Toyota Auris HSD | Fully Charged
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- A brief meander in the new Toyota Auris HSD, and a quick wash.
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Our Auris has over 200.000 km on the clock and still drives great. Love it.
Great cupholders also, really great cupholders.
@DanFrederiksen The new model Prius and the Auris both have a 1.8 engine. The theory was that a larger and lower revving engine would be more economic and from my experience that really is the case. Best I got in the previous 1.6 Prius, was 73 mpg. In the newset 3rd gen Prius, I have regularly got over 80 mpg, best ever, 82.4.
fullychargedshow Small correction; the previous Prius was the 2nd generation vehicle, which has a 1.5 litre VVTi Atkinson Cycle engine mated to a 67hp Electric motor. There are no 1.6 litre Prii. Love your shows, big fan, drive a Prius II and have an electric pedelec bicycle. 😃👍
I just bought one very recently, and its 12 years old now. Its holding up very well. I hear alot of enviromental reasons for this car, which to be brutally honestly, doesnt do anything for me at all. However there are meny rational reasons for getting this car. Its very reliable, its very economical, its comfertable enough, and its relatively well equiped. Also for a 2nd hand car they hold their value quite well. All in all it makes a lot of sense, if you are buying a car for rational, commuting purposes.
Wow! 40 GBP to fill up a tank on a hybrid! I can fill up my Prius here in Dallas for a around $25 USD. It is amazing that people here in the USA complain about gas prices when it jumps an extra $1 per gallon. We really do have it cheap here. Although, I admit I wish it would go up an extra $1 and stay there. I might see fewer road-tanks on the road.
9 years on from your comment and I never knew you watched this show. I only came on this video because I was thinking of buying one of these used.
Excellent review. I got a 2012 Auris Hybrid recently with 99 k miles on it. The car feels very tight and well put together, and not falling apart like some cars. So far I'm getting 57.5 mpg even in power mode!
Robert, Toyota makes sure that you have at least another gallon or two as 'reserve' that does not show up on the dashboard. So even though the gauge starts flashing, you more than likely still have enough gas/petrol to get to a gas station. This is done on purpose to make sure that people won't get stuck on the side of the road. My Prius has an 11.9 US gallon tank, yet I fill up around 9-10 gallons when I have an 'empty' tank.
Great show my friend! Keep up the great work!
--Dan
Nice video. Got my first Hybride last week, and I love it. Has nothing to do with really driving a car, because I used to drive Audi V6 and big American V8 cars before. Today, I love my Toyota Auris. It's so quit cruising thru town !
Just recently done a test drive on a new Toyota Corolla hybrid 1.8 very impressive smooth quiet and decent acceleration can't even tell when the petrol engine kicks in done a 15 mile drive in heavy traffic and dual carriageway a good mix got just under 80 mpg better fuel economy than a diesel wow
As always, a real pleasure to watch :)
thank you very much
@greyareaRK1 £40 is currently about $60 US, so the car travels about 480 miles for $60. Does that help?
@snipe4ever I wish I'd replied to this earlier and I wish I'd made this much clearer. The cars always use the batteries and electric motor, if that doesn't work, neither does the car. So the batteries were still working, and after extensive tests they had around 85% of the capacity they had when they were brand new.
Want one, the show is getting better and better. Keep up the good work :)
@kaytronika I agree, it's a steep price, but the Prius has proved very reliable with original battery pack to last a long time and go a long way. There are many 100's of Prius taxis around the world that have clocked up over 300,000 miles. Those taxi companies have all agreed they have saved far more than £8 grand in fuel over that time. Over 300,000 miles the savings are around £20,000
Love your videos, bobby! Thanks for posting!
@Oldsmobile69 Good criticism, I understand and will endeavour to improve :-)
Thanks for a great review! the only thing i missed was a tour of the bluetooth function and the centre consol where you control the radio / ac / heat.
Keep up the great work! :D /Hans, Sweden
@ericofcrows You are very right, I accept your comment, but in truth, they both do stop moving when you run out. And if you really run out of diesel, that can really screw up the engine. But yes, can of petrol much quicker than 13 amp extension lead.
Is the new aureus more economical to drive than new Prius.
So that was an economical (kind to the environment) car wash cloth, followed by a hose?
Thanks for responding. I didn't really make it clear that despite my critical comment I think the concept of your show is excellent and I really encourage you to continue. It is clear that you are constrained by a lack of resources but maybe that is the trigger for some creative solution to that problem. Keep thinking and it will come to you.
@Charles2337 I think we broadly agree, it's only the anti hybrid stance that I take issue with. Countless studies have shown that over its proven lifetime (300,000+ miles) a hybrid makes such gargantuan fuel savings over a comparably sized 5 seat saloon that it's overall lower contribution to both CO2 and other pollutants, and it's corresponding lower fuel use counteracts all the concerns we should rightly have about battery manufacture. I feel it's a step in right direction
Really enjoying watching . Well done - wish I could afford one , I think I will start with an electric bike first . lol I would love to make my own electric reverse trike . keep em coming , have been all electric and have a low carbon foot print with all my electric aircraft .
So when is the next episode coming?
Do the battries still work in the taxis you quoted as doing 300,000 miles or are they now just using the petrol engine?
Any idea what the servicing costs are on something like this?
We sure have come a long way in 10 years!
What weighs more an electric motor and battries or a petral/desal engine with fuel tank?
@eldictator1 Thanks, I think this is the most sensible comment I have ever read about battery manufacturing and the impact it may have. I think we should be concerned, we should scrutinise what's going on, we should make it clear we are unwilling to support companies that use old school methods in their mining etc.
Great Vid
Robert: The issue of the "long-tailpipe" keeps coming up for me, especially on the issue of refining energy use, which you addressed in the first video. Nissan has put out materials showing refining taking 7.5 kWh per U.S. gallon. However, some people argue that refineries are net producers of energy. I can't verify Nissan's math, and the issue seems very unsettled. Do you have any definitive resources on the subject? Thanks.
You mentioned how much it is to fill up. What does that means, relatively-speaking, for those of us who don't live in the UK? Thanks.
@munteruk Good point, well made and I take your criticisms on my shoulders. I quite agree, my only excuse at present is that I have set myself an absurd challenge, to create a regular show about cutting edge technology with no back up, no researchers, no script writers, camera operators, directors, editors or men in suits sitting in offices making decisions. It's my own fault and with luck I will improve.
And you totally earned where you are now Bobby. 🙂 Look how far you've come!
@wlchase A lot of people are working on that solution I believe
You would be a great co-host on Top Gear
are they eletric tractors and lorrys.
@ericofcrows I'm suggesting that in an emergency any home or business you end up next to could potentially provide you with emergency charging. Presumably you'd run out fairly close to home so it wouldn't take much to get you back there. I agree it's best not to run out, and doesn't take much work to avoid getting stranded in the first place.
MPG: I recently learned that UK gallons are 20% larger than US gallons. So the MPG numbers quoted here are 20% higher than they would be in the USA.
I expected the Auris to be the lighter than the Prius as well but when I looked at the Toyota website, they have the same curb weight? Auris is about 20cm shorter than the Prius but wider and taller. Auris boot space is pretty small though so still Prefer the Prius for family life/motoring.
BMW's plant here in America has a very eco friendly way they run it. They use the methane gas from a local trash dump to run a lot of the plant. So they do a pretty good job in my opinion.
How many other vehicles do you know that have done 300,00 miles, with or without a electric motor.
@fullychargedshow I agree. This brings me back to one of your original points about "cars in their nature can never being green" I see articles with an "A HA" Headline trying to debunk the E.V movement with a story about Bolivian mining of salt flats and the issues of water extraction and miners rights. But nothing is more environmentally damaging and energy intensive than extracting oil and refining it. Like the C02 issue, electric cars aren't a magic bullet but they do reduce our impact
A hint of Kryten around 10:00 ...is there much prosthetic foam in an Auris ? (car or woman lol)
I don't know about the UK, but over here in Australia it's (apparently) a big marketing plus if the car is "fully imported", as opposed to assembled in Australia or (gods forbid) manufactured here. Drives me nuts. We dig all sorts of good things up out of the ground, ship it overseas, then buy it back as cars. Bah.
Also: I believe the Prius is a parallel hybrid, whereas the system you describe is the series hybrid as in the Volt or the Rav4 (with the genset trailer)
thats one of those questions.... ;)
depends very much on the motor/battery and the engine/fuel tank....
diesel engines are typically heavy as they have to deal with massive pressures.. petrol engines are also heavy, saying that a high output electric motor is a heavy lump too.. battery weights are coming down all the time as the tech improves, but batteries don't weigh significantly more when they are full, fuel tanks do :)
It's quite funny watching this back after all the recent episodes full of flashy BEVs. Anyway, I've had an Auris Hybrid since 2013, and in that time it's gone from 16k miles to 122k miles. It's been incredibly reliable, and despite not really being too good at the hypermiling we generally get between 55-65mpg in summer and 48-55mpg in winter, and that's official with the fuelly app rather than relying on the car's own computer.
I think we paid about £11-12k for it and it's probably still worth over £4k now, so I'd be happy to keep it running for another 100k miles, but we''re at the stage now of wanting something with a much bigger battery to really cut down on burning the dinosaur juice, but feel that there's not much in our price range right now that will do over 100 miles between charges, so we might need to wait a year or 2 until 2nd hand Leaf 40 values drop significantly. The only other option is an i3 REx, which is tempting.
Did you eventually find a replacement? :)
@@PitchBlackTalesI've had an i3 REx for over 3 years now. I bought it on 42k, it now has 87k. I've used very little petrol in that time, over 90% of my driving is electric, so it's as cheap as chips to run.
hi have you had any engine issues with it?
@@ravjayakodi2746 No petrol engine issues on the i3, no. A few electrical gremlins, but nothing too costly. Since I first commented here the i3 has gone from 42k to 98k!!
@@gazzaman28 i meant your auris mate
Hello, i like alot your show keep up the good work!
I know that you dont like the PORSCHE Cayenne but now there is a green one !!!
Called "porsche cayenne S hybrid" i hope you do a review of it hahahaha Good luck with everything!
@rockguitar2012 ...Never mind, I think it was still processing when I watched it or something
Exactly!
So this car has been available in the UK for at least 2 years, any idea when it's going to head to the shores of the US? They import RR, Bentley's, Jags and the such to here, why not the Auris? I know it's a Toyota but I would love to get 72 mpg. My 2008 Prius only pulls about 48 mpg.
I know this comment is year's old but don't forget the MPG figures quoted in this video are UK MPG we have very different Gallon measurements..It would be a lot better if all manufacturers and reviewers quoted ltrs per 100 Kms...I think 65 UK Mpg is about 45 US Mpg.
@fullychargedshow A big fan of the show and an E.V fan. I think the lithium mining process in some cases is cause for slight concern. I understand it is not a rare earth material and that it can be extracted from sea water, but the Bolivian supply needs monitoring. The local population will probably lose out and there are small environmental issues(they do pale in insignificance compared to most mines). I think large corporations need to address these issues before they become an achiles heel.
what do prius and auris mean? I always wondered how they came up with the names for cars.
9 years late but I know auris means ear in latin for some reason
@JRP3 Maybe in 5 or 10 years that will be true, but on my way to work this morning I passed 4 petrol stations and if you count the socket in my garage at home, only one point where I could have charged an electric car. There may be more electrical outlets than petrol stations, but I've never seen one for public use. Of course the solution is just don't run out of fuel!
@TheTVLicence Well well. I didn't expect you to agree with me. The counter spin from the pro oil lobby is far better funded and massively over exposed in traditional media, which of course they will part own. The road tax for the Auris is zero, and for your super eco petrol car is £250. £250 buys a lot of fuel, especially if you get over 80 mpg which the Auris does quite easily. I would contest that every point I made in my spin crazy Blairite ranting stands scrutiny.
@marcopon cool thanks
I got a Shell ad before this video. I clicked it.
netsurfer912 And now 2 years later I get an ad to make a reservation for an Audi E-Tron Quattro electric SUV. Progress is a beautiful thing.
@fullychargedshow I see. yes slow does indeed work. it has to do with the loss of energy when having to force gas out of the cylinder quickly.
very large and crude 2 stroke slow diesel engines for ships can be remarkably efficient. well above 50%. compared to the prius' around 35%
@MrSuperbar Good point, but I'm still a keen supporter of hybrids. The technology has really moved on, when you sit in motionless traffic the engine isn't running, at 70mph on a downhill section of motorway, engine not running, if you drive carefully, you can top 80 mpg, as a transition and an encourager for people to reconsider their fossil consumption, I'd say hybrids an important step. It's what made me stop and think 'do I really need a VW Golf R32,' and the answer was, no.
@Charles2337 No, I never forget such things. However when compared to the impact of the oil extraction industry and the subsequent transportation costs, refining costs etc, and when I say costs I'm talking global environmental and economic, it puts the mining and refining of lithium very much in the shade. Lithium makes up a tiny part of the batteries (2%) and it can be 100% re-cycled. Show me a gasoline re-cycling plant and I'll buy a V8 Range Rover :-)
It really was a rather nice looking car :)
I know they are planning on making plug-in hybrid cards, but I always just wonder why you don't have the option to plug one of these in. Obviously you wouldn't get huge extra range, but I would have thought it would be worth doing....espesially and the negligable cost.
Ooh dear... the spell check has crapped out on me. Just prettend that's how words are spelt :P
It seems to be a well featured car, however that it can't be plugged in to further reduce the fuel consumption seems an obvious omission.
Even if it only helped a little bit, surely it would be worthwhile
Maybe next time you review a car with this ommision, you could ask them, the answer may be interesting.
lol @ the name jokes. great vid as always.
It seems to be a well featured car, however that it can't be plugged in to further reduce the fuel consumption seems an obvious omission.
Even if it only helped a little bit, surely it would be worthwhile
Robert I've developed a new power source for cars, an ifinite reusable one...
A smeg powered car.
I call it the smeg efficient dynamics or smeg ED for short
I like the design of these car only thing I hate about these auris is that the interior with dash and doors having cheap feeling plastics it would been nice to have softer materials and higher quity dash other wise these are relible over all even if you get the diesel engines those are good too.
Many of these taxis are on the original battery, but they did have to replace 2-3 of the cells that failed
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electrictroy2010 Don’t be ridiculous! Absolutely untrue. Many of the aforementioned taxis have since gone over 400,000 miles on the same Original Traction battery and drive train. A few Prius 2nd generation vehicles have even reached 500,000 before their traction batteries finally kicked the bucket. Replacing faulty cells is NOT recommended, unless you were replacing the whole lot with brand new cells. It’s a difficult job and not for the faint hearted. People tend to buy a refurbished traction battery from a reputable rebuild manufacturer, or play it safe and buy an original replacement HV battery from Toyota - and they’re nowhere near as expensive as you might think - worth the cost for another 12+ years (at least), of reliability. Let’s be clear; Toyota Hybrids are delightfully over engineered. My 2008 Prius Tspirit has 102,600 miles on the clock and still gives me 63 mpg in summer - and that’s with me flying it like an X-Wing from Star Wars! The battery is showing NO signs of deterioration. The vehicle itself is a faultless workhorse that starts in all weather, and performs as well as it did when I first bought it 2nd hand 5 years ago.
So, to recap, stop with the fake news! None of those 400,000 mile taxis replaced any battery cells. It’s not like replacing a spark plug. It’d be more reliable to buy a new battery and carry on. When my battery does fail, I’ll buy another one from Toyota. Totally worth the money - though, I expect to get at least between 200,000 to 250,000 miles out of the the existing battery. FYI, the official life span of the average Prius is 180,000 miles, because that’s where the service booklet stamps stop. However, there are 300,000 milers silently plodding around, cheekily gliding about the highways, with an enigmatic smile on their grilles, simply refusing to die. Yup, seriously over engineered indeed 😃👍
is it just me or does the auris look alot like the prius c?
Running out of petrol and running out of battery charge is NOT the same thing. If you run out of petrol you can just go and get some in a can. You just can't do that in a battery car. Don't get me wrong I'm all for electric cars, but it hurts your own argument to say things like this. You can't just gloss over the drawbacks.
Other than that really enjoying the videos. Keep em coming!
@ericofcrows It depends on where you run out. Quite possibly since electric outlets are more common than gas stations you'll end up closer to a charging point than a fuel source. Additionally, a properly designed EV will start to cut back on current, and therefore speed, as you near empty, giving you plenty of warning and an opportunity to get to a nearby outlet. Quite unlike an ICE which drives the same until it sputters quickly stops.
"This is my daughter Prius, and this is my daughter Auris. They both want to marry you."
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!
why didnt they have it as a plug in as well so you could of had a full battery before you set of and just got there on electric.???
Because charging your car with the power of atomic power plants and dirty sources like brown coal isn't very ecofriendly.
+JackoBanon1 what about solar and wind from your house???
16vastraturbo
You know the amount of energy that is necessary to charge an electric car?
Well, it would work of course but you would need a lot of solar panels for this big amount of energy. And I don't think that many people could afford this.
What does “Could of had” mean, where did you learn English?
16vastraturbo - What does “Could of had” mean, where did you learn English?
@fullychargedshow As I've pointed out on my review of Fully Charged within iTunes (Thumbsucker), I'd love to see a report on the infrastructure being put in place for electric vehicles; it's all well and good charging at home for day-to-day to use but I'd want to know how and where to charge while further afield. You've been to the conferences, we haven't. And, I think you'll agree, it is the first big question being asked by potential early adopters to the technology... after buying, what then?
I think my main problem with this car... Purely from a financial point of view... Is that given that the initial outlay is around £8k more than the car I currently drive, even with the fuel savings and tax relief, I'd have to drive it for a good number of years to ever recoup that £8k!
@fullychargedshow it's true that the non thinkers like top gear and fifth gear overemphasize the range limit but not sure stooping to their level is the way to go. we wont win much by pretending refueling is the same as recharging because at least so far it is not. better to find some quick charging stations and make a point out of that.
once people have EVs it's probably not range anxiety but for now it will remain a range limit. no point denying that. and quick charge and REEV will do.
@adric22 I'd pay 130.9 cents per litre here in Australia. Which i think is equivalent to US$4.54/Gallon!
The Auris is the Prius C. Why does the C look so ugly compared to Auris? I would have bought a C had they kept the "concept" look but they rolled it back to the Prius look. The Auris is just so much better looking. So what is the difference between a gallon in the States and a gallon in the UK?
When you wash your car, use steam. It's environmentally friendlier, you use far less water and you don't need any cleaner. Please.
@fullychargedshow don't forget that petrol/gas is cheaper elsewhere.
Road tax, vehicle excise duty, hmm. A Veyron emits 550 g/km of CO2 or thereabouts, a McLaren MP4-12C emits about 280g, which for a car producing 600bhp is pretty good. I remember some man from McLaren say that the new car emits less CO2 per hp than a Prius, hmm.
What happened to your video rant against the BBC? Did they get to you? Did they send Jeremy Clarkson and the Stig to silence you?
This episode was uploaded 2 yrs ago.It seems so funny that since then the gas-guzzling "antichrist" SUV has a hybrid version too.Yes...there is a Porsche Cayenne Hybrid. :))
someone explain: why is plug-in better than hybrid ?
because you get to plug in your car at night if you want to, and as such have a better overall energy efficiency.
No drivetrain is without loss; say you have 100 units of energy to spend: if you use your electric engine only, you will restore, say, 95 units on the road (the rest is lost in the drivetrain/tires friction etc). That is therefore a 95% efficiency. But if you use your ICE as a generator, then the efficiency drops down the drain. Even the engines in Toyota's HSD drivetrains cannot get more than 45% efficiency...
Which means that for 100 units of petrol energy you will never get better than 45 units back "to the road". That is how efficient electric powertrains are compared to ICE powertrains!
And electricity is way cheaper than petrol to boot... What's not to like?
Side note: the fact that Toyota's engines on HSD powertrains are so efficient is because they use the Miller cycle, which is more efficient than the classic Otto cycle used by the vast majority of petrol engines out there. For the vast majority of powertrains out there, the efficiency is in fact closer to 30-35%!
Charging your car with brown coal and atomic energy isn't very ecofriendly in my eyes.
*sigh* That non argument again. Tell me, you _are_ aware that the petrol refinement process also uses that same brown coal and atomic energy, right?
Oh, and nuclear fission does not produce CO2, by the way.
Francis Galiegue
I said ecofriendly. Are atomic power plants ecofriendly in your eyes? Where do you think does the fissionable material come from? Do you think it's emission-free to extract it?
Most of the Chinese people have electric motorcycles because they can't afford a proper car. Now just take a look at their environmental status. Do they really benefit from driving emission-free?
JackoBanon1 no energy producing plant is eco friendly; it costs energy to create solar panels, etc etc.
But if we are to compare the usable life of an energy source with regards to its initial production cost, then on the long term it comes right after the "renewable" resources (solar, wind, hydroelectric), and that is long term.
In a medium term, nuclear power wins. There is, of course, the problem of wastes, but as particle physics improves, new ways to deal with the waste are bound to crop up. Heck, even today, it is unknown to the general public what you can already _do_ with it. The general public only ever has been exposed to the grandiloquent (and scientifically inaccurate) speeches from environmental activists.
As to electric motorcycles in China, blame their electric production mix which is largely coal based. Nevertheless, this is not a reason to stop using electric transport; on the opposite, it is all the more a reason to promote them: recall that crude oil processing requires huge amounts of electricity too.
Electric power is the only viable way of using energy directly from the source, even if that source is dirty. Over time, sources will only get cleaner worldwide, therefore electric transport will only get cleaner over time as well. And no other means of transport, past, present or future, can boast that.
This is basic physics.
1.8? I thought the prius was a 1.5
Robert, how about a direct comparison against the corolla on which this car appears to be based? Does it weigh more/less? Where do the batteries go and what, if any, changed have bern made to the prius drivetrain? More tech, less musing about girls names please. If I was looking for fluff I could just turn on top gear...
First comment =P
What happened to the picture quality?
Different gallons
Sorry, I disagree. I like the fluff, it balances the whole video and keeps it light and amusing. Basically, Robert's video is a pointer in the right direction, so you can then go to the Toyota site and do your own research.
A note on running out of petrol/electric charge. You'd need a petrol can to transport the fuel, so why not a spare battery to clip onto an emergency terminal? Just a thought.
563.150 km with one battery pack ? a life longer then a common car motor then
classic toyota
Yin & Yang, Dont dis the gas gusslers, if everyone drove Prius' we would have to pay a lot of tax:(
could you please stop bashing sports cars. They are the ones making hybrid cars: porsche, land rover, audi, mercedes. thanks to the rich kids that technology will get better and we the little ones will get cheap high end tech. in our daily boring cars. Besides, A1 electric from audi is coming out in berlin for some testers next year of so. Think you can check it out for us? would be awesome! maybe a tour in the factory as an extra ;) keep up to good work!
Best do a review on the Toyota's car Tax in 2024.........Talk about being taken to the cleaners 🤑🤑
You seem to not like diesels because you think they are "dirty". Well the latest TDIs from VW are rated SULEV* in California. That makes as clean as the Prius, and more clean than my old Insight hybrid (ULEV)
*Super-Ultra-Low Emission Vehicle
electrictroy2010 Any update on that ?
;-)
Yes but imagine what an idiot you'd feel like if it turned out the Germans were lying to get that rating and had programmed the ECU to know when it was on a rolling road emission test! Then imagine how you'd feel when you found out you had to replace a filter in the exhaust every year at a cost of $1500.
HSD is ridiculous, since it's just "side joined" elec.motor on the transmission. Total misconception of using elec.motor!
First HSD was presented, I thought ICE rotates Motor Generator, which permanently charges battery. And battery powers 4 e.motors, embedded into wheels. Simplest scheme you could create if you have normal engineering mind. But no... we have this sh%%%t and only Tesla shifts this sh%%%ty world a little!