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- čas přidán 5. 09. 2024
- The Daring class, destroyers of the Royal Navy, are today's subject.
Read more about the Daring class here:
www.amazon.co.uk/British-Destroyers-Frigates-Second-World/dp/1526702827
www.amazon.co.uk/British-Naval-Weapons-World-War/dp/1526747677
www.amazon.co.uk/British-Destroyers-History-Development-1892/dp/B0007IZ1L8
www.amazon.co.uk/Tribals-Battles-Darings-Genesis-Destroyer/dp/1526772906
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Next on the list:
-All-big-gun designs
-Daring class
-USS Indianapolis
-Atago/Takao
-HMS Caroline
-Midway class
-Graf Zeppelin
-Bathurst class
-RHS Queen Olga
-HMS Belfast
-Aurora
-Imperator Nikolai I
-USS Helena
-USS Tennesse
-HMNZS New Zealand
-HMS Queen Mary
-USS Marblehead
-New York class
-L-20e
-Abdiel class
-Panserskib (Armoured ship) Rolf Krake
-HMS Victoria
-HMS Charybdis
-Eidsvold class
-IJN “Special” DD's
-SMS Emden
-Ships of Battle of Campeche
-USS England (DE-635)
-Tashkent
-1934A Class
-HMS Plym (K271)
-Siegfried class
Pinned post for Q&A :)
So why were the last two pictures of Battle class ships?
Love your work, would you consider doing a guide to the aurora?
What is your opinion regarding the controversy between Admiral Sampson and Schley at of the battle of Santiago de Cuba?
Would a heavily armored ship, say an Iowa Class, loaded up with anti-missile systems(CIWS, RAM, etc) instead of big guns be effective against modern anti-ship missiles? Idea being they’d act like a shield and take hits meant for a carrier.
I'm trying to understand why the Squid replaced the Hedgehog. It seems like it was heavier, and I'm not sure what pros and cons resulted in it actually being superior. Could you enlighten us?
A ship named "Decoy?" That doesn't sound reassuring for the crew
its a job that requires some daring
1 great comment and 1 hell of a response 😂
If you were in charge of an enemy ship and came across Decoy wouldn't you be worried what you were being decoyed in to.
Probably never caused an argument as much as HMS Pansy did
@@maxkennedy8075 I'm still disappointed that ship never made it into service. Imagine the U boat crew being sunk by a Pansy.
The names of the Australian Ships come from the Scrap Iron Flotilla.
My Grandpa served aboard HMAS Voyager so I want to share some insights from him. He served from 1957-1964 as a gunner.
He said that the Torpedoes were almost always useless and a waste of space (not sure how much of this was bias).
He always talks about how he fired the best shot at one of the Singapore Naval excercises, I’m not sure exactly how far he hit but I believe it was in the order of 18000 yards or more.
Another time their anti-aircraft guns were too good in fact and shot down the manned target plane instead of hitting the target it was towing.
Luckily he barely escaped the disaster in which she was sunk. As he had left the ships company a week before she had been rammed by the HMAS Melbourne.
MuzzCat it was very fortunate but sad he lost a lot of his shipmates
Stories abound of target-towing aircraft signalling "I am pulling this thing not pushing it" when over-enthusiastic gunners got their shots too close. from memory, the 40/60s mostly praticed with bakelite "break up" ammo, with "check fire" being ordered about 3-400 yards. Mostly fired at civvy-flown Meteors from FRADU
And my Father-in-law served as a Mechanical Engineer on the Vendetta on active service during Vietnam. Always speaks so highly of the Ship and crew.
Ian Sadler in all the years I spent firing bofors we never used B.U.S except as a saluting round as it presented no danger. Ballistic rounds or bricks as they were known were used in all gunfire serials unless we got lucky and they let us use H.E.T
Thanks mate for sharing.
I served on Diana, one of the AC ships. Brilliant ship
any great stories?
That's amazing. And thanks for your service it's appreciated :)
Was one of her nicknames Wonder Woman?
From one Veteran to another, Thank You for serving! One question- how did she ride in rough seas?? Seems like she rides well due to her size..
@@colinsdad1 She was a brilliant sea-boat ...
Alright Drac NOW you have to cover the scrap iron flotilla ....... Or us Australians will be very upset 🇦🇺
and the hmas perth
Straya forever
I served for a year in Diana as a Midshipman. She was a wonderful ship with a fantastic crew. During a full power trial she managed 32.5 knots off Okinawa. Off Australia during a fleet exercise we were second in the gun line behind the modern Glamorgan. The latter fired a ranging shot which landed far too close to the on shore observer so she was asked to leave. We fired our ranger and were spot on, subsequently all 6 guns fired 16 rounds in a minute! 96 4.5 bricks in the air almost simultaneously. I was on the bridge at the time, it was exhilarating.
Ironically, it was the two ships sold to Peru that showed how the _Daring_ class could have had much longer and more useful lives in the RN if not for persistent budget problems. Better radar, an improved and enclosed foremast, replacement of the troublesome STAAG mounts with simpler standard 40 mm mounts, and finally, in 1977-1978, with the far more effective two OTO Melara Twin 40 L70 DARDO compact gun mountings, giving the ships some protection against sea skimming missiles. The major addition was eight Exocet missiles during the 1970-1973 refit in Britain before delivery to Peru. Combined with the deletion of the Squid on the stern with a helicopter deck, the two ships really did meet or exceed the reach and firepower of any WWII light cruiser. It's a shame that most RN members of the class had a service life of only about fifteen years.
To be fair 1970s is pretty good for a post war design, 2007 is ridiculous- it's not just the weapons but the ship itself and all its systems will wear out and not be compatible.
@@tomriley5790 There are several _Nimitz_ class carriers that are now over 4 years old, with the name ship approaching 50. As long as ships are regularly overhauled and modernized, the are kind of like B-52's that are now over 60 years old, and some will still be serving at 75. There's not much left on them from 1958, but there's no reason you can't keep, older equipment in good shape with regular maintenance and equipment upgrades. The cost of new weapons systems with anywhere near the capabilities of an upgraded system at a fraction of the cost means we'll see lots of older vessels still in service in the future.
@@sarjim4381 Kind of yes, kind of no, Nimitz carriers are a special case - one thing they were designed for 50 year lifespans. Large amounts of money were spent on the B52s and virtually all the systems have been replaced (not just combat systems) addtionally far far more b52s were made than are still flying - the ones that are still flying were the "Best" of a large bunch (most of which were destroyed due to treaties. Even if you can keep a ship/weapon system going it gets old - for example the modernised standard battleships - everything up to date with radar, aaa etc... still do 21 kts. Similarly 1970s electronics doesn't always sit well. The T23s don't even have a paint locker because they were never supposed to be more than 24 hours from a port - this is not conducive to being in good shape at the end of their design lives. Sometimes it really is better to start again.
@@tomriley5790 It's not just carriers. The _Arleigh Burke_ is already almost 30 years old and is expected to serve until about 2040. Most _Oliver Hazard Perry ships served for 35 or more year before being transferred to other navies, where they are probably good for another 20-25 years. A stupidly designed ship like the T23 or the USN disaster, the _Zumwalt_ class, will retire early because they have no utility. Well designed and maintained ships are routinely going to serve 40-50 years as long as we only have low intensity conflicts to fight,
@@sarjim4381 - Nimitz class carriers were designed for 45-50 year lifespan's from page 1 with period massive SLEP refits. A 2,500 ton destroyer is a very different proposition.
I recall about 15 years ago when the Mexican Navy was trying to figure out what to do with its last two Gearing FRAM destroyers - even older than the Daring's. The hulls needed re-plating, the machinery needed a complete overhaul (they could only make about 25 knots) and the entire electrical system - every wire on the boat - needed replacement, among lots of other things. Could it have been done? Sure. Did it make sense? Absolutely not. Something about new wine in old bottles. It's like that old car you kept too long that spent most of its time in the shop at the end with monthly repair bills and down time exceeding the cost of a new car payment.
For the one one who brought it up, the longest serving OHP frigate in the USN served for 31 years, not 35, but was transferred to Pakistan after overhaul - where obsolete warships go to rot. That particular ship served mostly on anti-narcotics patrols the last decade of its life with most of its weapons removed. The majority of OHP's barely managed 2 decades of service. Obsolescence of the combat systems and complete lack of growth potential made the OHP's by and large rather poor candidates for further service, which is why so many ended up scrapped or sunk as reefs instead, even though they could be had cheap. Many were also in quite poor condition and passed over by potential new suitors.
Lol!... 'the voracious bows of hmas melbourne!'..
During the cold war we sometimes wondered if it wasnt the largest soviet agent!!
Oz ship names were for the ww l vintage v & w destroyers who served gloriosly in wwll , esp in the med with stuart , known as' the scrap iron flotilla!' So impressed was the eastern med fleet that they 'cleared lower decks ' in salute when the flotilla returned to australia for the pacific war.
Mussolinis son Bruno ,in a propaganda broadcast called them the scrap iron flotilla in reference to their age. The aussies played on their slang idiom scrap meaning fight/brawl!,along with their perverse sense of opposites , considered it a badge of honour!, ditto rats of tobruk!!
Well it is second time in my lifetime I heard someone used the word 'voraucious'.... so let me remember the first one:
" In view, a humble vaudevillian veteran, cast vicariously as both
victim and villain by the vicissitudes of Fate. This visage, no mere
veneer of vanity, is it vestige of the vox populi, now vacant, vanished,
as the once vital voice of the verisimilitude now venerates what they
once vilified. However, this valorous visitation of a bygone vexation
stands vivified, and has vowed to vanquish these venal and virulent
vermin vanguarding vice and vouchsafing the violently vicious and
voracious violation of volition. The only verdict is vengeance; a
vendetta held as a votive, not in vain, for the value and veracity of
such shall one day vindicate the vigilant and the virtuous. Verily, this
vichyssoise of verbiage veers most verbose vis-à-vis an introduction,
and so it is my very good honor to meet you and you may call me HMAS Voyager!"
@@grlt23 Brilliant!
V for Vendetta!
@@grlt23 Wow !
@@grlt23 Verily, vermit me to vocate my Vesaurus. ;
Interestingly, the co-option of the enemy's insults has a long British tradition, where no doubt the Australian's acquired this habit.
Thanx for posting this - my Dad served on the HMAS Vendetta in the early-mid 1960's! I went onboard the Vendetta's sister ship, the Vampire, when I visited Sydney about 15 years ago - I phoned my Dad when I was up on the bridge, just to say to him: "You'll never guess where I am Dad!"
I have been aboard the Vampire at the Australian National Maritime Museum in Sydney , where she is tied up alongside HMAS Onslow , an Oberon class submarine . Both are open to the public .
For a second, I read this as HMS Darling. Almost checked my calendar to see if it was April and we finally got a video on the Blackadder-class.
The HMAS Vendetta was the only Australian non Adams class DDG to serve in the Vietnam conflict.
Our first deployment on the Gun Line we had a call for close support with yanks ashore. After the engagement the yanks came back to us and congratulated the Cruiser on our gunnery.
Great ships and the last gunboats.
Radio Operator 69/70 deployment.
"Cruiser"? Destroyer, you mean?
@@wanderer651952 That's the point, the Americans were so impressed with Vendetta's gunnery they thought she was a cruiser.
@@mortified776 My apologies. I misunderstood. They were less impressed when one of our then Oberon-class diesel-electric submarines surfaced next to a U.S. carrier during an exercise and announced:
"BANG! You're dead." (Or words to that effect.) ;
wanderer651952 my old man was in the RAN from 63 - 83 and that story was very common among the sailors. The Yanks were NOT impressed. 😂
@@scottrussell2686 I believe the sub had been ambling along in the 'sonar shadow' between the carrier & another vessel for like a week, even taking a picture of the carrier's props, showing the serial number, thru the periscope, as proof. True or not, it's a great story, & a pure nose-thumbing opportunity. ;
At last one I’ve been on HMAS Vampire.... and the names came from the “Scrap Iron Flotilla “
You can almost hear it
m.czcams.com/video/-F_iMWladNE/video.html
Vampire is a fucking great name for a destroyer.
Ben Clayton me too. It’s at Darling Harbour. Mighty impressed that it’s guns could bombard Parramatta from its current berth.
Francesco Nicoletti yes...and they are only 4.5’s the loading gear looked huge, can’t even conceive what 16’s or 18’s would look like
@@francesconicoletti2547 Look. Let's be honest. It could only be an improvement to the real estate in Parramatta....
I spent some time on board HMAS Duchess (former HMS Duchess) in December 1974 when I was in the RAN Reserve Cadets (equivalent UK Sea Cadet Corps). HMAS Duchess was serving as a officer training ship at the time with a classroom replacing the after 4.5inch gun turret. Her only armament at that date was 4 x 4.5inch guns and 2 single 40mm bofors guns. HMS Duchess was transferred to Royal Australian Navy to replace the HMAS Voyager sunk in collision with light fleet carrier HMAS Melbourne.
My dad was one of the original RAN crew
Geoffrey Mowbray - And I seem to remember HMAS DUCHESS punched a 4.5 inch hole through an A Turret barrel. Now I wonder how you do that?
remained alongside at Garden Island undergoing leave
and maintenance before undertaking a regular exercise program in the
East Australia Exercise Area in July 1972. On 25 July, was at sea carrying out surface and anti-aircraft firings before joining on
rescue destroyer duties. At 12:35, during a surface firing run, a
4.5-inch round from ‘B’ turret hit the right-hand barrel of ‘A’ turret,
which had ‘run away’ to maximum elevation, and holed the barrel.
Fortunately, there were no injuries and the ship was able to complete
the exercise before heading back to Sydney for repairs and a Board of
Enquiry.
Hi Geoff, long time between drinks in Geelong, Canberra and Newcastle!
Best looking destroyer ever!
Always liked the look of the Fletchers, myself.
I know where the RAN ships got their name, the “Scrap Iron Flotilla” during WW2. A nickname since the destroyers from that flotilla have been in service since WW1ish
True, WW1 vintage but it was Goebels nickname for them in his propaganda broadcasts, along with "Rats of Tobruk"
I'm surprised the Aussies didn't rename "Duchess" to commemorate the "Chook" when they actually purchased her.
For extra points... where is the location of the only preserved Daring Class Destroyer left?
@@rodneyholland1867 The Australian Maritime Museum , Darling Harbour , Sydney.
Ian Sadler the name Waterhen was already in use as a Patrol Boat and Minewarfare shore establishment in Sydney, that commissioned in 1962, two years before the Voyager collision.
The crew of the Dainty must of got some stick at some point. You can imagine all the Dainty comments and references 🤣 😂
I believe they had a ferocious reputation. Think 'boy named Sue'.
@@stephaniewilson3955 Exactly. It's traditionally good for destroyer crews to have a chip on their shoulder.
What about the crew of HMS Delight?
Stephanie Wilson ,Thinking till the day I die.🙄
I guess HMS Doily was taken. Seriously HMS Dainty sounds like a campy joke name meant for a ship in a bawdy West End musical. Though maybe the thought was if HMS Dainty sank something the other side would give up under threat of a press release that their navy had lost a ship to a ship called Dainty.
I served ion both Vendetta and Vampire, in the RAN. Best class of destroyer ever built.
Handsome little ship.
You'd never get me in one. ( claustrophobic), but since you told me the sad fate of the Melbourne , of which I was not aware, and I only build models of ships that were sunk
She's now on my list of to do, after I finish my. 1/350 Linberg Hood.
I know, I know Linberg, but I'm using the trumpeter upscale parts and as I'm creating the initial explosion to spend 130 or so dollars for a lot of detail that will be covered in illuminated fire and smoke I felt it wasn't worth it.
My place burnt down two months ago while I was not home.
The fire Department suspects it was a fault in the old aluminum wires.
I lost every thing, so I'm starting from scratch.
I only mention this because I want to honour nipper my companion of 14 years who I lost in the fire.
He's the dog in my pic.
I miss him dearly and take some comfort in preserving his memory, even if its just In an obscure post on my favorite place on the entire net.
My condolences, sad to lose a companion before their time. Sadly we have had many go from puppy to end, they just don't live as long as we do.
@@westcoaststacker569 ;
Yes it hurts, but as I look it I didnt bring him into the world, we met by accident, all I could do was give him as good of life as possible in exchange for the love and compainship he so freely gave me
HMS Dainty, only the RN would name a warship that.
Yeah, because HMS Pansy, HMS Gay Viking and HMS Spanker are so much better XD
This is a problem when you have more ships than there is nouns in vocabulary ;)
I remember back in the 1950s seeing HMS Dainty tied up along side the Yank ship USS Ponce how about that then
@@grlt23 don't forget HMS Cockchafer
@@stanjenkinson4520 Being a "Yank", to me Ponce is either a Spanish surname or a city on the south coast of Puerto Rico. I never knew the British meaning. HMS Dainty tied up to USS Ponce must have gotten some grins.
"the voracious bows of HMAS Melbourne" 🤣🤣 savage
With due respect to the Melbourne, it's probably fairer to say of her that she didn't suffer fools gladly; or indeed at all. You dangerously cross her bows to assume guard station, you handle the consequences.
And the Evans did that three times in two nights. Third time's the charm.
@@notshapedforsportivetricks2912 no disrespect to Melbourne. Common sense would dictate that it's generally a bad idea for a Mini to carve up a Mack truck. For this to happen twice to the same vessel is extremely unlikely, so you can see how she earnt the 'cursed' label. However, that's the thing about very improbable events - they happen. It's humans that get all superstitious about them when they do.
@@jamesw17 Sadly, in both the Voyager and Evans cases, the Melbourne's captains were scapegoated.
@@notshapedforsportivetricks2912 Whilst serving in Leander Class AJAX, 1965/66..........we were exercising with MELBOURNE and I remember thinking, "I hope the Skipper keeps us well away from THAT".
Suggestion for Drach......if not already done.............how about the Type 14..........small, uncomfortable, but usually ridicuously "happy" little ships.
Last ships large ships to be fitted with an Open bridge. Although the early Ton Class, Mirrless powered , Minesweepers were also Open Bridge. The change being necessary for NBCD warfare.
The bridges were enclosed on the Aussie ships in the 70s
Wonderful ships, served the last commission (67-69) on the Diamond D35 . Standing in front of a Foster Wheeler dual furnace superheated boiler (650psi) as a young 16 year old lad, especially during a full power trial run was quite an experience , BTW. That was in the days when you could join the RN at 15 !
PS: Remember , "Diamonds are Forever" :o)
HMS Diamond was harbour training ship in Portsmouth for several years. I served on her in 1977 for about 6 months as buffers party when I finished my basic training as a JREM. We were billeted at HMS Sultan the stokers training college and bussed out each day to a PAS boat to reach her tied up to buoys in the harbour with HMS Russel.
Learnt more seamanship in that short time that stood me well for the rest of my career and even more use in later life sailing on some Tall Ships with the STA.
Surely we get a video on the various collisions of HMAS Melbourne
Brock Bayley. Two only 2.
@@docw1819 If its more than 1 its collisions and it would be nice to have Drach do that video :D
She backed over an American ship in port at some point to.
No videos, but...
HMAS Melbourne with HMAS Voyager and HMAS Vendetta:
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and
Bow of HMAS Melbourne, after night-time collision with HMAS Voyager:
www.navy.gov.au/sites/default/files/The%20bow%20of%20HMAS%20Melbourne%20following%20the%20Voyager%20disaster%20in%20February%201964..jpg .
An artist's impression of the collision:
lh3.ggpht.com/-YBUZ51HVtHg/UviNYhLoVhI/AAAAAAAADqs/OGHixfd8o_k/melbourne-voyager-collision_thumb%25255B1%25255D.jpg?imgmax=800 .
A tragic event, with Voyager survivors still suffering, to this day.
Fleet: Send in the Decoy!!!
My uncle John was in the Melbourne when it ran over the Voyager. He lost a couple of his mates in that. I think he was there when they ran over the USS Frank E. Evans too.
The Aussie ships were named after the "Scrap Iron Flotilla" from WW2, served 2yrs with HMAS Vendetta on the Gun-line, Vietnam doing what she was built for, destroying
6:04 I had to double-check: that's HMS Dunkirk (D09) - a Battle-class destroyer. I know they're mentioned earlier in the vid, but it seems a bit incongruous.
I spent two odd years on HMS decoy. 1963 to 1965 Did a work up at Portland. The speed trial took place one stormy day left Portland in the morning
gradually tuning the boilers up to pass the mile markers off looe in Cornwall doing a respectable 32 knots in the face off a full gale !. I
still get the hairs on the back of my neck standing out thinking of the assume raw power unleashed. You could not stand on the quarterdeck
unaided with the gyrations of the deck with a lot of water around We did a 10 mile turn at full speed in Mounts bay off Penzance to return passed the markers at
over 34 knots. you could light a fag on the deck as we were doing the same speed as the gale and surfing . Back anchored up in time at Portland for the evening culinary delights of the RN.
The Seacat launchers had been removed by 1963. I worked on the MRS3 radar gunnery control system. First computer I saw. Consummed 40kw and was about 20 odd feet long and as tall
as me. An electrician had the onerous task of testing the thousands of thermionic electronic valves full time. Fast top heavy, well made ship with an open bridge, heavily armed
Spent a year in the west Indies on her. and a winter up between Iceland and Scotland exercising submarines. More stories to tell !
What took longer the design phase or finding enough relevant names beginning with D. Lets hope they never get around to Q.
Also, imagine being posted to a destroyer named 'Decoy'.
Quadrant, Quiberon, Quickmatch, Queensborough. Australian "Q" class destroyers of the 1960s.
They would name them all after queens if they ever got to Q.
HMS Quidditch or we riot?!
@@billdaley1714 HMS Q-Ship
*Concepts*
- HMS _Quicksilver_
- HMS _Quintessence_
- HMS _Quantum_
- HMS _Quality_
- HMS _Quadratic_
- HMS _Quadrant_
- HMS _Quickfire_
- HMS _Queensland_
- HMS _Quebec_
- HMS _Quayside_
- HMS _Quiver_
- HMS _Quake_
- HMS _Quarrel_
- HMS _Quaternary_
- HMS _Quartermaster_
- HMS _Queen of the Commonwealth_
- HMS _Quartz_
- HMS _Quiberon_
- HMS _Queen Matilda_
- HMS _Quasar_
Poggers laundry and cooking equipment
Always nice to have good morale among the ships crew
Not only morale, but also disease prevention. Something as trivial as Salmonella can easily take a few dozen men out of action for a few days, even if it's not deadly by itself can lead to serious consequences on an active warship.
@@Dr_V Well salmonella is rarely deadly, about 1 in 3200 in the US, if a fresh recruit gets it well they also have severe sea sickness that could put them in serious danger.
Both HMAS Voyager and USS Frank E Evans were tragic loses, good ships with good crews.
Those that go down to the sea in ships...
The Evans was the first US Navy ship to embark members of the same family since the Sullivan brothers went down on the Juneau. Fortunately both father and son survived.
Really interesting - my Dad served on HMS Diana, he said it was the greatest ship he served on.
Hey, finally one I've been on. I've looked around HMAS Vampire a few times at the Sydney maritime museum
HMAS Duchess my first draft in the RAN. 1967.
My first ship in 67 Diana was on her for 2.5 yrs
Always liked the design of this class. My brother served on HMAS Vampire which is now in the Naval Museum in Sydney harbor.
On the expansion of naval classes, the Arleigh Burke class destroyers are nearly the length of Omaha light cruisers, which are longer than some early dreadnoughts.
My old man was on the Waterhen as one of the Tobruk Ferry as one of the soldiers she carried. They embarked from Mersa Matruh, where the deep water was so close to the shore that they only needed a gangplank from the beach.
They sailed "Decoy" over "Dragon"?!I! Son, your ship really is THE Decoy.
HMS Daring ... I had that as an Airfix kit, many years ago now.
'Daring', or was it 'Cossack'?
As a US Navy veteran, I really enjoy your videos. Keep up the good work.
Kind of shocked Dr. Clarke didn’t try to persuade Drachinifel to let him do the dubbing.
waterhen went on to become the name of an RAN shore establishment.
Used to live round the corner.
HMAS Platypus was the submarine base in Sydney Harbour, at Neutral Bay. Worked there in the mid-80s. Civilian.
@@wanderer651952 thanks couldnt remember exactly which one. must be worth a fortune now, sell it and get a new submarine.
@@TheWareek It's now the site of some massive, probably massively over-priced unit development, and has been for some years. Stupid ... finest harbour in the world, gradually being completely de-militarized.
Every decade, someone has the bright idea of selling off the naval dockyard and drydock at Garden Island.
Always gets shot down.
@@wanderer651952 like to know who thought it would be a good idea to call the base in the west garden Island , you think they could have renamed it.
Been waiting for this destroyer class for a long time. What great ships the Daring Destroyers were! My favorite Royal Navy ships.
Question: would these ships have been useful in the Falklands War? They had impressive shore bombardment capacity and that AA outfit might have been effective against low flying aircraft in San Carlos water.
Only if upgraded a lot.
I have no doubt that they would have been more effective at AA at SanCarlos than type 21 and county class. Almost certainly more effective than rapier mk1 as well.
Only if they absorbed a missile intended for a more valuable ship. WWII era AA systems just couldn’t track jet speed aircraft.
The exocet missiles would have made short work of them.
@@briansmithwins type 21 and county class could neither track or shoot down low level aircraft in the confined inlet of San Carlos. The Darings would have stood much more chance of downing skyhawks due to their weight of fire. Bofors shot down 262s at the end of ww2.
I'm not saying that they would have been great, just better.
That's one good looking ship!
No three Darings were the same. They were a mix of AC or DC ships. 4 had Babcox and Wllcox Twin furnace boilers and 4 Foster Wheeler 4 had English Electric Gearboxes and 4 MAAG gear boxes from a Swizz firm. The best were AC Babcox and MAGG and they were the Decoy and the Diana both sold to the Peruvian Navy after refit at Camel Lairds in Birkenhead I was a Mech1 lent to Camel Lairds to help commission them. In 1972 I think it was.
I got to visit Vampire on one of our port calls to Australia. She was very well cared for and they had a neat video showcasing the guns in an anti air against jets. The entire museum is really nice and should definitely be on anyone's list visiting the area.
On another note this was also the visit where one of the guys in my division was permanently banned from ever setting foot on Australian soil again. It's an interesting story for sure...
HMAS Vampire was open to the public at sydney maritime museum
Destroyer displacement:
WW1: 1,500 tonnes
WW2: 2,800 tonnes
Now: 10,000 tonnes
Or if you're Japan: 30,000 tonnes.
Galactic Empire: I’m not nerdy enough to know the mass of an ISD but I’m sure it’s big.
HMAS Melbourne, sunk more ships than any other Australian Navy ship. Admittedly one was our own and one was an allied, but she was a good ramming things!!!
Should have been fitted with a ram bow!
@@johnshepherd8687 she did pretty good without one hay.
You really know how to make a guy feel old, I remember seeing some of these ships when they came to Fremantle in the late 70s alongside the River class escort destroyers. Back in those days the public was able to tour selected ships when they were in harbour, even some foreign ships. ow times have changed.
Vampire, Vendetta, Voyager and Waterhen were V and W class destroyers transferred to the RAN in the 30's. The Australian Daring class were to be named after them.
The last two slides are of HMS Dunkirk (D09); a Battle Class destroyer.
HMS Daring visited our school, docking in front of our boarding house, in Wilhelmshaven, in the mid 1950s. I toured the ship, with other pupils. I went to the British Forces School, Prince Rupert School from 1954 to 1957.
thank you for your work ,I enjoy the videos
I spent my formative years in Portsmouth and one of my friends had a father in the Royal Navy- an officer on HMS Dainty. He was, in fact, Canadian but I think I only met him once as he was away at sea. He was in uniform when we met.
And Australia bought Duchess (only added an "A" to her name HMAS Duchess) to replace Voyager when she was sunk.
Absolutely beautiful ships, and the crews were really "Gung ho", lmao!! I would describe them as hi-speed cruise ships. Have great memories of all these ships (Vamps, Vend & Duchess).
Thanks for posting
Great ship with spicific design
Hi! I suddenly feel old! I worked on these boats in the last years of their life.
Good video, thank you.
I worked on HMS Daring in Devonport Dockyard in the Boiler room next to the Quadrangle in the tug basin, and it was my introduction to Asbestos, as it was like a
snow storm of small pieces coming from above, and Harold the fitter said to me, "this is not right", this was mid 1960's, and he was correct.
When I joined the Navy in the Early 1970's Diamond was one of the harbour training ships moored in pompey harbour along with the Russel. Don't know how long they were there after that, I joined subs and had a great career in Guzz.
Thank you Drach, its a very quiet Saturday evening and I have been waiting for something decent to watch
I served on D114 Defender a good crew and skipper as a TAS rate
Vendetta sounds like a cool name for a Star Destroyer.
Vampire was the first warship I ever saw or went on. Wonderful ships.
Love the 2 dual overcompersator mk1s on the front there.
Yes that's right son. I served on the HMS Dainty. What of it?
I have seen more than one reference to *HMAS Vampire* & *HMS Decoy* having been briefly fitted with SEACAT missiles at some point in their service.
1961-2 seacat trials out of Devonport
My father served on HMS DARING. Chief Petty Officer Ivor Laggan.
Now of course Daring is the name of one of the RN’s newest destroyers
Not a Frigate the RN's Current Type 45 Destroyers are also known as The Daring Class.
Darings or D-class are destroyers. Frigates are Duke class and future ones are City class. The latter bugs me horribly due to one being named HMS Belfast, leading to them now naming the Town class cruiser museum ship "HMS Belfast (1938)" for some reason, rather than renaming future frigate.
@@Wanys123 the first of the Type 26 frigates (HMS Glasgow) is now on its last large section in the construction phase
Imagine if the RN had recieved all 12 originally planned Type 45s, there could have been:
D32 - Daring
D33 - Dauntless
D34 - Diamond
D35 - Dragon
D36 - Defender
D37 - Duncan
D38 - Desperate
D39 - Dainty
D40 - Delight
D41 - Desire
D42 - Diana
D43 - Duchess
Or maybe the better names would have been from: Demon, Dervish, Druid, Dogstar, Despatch, Diomede, Dryad, Dagger, Defiance, Destruction, Devestation, Dextrous, Dilligent, Discovery, or Drake (could have had a different dragon bow art!).
Thanks for vid. As a kid, HMS Daring was my favourite Arfix kit. From 6:00 on; D09 is Battle Class destroyer HMS Dunkirk me thinks.
Decoy, Dainty and Desperate are my new favorite destroyer names.
Whoever picked the names apparently was Desperate , Daring & Demonic. Decoy is my favorite too. Her sailors would have balls of brass. But really: "What's the name of your destroyer?" "Dainty." " ... umm, okay."
I still have the Triang Minic Daring and Diana I got for Christmas in about 1968.
I swear, @01:30 the guy looking at the camera looks like Drach XD
Nice video once again, I liked the phots of HMS Dunkirk D09, of the Battle class thrown in for comparison. The Diamond was harbor training ship at Priddies Hard when I was in training at HMS Collingwood in '77 alongside the type 14 HMS Russel.By then her foremast had been removed, due to rot I believe. she went for scrap in 1981.
DRAC, please check the intro music volume . Its now very low, & I think it was last week as well....oh well suppose i could raise the volume until you start the show. My apologies good sir. Please continue .
The ship shown from 6mins D09 is the Battle class destroyer HMS Dunkirk!
My son did a speech on HMAS Voyager and it’s tragic loss for a school competition
Gorgeous ships. Did harbour based training in Diamond.
Me too, 1979 while training at HMS Collingwood.
Thanks👍
Very pretty ship. I seem to remember building an Airfix model of this in the early 70s.
I had that kit as well.
HMS Cossack was the one I had.
I can add that Duchess went to the Australian navy too after the tragic loss of the RAN’s Daring Class destroyer HMAS Voyager after her collision with the aircraft carrier HMAS Melbourne on the night of 10 February 1964.
Nice shot of a “Battle Class (D09)
I was going to comment on that, too. Incidentally, the RAN had two (HMAS Anzac & Tobruk) Battle class with Mk6 mounts.
I'd never heard of the Scrap Iron Flotilla...Cool.
What I like about the daring class and even the battle class, was that it looked very modern, ahead of its time. For example the main guns looked quite modern and sleek.
Great video. It's good to be mindful of our ships. I was in the Navy, too. Best wishes from Russia.
Doctor Clarke must be so happy with this new video. Very cool ships. The RN should have completed the 3 Tiger-class cruisers in the early 1950s to the Daring-class weapons load out -- perhaps having four twin 4.5-inch turrets for a powerful surface and anti-aircraft gun battery, which combined with torpedoes would have made them a viable threat to Soviet cruisers while being to handily take on the warships of Third World nations. Primary mission would be the "showing the flag" presence and policing missions of the 1950-70s.
DK Brown in his book "Rebuilding the Royal Navy" covers the various options that were discussed for the Tigers. Main problem is that as 11,000 ton full load cruisers, having just 8 destroyer guns would be seen as ridiculously under-armed when the similar size Crown Colony class carried 9 x 6" and 8 x 4". Yes, the 4.5" would fire much faster and be useful for AA, but perception matters.
And at this time surface to surface missiles weren't really a thing, at least for Western navies. Good though the 4.5" gun was/is, it didn't have the range and hitting power of a 6" if the ship got into a gunfight with a Soviet cruiser.
DAINTY? Now there's a fearsome name.
My father and an uncle served on HMS Daring during the 1952 commission
Apparently Mountbatten changed the aft (?) funnel for a cruiser's, but I haven't seen any photographic information that clearly shows this.
It was quite an eventful tour of the Mediterranean having been redirected to search for the crashed DH Comet passenger airliner, and then was the first on the scene for the earthquake relief aid of Cephalonia.
Do they know Chief Petty Officer Ivor Laggan on Daring. He is my dad but he passed 2 years back 90 years old. If you find this please reply😮😮😮😮😮😮👌😉
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Unfortunately my father and uncle have passed away.
Wish I could say for sure.
Possibly or more correctly, am sure they would have known him if he was on the 1953 commission, even if only by name.
My father served on HMS Daring during the 1952 commission. He often spoke about Mountbatten and of Malta.
@@peterblyth5500 my dad did to they must have served together🤔
@@peterblyth5500 i got all his papers.
Crew based improvements...... like a laundry!
HMAS Melbourne ultimate teamkiller if they ever put it in WOWS that could be a fun tradition to uphold
A little unkind to the Melbin. Voyager's skipper was, sadly, a drunk, and he directed Voyager to cut directly across Melbin's bows during exercises. Given the size of Melbin, she had little chance to avoid Voyager and the rest is history. By any and indeed every measure, and there are several, Voyager's skipper was in the wrong.
The Melbourne was the only aircraft carrier at the time to post her ability to manveoure.
Thank you, most excellent!
i'm still at Jervis
Jep... quite a struggle there...
Struggle? The Jervis is awesome - a keeper. She bullies other DDs.
best dd line in game
LOL... I'm Gallant. 4 more tiers to go!
fitting that Daring, Diamond, and Defender now grace the seas again as the most advanced Air Defense Destroyers the Royal Navy has ever had
Those HMAS names come from the older V/W class destroyers the Aussies were using in the second world war didn’t they?
Max kennedy correct.
Nice video Drach. These are some very powerful DD's
Imagine the RN having several flotilla's of these ships in 1939
I did saw vampire when I visit Sydney for family trip years ago
I thought vampire was named after ww2 destroyer but in naval legends video there is the truth if anyone watched it
vampie 1 was sunk by Japanese dive bombers on 9th april 1942
Al T I played battlestation that’s how what happened to ww2 destroyer vampire