It's Time To Admit This About Jalen Brunson... | JJ Redick and Tim Legler
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- čas přidán 27. 11. 2023
- In this clip from this week's Old Man and the Three Things, JJ Redick and Tim Legler discuss Jalen Brunson's outstanding play and admit a few things that they got wrong about Jalen in the past.
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Dude played 40 minutes a night in the playoffs and was at 100% until the last possession.
There's no reason for him to not be all-NBA.
It's ridiculous how these awards are all regular season awards (and in the case of all star, you could have a killer start, get into the all star game, and then suck for half the season).
These awards are broken. Have always been.
Yeah i dont get how it took so long for this conversation to happen. His effort and skill in the playoffs last year had me sold on him for life. Yet its in this new regular season that they finally notice him? Its weird
@aggarius2944 iirc the inside the nba guys were talking about how he should have been an all-star last year. That's the first praise i can recall.
They really do need to expand the All Star rosters, but even then there will always be players who play at an all star level that don't get to make it because there is only so many spots. I do think he most likely gets a spot this season.
@@williamroper5422 exactly.
After his Mavericks run, I knew Jalen was going to be huge for the Knicks. Guy’s a baller with leadership skills and warrior heart.
he is better than curry at this point due to Stephen's age
@@elmallocbro what ?
Knicks got a HUGE steal with that 4 year/100 million dollar contract. Tyler Herro got a 4 year/120 million and Brunson is definitely way better than Herro. He’s gonna get paid for sure his next contract
and its descending
Maybe. If he has a bad year, I can see him getting low balled
Hes short
@@Ericrawnsley Bro Herro can’t create his own shot and get others involved. Brunson can do that. I’d rather Brunson 100%
Well, the Knicks tampered with Brunson's free agency, so that probably helped them get a better deal.
Love hearing JB get the respect he’s earned 🔥🔥🔥
He doesn’t deserve any respect he’s a self hating racist
Facts!
It’s a joy to have him as a Knicks fan. We finally have our Allstar point guard
People really laughed at the Knicks for signing him for as much as they did. Now it looks like they got a significant discount.
Not a Knicks fan, but it’s pretty cool to see them having success.
What if he had success in Dallas. You would still think it was Cool? Seems only people like him cause he left Dallas. Cause he was 19 ppg as the Third option yet was the Mavs smartest players and could've been the first option but he knew being 3rd option at that time would be better for the team cause KP and Doncic are better scorers inside. Just like Randle averages more points in NY.
@@JimBrave-ri1oc oh no dude, I would be way happier if he had success in Dallas. I’ve liked the Mavs since Nash/Dirk and never really cared about the Knicks in any way.
But Dallas has had success in the last 30 years and the Knicks really haven’t. I’m happy for them and their fans. I get why you’re butthurt about it lol but him leaving the Mavs has nothing to do with it.
@@myquest666420 you dumbass, you're butthurt cause he beat Chris Paul and averaged 22 on him.
The knicks get paid so much to accomplish nothing
Right? I was like...guys it's a 100 mill contract for 4 years. This isn't a decade ago when that was a max contract or close to it. This is a very reasonable contract and short term. we didn't give up the world for an all nba /all star player like we did Melo.
We got clowned because we didn't get Mitchell or KD (twice), kyrie, etc.
He's going to get better and if the Knicks get a few more pieces, it's going to be a ecf / championship level team. Right now, I admit, we are pretenders / 2nd round exit at best.
I think the problem is that we don't have a player that is bonafide more dominate than someone else.
On paper, all of our players can be stopped no matter how clutch they are. None of them are a Luka, LeBron KD, curry where there is very little opposing players can do to stop them. It almost always seems like Brunson, Randle, Barrett and the team have to work at 70 to 80% effort to get what they want vs. LeBron or Kd can scale way down and let the game come to them...they win and you find out they had the quietest 30 point double double or triple double.
We have a million draft picks and a very favorable salary pool. We've got to make a big trade and go for it next year otherwise, Knicks have no choice but to give Brunson a fat contract, trade Randle/ Barrett...quickley is likely to get let go, etc...unless the Knicks really are bought in on this team there is no reason to extend everyone
Probably the most underrated player in basketball
I just remember hearing a discussion after the 2018 NCAA tourney. Cowherd and Jason Whitlock and a couple other scrubs were talking whether the Villanova title team was all-time. Whitlock kept making cracks about how Brunson would "have a cup of coffee" in the league, or when it was suggested he'd have a long career, he sniped, "yeah, in Latvia." I thought then, and it's stuck with me forever, that he was a moron who would never get called on his idiotic take. So I'm calling him on it now. Whaaaaaaaat a dummy. I'll never drop this either. Lifetime enemy. JB is amazing.
-- well, if Legler thought Brunson would be just an average-ish NBA player and Whitlock said a colorful remark about how sub-okay Brunson would be, very few people including myself thought Brunson would be this good.
Even the Mavericks let Brunson go -- esp in the off minutes of Luka during their final playoff run.
So...Great on Brunson. Great on the Knicks, for once.
I don't know if anyone but Brunson was confident that he'd be an all-star caliber player. Even in that round table, everyone else was basically where Legler was: JB would be a serviceable player in the league for the entirety of a decent career. Nothing crazy like what we've seen. Whitlock was the only one who was sooooo sure he'd be in and out of the league in a hurry. I think everyone was "wrong," including myself, but Whitlock was the MOST wrong. Whitlock is stupid. Down with Whitlock!
@@Berniekid24 Where was Whitlock then... and where is he now...?
When you spew takes like his, you end up where you're supposed to be.
Still waiting on Skip Bayless to get his just due.
I’ll never drop that Stephen a denounced the Knicks and vowed never to step in the garden. And here he is right on the bandwagon. Fakest fan. I guess that’s why he’s popular though
Jalen is like the small guard version of Jokic, sneaky athletic but feels slow, incredibly strong, outstanding fundamentals and just plays that bit off pace that seems to give modern defenders absolute fits. Doncic also the same type.
Yeah I was going to say a smaller Doncic, very similar game. I just think Brunson is a little higher IQ with more emphasis on team. Meanwhile Luka has more individual skill
@@michaelvazquez5144luka gave him tips when they were a duo in Dallas
@@cudi2787 I’m sure you gain knowledge from every teammate along the way, but this was Brunson’s game in college too.
not even close he cant playmake for his teammates like jokic
@@sydoesgames I agree. I think the Doncic comparison makes more sense
Both Legs and JJ look so absolutely proud of Brunson and it’s really heartwarming. They’re the two best at watching and really evaluating the younger generation right now.
As a Knicks fan i was so wrong and im glad we got him now. He’s one of the best players the Knicks have had in years
In years bro. I was surprised as well because this guy is the truth. I watched him carry this team heavy the entire 4th quarter in MSG and had the building rocking. That’s when I learned of how good he is
Tingis Pingis forgives you.
Best guard pick up since Stephon Marbury.
@@russellny8086better than Marbury
@@the_kwiet_stormnegative....but he is really good for us....and glad we got him
As a Mavs fan. I miss Jalen Brunson. Good luck to you in NYC.
I’m a Knicks fan that lives in Dallas and the consensus is that the Mavs fucked up letting him go. I appreciate the alley oop because he’s the PG we’ve been looking for the past 30 years
@@lemmie_live5969 he is younger and cheaper and less headache than Kyrie. Although leaving Luka is probably the best thing that ever happened to him.
@@icecube721 I think he’s a cheaper, less headache, more team emphasized Luka. Luka’s attitude will cause him to never win
RJ Barrett was balling in that Heat series. No disrespect to JJ...just think ppl are over looking Knicks ascension. RJ is turnin the corner...Quickley is looking great. Mitch is a beast om the boards. This team has arrived.
except rj layed the stinkiest egg on the closeout game.
Gotta get rid off Randle.
@@foi9841a lot of bigger players like Embiid, Harden, KD, Booker, etc had bad close out games last year. The point is it’s total BS to say Brunson was the only reason the Knicks were in that series when RJ was big that series for the Knicks.
that last game he didn't do much though
@@Haitidon Ok lol
I was so wrong about this little guy it’s absurd how much of a monster he is 😂
I always just looked at him as a solid player but dudes playing incredible now.
Not wrong at all when it matters most he’ll over dribble. NY is going nowhere with Brunson as a #1 option
@@knowledge120 how when he only has two 40 point playoff games and 1 of those are with the mavericks ? Google is free fanboy
IQ is underrated in the NBA, if I was a GM, I would use IQ metric as part of my measuring stick, Brunson, Nash and others have proved that superior basketball intelligence overweights athleticism and size when it comes to potential
@Fdcogd Who's saying the Knicks will win a chip with brunson as #1? Nobody. And you act as if the Knicks are a finished product.and why are you bitter?
I tell everybody Jalen Brunson was the craziest guy Ive played in person. I was a very good defender very well rounded. He posted me up from the 3 pt line zipped passes past my head. Taught me what an off arm was 😂. Stepbacks from 25ft in 2014-15. He’s the truth , real basketball sicko
Jalen Brunson takes over games with the best of them. Top 15-20 player in the league
He’s shooting 47% from 3 right now lol
Jalen Brunson plays older than his years. He has amazing court intelligence.
Coming from Miami i could stamp that Jalen brunson is a star in this league. Tim said it best, (sorry Jj) Jalens skill level and iq is off the charts and it more than makes up for his lack of size and athleticism. He’s a star in the league
People hated so hard on the contract. He already earned it 1.2 years in.
People are just unaware of today’s pay scale.Fred Van Fleet is getting 40mil per year.
Mad respect for JB. We miss him in Dallas.
The time to have this conversation about Jalen was a year ago when he completely destroyed the narrative that the Knicks overpaid for him. He has done nothing but dominate since that playoff run with dallas! Dude is so underrated and happy he is finally getting his respect!
Not underrated anymore lol
Brunson should have been an allstar last year . Brunson will be an allstar this year. I believe the league knew they missed it so they invited him to the fiba games
Brunson is the real deal! He is one of the most fundamental guys in the league and one of the best leaders.
Jaylen Brunson is reaching goat level status with his play
I knew it when I saw him his last year with Dallas. In the conference finals scoring at will
Any NOVA fan knows his ceiling was minimum was Mr. Big-Shot. Dude was CONTROLLING the game in his second Natty. Post-up moves from the block, and he’s left-handed. He’s one of the guys that just needed the opportunity to showcase.
JJ caught himself, "we- they haven't had that" 2:08
Yeah that was the native New Yorker coming out!! 😂😅
I was at Marquette when Jalen was playing for Nova and got to see some amazing battles between those teams in the big east. Back then, i thought Josh Hart was the best player for Nova. But now its clear to me that Brunson was the glue that kept Nova great during those years. He never had to score 25 a game back then so i assumed he couldn't. I couldn't have been more wrong
Nah, you taking it too far. Mikal Bridges was the best but yes Brunson as the vet pg was very important. When Nova has a good pg that stays a few years they usually won every couple years under Jay Wright
Tim Legler is one of the goats of commentary/analysis.
Could watch him for hours
He's one of my favorite player, the man is just SO GOOD
He didn’t get that money for no reason. He’s worth it. As a Knicks fan I’m happy he’s in NY.
Brunson has been a godsend to the Knicks. About time the NBA puts respect on his name. Brunson has a killer mindset
In the playoffs last year brunson quickly became my second favorite player (fav is mikal bridges). He just looked like someone with a different mindset than every other player on the court in that miami series and it was beautiful
I thought Brunson would be good, but i had no idea he would be THIS good. Legit #1 option who plays defense, is an incredible leader, and just never gives up. I hate the Knicks but I hope they can put a real team around him bc he is for real
25 pts is the new 18 pts per game from the 90’s
They're playing something that resembles basketball again. The 90's version of the game looked like rugby on a basketball court. I think it got worse through most of the aughts.
As a Mavs fan it is so painful to have wanted Cuban to extend Brunson for years only to watch them stumble into Nash Departure Deja Vu
JB knew himself though. He entered the market, signed immediately to the huge market team and hasn't looked back. That man has zero self doubt and all the talent in the world.
i hate admitting this bc people think im lying, but i saw brunsons potential so early. i picked nova to win in 2016 and 18, his 2nd szn in the league i said he can be a top 20 player in his career. truthfully my favorite player in the nba
Jalen Brunson: All NBA caliber, not on ALL NBA team
Julius Randle: Not ALL NBA caliber, ALL NBA team.
NBA voters......SMH
Randle averages more points and rebounds. So there is that. Also There are way more guards in the NBA that are putting up 25ppg.
He just isn't all nba calibre. He isn't top 6. He isn't even top 10.
Still extremely good for his contract
One of the best comments on this topic that I've read. Randle is vastly overrated and so is RJ Barrett. The two of them will act as a ceiling on NY's potential. It won't matter how many heroics Brunson pulls off.
been waiitng for more talk about brunson
Think about this he was the college player of the year, and was the leader on a squad that won 2 national championship. He was a decorated award winning player coming out of college and went in the 2nd round of the draft. I remember seeing that and was like GMs really don't believe in JB. I knew he would be a star. He has been amazing on every level and is a humble dude.
Indeed. He was a leader here at Villanova. He's got a deep bag
Win for JB, win for NYK. They made a great move!
Should’ve been an all star last year! Lets Go Knicks 🤙✅✅
@JJ please work with Grimes on attacking the rim. He can't just be standing shoot and touch bthe ball for 1 second and pass. He needs to break the defender down and create shots for himself.
Timing of this video is perfect, 42 last night against Detroit with efficiency. The fact that Brunson makes scoring on all 3 levels look so easy is the scary part.
It’s funny I’ve been wrong about plenty of guys but I always said he has that it .. Villanova he did nothing but lead and hit big shots . And falls that playoff run he had his coming out party I kept telling people this was such a great move for once for the Knicks and it’s uncharacteristic for them to make a move that isn’t something the fans would love but Thank God we did .
Crazy thing is I was arguing with Knicks fans they got the best FA and they were saying he was overpaid. He was a 50/40/90 guy and had less than 2 TOs a game playing 32 mins in DAL. Thats basketball IQ and a true PG
Damn these guys are legit! From a NYK fans heart thank you!
Nicks finally have something to be happy about. A player that they can get behind and who will never disappoint. I'm glad for the fans. I hope he can rub off on his teammates. I hope Tibs just says, "This is your team, Jalen. " and everybody buys into that.
"Nicks" smh
You have just set yourself up for dissapointment.
I told my brother during his rookie season that after a few years Jalen Brunson would be really good and he said he was too short and not athletic enough for the nba
damn bruh, you should be on TNT with Shaq and Charles
Honestly I didn't expect this from him after seeing him on the mavs, and I'm a Knicks fan (i was honestly hoping for Donovan Mitchell)
D Mitch is overrated
@@BigDaddy52525casual take lmfao
@@BigDaddy52525 I'm not gonna call someone that put up 71pts 11ast 8 reb in a comeback win from down 20 at the half overrated. Does he phone it in on defense? A lot, definitely why we can't have him and Brunson as our back court, but he's bucket when he needs to be and it's pretty versatile on offense
He's inconsistent watch him in the playoffs. He's a bit of a head case. @@michaelroberts5191
@@CuddleBuddeeas a Cavs fan Mitchell can take some really low iq frustrating shots. It be excusable at the end of a shot clock cause he’s a bucket. But no it’s with like 21 seconds left and other people open and the most forced mid range.
All I asked for was 18 ppg and 6 ast when we signed him... I had No idea he would be this Great
It's so great to have a sports analysis and commentary show that doesn't devote resources to finding new and creative ways to denigrate black men. And on top of it you guys are brilliant. Grateful to have you
Best guard pick up since Stephon Marbury for Ny. Dude can put up 40+ any night. 💪🏼💪🏼💪🏼 LGK
Brunson is a baller, so good.
Brunson is shooting a scorching 48% from 3
This is great to hear! Now let's never talk of Mitchell-to-NYC ever again
I definitely thought he would be solid pg and that’s all dudes a monster
Nothing gets me hype like JB praise!
S/O to him.. he worked hard and proved against the odds. Nice to see Legler admit he’s wrong and give props
Great video JJ
Scary part is he's only getting better !
Been a fan of brunson , love the fact he changed the narrative because knicks fan was slirping donovan mitchell like he was the savior.. brunson is 10x the player for me than mitchell is. Dude is a grown man playing the position and plays it a high level
I watched him in Dallas during the playoffs and said they will continue be contenders because of him, not knowing he would eventually be a Knick. I'm so glad as a Knicks fan. The media was saying we paid too much at the time and all I was thinking is, get him here regardless of the cost.
it makes you wonder what is to come.. guys a dawg.. a guy you want on your team... when i saw it was him taking that last iimpossible shot, im sure all the players were holding their breath.
Love Brunson more than any other Knick ever.
Where can i get that Hoodie JJ has on?
Jalen brunsen is the total package, he can command the offense as good as anyone. His gamer mentality is top tier. The dude just looks like he lives in the effin zone 24/7.
I am so proud of Brunson its ridiculous smh im too happy for this guy cuz i love how he plays 💪🏾 he actually plays w common sense and sees the game as it is, instead of being the cliché player that thinks he's Kobe and wants to ply hero ball every chance they get smmfh 💯
Riddick where do I get that hoodie? Please lmk!?
The Knicks have centred their offence primarily around JBrunson and JRandle. They can't beat the top 3 teams (Celtics, Bucks and Sixers), however everyone below those 3, we can easily beat. If we can replace JR Barrett, who's good but not good enough to be the go-to man in crunch time. If we can replace him with a Mikal Bridges or a Kyle Kuzma or even a Paul George-type player who can get a bucket when u need it the most. This would elevate a team that can't get out of the second round to a title contender. Honestly, Paul George would be a perfect fit with the Knicks and the style of play with Brunson and Randle.
Cant agree more. However I knew Brunson could beat lead guard since Dallas. He used to take over games in spurts for Luka. Now he does it all the time.
He was legit the best college player of the 2010s and the best under 19 USA mens basketball player of his class.
It never made any sense to me he wasn’t a consensus lottery pick let alone not even a 1st round pick. Mavs drafting Luka and Brunson in the same class is nuts
How did it take this dude so long? We all knew this in the playoffs with the mavs 😂
Rick Carlisle.
It kind of reminds me of everyone being surprised by Adrian Griffin joining the Celtics in the late 90's, after bouncing around Europe league etc and then suddenly finding himself starting for the Celtics and playing fairly well (wasn't super common, pre CBA)...he was asked, what's your secret?...he said, hey, it's just basketball, and I know how to play basketball. NBA is as much about marketing, opportunity, what the fans want to see, which then gives the players the minutes and system focus to excel...New York has for a long time been a unique fan fuelled team in all senses of the word, which is perfect for a player like Brunson. That's not a cynical take, it's just what can make the difference between someone is seems like "just" a bench player, but given the right setting is suddenly bossing the league...seems to happen for point guards as much as any other role in the NBA, partly because they have the choice with the ball in their hands.
I think JB is a top 5 PG
Jalen Brunson is THAT kind of a human being--all those qualities JJ and Tim discussed. Everything good Jalen does on the court seems to overflow from that. How can I be sad/disappointed he's not still in Dallas? Because I'm too happy for him where he is.
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I’m the same as Tim I didn’t see it coming from the Nova days and thought they paid too much and boy was I wrong he’s been incredible and saved us from the Julius Randle led Knicks horror show
I never reach this far but when it comes to Brunson man just give him the years and bag now!
the Brunson burner is cooking them dudes out there
Amazing draft pick in fantasy hoops around the 3-4 turn
I love it! He’s top 5.
He was like that his last year in Dallas too
Patience NYK
If you watched Brunson on the mavs after his first season you knew he could score more, his footwork and pace is honestly very similar to Luka like a faster Luka mini with footwork and fakes. And his series against the jazz with Luka out he had like 2 30 pt games and won some games for the mavs.
Brunson is good even by old school standards.
So many NBA media members chuckled that the Knicks “won the Jalen Brunson sweepstakes” sarcastically. Yeah well whoops
Brunson deserves more money!! We the Knicks got a bargain! Thanks Mavs!
He’s in the same category as Jrue Holiday. They both fly under the radar but are elite at their position
Hes better then Jrue 💯
Lmaooooo cmon man with the covert shade, Jrue!?. Yall doin it again, stop. He’s way better than Jrue. Jalen is a top 5 PG in the league right now.
Mark Jackson 2.0 with range. Crafty Tough IQ. Straight baller. Love Brunson.
15 PPG of his average is him hunting for fouls every game
Brunson is great straight up. Lemme say this, if he was NOT in NY, he would be SO marketable. Like I (as a 35 year Knick fan) I never ever expected this. He’s the best player by value in the league
He deserves every praise, but he isn't all nba yet. Has he outside chance to make it because others don't get enough games. Sure
But there is no chance of everyone is healthy(and isn't close yet) Top 10 guards would then already be big stretch, maybe he can get there by the end of the year, but isn't there yet
💯 facts!!!
I want that JJ hoodie, anybody know where I can get it? Please respond
Same here!
Jimmy Butler is the poster child for breaking scouting expectations.
Man's built for NYC. JB Hive all day. Knicks in proper direction. Recognize.
I love Jalen wasn’t afraid of NY like 97% of these so called superstars in the nba are.
Joe Namath won one superbowl in NY and forever became a legend.