't immediately show up after the fight if you were confused.
She probably sensed him like how Dagan did with Cal in his Force vision.
I'm confused why vader didnt come back and kill cal
@@Mr.Knight52 Look at the state of Vader after that fight 😂 bro was done for the day and went back to nap in his bacta tank
@@Mr.Knight52 cal arrived way after Vader left
@@imissedthepartwherethatsmy8088 nah cal was ina state of depression he could have easily cut him down
There may have been no chance of winning, but at least Cere wasn't a push-over. She gave Vader more of a fight than he was expecting, and it shows.
and honestly, I love seeing vader almost bested in combat, he was never the best saber duelist in the first place so seeing capable duelists almost beat him is a reminder he's still just an egotistical, broken child underneath that scary persona
And rightfully. It’s clear how powerful Cere has become while she’s engrossed herself in the force these past few years building the archives
It's clear she has a true motivation to fight too, she knows that cal, marrin, greez,BD, the archives and the hidden path are all at stake so she is very focused. She also said she was preparing so she most likely trained and this was personal because of what he did to her and trilla
@@IssDiddy wdym he was never the best duelist? As Anakin? Agreed. As Vader he trained to be among the best and I would certainly rank him in that category. Only people who could truthfully and probably beat him based on what we've seen is Palpatine, Kenobi, maybe Yoda, and Luke (who only really won in Return of the Jedi due to the technicality that Vader was conflicted about fighting his son and thus not fully steeped in the Dark Side.)
@TheRebelOfChaos that last one about Luke doesn't make sense cause Luke was conflicted about not wanting to kill his father. So a little dipped in good vader vs a little dipped in dark Luke.
“Come on Vadey, kill her” 😂 top 5 Theory quotes of all time
Gee, thanks I didn’t think she was so expendable to you or anyone else Theory😒.
Cere dies and Cal is holding her and weeping while Theory says, “Yes, finally, we can move on, I didn’t really like that ending for Vader though” had me cracking up.😂 These streams were a blast! Filled with fun and laughs. Rick The Door Technician was a legend!🤣
@@darthdracul8372what are you crying about 🙄?
@@AverageJoe483 👿
I’m not watch your tongue.
@@darthdracul8372 He’s been a massive fan of Vader since he was a kid, Cere was introduced in fallen order, it’s completely normal for him to be more excited about Vader than Cere, not mentioning he’s one of the most iconic villain of all time.
Also we knew Vader was going to kill her since, shocker, he is not dead in the movies, so yeah we were just waiting to see how Cere dies. Doesn’t mean he dislikes Cere, tbh I couldn’t think of a more badass way for her to go, but yeah.
The fact that Darth Vader came to Jedah shows how he has controlled his distaste of the sand
It makes me laugh that people think Vader is just this invulnerable being. The entire point of his character is that he's relentless.
The entire point of his character is that he's the chosen one you idiot, he shouldn't be beaten so bad by some random jedi master. He's stated to be like 80% Palpatine's power.
Honestly she go too far against him
Again he did not fight her seriously until she dropped debris on him.
@@salmonslammin1395That just proves how incredibly strong Cere is. She’s an absolute beast in terms of strength
@@salmonslammin1395 He definitely is. All I’m saying is that Cere shouldn’t be slept on
Im surprised Theory didnt like this fight. I thought it was satisfying to see Cere put up a fight after getting ragdolled by Vader in the first game. Shows her evolution. She wasnt scared even though she knows she is outmatched
No its bullshit. Don't care she wasnt scared she is no match for Vader
I can excuse Vader getting damaged because it’s a video game and the fight has to follow along with the gameplay.
@@thegoat2959 exactly. Gotta compromise for gameplay.
@@thegoat2959 Fr
@@thegoat2959 Fight and and "do damage" for the sake of gameplay, sure, but for him to be *so* fucked up in the cutscene is kinda eyerolling. Cere shouldn't have gotten that close to beating him.
I don't think this duel made Vader look weak. The opposite in fact. If Vader just instantly killed Cere I would have just assumed that she was still weak and would not have proved Vader's strength. Instead they showed Cere had fully immersed herself in the force while hiding, becoming a master and spending years preparing for this specific fight. In this scene we saw Vader fight a very powerful Jedi Master and WIN. To me this actually shows how strong he was becoming. I'd honestly be disappointed if a Jedi Master didn't put up a good fight.
That's how much of a baby Star Wars theory is. Vader took realistic damage in the fight. Hopefully it's not cuz she's a woman.
I think the reason Vader struggled against Cere was because she caught him off guard. Remember last time they met? He threw her behind him like a ragdoll. He was playing with her and messing with her this time and didn’t expect her to be as powerful as she was. By the time he started trying his suit had already sustained some pretty serious damage.
TLDR; Vader fucked about and found out the hard way
She was determined, focused, and had no conflict this time, and no one else to worry about. Just her and Vader. I don't think she actually stood a chance, but Vader played with his food too much here.
Classic case of Vader underestimating and cere has actually been preparing for him since she first saw him. And he noted that when they met but it still wasn't enough but commendable fighting on Ceres part she left Vader with something to remember her
@@TheHyphen Vader wasn’t underestimating out of cockiness 🤦♂️ it’s more he was showing respect by not instantly killing her plus he wants to see if she’ll break or die braver than most
@@HTBsnowgoon No it's definitely not arrogance he wants a challenge.
@@TheHyphen Vader isn't one for a challenge. He likes beating everyone.(pause) It's literally in his personality to think he's so far above everyone in combat. That's why he lost to Obi-Wan. Anakin is cocky and always has been
I really hope we get a Vader game someday, where you play as Vader himself and just decimate everything in your path, would be so sick
That’s the beginning of Force Unleashed
@@transformerdude4251 True, want a full game of that though
@@transformerdude4251 he said he wants a full game not the start of one game dummy
@@Jnigo Chill lmao
would that be a game tho LOL if you are that powerful I doubt u could make a full game like that
People forget that Cere is a jedi master who has access to and tamed to the point where she had control over the dark side of the force within her. Which is probably what caught Vader off guard nonetheless she was still no match.
and has spent the last few years getting more connected with the force in her project than anyone did in the previous generation
There is no controlling the dark side of the force tho, that's grey jedi bullshit. She overcame the dark side, she learned from the first game, hence her saying she let go of her fear. She was not using the dark side in this fight.
@@anthonygarcia8749 Having control of your anger and fear literally *is* controlling the dark side as these emotions are connected to it.
@@Morten_Storvik no, that's overcoming the dark side, there's a difference. Controlling it implies harnessing and using it, when it's not the case
@@anthonygarcia8749 you can overcome and abandon it or have control over it rather than having it control over you it's been stated and shown in both continuities.
For those upset that Cere put up a good fight here’s my best explanation for this.
1. Let’s drop the whole “Vader is invincible” He isn’t. The main reason Vader overpowers his opponent is because they already fear him, fear of losing something or someone which he exploits and dominates those who faces him. That and because he’s an expert duelist and very powerful in the Force.
2. Cere is a literal Jedi Master who’s not some cannon fodder, but an experienced Jedi.
3. A Jedi with no fear is (In my opinion) the most dangerous thing to a Sith. This is b/c letting go of fear allows a Jedi to fully concentrate and let themselves follow the will of the force, making them more powerful as a result which is what Cere did. That is why fear is the Jedi’s worse enemy b/c it hinders and distracts them.
Reminds me of that Kanan vs. Grand Inquisitor duel, also Obi Wan vs. Vader back in Kenobi.
No ur dumb, Vader has killed countless Jedi masters in hiding after order 66 like they're nothing but cannon fodder. Cere is really no different. Vader is said to be 80% Palpatine's level, Cere should not be giving him this much of a fight. Thats bulls hit, I'm sorry
Finally someone who understands. Even in vaders comics he struggles against fully trained jedi master who are not fodder
Vader "overpowers" his opponents because he's more powerful than they are, and a much better strategist. It's pretty simple. Fear plays a part, but even if they don't fear him, they still don't have a chance.
You have a better understanding of the narrative of starwars and the empire then this dude who makes it his job lmao
I personally loved this sequence. Cere represents what the Jedi should be at this point in her life. She even says so “I’ve let go of my fear”. The republic and the order fell because the Jedi had become so self absorbed, but here we see Cere rising above the order of the past.
On top of that, Vader underestimates her. He swatted her away like a fly the last time they met. She stands her ground against him this time because she let go of the hatred she had against him for killing Trilla, further showing her character and power growth.
Vader becomes visibly more aggressive throughout the fight as he realises he has a real opponent this time. We all knew he was going to ultimately win, but to say Cere stands no chance just doesn’t give her justice.
And a side note, it genuinely nearly brought me to tears when I realised that whole Cere section of the game was Cal reliving her death through his force psychometry. It was absolutely heartbreaking
Anybody saying she stood no chance should see how vader picks himself up and limps away, yes he won, but that is not the way someone leaves a duel who had no worries. That man was limping, panting, and just glad to be done with the fight. Normally when he kills any number of jedi he always gloats or showboats. This time bro was just like okay back to my bacta tank this shit STINGS.
No the jedi didn't fall because they were self absorbed. You clearly didn't understand the movies. And you're taking this view from Filoni's nonsense TCW
That last part, wow😢
@@anthonygarcia8749how did they fall? I always assumed it was because they were arrogant and self absorbed. There was a sith right in front of them and they couldn’t see it. The scene where Yoda and Mace talk about the rule of two in the Phantom Menace shows this. (The camera pans over to Palpatine). But what is your opinion?
@@cpthighground59 bro disrespected the Clones wars, some of the best Star Wars media we’ve been blessed with. Something the prequels wished they could be. But even in the prequels, it’s obvious how diluted the Jedi became. Absorbed in politics and war, allowing a Sith Lord to take control over the senate, all while having no idea. Not even being able to sense it. Also George is a huge fan and supporter of the clone wars, meaning this is what he believes the cannon to be. This guy is some strange dude stuck on the movies, bad movies.
Kinda funny how bro complains about a seasoned Jedi master, who pry spent at least 5 years training to fight him specifically, giving Vader a good fight and almost defeating him. And yet, when Starkiller, a 17 year old, completely ragdolls Vader with mid effort he has absolutely zero complaints.
The ps2 is a way better version of the game tho and frames the fight more so evenly imo. But yeah I agree lol, I do think they should've framed the ending of the fight differently as not to have him win through like the skin of his teeth lucky shot kinda thing.
@@anthonygarcia8749 100% agree. At least in the second game it is made entirely clear that Starkiller won by the skin of his teeth like you said. But yeah it always bugs me how he can just throw around Vader then keep up with Palpatine with seemingly mid difficulty
@@yourfatherwhowenttogetmilk7201 oh I meant Vader winning through the skin of his teeth lucky shot with Cere lol. Like I love the fact in fallen order you got the chance to gace him as a Padawan rurned Jedi Knight only recently at that point and there's just no way you can win so block and escape is literally your only option lol and I suspect that the devs had you duel against Vader here to give you a contrast and be able to duel him as an expierence jedi master who learned from the first game, was actually prepared for Vader arriving and the potiental in facing him off in a duel properly as well as letting go of her fear, had she gave in to the dark side as in the first game, Vader would've easily won this fight without much effort because he would've easily swatted her aside as last time and/or goaded, baited her out, manipulated the fight to his advantage and kill her with like 2 swift strokes, but she didn't and it makes sense that she would put up a fight this time and she had the environment as an advantage in flames and falling debris to mamage to trap Vader with, but Vader also had that as well lol. But yeah I do believe that the ending could've been in a more calculated move where Vader had undersestimated her initially and wasn't really taking her too seriously and had sustained some damage, so he puts 2 hands on his saber and his attacks got even faster and stronger, and then maneuver her in a way where she thinks she has the upper hand, then close in the gap and best her by the end with cunning and finesse. I do think it's funny how people are gaslighting themselves into thinking that Vader just went out all easily and that was that when he was pretty much dominating most of the duel, while Cere was just trying to hold her own as best she can and find a way to defeat him once and for all. But yeah in the ps2 force unleashed 1 it does make the duel seem more of a struggle, like you're not just fucking murking Vader in this ridiculous over the top fashion, same thing with Palpatine. Honestly the 360 version is trash and overrated, people got too caught up in gRaPhiCs lol, but it's gameplay is trash. It's wayy more fun, better and more satisfying on the ps2. And the 360 version doesn't feel like a star wars game, it just feels like a pseudo god of war/superhero game since gow was very popular at that point not to mention as I said the ridiculous over the top cutscenes especially during the Vader and Palpatine duels lmao, it's hilariously bad.
Oh and I love the game on ds as well lol, very underrated and enjoyable imo.
@@anthonygarcia8749 Yeah you make a lot of good points. It definitely is a complex area of writing, Vader should be extremally powerful, but not on a godlike level. I personally find it alright that some people can give him a good fight like Cere. But obviously nobody in the entire galaxy besides Palpatine should be able to curb stomp Vader. It's just so interesting to me how if Starkiller can beat up Vader, no one considers it a big deal, but if someone else almost defeats Vader, everyone freaks out about it
@@yourfatherwhowenttogetmilk7201 Well the reasoning for why Starkiller won against Vader was because Vader purposefully threw the fight. This was gonna be revealed in the 3rd force unleashed after Vader curbstomps Starkiller but the game was canceled so.
Jesus Christ someone can't appreciate an emotional moment
SWT: "I don't wanna fight Vader, he's my boy."
Vader, probably: "Then you will die braver than most."
I honestly think this is one of Vader’s better portrayed duels (outside of the movies) because the only reason he takes any damage isn’t because he was over powered or out dueled but bc for a split second he underestimated a master Jedi, and it shows Cere’s genius as she lured him to a trap which she only had milliseconds at best to think of and spring, then Vader emerges from the fire with some new found respect for Cere (which is shown in how he doesn’t taunt or belittle her after the duel is over) he’s also a little shaken up which Cere tries to take advantage of and she is almost able to do so but Vader being the smarter duelist manages to actually use that upper hand she has to his own advantage as it prompts her into going on a full offensive as she believes it’s her only chance at striking him, this leaves her defenseless and Vader capitalizes on the opportunity, delivering a final blow
Very well put
Also, it's not like his suit can't be damaged, that it's one of his weakness.
Shut up jack
I think seeing Vader walk off at the end tired from fighting shows how he’s still “human” and is even MORE chilling to me. This is just one man. And he’s THIS evil and THIS full of hatred, the fact it’s achievable to be so nearly perfectly Sith is a miracle, and yet he’s not even truly Sith. We get a little glimpse of the Anakin deep inside him walking away from a battle like old times, yet he is absolutely not Anakin here. Maybe it’s scratching too deep for headcanon, but I like to think the nuance is there
Lol at Theory the Vader groupie about to have a meltdown when he thought Cere stabbed him. “WHAT!!?”
Vader would have destroyed her in 2 seconds realistically
@@alexlangmaid3203 I mean if he wanted to just grab her an snap her neck yeha but what’s the say she can’t do the same ? Huh or any Jedi why ? Bec the plot now get over it cere is definitely strong asf baby
@@airyshark324 Mate there’s levels to any Jedi getting force chocked they have a force barrier was shown in the comics. Vader has easily beaten Jedi and warriors far stronger then Cere he’s even beaten Palpatines monster guarding exegol, like I said Vader would have beaten her in minutes
@@alexlangmaid3203
”realistically”
We’re talking about fictitious characters here. If the writer wanted it, Jar Jar could beat Vader.
@@alexlangmaid3203 Vader is younger here and has given herself over to the force, I don’t think Vader could smite her here like he could have in his later years.
*Vader ignites saber*
Me: "Can I, like, borrow a nuke from somebody?"
When vader uses the force to grab the nuke and throw it onto you(or somewhere else idk)…😂😂😂
When Cere says "I've let go of my fear" I believe that means she was one with the force during this fight, similar to Kanan Jarus fight with grand inquisitor, which is why she was able to hold her own against vader.
I don't think it's that. Look at how Vader's moveset evolves through the fight - he wasn't taking her seriously for the first two stages, he was playing with his food. It's all slow lumbering strikes, but once she damages his armour he realizes she's stronger than he thought and actually puts effort in, so his moves get much quicker and harder to parry, with way more unlockables. But of course by that point his armour was damaged so he couldn't just smite her.
@@SarcyBoi41 ah classic vader headcanon. Vader doesnt pkay with his food. He never does in the comics bc it is his job to kill every jedi left not play with his food and risk loosing. Thats the difference between suited vader vs mustafar vader. Stop with the cringe headcanon HE IS HOLDING BACK.
@@curiouspanda873 bruh, look at how his moveset changes as he realises he underestimated Cere. I'm not headcanoning anything, it's evident from what we're looking at. He might have had different reasons though, maybe he was hoping if he kept her alive long enough to talk and let her get overconfident she might reveal more about the Hidden Path.
But it doesn't really matter. At the end of the day, Cere is a fully fledged Jedi Master likely even more powerful than Obi-Wan based on how she tore apart the Imperial infantry. She must be one of the only remaining Jedi who can give him something of a challenge.
@Tom S didn't he do this in Kenobi show? He uses one hand to play with him since he's been rusty then at the final episode he started using 2 hands as soon as kenobi began to regain his skills?
@@SarcyBoi41ell recall then end of the fight when he got serious. Though he won , after getting serious he still (literally) got pushed to his back foot.
He toyed but she was still strong enough to fight with him and lose at his best. She had to be one with the force.
She’s a full blown Jedi master fully reconnected with the force and Theory’s crying because she was able to put up a fight against Vader, honestly don’t know how much more of this guy i can tolerate, crying at everything
Disney fans always pulling dumb shit outta their ass
Theory makes good stuff and I genuinly think hes a good dude but the one thing I dislike is how much he fanboys ovr Vader and also insists everything starwars needs to have jedi/sith
@@CojaGamez i agree, i like him for his knowledge of the lore and the content he makes is informative. But the amount he cries when Vader or anything happens that didnt live up to his fan fictions in his head is just insufferable to listen to
@@krooney6250 Yeah I agree. He often has said he doesnt like star wars stuff that doesnt involve jedi/sith stuff and uses that as a critisism, or wants Luke/Vader to be shoehorned into everything. I dont want to come across as harsh because I think he is geneuinly a nice dude but it just makes some of his stuff hard to watch
@@CojaGamez I mean Vader IS like at least 60% of why Star Wars is even any good to begin with and why people stuck with it, because he's such a well developed and likeable villain and anything he appears in immediately raises the stakes, so I get the fanboying. However, everything needing Jedi or Sith? That's actually been my complaint with Canon/Disney SW since Force Awakens. We need to get out of this Republic - Empire era with Anakin and Luke and move to other eras with other characters and not necessarily have Jedi or Sith involved (even as plot devices). But Disney knows that will never make them money because people love the Jedi and Sith so much (hard to blame them, but still.).
It’s funny that people think Vader can’t be damaged, if you read new or old legend comics Vader always wins but 1 out of 3 Jedi manages to hurt him
Fr everyone out here like "oh this fights trash cause she nearly killed him" like bruh yes vader is op but she's also a jedi master who can deal some serious damage. People be sucking vaders cock to hard
But almost die? I didn't like this but the fight was very good. The soundtrack in this fight man, another level. I liked the fight but not too much the end of it.
This... If he didn't have his armor he'd have taken far more damage. Part of what makes him so damn unkillable is his armor.... sure it slows him down to all hell but that doesn't matter when he can Force Grip you at will.
@@victormentz3061 he didnt almost die even if he got stabbed why would that stop darth at all. He would just slam her around at that point full anger mode she used up all her strength he stumbled because it was finished he didnt have to use more energy
@@victormentz3061bruh if ahsoka, obi wan and Luke can almost beat bader then why can't cere who logically should have just as much force knowledge as the others?
People would rather see Vader portrayed as a god rather than have people that are the highest form of Jedi compete with him….. I truly don’t understand why.
Exactly
I think people see Vader as Itachi somehow, but it's because of the way that the games, comics, movies portrayed him, but i hate to say it, both are overrated.
If you knew Vader entire story...he catch L's every now and then
Him being within reach of standard jedi masters is just wrong though.
He's awesome and likeable partly because he's an untouchable force of nature who can only be stopped by other legends of star wars.
Characters like those should be in their own league, both to make them stand out, be more important, and in vaders case, sell the character as what they're supposed to be portrayed as.
Vader isn't a jedi killer. He's hardly considerable as a hunter almost either. It's more fitting to call him the jedi genoicder. Jedi hunter is more of a inquisitor title.
Vader being untouchable is one of his biggest appeals
@@trevorveillette8415 I wouldnt call her a standard master though. She survived order 66, fought vader and lost but survived nearly being consumed by the dark side but overcoming it, spent 5 years on a planet strong with the force preparing for the eventuality of his arrival, and has since overcome her fear and anger for vader. Couldn't say the same about plenty of jedi, even some members of the council during the prequels. And besides even after all of Cere's experience and growth, vader still won anyway. If anything that makes Vader seem more powerful, defeating a jedi that had no fear.
I dont see the need for some kind of club, and whats so wrong with adding characters to these "legends"?
@@trevorveillette8415 you want a boring Vader
The fanboying for Vader is crazy
I want a Star Wars game where you play as Vader. All you do is hunt Jedi the entire game .
If you like Jedi: Fallen Order and Survivor, but you want a more darksided experience Id recommend Force Unleashed. Hunting Jedi is pretty much what Galen Marek does for Vader.
lol and the final fight is you vs adult cal Keshis and the dude from force unleashed 😂😂
Force Unleashed
Oh you mean force unleashed with Starkiller
He's such a vader fan boy that he can't accept how strong Cere is
Theroy cant stand that there are people out there can can actually have a fight with Vader, “we all know Vader would kill her in 2 seconds” he just doesnt like cere as a character and cant accept that she is a strong jedi, but it doesnt matter vader still killed her and walked away
I don’t like how theory looks at Vader as this invulnerable being I really liked how cere pushed Vader quite a bit yes we knew she was going to loose but this wasn’t an easy fight for him
I know right. I understand that Darth Vader is a great force but cere put up quite a fight
Because honestly.. Cere wouldn’t have stood a chance.
honestly didn't expect Vader to show up. thought he be doing something else at this point timeline wise
Timeline wise I believe this is a few months after his encounter with kinobi from the kinobi series.
@@Theemptythroneistakenbro got beat up twice in one year 😭
@@nicholasmccartney2521 das crazy
@nicholasmccartney2521 at least he actually beat cere. People are complaining that cere came this close to beating vader but nobody bats an eye when obi wan actually beats him.
@@ggamesgarner8027Especially when Obi-Wan barely fought storm troopers in the prior episodes 💀 i LOVE LOVE VADER but these D-riders are grossing me out
Watches epic moment watching Cal break down, goes "FINALLY WE CAN MOVE ON" 🤣
Kinda ground my teeth when he said that. XD I thought Cameron's acting was incredible there.
"Finally, we can move on"? Man, I was captivated the entire time. It's a pity it didn't grab him the same way.
People forget that Cere was a Jedi master lmao
Not only a jedi master, but one who wss in control of her fear. Those jedi are the biggest threat to the sith
Surprised he didn’t cry like a child when Vader showed up
If he hates this ending for vader he must have dispised his ending in force unleashed.
with how many people have been surviving stab wounds from lightsabers recently im surprised she actually died
Bro really said “W’s in the chat” seconds after Cere died lol
Cere dies and Cal is holding her and weeping while Theory says, “Yes, finally, we can move on, I didn’t really like that ending for Vader though” had me cracking up.😂 These streams were a blast! Filled with fun and laughs. Rick The Door Technician was a legend!🤣 Looking forward to the Visions Watch Party tonight!😁
I mean it took him an hour so i get hes happy to get it over with haha
So funny how Theory was about to cry in a pair of moments because his favorite action figure was enduring some difficulties.
Ikr, this is like the whole “goku solos” shit all over again
I still can’t believe Debra Wilson from MADtv is a bad-ass Jedi warrior
Yeah it isn’t believable.
@@AverageJoe483 I disagree
Ikora straight up ballin, until she wasn’t…
She's also a US Marines General in Call Of duty Modern Warfare
theory come on its a game vader can't be OP all the time and i thought it was still good that he won at the end decent fight imo
Dark souls genre leaves chat*
yeh sometimes he gets extremely mad or something if vader gets touched even a little,like chill bro he still killed her lol
It's hard to write fights like this in video games, and also do the source material justice. Like Vader is one of the most powerful beings in the universe, but it's a game, and hes the enemy, so they gotta nerf him to a degree which is understandable. I still prefer how he was in Fallen Order, and you just run from him.
@@TopazBeast its not even that most of his fights he gets fucked up but still wins
@@TopazBeast he might have been nerfed, but you are just ignoring the fact that vader has almost died several times in canon before this. and cere isnt just some scrub, she is a jedi master who has been devoting her life to the force for the last 5 - 6 years. we all knew vader was gonna eventually win, but seeing him struggle shouldnt be a shock or be considered bad writing
People forget that this is a video game. For all intents and purposes, we can basically say this fight lasted 15 seconds in-canon. Cere dodged a few attacks, then tried to bury Vader under the archives, Vader gets up and he kills her shortly after. It’s only drawn out because it’s a video game and they wanted to let us fight Vader since we didn’t get a proper boss fight in the last game.
We could also say that it was drawn out canonically just as it was in the game. You act like Cere beat him lol. The blow to the collective ego of Vader fans is kind of funny when, in the end, he still won the duel. You guys gotta get over yourselves.
@@Clown_Syndrome I agree because honestly, we don’t know how powerful Cere was. Obi wan lost his connection to the force after Revenge of the Sith, but in Kenobi he quickly regained his power and defeated Vader again. Who’s to say Cere (who had way more time to regain her strength) wasn’t a very powerful Jedi in her prime? Vader had many formidable opponents. Obi Wan (twice), Ahsoka, Galen, and Luke to name a few. Some may argue that it’s different because those characters are emotionally connected to him in some way, but the whole idea is that Vader and Anakin are separate characters in the same person. I don’t think it’s sacrilege anytime Vader struggles to best his opponent. The main thing is that he won, which let’s be honest, who expected him to lose? Also, people forget that this fight takes place in the middle of the Jedi archives which could be interfering with his dark side energy or something (idk).
@@KTLaughter fully expected Cere to die lol. But I was pleasantly surprised by the fight.
@@KTLaughter I mean I agree in principle, but just one small correction. Vader and Anakin ARE separate characters, or at least he tries to be, but when he is around people and places that remind him of his past, Anakin comes out, which weakens his link to the Dark Side temporarily. At least in the first 5-10 years of his time as Vader. After that this tactic really doesn't work on him anymore other than with Luke, who's a special exception because...well...he's his son...who he's thought was dead all these years.
Once again, Theory doesn’t understand Vader’s character. If he feels the challenge isn’t worth it, Vader holds back significantly, which does sometimes end up in taking damage.
You would think that he’d know that due to how much he rides Vader.
@@J.Mayren666 Ikr
Agreed. Also, Vader himself showed up. That is the big hint she is a proper warrior. If she wasn’t worth it, he’d send an inquisitor to do the job, they fight the scraps and weaklings. Vader only personally arrives to hunt the big game, the masters and fighters. If he sent an inquisitor here, the invasion would’ve been for nothing because she would absolutely body a standard inquisitor.
@@chazo1367 Wrong. Vader has showed up personally to deal with things before that he doesn't actually care about but needs to under the Emperor's orders. In the 2017 comics AND Fallen Order.
@@alexdeghost2729 okay but the emperor didn’t order him here. He was given a tip by Bode through a stormtrooper. And so he deemed it important enough to turn up personally.
Honestly, this is how I think a serious fight between Vader and a fully trained Jedi knight _should_ go. He's powerful and very skilled, yes, but I don't like it when they present him as some unbeatable super being. What made him truly dangerous was having the backing of the entire Empire. A decent Jedi is still an opponent he has to take seriously - that's why they all had to go.
Finally someone with sense and a non D-rider
Do you have any idea what vader did to jedi knights and masters alike after order 66? He killed them like fodder, he was THE jedi killer. Cere should not have been a problem for him, he's the chosen one.
A knight shouldnt have any chance against Vader, hell even Jedi Masters like Luminara, Gallia and others on their level shouldnt beat Vader. It should be those like Mace, Yoda, Obi Wan. Cere is more on the lower end of Jedi Master.
@@tyroneanderson5619 it's because he had no limbs and everytime a force user loses a limb, they lose midi-chlorians/ a bit of force
@@Asiandiskool Yet Vader lost to Luke who only trained for a year and beat him using the dark side. If Luke beat him it means he either used the dark side which is what Cere is notorious for doing to in, or it means Luke won solely because he's Vader's son and has powerful blood which is honestly still lazy writing.
I don’t think Vader was too nerfed in this fight. Cere is an experienced Jedi Master who has let go of her fear as she stated. This makes her a match for Vader. I think it’s kinda dumb how people think Vader is some immortal god who can’t be touched. While I do agree that Cere was outmatched in this fight and that Vader definitely was holding back for a while, I like how Vader actually gets pretty hurt because even though he is the Chosen One and a powerful Sith Lord, he’s still a human who can be hurt. Those are just my thoughts.
Imagine getting stabbed in the stomach just once and dying, Reva could never
"Revenge does wonders for the will to live, don't you agree?"
Yes man, I thought this too! Kenobi show is such a disappointment!
I love how Cal is using his unique force connection to sense what happened to Cere
It makes me laugh when people think Vader is supposed to be invincible, we literally see Obi-Wan beat his ass twice solo. He's not some God, he's just a sith lord with a lot of power and skill.
Half expected him to call for his mom when he was raging
Man 10 years post ROTS was a rough year for Vader lol
Very puzzled how this fight is considered lame what did he want? Vader to just kill her in one hit and move on?
I mean its accurate
Yes that's what we all wanted
Fr. Vader is OP, but Theory constantly wants to see him be Force Unleashed Starkiller or something. He's just not. He's strong, and so are Jedi Masters. And He doesn't like to try.
@@machineferret3359 it’d make no sense for that to happen since Vader showing up himself means she is an actual powerful threat.
Plus she is a Jedi master who has had 5 years to hone herself and was actually prepared and waiting for him, no fear. Vader loses an advantage when his opponent doesn’t fear him.
@@machineferret3359 whose we? yall r very boring and just vader fan boys and gets toxic when vader gets touched even a little lol
I got hyped and got chills seeing vader again he’s one of my favorite characters and actually being able to fight him properly was amazing also that music
Theory literally sounding like The Senate at 1:26.
What a boss Cere was. If it wasn't for Vader's plot armour. At the end of the day, she was the hero who almost beat him and he will be forever known throughout all the galaxy as a genocidal terrorist.
This is a prime example of being a Vader meat rider everyone ☝️
Bruh he’s just excited to see a character he has been a massive fan of since he was a kid, who also happens to be one of the most iconic characters in movie history. Why are people mad that he was excited about seing Vader kill Cere? She’s a likeable character and all but she’s far from iconic in Star Wars, especially next to Vader. So excitement wise that explains it.
If you mean that he meat rides him powerscaling wise well not really, look how much she got destroyed in the last game, yeah she had a few years of training in between, but not nearly enough to scale her to the likes of Vader, sidious or Yoda. She put up a good fight and had him to take her seriously unlike last time.
Plus we all knew she was going to die and he was going to win, because that’s the only way it could happen caconically. So when having all these things put together, it’s completely normal for theory to be more excited about Vader than Cere, we all knew he was going to win and judging by his portrayal in fallen order, expected him to mop the floor with her. Is theory’s reaction really meat riding or is it just you being mad at something normal for the sake of it?
@Gauthier Lagrange This is a prime example of a theory meat rider everyone ☝️. At first I wasn't gonna bother to read all that but since you think you're smart I'm gonna take the time to address every idiotic point you made. First let's start with the "excited to see a character he has been a massive fan of" yeah no shit, almost everyone's a massive fan of Vader, including myself, we all get he's iconic and seeing him is gonna incite an excited reaction, but that's very different from cheering the death of a character or celebrating BECAUSE of that character even though every story beat up until that point does nothing to warrant the celebration of Ceres death. Questioning why people would be upset about Vader killing Cere is like questioning people why they would be upset when Anakin killed the younglings.. cause he's an evil villain killing innocent people lmao. When it comes to powerscaling he meat rides him in that department as well, considering the fact that Vader has been beaten by so many characters at this point that its laughable, all that power and he still loses to the likes of Boba Fett and Tarkin, and an Obi-Wan who hadn't trained in like 10 years 😭. Cere putting up a good fight and damaging him significantly isn't unrealistic if you remember that in the first game her force abilities were quite impressive. We are all already painfully aware that Vader would survive the fight and live on canonically, of course she was gonna die, but his reaction to her death is just weird.. that's the reaction you'd expect from a typical Vader meat rider though lol, celebrating the death of a good jedi because they refuse to believe anyone could give a challenge to Vader.. Pathetic mindset. Vader isn't cool because he's invincible, he's cool because he's relentless. And I can assure you, I'm not nearly as mad as theory was when he saw Vader getting his ass handed to him by Cere, and not nearly as mad as you for going to the lengths you did to defend him c🤡. Now get out of my sight.
@@watchgamezgo7146 ur right but I think it also has to do with her being black AND a woman. we all know star wars fans hate women hahahaha
@@jadyntrujillo5043 bro what 💀 seems like ur projecting ur own feelings there buddy
@@watchgamezgo7146 First of all, name callings only makes your comment weaker and trying to sound all mighty and badass in a CZcams comment is quite funny.
Now for your actual points, you argue in an empty room here. When did I say I want Vader to be an all mighty god no one can touch? I do agree with you with the relentless part, it’s what makes a lot of characters more interesting, if he was always unbeatable he wouldn’t be engaging. However you’re stretching a LOT when you say the likes of Boba or Tarkin beat him, they weren’t fair fights and it didn’t end well for them in both examples you mentioned, not at all the same situation Cere was in. If I manage to surprise the best mma fighter with a taser I wouldn’t say it’s the same as nearly beating him in the octogone. Obi-Wan is a completely different story and you know it, it’s been talked about for ages so I won’t even bother.
Now lastly, on the Theory part, no I’m not meatgrinding him, he has a lot of takes i don’t agree with and I don’t watch most of his content. I don’t really care. I think you’re just being way too harsh on his reaction because of your hate boner for him, he wanted to see a badass scene of his favorite character, it’s not that deep. He wasn’t thinking about the moralities here, he is not celebrating his actions, he’s celebrating the character. When people saw Vader chopping down rebels in Rogue One, a lot of them cheered, because it was a cool and badass scene of the character they like, again, not that deep, why aren’t you getting mad at them « why are you happy, you’re celebrating the death of good hearted rebel »? Because that’s the argument you’re making here, and it’s a poor one. You don’t have to feel like he did during that scene, having different expectations or attachement to the characters is okay, that’s my point.
Plus he wasn’t even that mad, he just made a few comments during the fight out of excitement and then at the end out of surprise it was that close. The reason I’m defending him is because your comment was unreasonable, plain and simple.
1:25 Bro turned into Palpatine there for a second 😂
Facts
The force echo transition when Cal catches her was one of the coolest scenes in the game.
I love the way he props himself up with his elbows and just walks away it's so reminiscent of Anakin 😂
The Vader voice is really good. Close to James himself. I didn’t expect Vader in this game but boy am I happy he is. Probably my favorite part of the last game. I’ve been skeptical about picking up this game, now I’m definitely going to
7:46 Vader be like: Alright Imma limp out.
(Heavy wheezing intesnsifies)
Dude is irritating complaining about dying when he's not healing himself lmao.
So was it supposed to be a memory of the fight because Cal found her body?
You were playing as Cere fighting Vader, then Cal finds her afterwards. Hence the fires being out and ash floating in the air.
Yeah he gets there later, he just senses her death and they like connect through the force, kind of like a darker version of Rey and kylos force calls. That’s also why cal doesn’t go after Vader (or vice versa) the empire have already left
I think they should have allowed the player to play as Vader since the player naturally has Armour plot....let us as the inevitable Victor Vader in any boss fight with Vader for the future
SWTFU Prologue level hell yeah
@@naufalmEZa tfu prologue is 10/10
Making Cere a difficult boss would've shown how much stronger she got without her doing so much damage to Vader. That said, we probably wouldn't have gotten the part where we play as her against the Imperial attack if the game did that.
@@DoratTheKiller you know what'd be cool.
To be able to choose to play either Cere or Vader.
Choices that accumulates and determine the ending, light and dark.
Ofc the canon ending'll be the light side one but still.. Things like that' what i miss from the classics like SWTFU
If anyone thinks Vader is weak here, just noting that
1: Cere is at a level of Master, fully retuning herself to the force after putting her loss and anguish behind her. She fights for a purpose and does not let her emotions bind her like the first game
2: this is heavily hinted to take place after his fight with obi-wan, meaning he is coming off a hard defeatand will probably underestimate any opponent after walking away from that alive
Do we know this is set after kenobi?
@@gammelgaddan_jr870 it’s impossible to know. But the first game was only a few years after 66. I’m guessing like 6-8 years. So luke was a kid. In the Kenobi series luke was about 5-6. That would be the timing of the first game. This game, Luke is prob about to interact with old Ben. So this guy doesn’t know his shit
@@joshuad748 It's actually you that don't know you're shit. Jedi Fallen Order takes place 5 years after Revenge of the Sith. Kenobi and Jedi Survivor both take place 5 years after Fallen Order
For Gods sake cant I open CZcams without spoiling the entire game?
Theory was so ready to be offended
What’s with with this dislike for Cere dude? That’s supposed to be an emotional moment. You’re way too much of a Vader fanboy.
I had so many mixed emotions during this, geeking out over Vader, scared for cere, sad for cal
People mad about Vader nearly losing to a Jedi master when he literally did lose to his son who had only 1 year of experience and only had one previous saber fight EVER. Sure Vader had to lose against Luke for the plot, but he also had to here. This is a great end for ceres character, and this doesn’t make Vader any weaker, it just makes cere that much stronger.
Vader just went 'Fuck man, I think i'll go take a dip in my bacta tank now' after defeating her
Seeing this only further makes question “How TF did Riva survive being run through by a lightsaber when more powerful force users like Cere and Qui Gon Gin die from the damage?”
Yeah, thar shit is bad, the entire kenobi show was bad. The only good part was Uncle Owen
Kenobi writters just forgot how a lightsaber works
Because the dark side vs light side. Using your rage to stay alive is a well established dark side ability but it is not one used by the jedi
Back in the old Dark Forces II game, there was a Dark Jedi that got cut in half at the waist, but his dark-side-fueled rage kept him alive. Literally, "Man Too Angry To Die." XD
@@CojaGamez Indeed it worked well for Maul heh. And yes I agree it's the difference between peacefully letting go, and holding on in anger.
4:04 Vader be like "Fire? I was born of this"
I died like 25 times to Vader 💀
yo this fight was epic through and through. pleasant freaking surprise i didnt expect vader to walk through that door in the slightest. it was epic through the whole fight. it took me 4 tries 🤣
I see people saying Vader is underpowered in this fight but i don't see it that way.
Vader acknowledges Cere has grown stronger, but several times in this fight he overpowers her with the Force. He probably could have killed her at any point easily using the Force based on what we see but he wants to break her so he doesn't use the Force to kill her until she gets too close at which point he redirects her strike to miss while stabbing her simultaneously.
Also Vader is known for toying with his victims before killing them which actually gets him into trouble a few times in Star Wars canon. But i think that's a bit of Anakin's ego shining through, he has to prove he is the best. But his arrogance and need to prove himself often cause him to lose/almost lose fights just like Obi-wan repeatedly tried to warn him.
There are so many nods to other things in Star Wars in this game and this fight to me really shows that although yes Vader is evil and terrifying, it's clearly Anakin in that suit. He's still there just under the surface but only Luke could see that and bring him back.
When he kills cere a part of anakin comes through, sith usually finish their enemies off in pure hate and no mercy, he walks away badly injured but he let her die in her own terms and even left cal alone. He let her die with honour
because she showed Vader , what she is capable of. Vader always looked for a worthy oponnent and he recognize that she was one of them. So he honoured and respected her ambitions, like she did everything in return. Even if she didn`t like Vader, but she respected him.
But Riva magically survived the same thing and went in to kidnap luke, man the kenobi show sucked ass
The fact Vader left her to stand instead of strike her down is a huge mark of respect from the Sith Lord🫡💯
I think just like most of showings of it, this is Star Wars gassing vaapad. Mace was able to use it to take on sidious. You can tell she is tapping into the dark side because cal uses cere’s move set and animations when he does his dark side time slow. Story telling via gameplay I liked it a lot.
he isn't though it's just sped up, her moves are more deliberate and focused, his are just wild slashes and saber throws
@@Forestgravy90 i dont believe thats the case the animations are a one for one copy. the x combo the Y launcher in ground slam are the exact same.
The fact that this entire game connects straight to kenobi is so perfect and I love it. Props to the director of the game. Absolute masterpiece.
How can you noy like this? She put up a fight weve seen vader mow people down its nice to see him actually struggle
We already saw that in Obi wan It would be nice to see Vader's True Potential power in the comics a Unstoppable force so far we've seen him get beat by Obi Wan Ashoka even his Son and Now Cere when are we gonna See Vader slaughtering powerful Jedi Armies of troops
@@anakinskywalker9315 this isn’t Vader:Survivor, this is about Cal and Cere.
@@anakinskywalker9315 he wasn’t beaten by Ashoka though
@@anakinskywalker9315 Obi Wan quite literally trained him so I would hope he would be able to defeat him Ashoka had a more personal connection with him as did Luke… what are you even crying about??? Luke beating Vader was quite literally the vision since day 1, otherwise the literal creator of the franchise.
@@lulu_TheWitchBoy yes he was in rebels
The way they held their lightsabers at each other and Vader flipped his to the other side was a call back to when Vader and look did that in episode 5
This fight gave me fond memories of whenever starkiller fought Vader
Personal Head canon: This fight took place Right after Space Jesus beat Vader for the second time so Vader is in a bad mood.
If anything, that’s an amp for Vader
Vader's always in a bad mood. His moods range from sullenly homicidal to venomous, indomitable rage-fueled homicidal.
I mean, it checks out timeline wise, 10 years after Sith
@@KingsBard Yes, but I also meant that Survivor took place in the same year as Kenobi, so there is a very good chance considering that Cere was in charge of the Path that Vader only learned about in Kenobi, that Survivor takes place right after the end of Kenobi, ergo Vader being in a pissy mood .
Beautiful scene bro at the end😭
I just love that this is an absolute boss fight meant to be failed several times
It took me 4 tries to realise I had no chance and switched to story mode.
They should’ve let you play as Vader during this section. Would’ve made for such a bittersweet but dope moment.
Yeah like the whole time you’re playing as Cere and then when Vader shows up they put you in his shoes. (Cere should still give you a challenging fight) I would’ve lost it
They even could’ve refilled his health as she dwindled it down, making you feel like, you’re not even trying as you’re destroying her
@@keloing923 exactly!
RIP, Cere
I died so many times while fighting Vader. On Jedi Knight difficulty
lmao everytime i died in this fight, i also went "yeah thats accurate"
Thanks for the spoiler
I struggled just as much in this fight until I started playing extremely defensively. I would parry and dodge everything and only go in for a hit or two when there was a clear opening. Took me about 12 times of fighting Vader to win.
Thanks alot for the spoiler alert!
I liked seeing cere actually go toe to toe with Vader. It shows how much of an effect fear has on his opponents and we don’t get to see him fight people like that
My favourite theory with this fight, is that the bar at the top isn't Vaders health, it's a bar to represent how much patience he has left.
Not in this case. Cere gave him a beatdown and rightly so. She was a true example of what a jedi master should be
@@CojaGamez Whilst I'd love to believe that's true, Vader is famous for "playing" with his food. I have no doubt if he fully committed himself from the start he would have overpowered Cere fairly quickly.
The thing is he loves to terrify his opponents, he wants them to feel true fear and torment, which happens to be a detriment when he's against an opponent who can overcome this fear and operate with a clear mind.
In this fight he's playing with Cere to start with, which you can see in his actions, in the beginning his "red" attacks comprise of slow, wide sweeping attacks that are meant to simply batter the enemy down and frighten them, aswell as the animation where he goes to grab their head. Yet as the fight progresses and you go through more cutscenes his attacks are more precise and quick, the more Cere showed she wouldn't fall to her fear, the more he upped his game.
Then naturally at the end when Cere caught him off guard and dropped the archive on him, he basically decided enough is enough and that he's going to end it there. Yes he is wounded, however that's purely because he wasn't trying to *just* win, he wanted to mentally break her, which opened up some windows for her.
Cere is definitely a strong Jedi, and the fact that she held out for that long especially once Vader started putting more focus into the physical fight shows that she truly was a great Jedi. However there's no way she would have won, especially not if Vader went in 100% from the start.
I stg Theory always cries whenever vader doesn't do anything but win. its so fucking annoying, wah wah wah "Vader would never!" I didn't know people could be so parasocial to FICTIONAL CHARACTERS
I was there😂 Your reaction was Priceless 👏 Also super Thankful for The Mods not letting you get Spoiled 🤘 It was Awesome General Theory
Thanks for spoiling this, it will be a real surprise when Vader shows up in the game.