Vinland Saga - Is this Valhalla? (Spoilers)
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- čas přidán 8. 08. 2022
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Hauntingly beautiful
i am crying, this will be animated today.
We all like a good revenge tale. But a story of redemption and rebirth is much more beautiful.
Vinland has always been Thorfinns true dream, but after his fathers death he gave up on it.
Sooooooooo perfect
alot more profound too, it really talks about the ills of humanity and how incredibly hard it is to escape from. I'll be rooting for thorfinn, he's fighting against human history itself.
one of my favorite parts of the story. thorfinn is not a bad person but willingly killed people for his fathers death believing he was justified. heartbreaking but empowering to see him climb with this weight, to take them to a better place so they can rest.
Well said. This was also one of my favorite moments in the story.
No he was a definitely a bad person. That’s why this is so powerful. Despite the guilt and pain holding him down he continues to climb higher and rise from his dark past
@@haydenrhead7692 I wouldn’t say “bad” but he was thrown into this situation and allowed his rage and hatred to consume him, not caring how many bodies he racked up along the way. He has a good heart but was corrupted by war and brutal nature of the times
He was a bad person though. People are still dead because of him regardless of his tragic backstory. But he changed. The farmland arc is him coming to the realization of how wrong he was and the shame of having destroyed so many lives with his rage and anger. He wants to be someone better than he was.
He was evil, extremely evil
He changed
What makes this so beautiful, is this is honestly what Askeladd was essentially telling Thorfinn in his final moments. To move on and not "stay in a boring place like this." And to "go beyond the world Thors went."
He was trying to tell Thorfinn to change his life and become a true warrior. Only now does Thorfinn understand him, and it's fucking powerful. To have two men who spent their lives as Vikings tell Thorfinn to abandon it and become a true warrior. Such different men, Askeladd and Thors, who came to the same conclusion.
Vinland Saga is one of the greatest stories of all time.
Askeladd dropping down to fight to protect thorfin as he climbs honestly makes me tear up
words can't describe how much this manga means to me and how much i relate to thorfinn. not just one of the best manga, but one of the best stories i've ever read too.
I feel you. It’s definitely a life-changing manga
did your father get killed and you had to go years of your life avenging him by getting revenge on the person that murdered him too?
@@stephaniejohnson5361 yeah what gave it away?
@@blake4249 "he's just like me fr fr"
yes, this guilt, this pain, that haunts us, does not necessarily have to do with "killing people" but that we feel it, we are human, thorffin goes through this after all the turmoil that was his life, only now that he could stop to realize this, this is the daily struggle of a person who wants to be better, yes it teaches and shows a lot, that's why the manga is so good
I love how Askeladd is like a second father to Thorfinn, I know he deep down Askeladd loved Thorfinn
More the teacher Thorfinn learned a lot from him
I don't think that he loved Thorfinn but he did hope he would escape the place of warriors, maybe because he reminds him of himself when he became a warrior. Clearly Askeladd, despite his actions, hated the warriors legacy and wanted to return back to his innocent days. You can spot thet he is a really mature child actually. His dream of finding the big hero who would save his country and the hatred for the Saxons and Vikings shows that he still has some of his childhood's characteristics. However we know he just couldn't resist the lust for power his father nad later he inherited. In the end Askeladd was another victim of his time and he became a monster, a criminal and a murderer, killing thousands and never being able to escape the real world. But he sees to Thorfinn the chance to escape the world of vikings and really wanted him to do so.
Love?? You kidding right?? Thats not love. He just want this kid to do better. Cause he himself is not a better person. Even he is one of the worst person. Look for his word when he say he cant become the king no matter how good his lineage. He is monster. Askeladd is monster. And he want this kid thorffin to do better be better but this kid thorffin cant even learn that even after see askeladd die. He still try to guide this kid in his last breath and he still cant understand. Thats not love. If i must say, askeladd just have a pity for thorffin. People like askeladd have too abstract vision of love. And i thnik love is not the best word to describe what askeladd do.
@@NurAini-ep8wm Askellad see himself in Thorfinn but he already know that Thorfinn was better than him when Thorfinn was trying to kill him in his sleep but decided to not doing is revenge that way.
I truly believe that Askellad loves Thorfinn like the son he never have but Askellad don’t know what love is really about because he don’t love himself at all.
He understand this when he was dying , with his final breath he understand that he has love for Thorfinn like a father it’s why he said « I truly hate kids »
And this is also a good projection of what the priest was saying « death is true love »
Askellad understand love the moment he give up his life. Poetic
derp down
Came back here after this part got animated. Absolutely brilliant....
And MAPPA did it justice 🔥🔥
This scene broke me 3 times, once when I saw Björn, once when I reliesed the one who is greeting Thorfinn is Askeladd and once when I realised Thorkell is fighting for this. I know this is only Thorfinns dream, but we dont know whats ,,Valhalla,, and where they go, but just the idea that there is a chance they only fight to suffer is heartbreaking
The cruelly awful thing is Thorkell might be the only character in that universe that would genuinely enjoy this world. He looks cheery and comedic, but based off of motive he is one of the most evil characters in the story because he genuinely loves violence and killing. People often thought Askellad was cruel, but he never expressed joy in combat and slaughter, just like Thorfinn.
@@cokecan6169 I dont think so, Thorkell is ,,cruel,, and loves battle and killing only because he thinks this is the way to his dreams. Like when you know you get your favourite food in the store then even if you have to walk a long distance you will do it happy because you see the goal, a good thing. I think its the same for Thorkell, he only does this for Valhalla imo. SPOILER!!!
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Just like his men, they all enjoy fight, going to Valhalla, same as Thorkell, but when they fight the Jomsviking when we see one of his men dying when he realise there is no Valhalla, no glory for warriors ect he starts crying and ask the others to leave and dont die because all of it, the murder and fight in their life was worthless.
@@notgojo491 I am up to date. But judging from the fact that he does not want wars to ever end, I am not sure that the darkness behind Valhalla would shake his belief and desire for battle, just like Garm. The promise of Valhalla is just the cherry on top.
The difference with Thorkell and Askeladd is they lived the lives they CHOSE, with HONESTY.
Thorfinn is living a lie. He's eaten away by vengeance and hatred. This is why his depression is so enormous once he realises this. Thorkell and Askeladd don't have this GUILT that Thorfinn has, they are honest warriors.
@@cokecan6169 I don't think Thorkell is evil. He is extremely honest about his desire to fight, he is a nice guy when he is off the battlefield, and he seems like someone who missed his chance at redemption, and he is fully aware of it.
Holy shit the new ep was an absolute masterpiece they cooked SO hard truly peak fiction
This needs to be protected at all cost. Put in a museum
These are the life lessons needed by a boy to become a true man in life
AoT music with Vinland manga panels goes unbelievably hard
One of the moments I can't wait to see animated. I love it so much 😭❤️
Mappa knows what they're doing
I've good news for you
Call me delusional, but this story really shows us the altered reality in our minds that whatever crap you had to go through in life and you can't move on - this is what's happening in our imagination of where your mind is at. You can escape what imprisons you. Only if you allow to give yourself a chance to do so. Some people refuse to be free. Some people feed on the same guilt and don't want to see what other options are given to them and want to stay where they are at and just accept that is their life. Some people manage to break free from what's keeping them from fulfilling their purpose. Everyone has a purpose. Doesn't have to be grand or heroic. It's how you want to live your life and how much you want to give value to your life. Thorfinn wakes up and decides to live.
Well said ❤️
fighting for your nation is not evil nor senseless at all, there is such a thing as a just war or a productive and soul enriching patriotism. It is all about walking on that hard road, of knowing that you cannot just be on one single monomania of beliefs, that you cannot abscond the world or embrace it entirely. After all, God manifested Himself into flesh, as us, complete with our histories, traumas, joys, and temptations, he understood and was even respectful of it too, but he was ultimately above it all. You cannot escape your humanity, with all of its glories and all of its miseries, but you can direct it, both your moments of greatness and years of suffering, to the good in a manner that is charitable, faithful, and humble yet resolute, firm, and hopeful.
I can relate to this so much. I hurt so many people that cared for me in the past 5 years without realizing how I affected them and now I have to let them hang onto me and keep climbing in life fighting my true battle.
carry them with you, that is your cross, that is your responsibility, your obligation to them, to yourself, and to truth.
What I love about this manga is also why many people dislike it.
It's not the classic story of a badass hero that kills all his foes, marries the girl, and lives happy ever after.
It's reality. It's the fact that killing all these people in the end doesn't make you any better, it makes you a murderer who has these killings on his conscience. This is how it is in the real world, and if you behave like the classic shonen hero. This manga is giving a dose of reality to people. I think it especially resonates with young men. Many young men are immature in their early years. It's all about dominating others. Being the top person at sports, being the guy that beats up other guys and dominates them, and being the guys that has sex with as many girls as possible and have a high "body count". That's what it means to be a "Chad" and not be a "loser". It's a zero sum game. But then after 25-30, you realise this lifestyle left you with nothing, just guilt and regret. That's why many of these "chads" end up broken alcoholics later on in life. Their lifestyle becomes pathetic. I could also take the example of the young guys that enlist in the military to "be a chad" and "kill enemies of America". Well all these guys who've been to Iraq or Afghanistan and did that, are now alcoholics, broken, at home. Because they didn't build any useful skills for real society. Real society doesn't want a killer, they just find it despicable. And then you realise all the bullsh.t you thought was "cool" and "alpha" is in actuality meaningless. That's why many veterans kill themselves or find themselves in the bottle. Because they are empty, their value they thought was high is zero. It's where Thorfinn is at in the farm arc. His entire existence is realised to be nonsense and pathetic. But what Thorfinn does is acknowledge that, acknowledge his guilt, and then decide to spend the rest of his life DOING GOOD. That's the true path of a man. Either you kill yourself or end up in a psychiatric asylum or a broken hobo like so many in America, or you move forward and do something with your life that helps society.
Couldn't have said it any better myself. As a kid, after my parents divorced, my father was an alcoholic and spent periods of my life in and out of jail. And when I moved in with him before it got to its worst point, I developed all kinds of terrible thoughts, beliefs, and ignorance. I became an indignant person, who was filled with so much anger and selfishness. And though I was able to change, I have spent my mid to late twenties drinking a lot and hating myself for the person I was. But, three crucial stories have helped me start to slowly and progressively figure out what you have said; Berserk, Vinland Saga, and Vagabond. Vinland Saga being the most impactful, because I see myself in Thorfinn so much. Even down to Askeladd being a father figure that developed a lot of things that made Thorfinn the person he comes to regret. As much as it pains me that I lived a life like that, we only get one life, one period of living to change. And like you said, I need to do good to the world, rather than rot from the inside out. It gives me a small comfort to know that I'm not totally alone. For so long I felt that I didn't deserve to be better and live a better life, but Thorfinn has been able to, and I pray that maybe I can.
@@SefniAsheforr it is great that you saved yourself, that is a mark of a strong person, did you help your father who was hurting too? that is the mark of a great person.
chad has lost its meaning
One of my favourite manga scenes of all times . When he discovered how rotten the concept of Valhalla is to Vikings was simply just astonishing
thorfinn is a good example of humans can indeed change and your past doesnt define you. yes he killed hundreds of innocents in cold blood, who would have believed that if they saw the current thorfinn.
you got me crying dead serious
Thank you! I’m glad the video was really impactful
@@chill1694 me too , thank you
This is one of the most intense part of the story so far, and a life-changing moment for Thorfinn. So beuatiful.
To me, it is also confirming that, deep down, Thorfinn did not really hate Askeladd, but saw him as a mentor, if not as a father figure. This explains why he was not able to kill him: He was not committed enough to keep his head cool and do it. Instead, he relied only in his rage to find a reason to fight the man. Not strangely, Thorfinn was broken when Askeladd made him realizing that.
And, now, Askeladd appears again in his mind, as a projection of the man he was, a bad man who did not allow himself to show love to anyone, not even to his only friend Bjorn. But, in Thorfinn's mind he became a guide, like Virgil driving Dante in the Hell in the Divine Comedy. A guide who said Thorfinn what he needed to hear to start to live again. This was based on what Askeladd tried to tell Thorfinn when he was in life, but it is unlikely that the real Askeladd would have sacrificed himself for him like the one in Thorfinn's dream did.
In sum, this dream tells more on what Thorfinn thought about Askeladd than what Askeladd thought about Thorfinn.
I'm just here to prep myself for next weeks episode. I know I'm going to cry. This is it..
The music and pacing, was just so wonderfully made.
Empty man to Oath is the greatest run of chapters I've read in anything
It begins next week
@@Ash_Wen-li can't wait
A week away from watching this scene and I’m excited glad thorffin broke that dudes jaw with the punch
It already got animated guys!!!
Animation did it all well can’t wait
sûrement l'un des passages les plus importants du manga et l'un de mes moments préféré
One of the most phenomenal parts of a legendary story.
Next weeks episode going crazy , we been waiting 🦍
The most beautiful part of the manga along with the shaman seeing the future of America
Mappa didnt disappoint in this episode bro they gave the scene justice
Can't wait for this to been animated
we getting this masterwork tommorow
this part go animated !!!!
You are back with an awesome video!.
I’m glad you liked it! Thank you for the support
They better make sure the next episode is as good as this
I’m certain that the episode is going to be amazing, but thank you!
They made justice
@@erichfreitas5758 indeed they did
This will be episode 09 season 2 next Monday, can't wait
(very good editing)
The episode is going to be amazing. Also thank you!
dang askelad looking like a proud father
Name checks out .... I got chills
I’m glad to hear that :)
He climbed
God I can’t wait for this to be animated
Just one week left
They did a great job
Just Askeladd being his Askedad
With SNK ost, this one is perfect
My friend told me last ep was peek anime moment... I wonder what then he's gonna say about this coming episode 👀
beautiful music, beautiful chapter. well done
Thank you! :)
Thank you “Chill”
The transitions, timing, and editing arent natural, hella gifted
Thank you so much! That means a lot to me!
Purgatory, basically. I get it.
Looks like Askeladd just chooses/asked to be there😂 so that he can keep watching Thorfinn’s story unfold. Maybe?
*Hell
I think ghosts in Vinland Saga are figments of the imagination
omg this is today
W music choice rspecially the attack on Dina song nobody knows about, also W charcter development
When thorfinn started crying that shit destroyed me...
After was this episode my finger nails hurt😅
I came back to this video after watching episode 9 of the second season. It was phenomenal!!!
BUT YET....I still prefer this version. Your choice in music for this specific part made it more impacting!
Would you consider making a re-edit of this video? Where you slap the same ost on the actual animated episode? Only if it's in your power, of course?
They were both good but I like this one mostly too lol
Anime is good but this is better
Thank you, that really means a lot!
I don’t think I would remake it because I feel paralyzed mentally and that makes simple things take a long time, and I’m also really judgmental of my edits.
I think the edit flowing with the beat of the music makes up for the lack of voice acting and animation. The music they used was amazing, but I just don’t think I could make it work too well in this edit like they did.
2 days until we see this animated
The moment askeladd became askedad
I wonder when we’re going to hear the ost from the first trailer of the second season. cuz I thought they’ll use it for this ep to have some vocal ost
Based Askeladd
"VALHALLA-DA !!!" - Hanma Shuji
The chapter is out and I honestly prefer the manga.
Maybe it's due to my high expectations, because for me this is one of the best moments I've ever seen in a manga or in a story in general and in my opinion it should be a perfect, exact and direct adaptation.
The anime did a good job, but it lacked detail in the drawing and animation, besides the soundtrack and this video is a proof of that.
The songs you chose in this video together with the excellent drawing of the manga are enough to make me feel a lot of emotions and make me cry, while the anime fails in that aspect, I don't feel that weight or emotion in the scenes.
The manga had more impact on me.
im agree, the anime its really good but the manga was something unique
But still...Episode 9 was fantastic in its own right!
i think it has a lot of detail, they even added some scenes to make it more impactful. mainly this show or this season in general is filled with detail>animation, especially this episode. also the episode had some pretty good cuts, like thorfinn finger nails getting scrapped. but ig it all comes down to preference. also the manga has always been a bit better than the anime overall so I’ll give u that but the adaptation of this chapter was on point imo.
アニメで見たら泣ける自信がある😢
you can use vinland's ost they are pretty good also
Yes, Valhalla (after seeing the anime)
So arguably. I always believed this is the Christian Hell and in religion, because of the fact that Thorfinn post marriage his entire family was basically Christian. Ofcourse this is fiction and this is up to interpretation, but that's my personal beliefs, it also matches well with most Christian religious themes and principals with the concept of death and murder, as well as vengeance.
Other anime have depicted the mind this way. When Askeladd mentions the 'real world' he obviously exists within Thorfinn's mind and the law of the mind is very real
Everyone you see exists within the subconscious mind. They are you, but entrants into the domain of the 'real'. A son, a father, a brother, on and on
This is what makes the human being such a dangerous facet of reality. We consider ourselves separate, but in reality, we are the same being manifested at different points in time. Different vessels occupying aspects of the mind. Some aggression, some despair, some gladness, some boldness, haves and have nots. All within the mind, creating illusory factions of status and appeal for the sake of longevity
When you strike out, it is against your brother clad in the skin his mother born him. You would be killing the image of life
today ..
Looks fun doesn’t it? Endless fighting without reason. Sad
People could do so much in life instead of fighting. It’s unfortunate that more people don’t realize that.
@@chill1694 thoose who think fight is bad are ignorant
@@whiteeye9584 If you want something and fight for it its good.
If you fight to fight its bad.
@@zedantXiang kenpachi would said otherwise
@@whiteeye9584 He also doesnt exist.
And he's considered bad by almost everyone.
Who was the crying face with missing teeth that was staring up at Thorfinn? It kind of reminded me of the ear guy but I don't think it's him. Is this a character we've seen before or a random Thorfinn slaughtered?
I like how they added Bjorn to the anime adaptation
In the manga Bjorn also appears, only in this edit he removed the scene to make it more direct, which I like, I love this video.
I wish the anime had a soundtrack like this.
@@MobuThorsNighT0 Ah, alright. I feel like it's a fitting callback so I would've included it myself but still, great scene.
next few episodes...
Just 1 week!!
yeh this is vinland saga but the soudtrack is from atack on titan 😅😅
i feel weird
Is this the next episode in anime? ep9
Yes
this is from the farm arc, right? what episode do you think it will be so i can anticipate.
Yes it is from the Farm Arc. If I had to guess, it might be around episode 10-12.
@@chill1694 I think it'll be 10
Will this be in the new season that is out right now. If so holy shit ill sob
Yeah episode 9
What you think of the episode
I think they did a phenomenal job, and it was very emotional. I was tearing up when an image of Thors appeared in the field after the dream ended.
It was 🔥🔥🔥
My finger nails hurt after this😅
Alright guys I’m confused, please someone explain for my smooth brain is this
1) Hel (Norse) where the unwanted, sick, broken, tainted, dishonored, etc go
2) some abyss where dishonored warriors get sent to
Or
Christian Hell
I don’t believe this place is Valhalla so that rules it out. Thanks in advance guys I’m just dumb asf and my monke brain can’t figure it out
I think it’s technically none of those, as it’s all just a dream in Thorfinn’s head, but like Askeladd said “it’s the real world”.
I think it’s just supposed to show how the real world actually is for these warriors. They could be doing so much productive things and living a happy life, but they are just trapped in a constant battle.
The setting of this battle in his head has meaning too. They’re in the real world, but they are in a deep hole with almost no escape. The constant fighting also gives them no chance to escape since they are in survival mode, and can’t think about what life is like outside of that hole.
Like Askeladd said, becoming empty is what let Thorfinn escape from that place. Thorfinn instantly had his entire life’s purpose shattered at the end of the prologue. After a while of being away from the fighting, he was able to see how it truly was from an outside point of view.
The view of how these warriors are truly living; they are living a terrible life with constant death and suffering.
That’s why I think this place isn’t one of those, but it’s just what war and fighting looks like in the real world to those who have escaped it. Though you might be thinking something similar with your 2nd option.
I don’t know if I’m exactly right, but that’s just what I think.
@@chill1694 i think what you said is beautifully accurately, specially your humility at the end.
Can anyone please tell me where can I find it with this translation ?
The official books have this translation. I don’t know if any other places do though, since I’ve only read it officially.
@@chill1694 ok thanks
Aot ost
Yes! AOT has an amazing soundtrack
@@chill1694 I completely agree
Episode?
It’s episode hasn’t been released yet, but it is from chapter 71.
Well it's episode 9 season 2
which chapter?
71
It just got animated, take a look
Attack on Titan truly is the greatest masterpiece of our generation
Lmao
An old message but one that our world has forgotten or more accurately, has wanted to forget but it will never leave because deep in the hearts of men, they know that there is one correct path, one ultimate desire, and one truth.
Chapter ?
Chapter 71
@@chill1694 What chapter of the manga is the anime currently on?
@@vaioretto5642 chapter 65 I think
its this weeks episode, so ep9
another reason why this manga is preachy about war =bad anger=bad fight=bad
And? It can be preachy if you see it that way but still tell its message in a beautiful way. Agreeing with the message or disagreeing doesn't make any impact on the quality as long as it isn't morally reprehensible
@@rojakishibe7113 but here is the thing, that it is
all that preachy talk made this anime pretentious and stupid and ignorant on topic
such short sighted from you is hilarious
fight not bad, not bad at all, this manga is all about fighting
@@kwazooplayingguardsman5615 not really
@@whiteeye9584 maybe not physical fighting, but fighting against the inclination of man to use violence against their fellow men in malice.
thorfinn beard was done so wrong in the anime