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I can't put Cynthia anywhere below the top 2. I think the series has done a good job of showing she's unquestionably powerful. And she doesn't seem like the type to let the rest of her team slack off. I do find it weird that she has shown a Gastrodon and not a Milotic, though. I'm also a bit disappointed that Ash didn't bring his ultimate team, as well. I know the Journeys team has done well so far, but it's his previous teams that built that reputation to begin with. And I'd like to see what Pikachu, Charizard, Infernape, Greninja, Sceptile, and Snorlax/Krookodile/Lucario could do together.
Cynthia is definitely powerful. As the main character, Ash has had ample opportunity to strut his stuff. Each member of his ultimate team rivals garchomp in strength in my opinion. I think that's where Cynthia falters, her other Pokemon haven't shined as much
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I think Milotic was reserved as an Ace for Wallace
@@ProfessorAlexSilver dont u think that Alain also does the same by relying on MCX..I think Alain and cynthia's position should be interchanged now cynthia even has mega stone
We got robbed of a good showing of Leon's power against Alain. I expect him to lose but the writers made Alain look a complete scrub. In fact it felt like we were watching Pokemon game tournament.
That's the problem with journeys, all the battles are so fast paced like the games. The battle of ash vs leon finale should be a 2 or 3 parter episode otherwise I'm gonna be pre pissed off
That was the point. Alain is a beast, but Leon is different. He beat Lance’s best, and Lance was ranked higher than Alain, so naturally Alain had to put up less of a fight. Now that was TOO little, but that’s how good Leon is.
Personally, I believe Leon’s battles have definitely shown his skill as a trainer He’s the one trainer constantly changes Movesets to get the edge over his opponents, in his few battles we’ve seen him completely outsmart every opponent he’s come across, and he’s been completely undefeated in his entire career. I really wish Journeys had made Leon a far more involved character in the story, even though he’s returned far more than other characters, his presence in the story feels very lacking. I’m happy with what we’ve seen him do, but it can still be better.
@@ProfessorAlexSilver We did, in episode 100 of Journeys, when he tells Ash how impacted he was when he couldn't do anything against Eternamax Eternatus in episode 44.
@@ProfessorAlexSilver Leon showed vulnerability in journeys episode 100 when Ash asked him what's it like to be champion? Leon says "For so long, I was afraid I've never lost a pokemon battle and it scared me." Leon thought he reached his limit and couldn't improve any further to get stronger. Leon batting against the legendary Mugendaina felt helpless and frustrated. Leon is thrilled there are stronger pokemon and trainers out there in the pokemon world that are better than him and wants to battle them believing he can still improve himself to get more stronger.
@@ProfessorAlexSilver I think the issue is the anime doesn't actually show us the impact of the attacks and just pretends a regular Charizard and one shot a mega Charizard with a completely ordinary move. Like megas were able to do crazy things and all of a sudden they're shown to be inferior to the normal form taken out by a normal hit rather than a super charged attack or taking advantage of some ability like solar power.
This Arc has potential to both be good and bad at the same time... I can see the writers rushing just to get to the Ash vs. Leon showdown with not much character development before that. Although, with Cynthia there, the potential is there...
Personally Cynthia is the least trainer that I want to battle Ash because I can not feel the tension between them and Cynthia has the most screen times out of all champion. Her character kinda weak in the anime.
For me, it was a bit of a mixed bag when it comes to character development. On one hand, we have characters like Alain and Lance who lost in the opening episodes and barely had any meaningful interactions with Ash or anyone else. But then we have momets like Iris in tears after losing to Cynthia, and Cynthia considering retiring after the tournament.
Even though we don't see it onscreen, the only reason I give Leon some credit is that despite Alain having onscreen experience going up against numerous Megas and Legendary Pokemon; Leon seems to battle and WIN against trainers who are Elite 4 and Champion level on a seemingly 'regular' basis.
I agree that Leon having plot armour feels really bad and too obvious. Many wanted to see Tobias return but since he not had any real plot beyond beating Ash, he'd feel a bit akward tbh. What annoyed me the most is just how easily Alain was beaten and that even his ace, his mega Charizard just was so fast and easily downed. The rest is a fair mix and I'm already eager to see how it will end. Because if Ash wins this tournament... What next?
@@ProfessorAlexSilver Yeah, would be worth a video! Him winning the Aloloan Championship was already a big WTF?! especially since that team was maybe his weakest.
@@Morte_n I heard the way Ash beat Gladion was also impossible in the game and is only through anime logic. Nonetheless, the only problem I have with Ash's Alola League win is just how anticlimactic it was. I thought it'd be cool if it had went with a final showdown between Z-Moves instead, with Ash using Splintered Stormshards and Gladion with Devastating Drake.
Well I hope by now there is some respect for Diantha. She showcased great strategy in her battle- even the other champions admired it. She’s clearly a lot more stronger than the Kalos episode let on. Definitely stronger than other members of this masters 8
Leon isn’t a bad person or character, but his problem is that he’s a predictable Mary sue. We know he won’t lose until Ash’s battle, and even then his power doesn’t fully feel deserved. This is what the other characters have, and make them fan-favorites, even newer characters like Diantha and Alain.
Which is why I hate that Leon was considered unbeatable in the games and they included that into Master's 8. Because of all the champions who should've been actually Rank 1, the monarch should've been Cynthia. I'm glad they made her rank 2, but I do think Cynthia should be better than Leon generally.
Diana has a full schedule, cuz she's an actress, and champion so the fact that she made it that far in the masters 8 is kinda of impressive, and I feel like your kinda underestimating ash Greninja a little.
I always felt like Leon's status in Journeys was unearned and cheap. What I mean by this is that his reputations as the undefeatable champion feels underserved when he has so little built up. Leon was only introduced in this series yet he is touted as the best champion of them all. That feels undeserving when we have seen other characters like Cynthia, Steven, Lance, etc have had much more build-up over several more years yet they are relegated to lower ranks. Built-up up your character is just good story telling. If you give a character a high level of importance with little build up (ex: Leon) but another character a comparatively lower level of importance with greater build up (ex: Cynthia) people are not going to be happy. It makes it feel like the former character does not deserve their status while later character desires a better status but doesn't get it. It feels like an injustice. And I'm going to use Cynthia as a chief example here because though her you can really see why Leon's status in Journeys as the big boss feels really contrived and unsatisfying. Cynthia was introduced 15 years ago as an unbeatable champion and has had much more screen time to back it up. She has appeared in dozens of episodes across Dimond and Pearl, Black and White AND Journeys. She has appeared in far more episodes than Leon, has a far greater history, and far more examples of her battle prowess being shown. Additionally, it was established 15 years ago that Ash directly aspired to battle and beat her. Defeating Cynthia was part of his dream to become a Pokemon Master and the series showed this. That's why it feels extremely cheap for Leon to show up out of nowhere in Journeys and suddenly be framed as Ash's top goal. His importance, foreshadowing, and history with Ash pales in comparison to Cynthia's yet the story still expects us to treat him as a bigger deal than Cynthia. In fact, Cynthia might have had more appearances in Journeys than Leon did which is to say nothing of her appearance in the older series. That just feels unsatisfying to the audience because it makes Leon's status feel unearned and contrived. And look, I know real life reason why the show frames Leon as Ash's final goal, because it wants to promote the Sword and Shield games. But a real life explanation does not justify bad writing in the story itself. Frankly, I just don't think there was anything the show could have done to make Leon seem like more of a threat than someone like Cynthia because she was established so much easier and earned the respect of the audience that much earlier. Try as they might, Leon just can't compete with 15 years of history, build-up, and foreshadowing. Which is why the show should not have even tired. By all means, make Leon a threat, make him a big deal. But don't make it so he's the final boss of the Pokemon anime. Give that honor to characters like Cynthia, Alain, Lance, Steven, etc who are far more deserving because the anime built them up more for longer. That way Pokemon can have it both ways, Leon gets lots of screentime to promote the new games but the story feels more satisfying because Ash has to defeat better built up and more iconic characters to win. Frankly, I think make a character like Cynthia be the faint boss would have actually made more sense from a meta perspective too since the Diamond and Pearl remakes has only just came out. What better way to get kids into the most recent games than by giving the Champion of those games the most screentime and stats as the best in trainer in the world?
Well it’s true, Ash and Greninja were so close to beating Diantha, that would’ve been the first time Ash defeated a champion from a region but after passing out the win didn’t happen on his end. Cynthia is definitely one of the strongest champions out of the others, she’s never lost a battle once. For Iris, she really gotten stronger over the years since she left the anime for almost a decade, her Dragonite still as tough as ever and her Axew finally evolving. And Lance has some pretty powerful Pokémon too, Dragonite, the red gyrados he caught in the Jotho saga and still has it till this day. I remember about how he used to work for the Pokémon G-Men, a police like organization. His Dragonite knows hyper beam.
Steven Stones truly deserves his spot in the Bronze place. I don't know why people do this to the gentleman when he almost beat Alain. This guy is a powerhouse.
I hope to see Diantha do well so she gets some spotlight (eventually losing to Leon). I do understand people bringing up that she almost lost to Greninja but that battle was more to help figure the bond phenomena out and unlike Alain who's seen it multiple times, it was a first time for Diantha, champion or not, I imagine it would be difficult in universe to counter something that new. Lance honestly is fine, he went from second place to 4th which even tho is a drop down, still means he is strong but doesn't have what it takes to be the best but still deserves all the respect he can get. Iris to me personally seems like the weakest link, not disrespecting her, she's defo a strong trainer but honestly as a champion we have only seen. her fight once with Ash. On that level we have seen Lance and the others do more. Yes Diantha almost lost to Ash his strongest pokemon while a new phenomena popped up, while Iris just lost to Ash, so I feel likes it's a bit unfair to put her above Diantha. Steven always seemed like a strong trainer and defo no push over but I do wish he had more on screen battles. It was nice to see him return in XY but it defo should have given him one more battle to establish him a bit more. Alain has defo proven himself to be strong BUT, also has a similar issue to me as you have with Cynthia. Cynthia was able to sweep Paul with just a single pokemon, she didn't need the rest. And the other times she used her other pokemon they never got to show their power while Alain suffers from a similar issue in a different way, his Charizard is the only pokemon that really got any spotlight, and the rest all had 1 battle which is still something BUT it still is clear his charizard when compared to his other pokemon are in different leagues just like Cynthia's pokemon, but at least her ace imo is an even higher league than Alain's charizard. And while I do agree giving Leon his own mini series would have been amazing to show him off, on the other side, his whole arc revolves around him being so good that none of the battles he has truly excite him as they used to where he worries he never will find someone that can match him so a series with him would just be him taking W's all the time while with Alain we saw his ups and downs.
correct ranking based on consistent feats with no plot armor or nerf: 1. ash (with greninja) 2. alain 3. steven 4. diantha 5. leon 6. cynthia 7. lance 8. iris
I always thought it was cool how they brought back that specific trait Anabel shared with her pokemon being able to command them through telepathy or just quick glances through Diantha but seeing as how her ace almost got beaten only being saved by a timer from a unperfected form made me quite dissapointed, but still hoping to see her redeemed as her fight with lance closes in. (I would have honestly thought Irys and Diantha were on the same level but hopefully we get to see her adapt quickly thanks to her dragon training and battle experience through watching ash's fights) And nice list/ranking!
You did bring up a good point about Cynthia only really having Garchomp as an ultra powerhouse. Garchomp isn't going down anytime soon during a battle but I feel like Cynthia would be in a bit of a pickle if it ever did.
@@garywarburton3124 I think Cynthia wipes the floor with Iris to make an example of how fierce this competition is. Possibly without using Garchomp. Would build up Cynthia's other pokemon too.
Holy shoot, you have Alain way higher than I would've, and Alain's my favorite character. Personally, I'd have him below or equal to Cynthia, and I'd have Iris lower or equal to Diantha or Lance
@@ProfessorAlexSilver when you do I think it’s worth noting how in the battle against darkri, while yes he knocked it out, I think the more impressive feat was a direct ice beam and then dark void not knocking it out… every other Pokémon fainted from one hit even heracross from a 4x resistance fainted from one hit and sceptile took multiple! Plus it’s mental strength got it out of dark void from the literal nightmare Pokémon! That’s impressive! Plus when sceptile gets hit with the ice beam ash grits his teeth and says “sceptile no” because he knows the absolute level that he is at! Can’t wait for your video you do such amazing work
I feel like the problem with Leon is his status as the undefeated champion and the strongest. now there's nothing wrong with that, he's DEFINITELY proven he has earned his spot as the monarch by constantly preparing his charizard's moveset to check/counter his opponents. The closest we've seen him struggle is against Alain, who was the first to knock out any one of his Pokemon - though the fight was WAY too short and deserved its own episode like the rest of the first round is getting. The first half of the episode was one of the best introductions we've gotten to a tournament. Then the battle half happened. The result was fine, how we got there was not.
I think the M8 trainers rankings are pretty interchangeable considering the strength of the trainers, trainer battle styles and the potential Pokemon match ups. I think the final standings of this season was pretty fair although Iris and Ash at 7 and 8 respectively could potentially move up some spots considering they haven’t been in the M8 for very long. Also, at championship level, the small details will matter especially considering all the trainers are very strong. Leon’s Charizard for example just seems to be able to have incredible reaction time; you can totally see this against Alain’s Charizard/malamar and also Flint’s infernape. Diantha seems quite middly. Her mega Gardevoir poses a few issues to quite a few of the trainers in M8. However, Steven and Cynthia seem like top 4 trainers more so because their aces are just simply so so powerful. Alain could potentially move up however he’s suffering from simply having a ‘one man team’. His bisharp was amazing (we’ve not seen it since the Kalos League finals) but he needs to build a stronger group of 3. Finally, Lance looks powerful as well… he would also give anyone problems in any given battle. I think #4 spot his perfect for him.
@@ProfessorAlexSilver the battle format followed by the series gave no justice to those Master 8 that failed to advance for championship. Number of wins against number of loss, the Master with more wins will be declared Champion.
Prior to the tournament, here was what I thought about the Masters 8 rankings: 1. Leon 2. Cynthia 3. Steven Stone 4. Lance 5. Ash 6. Diantha 7. Alain 8. Iris Basically, Ash enters ranked 5th instead of 8th I guess…
Everyone just underestimating diantha. For the record, she was just observing ash greninja back then. She was just spamming shadow ball but heck she could just moonblast that greninja. And also, she is still the kalos champion hence alain lost to her after the privilege to challenge the elite 4 when he won the kalos league
@@ProfessorAlexSilver Thats why I hate the froakie line so much. The XYZ show gave it the worst writting I seen in a show since Iron Fist. Edit: Regarding to the main character being the ace pokemon. None of his victories were earned and it would have been far more satifying if the trainers were the ones Froakie abandoned and got their revenge by destroying it in every battle with ease like a below average jobber.
Leon's Charizard was able to get the upper hand against Eternatus. And that's without the ability to G-Max. In comparison, Alain's Mega Charizard was able to combat Mega Rayquaza and Primal Groudon, but was ultimately bested by both of them.
Honestly, I agree on most of it, but I would say that even tho he was portraied as powerful trainer Alain shouldn’t be the second best (he clearly didn’t even defeat Diantha as she is still a champion of Kalos, if he even tried to take her title) and Iris above other champions (don’t get me wrong I like her more now than in BW series but we never even seen her winning against some powerful trainers to just say, yep she is now defenetly a champion and can go 1 v 1 against these masters with experiences-even Ash although same age as her has much more battle experiences to be truely consider a champ). So in my opinion it should be like this: 8. Iris 7. Alain 6. Diantha 5. Lance 4. Steven 3. Ash 2. Leon 1. Cynthia I know it doesn’t even match the anime (by Leon being second and not the first) but I just don’t see him as the most powerful Among all the champions (the problem with him is his massive plot armor, becose he didn’t do much against a Legendary pokemon yet he one shoted Alain’s Mega Charizard X), in Cynthia’s case we at least see her more often and actually even put a pretty good fight against some of the most powerful legends like Dialga and Palkia and yes her other pokemons aren’t as powerful threat as Garchomp but let’s be honest all champions have ace that is OP and their other pokemons are not as powerful, but even with that her Garchomp took Paul’s entire team in seconds (yes he was still a noob in that point but still), put a good fight with legends and if we consider that Tobias went after her title when he anihilated the Sinnoh league we can safely say she was even able to destroy his Darkrai, Latios and other pokemons becose she is still a champion of Sinnoh (IF Tobias tried to get her title). But that is just my view on these guys, to me Leon is just not the most powerful and in anime he is just becose of stupid plot armor, but it’s just my opinion.
This could just be my Iris and Diantha biase speaking I feel like she actually let ash win because she was helping dragonite towards the end just so it can have fun battling. Same thing towards Diantha in the fight with her and ash I personally feel that Diantha was just testing the waters with ash greninja giving with the information she was told by Olympia too see this new type of power for herself. I can tell she panicked in her fight at the end but personally if she wanted to win a moonblast would’ve done the trick.
Too bad we don't get to see alder, I always love the fact that he is a champion whose main pokemon is a normal type (buffalant) plus I want to see him use his volcarona or braviary in battle. In the series, I love that he seems to act like an idiot most of the time but deep inside he is actually very wise. Which Is why he is one of my favorite champion.
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I personally think that the Masters’ 8 is ranked perfectly as it is. Having Ash at the bottom is a perfect way to set him up as the tournament’s underdog. Iris at 7 makes sense because she fairly recently lost to Ash when she was ranked 99th, so she wouldn’t have really had the time to raise above rank 7. She’s also only been a champion for presumably a short amount of time, so having her ranked low is reasonable. Alain has been portrayed as the strongest non-champion in the anime. He’s been this strong since his introduction in XY. Having him ranked above Iris makes sense because Iris hasn’t been extremely strong as long as Alain has, and having him ranked below Diantha is perfect because he’s not the champion of Kalos but he did win the Pokémon League there. Diantha has been shown to be a champion level trainer in XY, but she’s never felt as untouchable as Cynthia or Steven. Lance also hasn’t been shown to be as untouchable as Cynthia or Steven, but he did make the finals of the previous Masters’ 8 tournament, so his placement at rank 4 is reasonable. Steven is a fan favorite champion in the games, likely second to only Cynthia. His spot right below her is reasonable. Also, he was shown to be a powerful force in the XY side series. Cynthia can’t be #1 because of the way this series is structured (with Leon being this untouchable figure), so having her at #2 is perfect as she’s always been shown to be the strongest trainer in the show. The series has shown Leon to be this untouchable monarch prodigy. Ash’s entire motivation for entering the World Coronation Series is to defeat Leon since Ash wants to beat the most powerful trainers. Given the narrative, having Leon at #1 is a given. Also, Leon is shown to be a beloved, talented trainer in his home region in Pokemon Sword/Shield. He’s likely the most popular champion when just considering each champion’s home region. Having him be the host/entertainer/man to beat makes sense, especially since the Masters’ 8 tournament is in Galar.
personally, if the show replaced Alain for Tobias, i feel like it would have been more satisfying for Leon to win, while also giving the audience redemption for having Tobias come out of no where to beat Ash. they could have gave alain a “paul like” encounter and have him further help Ash with his training bc Alain was never a fighter anyways, he only fought when he felt he was doing it for the right reasons. Also seeing leon best darkri and latios and getting to see tobias’ third pokemon would have been extremely satisfying
I would like to see Ash using his aces pokemon in the final battle with Leon (Pikachu, Sceptile, Infernape, Lucario, Greninja, Charizard, Snorlax, Incineroar)
I honestly really wished that since Lance was in the master’s 8 they should’ve had Ash and Lance battle instead of steven just because if it’s ash’s last big run seeing him battle and defeat Lance would’ve made up his losses in both the Kanto and Johto league I feel it would’ve been more epic to see him and Lance going at it
Steven Stone is one of my favorite champs so if anyone was going to usurp lance, I'm glad it's him. But Lance would have been full circle for Ash so I would've loved that as well
I feel Cynthia and Ash would face in the semi-finals and Leon would probably win or tie with Ash, as I feel the series has another way of ending Ash's journey. This is because if Ash does win, it would imply he is already way better than all the previous champions and rivals, and kinda ruins the writing for them, as I believe they too should have grown along with Ash. The majority of the video's thoughts on Ash's dream team are agreeable except for Snorlax, I think Sceptile would make a great replacement, as he was not just an iconic Pokemon but the Hoenn region ace.
What do you think the masters 8 ranking should be after seeing the whole tournament ? Obviously ash is rank 1 and leon is rank 2 but what's your opinion on the other 5 ?
Why do you think Greninja nearly beat Mega Gardevoir? She fell once. How does that mean she nearly lost? She didn't even use a super effective Moonblast which suggests Diantha was holding back to test Ash
People really think that leon was not gonna stomp allan? Ash vs Alian was down to the wire. Why would they introduce the strongest person ash will ever face and have that person have a close match with someone ash almost beat. It would make the stakes so much lower for ash vs leon. I feel like this episode sets up perfect long term storytelling. And I guess Leon could've stomped someone else but then how do you scale him to Ash?
Super insulted by Ash using the "only this season" team rule when it's literally the final battle to be top in the world. Especially since he didn't even do a League challenge! He was just screwing around wherever in Journeys. Dracovish being in his ultimate team is disturbing, insulting, and mindmelting.
Here's my personal ranking 1 Ash, with Pikachu, Charizard, Infernape, Greninja, Sceptile, and Lucario could definitely defeat Leon 2 Leon, he's the would monarch and beat Alain like it was nothing 3 Cynthia, her Garchomp is properly the 2nd or 3rd single strongest Pokémon in this tournament 4 Lance, he made it to 2nd place last tournament and he's Gyarados lasted longer agents Leon's Charizard than Alain did with he's Charizard 5 Steven, was going to defeat Alain but got interrupted by Lysander and fought agents Kyogre, Groudon, and Rayquaza 6 Alain, his charizard beat Ash Greninja, beat 10 megas in a row, and toe to toe with Steven's Metagross 7 Diantha, was going to lose to a not even mastered Ash Greninja if it wasn't for plot, while Alain beat Ash Greninja 8 Iris, ok here me out ash beat Iris with Dragonite and Dracofish Including her ace Haxorus while Ash Greninja struggled but was going to defeat Diantha and we know Greninja is stronger than Dragonite and Dragofish putting Diantha over Iris
I wish the writers could have demo leon's strength by matching him up with iris. While alain fights diantha so the both of them could fight in the semi finals and atleast push leon into gmax. That would be better for everyone
How I think the order should be pre masters tournament. 8th - ash 7th - Alain 6th - iris 5th - diantha 4th - Lance 3rd - steven 2nd - cynthia 1st - leon Which I think is pretty damn close to what they did in the anime if not the same thing. If it the same thing i just wasted like 3 minutes for nothing 😅
Do The Complete SHORT History of Ash's Raticate. Only appear once in Battle Aboard the St. Anne, it's the Pokémon he traded his Butterfree for until trading it back by the end of the episode.
Great video,I agree with the rating.I still wonder how ash is going to win the masters 8 as his team seems so much more weaker than all the other champions
I think if you put Iris at the bottom, Lance after Iris, and Diantha above Lance then it’d work well. You sold me in with the way you described Ash’s journey to become a Pokémon Master, he sure caught a plethora of Pokémon.
Can you do James's Ultimate Team? James surprisingly have more Pokémon in his possession then Jessie does. Growlie, Cacnea, Chimecho, Mime Jr., Carnivine, Inkay, Mareanie and Morpeko. Didn't include Yamask or Amoonguss on there since he gave them away to Giovanni, but these are still enough Pokémon to do a solo Ultimate Team video with James.
@@SuperPlacido1 No, James never give Cacnea away, he left it with Gardenia for training, he never gave it away, it's still technically James's Pokémon. Just like how Ash left his Primeape with Anthony for training and yet to come back for it, but that doesn't meant he gave it away, it's still his Pokémon.
Another good video professor I hope ash has a battle with Cynthia would be awesome because I remember at The end of diamond and Pearl when she beat flint the announcer asked who could beat her ash said I can
I was about to comment that I think Journeys Ash is still relative to Alain and Leon but then you brought up Ash returning with his aces, and I cannot question the power of Ash's aces XD
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Dawn's pipulp
Ash's Sceptile.
Iris’s Haxorus.
Ash noibat
Ash's sceptile or Krookodile would be cool
I can't put Cynthia anywhere below the top 2. I think the series has done a good job of showing she's unquestionably powerful. And she doesn't seem like the type to let the rest of her team slack off.
I do find it weird that she has shown a Gastrodon and not a Milotic, though.
I'm also a bit disappointed that Ash didn't bring his ultimate team, as well. I know the Journeys team has done well so far, but it's his previous teams that built that reputation to begin with. And I'd like to see what Pikachu, Charizard, Infernape, Greninja, Sceptile, and Snorlax/Krookodile/Lucario could do together.
Cynthia is definitely powerful. As the main character, Ash has had ample opportunity to strut his stuff. Each member of his ultimate team rivals garchomp in strength in my opinion. I think that's where Cynthia falters, her other Pokemon haven't shined as much
I think Milotic was reserved as an Ace for Wallace
@ that didn't stop them from going back to the Charizard and Lucario wells...
She has a Milotic
@@ProfessorAlexSilver dont u think that Alain also does the same by relying on MCX..I think Alain and cynthia's position should be interchanged now cynthia even has mega stone
I wish Tobias was part of the Masters 8 so I can see his 4 other Pokémon.
And making Ash lose the Championship again, Really?
Would probably only get to see one more given the format is 3v3. But I’m with you.
it would have been funny seeing him get demolished by Leon instead of Alain
I would love to see him come back as well
@@typhlosiontubeplays What about Ash?
We got robbed of a good showing of Leon's power against Alain. I expect him to lose but the writers made Alain look a complete scrub. In fact it felt like we were watching Pokemon game tournament.
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That's the problem with journeys, all the battles are so fast paced like the games. The battle of ash vs leon finale should be a 2 or 3 parter episode otherwise I'm gonna be pre pissed off
We did see his power, he washed alian. Alain is not on his level.
That was the point. Alain is a beast, but Leon is different. He beat Lance’s best, and Lance was ranked higher than Alain, so naturally Alain had to put up less of a fight. Now that was TOO little, but that’s how good Leon is.
@@RobertAngel885 Alain took on 10 mega evolution trainers ending with an elite 4 member, he should have put up more of a fight
Personally, I believe Leon’s battles have definitely shown his skill as a trainer
He’s the one trainer constantly changes Movesets to get the edge over his opponents, in his few battles we’ve seen him completely outsmart every opponent he’s come across, and he’s been completely undefeated in his entire career.
I really wish Journeys had made Leon a far more involved character in the story, even though he’s returned far more than other characters, his presence in the story feels very lacking. I’m happy with what we’ve seen him do, but it can still be better.
That's fair, I suppose I just wish we could see some level of vulnerability with him
This is what happen when they make dawn appears like 20 times in the series lol
@@ProfessorAlexSilver We did, in episode 100 of Journeys, when he tells Ash how impacted he was when he couldn't do anything against Eternamax Eternatus in episode 44.
@@ProfessorAlexSilver Leon showed vulnerability in journeys episode 100 when Ash asked him what's it like to be champion? Leon says "For so long, I was afraid I've never lost a pokemon battle and it scared me." Leon thought he reached his limit and couldn't improve any further to get stronger. Leon batting against the legendary Mugendaina felt helpless and frustrated. Leon is thrilled there are stronger pokemon and trainers out there in the pokemon world that are better than him and wants to battle them believing he can still improve himself to get more stronger.
@@ProfessorAlexSilver I think the issue is the anime doesn't actually show us the impact of the attacks and just pretends a regular Charizard and one shot a mega Charizard with a completely ordinary move. Like megas were able to do crazy things and all of a sudden they're shown to be inferior to the normal form taken out by a normal hit rather than a super charged attack or taking advantage of some ability like solar power.
We have seen so little of Diantha but I have a feeling she is going to impress us all
Team Diantha! 💅
I'm betting she'll have an awesome battle :)
Well I'm Team Lance so booooo go lose Diantha.
Im not a fan of her but we can't judge her by that battle with Greninja. Her Gardevoir never used fairy type moves which could one shot Greninja.
Nice name. What region are you from?
@@HajpeQ123 same but it was confirmed lance is going to lose 😔
This Arc has potential to both be good and bad at the same time... I can see the writers rushing just to get to the Ash vs. Leon showdown with not much character development before that. Although, with Cynthia there, the potential is there...
100% agreed, it could go either way (like most leagues)
Personally Cynthia is the least trainer that I want to battle Ash because I can not feel the tension between them and Cynthia has the most screen times out of all champion. Her character kinda weak in the anime.
For me, it was a bit of a mixed bag when it comes to character development. On one hand, we have characters like Alain and Lance who lost in the opening episodes and barely had any meaningful interactions with Ash or anyone else. But then we have momets like Iris in tears after losing to Cynthia, and Cynthia considering retiring after the tournament.
Even though we don't see it onscreen, the only reason I give Leon some credit is that despite Alain having onscreen experience going up against numerous Megas and Legendary Pokemon; Leon seems to battle and WIN against trainers who are Elite 4 and Champion level on a seemingly 'regular' basis.
That's true, I iust want to see it onscreen haha
@@ProfessorAlexSilver trust me so do I!
I agree that Leon having plot armour feels really bad and too obvious.
Many wanted to see Tobias return but since he not had any real plot beyond beating Ash, he'd feel a bit akward tbh.
What annoyed me the most is just how easily Alain was beaten and that even his ace, his mega Charizard just was so fast and easily downed.
The rest is a fair mix and I'm already eager to see how it will end.
Because if Ash wins this tournament... What next?
I can think of a lot of fun things for Ash, but I'll save em for a video :)
@@ProfessorAlexSilver Yeah, would be worth a video!
Him winning the Aloloan Championship was already a big WTF?! especially since that team was maybe his weakest.
@@Morte_n Have you watched Alola?
Ash can't win or he will have achieved his dream of being a pokemon master. There will be nowhere left to go with the character.
@@Morte_n I heard the way Ash beat Gladion was also impossible in the game and is only through anime logic. Nonetheless, the only problem I have with Ash's Alola League win is just how anticlimactic it was. I thought it'd be cool if it had went with a final showdown between Z-Moves instead, with Ash using Splintered Stormshards and Gladion with Devastating Drake.
Well I hope by now there is some respect for Diantha. She showcased great strategy in her battle- even the other champions admired it. She’s clearly a lot more stronger than the Kalos episode let on. Definitely stronger than other members of this masters 8
Definitely a great improvement, I do wish the battle was more fluid though
Leon isn’t a bad person or character, but his problem is that he’s a predictable Mary sue. We know he won’t lose until Ash’s battle, and even then his power doesn’t fully feel deserved.
This is what the other characters have, and make them fan-favorites, even newer characters like Diantha and Alain.
I totally agree
Which is why I hate that Leon was considered unbeatable in the games and they included that into Master's 8. Because of all the champions who should've been actually Rank 1, the monarch should've been Cynthia.
I'm glad they made her rank 2, but I do think Cynthia should be better than Leon generally.
@@dustinbenzel8704 didn't cynthia needed her full team just to beat 2 Pokemon from ash?
Diana has a full schedule, cuz she's an actress, and champion so the fact that she made it that far in the masters 8 is kinda of impressive, and I feel like your kinda underestimating ash Greninja a little.
I would definitely put diantha above iris for sure, reasons being that she is more experienced and has mega evolution.
I think she's strong, but Iris has proven herself to be a beast in many of her battles :)
I always felt like Leon's status in Journeys was unearned and cheap. What I mean by this is that his reputations as the undefeatable champion feels underserved when he has so little built up.
Leon was only introduced in this series yet he is touted as the best champion of them all. That feels undeserving when we have seen other characters like Cynthia, Steven, Lance, etc have had much more build-up over several more years yet they are relegated to lower ranks.
Built-up up your character is just good story telling. If you give a character a high level of importance with little build up (ex: Leon) but another character a comparatively lower level of importance with greater build up (ex: Cynthia) people are not going to be happy. It makes it feel like the former character does not deserve their status while later character desires a better status but doesn't get it. It feels like an injustice.
And I'm going to use Cynthia as a chief example here because though her you can really see why Leon's status in Journeys as the big boss feels really contrived and unsatisfying. Cynthia was introduced 15 years ago as an unbeatable champion and has had much more screen time to back it up. She has appeared in dozens of episodes across Dimond and Pearl, Black and White AND Journeys. She has appeared in far more episodes than Leon, has a far greater history, and far more examples of her battle prowess being shown. Additionally, it was established 15 years ago that Ash directly aspired to battle and beat her. Defeating Cynthia was part of his dream to become a Pokemon Master and the series showed this.
That's why it feels extremely cheap for Leon to show up out of nowhere in Journeys and suddenly be framed as Ash's top goal. His importance, foreshadowing, and history with Ash pales in comparison to Cynthia's yet the story still expects us to treat him as a bigger deal than Cynthia. In fact, Cynthia might have had more appearances in Journeys than Leon did which is to say nothing of her appearance in the older series. That just feels unsatisfying to the audience because it makes Leon's status feel unearned and contrived.
And look, I know real life reason why the show frames Leon as Ash's final goal, because it wants to promote the Sword and Shield games. But a real life explanation does not justify bad writing in the story itself. Frankly, I just don't think there was anything the show could have done to make Leon seem like more of a threat than someone like Cynthia because she was established so much easier and earned the respect of the audience that much earlier. Try as they might, Leon just can't compete with 15 years of history, build-up, and foreshadowing.
Which is why the show should not have even tired. By all means, make Leon a threat, make him a big deal. But don't make it so he's the final boss of the Pokemon anime. Give that honor to characters like Cynthia, Alain, Lance, Steven, etc who are far more deserving because the anime built them up more for longer. That way Pokemon can have it both ways, Leon gets lots of screentime to promote the new games but the story feels more satisfying because Ash has to defeat better built up and more iconic characters to win.
Frankly, I think make a character like Cynthia be the faint boss would have actually made more sense from a meta perspective too since the Diamond and Pearl remakes has only just came out. What better way to get kids into the most recent games than by giving the Champion of those games the most screentime and stats as the best in trainer in the world?
The anime Leon is heavily based off of his game's Counterpart's lore so make sense why he's the strongest
Well it’s true, Ash and Greninja were so close to beating Diantha, that would’ve been the first time Ash defeated a champion from a region but after passing out the win didn’t happen on his end. Cynthia is definitely one of the strongest champions out of the others, she’s never lost a battle once. For Iris, she really gotten stronger over the years since she left the anime for almost a decade, her Dragonite still as tough as ever and her Axew finally evolving. And Lance has some pretty powerful Pokémon too, Dragonite, the red gyrados he caught in the Jotho saga and still has it till this day. I remember about how he used to work for the Pokémon G-Men, a police like organization. His Dragonite knows hyper beam.
Steven Stones truly deserves his spot in the Bronze place. I don't know why people do this to the gentleman when he almost beat Alain. This guy is a powerhouse.
I hope to see Diantha do well so she gets some spotlight (eventually losing to Leon). I do understand people bringing up that she almost lost to Greninja but that battle was more to help figure the bond phenomena out and unlike Alain who's seen it multiple times, it was a first time for Diantha, champion or not, I imagine it would be difficult in universe to counter something that new.
Lance honestly is fine, he went from second place to 4th which even tho is a drop down, still means he is strong but doesn't have what it takes to be the best but still deserves all the respect he can get.
Iris to me personally seems like the weakest link, not disrespecting her, she's defo a strong trainer but honestly as a champion we have only seen. her fight once with Ash. On that level we have seen Lance and the others do more. Yes Diantha almost lost to Ash his strongest pokemon while a new phenomena popped up, while Iris just lost to Ash, so I feel likes it's a bit unfair to put her above Diantha.
Steven always seemed like a strong trainer and defo no push over but I do wish he had more on screen battles. It was nice to see him return in XY but it defo should have given him one more battle to establish him a bit more.
Alain has defo proven himself to be strong BUT, also has a similar issue to me as you have with Cynthia. Cynthia was able to sweep Paul with just a single pokemon, she didn't need the rest. And the other times she used her other pokemon they never got to show their power while Alain suffers from a similar issue in a different way, his Charizard is the only pokemon that really got any spotlight, and the rest all had 1 battle which is still something BUT it still is clear his charizard when compared to his other pokemon are in different leagues just like Cynthia's pokemon, but at least her ace imo is an even higher league than Alain's charizard.
And while I do agree giving Leon his own mini series would have been amazing to show him off, on the other side, his whole arc revolves around him being so good that none of the battles he has truly excite him as they used to where he worries he never will find someone that can match him so a series with him would just be him taking W's all the time while with Alain we saw his ups and downs.
Great thoughts!
correct ranking based on consistent feats with no plot armor or nerf:
1. ash (with greninja)
2. alain
3. steven
4. diantha
5. leon
6. cynthia
7. lance
8. iris
I always thought it was cool how they brought back that specific trait Anabel shared with her pokemon being able to command them through telepathy or just quick glances through Diantha but seeing as how her ace almost got beaten only being saved by a timer from a unperfected form made me quite dissapointed, but still hoping to see her redeemed as her fight with lance closes in. (I would have honestly thought Irys and Diantha were on the same level but hopefully we get to see her adapt quickly thanks to her dragon training and battle experience through watching ash's fights)
And nice list/ranking!
would be fun to watch them battle each other haha
@@ProfessorAlexSilver Would be pokemon's most quiet fight lol
You did bring up a good point about Cynthia only really having Garchomp as an ultra powerhouse. Garchomp isn't going down anytime soon during a battle but I feel like Cynthia would be in a bit of a pickle if it ever did.
I'm sure that'll be changed after she battles Iris too
@@ProfessorAlexSilver do you think iris beats Cynthia? i dont think so, i think ash gets that title tbh his dragonite vs garchomp
@@garywarburton3124 I think Cynthia wipes the floor with Iris to make an example of how fierce this competition is. Possibly without using Garchomp. Would build up Cynthia's other pokemon too.
When you defeat Cynthia's Garchomp you will find the strongest Ghost ever...😂😂😂
Holy shoot, you have Alain way higher than I would've, and Alain's my favorite character. Personally, I'd have him below or equal to Cynthia, and I'd have Iris lower or equal to Diantha or Lance
Cynthia would probably win in a fight, but Mega Charizard was just too epic in XY for me to rank him any lower haha
@@ProfessorAlexSilver XYZ YOU MEAN
Love your content! Still breaks my heart on the lack of love for sceptile! But keep up the good work!
Haha, don't worry I'll write Sceptile soon :) Thanks!
@@ProfessorAlexSilver when you do I think it’s worth noting how in the battle against darkri, while yes he knocked it out, I think the more impressive feat was a direct ice beam and then dark void not knocking it out… every other Pokémon fainted from one hit even heracross from a 4x resistance fainted from one hit and sceptile took multiple! Plus it’s mental strength got it out of dark void from the literal nightmare Pokémon! That’s impressive! Plus when sceptile gets hit with the ice beam ash grits his teeth and says “sceptile no” because he knows the absolute level that he is at! Can’t wait for your video you do such amazing work
How is lance stronger then Diantha she beat him
Update on this Leon/Cynthia/Ash/Steven/Diantha/Alain/Lance/iris this would be the updated ranking list from strongest to weakest
I feel like the problem with Leon is his status as the undefeated champion and the strongest. now there's nothing wrong with that, he's DEFINITELY proven he has earned his spot as the monarch by constantly preparing his charizard's moveset to check/counter his opponents. The closest we've seen him struggle is against Alain, who was the first to knock out any one of his Pokemon - though the fight was WAY too short and deserved its own episode like the rest of the first round is getting. The first half of the episode was one of the best introductions we've gotten to a tournament. Then the battle half happened. The result was fine, how we got there was not.
Definitely a great intro that's for sure. I think the battle should have continued into the next episode tho
He’s actually struggled more against Lance(and maybe even Raihan)
I think the M8 trainers rankings are pretty interchangeable considering the strength of the trainers, trainer battle styles and the potential Pokemon match ups.
I think the final standings of this season was pretty fair although Iris and Ash at 7 and 8 respectively could potentially move up some spots considering they haven’t been in the M8 for very long.
Also, at championship level, the small details will matter especially considering all the trainers are very strong. Leon’s Charizard for example just seems to be able to have incredible reaction time; you can totally see this against Alain’s Charizard/malamar and also Flint’s infernape.
Diantha seems quite middly. Her mega Gardevoir poses a few issues to quite a few of the trainers in M8. However, Steven and Cynthia seem like top 4 trainers more so because their aces are just simply so so powerful.
Alain could potentially move up however he’s suffering from simply having a ‘one man team’. His bisharp was amazing (we’ve not seen it since the Kalos League finals) but he needs to build a stronger group of 3. Finally, Lance looks powerful as well… he would also give anyone problems in any given battle. I think #4 spot his perfect for him.
I think Diantha is the best❤
Single round robin should be the battle format followed to have a better ranking of the Master 8
That'd be an interesting one
@@ProfessorAlexSilver the battle format followed by the series gave no justice to those Master 8 that failed to advance for championship. Number of wins against number of loss, the Master with more wins will be declared Champion.
I remember when i first saw you channel over a year ago and i knew you were gonna blow up, and your videos always improve
Thank for the support all along the way :)
Prior to the tournament, here was what I thought about the Masters 8 rankings:
1. Leon
2. Cynthia
3. Steven Stone
4. Lance
5. Ash
6. Diantha
7. Alain
8. Iris
Basically, Ash enters ranked 5th instead of 8th I guess…
Everyone just underestimating diantha. For the record, she was just observing ash greninja back then. She was just spamming shadow ball but heck she could just moonblast that greninja. And also, she is still the kalos champion hence alain lost to her after the privilege to challenge the elite 4 when he won the kalos league
i personally dont think alain should be that high.
Great video. Can't wait for this arc. You can and will accomplish your goal. More videos from you will be great.
Thank you so much!
Man I hate how XYZ nerfed their own champion for the sake to show Greninja's plot armor. She should have one shot Ash so hard he would cry. 1:00
Greninja dominated haha
@@ProfessorAlexSilver Thats why I hate the froakie line so much. The XYZ show gave it the worst writting I seen in a show since Iron Fist.
Edit: Regarding to the main character being the ace pokemon. None of his victories were earned and it would have been far more satifying if the trainers were the ones Froakie abandoned and got their revenge by destroying it in every battle with ease like a below average jobber.
So who’s here after Diantha Beat Lance😅
I did a breakdown on that, hope you like it!
Leon's Charizard was able to get the upper hand against Eternatus. And that's without the ability to G-Max. In comparison, Alain's Mega Charizard was able to combat Mega Rayquaza and Primal Groudon, but was ultimately bested by both of them.
Don't get it wrong Mega Charizard X was bodied in that fight one hit and that's it, while Steven was holding well on his own with his Mega Metagross.
@@ezekielhenryjr8118 Charizard got some licks in.
Good point, I have a bit of a bias against GMAX since it's so short.
Dragons, dragons, dragons everywhere !
Anybody with a fairy pokemon will have an hedge.
Diantha might still surprise us !
Thank you for all your work.
My pleasure :)
Cynthia wears Black because she's the one who buries you at your funeral.
Agreed 😅
oh burn!
bro might just be the no2 alain lover (im no.1...)
Honestly, I agree on most of it, but I would say that even tho he was portraied as powerful trainer Alain shouldn’t be the second best (he clearly didn’t even defeat Diantha as she is still a champion of Kalos, if he even tried to take her title) and Iris above other champions (don’t get me wrong I like her more now than in BW series but we never even seen her winning against some powerful trainers to just say, yep she is now defenetly a champion and can go 1 v 1 against these masters with experiences-even Ash although same age as her has much more battle experiences to be truely consider a champ).
So in my opinion it should be like this:
8. Iris
7. Alain
6. Diantha
5. Lance
4. Steven
3. Ash
2. Leon
1. Cynthia
I know it doesn’t even match the anime (by Leon being second and not the first) but I just don’t see him as the most powerful Among all the champions (the problem with him is his massive plot armor, becose he didn’t do much against a Legendary pokemon yet he one shoted Alain’s Mega Charizard X), in Cynthia’s case we at least see her more often and actually even put a pretty good fight against some of the most powerful legends like Dialga and Palkia and yes her other pokemons aren’t as powerful threat as Garchomp but let’s be honest all champions have ace that is OP and their other pokemons are not as powerful, but even with that her Garchomp took Paul’s entire team in seconds (yes he was still a noob in that point but still), put a good fight with legends and if we consider that Tobias went after her title when he anihilated the Sinnoh league we can safely say she was even able to destroy his Darkrai, Latios and other pokemons becose she is still a champion of Sinnoh (IF Tobias tried to get her title). But that is just my view on these guys, to me Leon is just not the most powerful and in anime he is just becose of stupid plot armor, but it’s just my opinion.
Great thoughts, I appreciate all the work you put into this
Since the masters 8 is done you should do a video on ranking all the Pokémon from the tournament from strongest to weakest!!
This could just be my Iris and Diantha biase speaking I feel like she actually let ash win because she was helping dragonite towards the end just so it can have fun battling. Same thing towards Diantha in the fight with her and ash I personally feel that Diantha was just testing the waters with ash greninja giving with the information she was told by Olympia too see this new type of power for herself. I can tell she panicked in her fight at the end but personally if she wanted to win a moonblast would’ve done the trick.
I don't accept Diantha as weak so far. And it's mainly due to the fact I feel like people can't separate video games Diantha and anime Diantha.
For me, that battle with greninja was a really bad showing
Ok. But if I'm really being honest, I didn't see Greninja winning at all.
This was a nice list and a awesome vid as usual 👍
Thanks!
They did my boy Alain so dirty by having him lose to Leon in such a short battle smh.
Very much agreed!
Too bad we don't get to see alder, I always love the fact that he is a champion whose main pokemon is a normal type (buffalant) plus I want to see him use his volcarona or braviary in battle. In the series, I love that he seems to act like an idiot most of the time but deep inside he is actually very wise. Which Is why he is one of my favorite champion.
Yeah, Alder got massively screwed over for no real reason. Kinda sad.
Great video Alex , it would be awesome to see Cynthia put in some work ! let’s just hope they do her justice
You and me both!
Great channel bro, I'm an 90s kid so I love anything from pokemon to dragonball but I'm not up to date with the pokemon anime but still enjoy your videos and definitely the videos I can relate to. Good luck on the two videos a week
Thanks! Glad I could help get that nostalgia going 😁
You have bro, I'm not nostalgia lad for nothing 😅😁and videos like what you have put out really do make the day that much better. And I bet for people less fortunate as myself, they do a lot more then make the day better. Credit we're credit is due 🙌 I want to one day put my own content out so I appreciate what you an a lot of other guys and girls do😅 novel over 😅🤣👍
I really wish this would have been a top 16 instead of a top 8. Then they could add Tobias, Brandon, Paul, Alder etc.
100%. And it only would've been a few extra battles. Having some be off-screen, or just showing the end would be fine
Diantha has beaten Lance in a really interesting way. With the typical Smogon Gourgeist: Trick-or-treat, Shadow sneak and Phantom force.
Isn't gourgiest in PU/NU?
What if Cynthia took in Chimchar instead of Ash?
That could be interesting! Please put all of your suggestions in one comment.
I personally think that the Masters’ 8 is ranked perfectly as it is.
Having Ash at the bottom is a perfect way to set him up as the tournament’s underdog.
Iris at 7 makes sense because she fairly recently lost to Ash when she was ranked 99th, so she wouldn’t have really had the time to raise above rank 7. She’s also only been a champion for presumably a short amount of time, so having her ranked low is reasonable.
Alain has been portrayed as the strongest non-champion in the anime. He’s been this strong since his introduction in XY. Having him ranked above Iris makes sense because Iris hasn’t been extremely strong as long as Alain has, and having him ranked below Diantha is perfect because he’s not the champion of Kalos but he did win the Pokémon League there.
Diantha has been shown to be a champion level trainer in XY, but she’s never felt as untouchable as Cynthia or Steven.
Lance also hasn’t been shown to be as untouchable as Cynthia or Steven, but he did make the finals of the previous Masters’ 8 tournament, so his placement at rank 4 is reasonable.
Steven is a fan favorite champion in the games, likely second to only Cynthia. His spot right below her is reasonable. Also, he was shown to be a powerful force in the XY side series.
Cynthia can’t be #1 because of the way this series is structured (with Leon being this untouchable figure), so having her at #2 is perfect as she’s always been shown to be the strongest trainer in the show.
The series has shown Leon to be this untouchable monarch prodigy. Ash’s entire motivation for entering the World Coronation Series is to defeat Leon since Ash wants to beat the most powerful trainers. Given the narrative, having Leon at #1 is a given. Also, Leon is shown to be a beloved, talented trainer in his home region in Pokemon Sword/Shield. He’s likely the most popular champion when just considering each champion’s home region. Having him be the host/entertainer/man to beat makes sense, especially since the Masters’ 8 tournament is in Galar.
personally, if the show replaced Alain for Tobias, i feel like it would have been more satisfying for Leon to win, while also giving the audience redemption for having Tobias come out of no where to beat Ash. they could have gave alain a “paul like” encounter and have him further help Ash with his training bc Alain was never a fighter anyways, he only fought when he felt he was doing it for the right reasons.
Also seeing leon best darkri and latios and getting to see tobias’ third pokemon would have been extremely satisfying
I like Alain more but Tobias was way better suited for the battle
Bet you are now eating ur words now that diantha defeated lance
I get that Alain is awesome. But Leon is a totally different level... 😊
That's fair, but I'm biased for Alain. He's too cool haha
Yea he's a different level... of plot armor
I hope this video reaches to all those at The Pokémon Company. This is how things should be.
Hopefully they like it XD
Lucky Cameron didn't make it to the Masters 8. He'd take the first 7 slots before Leon
Haha that'd be the worst
This is such a cool idea to have all these legendary trainers duking it out. I'm really excited to see how it turns out.
Same here 😊
I would like to see Ash using his aces pokemon in the final battle with Leon (Pikachu, Sceptile, Infernape, Lucario, Greninja, Charizard, Snorlax, Incineroar)
I'd be all for it
You understand how strong Incineroar is...
This was just so awesome to watch I really enjoyed it
Awesome to hear that!!
Diantha won 💅💅💅 so your ranking is not exactly true at all
I would have loved to see tobais vs leon in the final
That'd be awesome ha
@@ProfessorAlexSilver surely it would have.
Can you make 'What if Ash won Pokémon Leagues?' videos?
Maybe some day!
Iris over Lance definitely caught me off guard! But I'll always take Alain support so it balances out. 😉 Great Video!
Her battle with Ash was pretty awesome haha
@@ProfessorAlexSilver love that battle! All 4 of those Pokemon had a great battle.
Thanks for the amazing list
My pleasure :)
I honestly really wished that since Lance was in the master’s 8 they should’ve had Ash and Lance battle instead of steven just because if it’s ash’s last big run seeing him battle and defeat Lance would’ve made up his losses in both the Kanto and Johto league I feel it would’ve been more epic to see him and Lance going at it
Steven Stone is one of my favorite champs so if anyone was going to usurp lance, I'm glad it's him. But Lance would have been full circle for Ash so I would've loved that as well
2:03 AND EMOLGA!
That too haha
I feel Cynthia and Ash would face in the semi-finals and Leon would probably win or tie with Ash, as I feel the series has another way of ending Ash's journey. This is because if Ash does win, it would imply he is already way better than all the previous champions and rivals, and kinda ruins the writing for them, as I believe they too should have grown along with Ash. The majority of the video's thoughts on Ash's dream team are agreeable except for Snorlax, I think Sceptile would make a great replacement, as he was not just an iconic Pokemon but the Hoenn region ace.
Didn't age well
What do you think the masters 8 ranking should be after seeing the whole tournament ? Obviously ash is rank 1 and leon is rank 2 but what's your opinion on the other 5 ?
Cynthia is overrated as usual but Lance is Underrated.
Why do you think Greninja nearly beat Mega Gardevoir? She fell once. How does that mean she nearly lost? She didn't even use a super effective Moonblast which suggests Diantha was holding back to test Ash
I’m not fully defending it, but diantha was sweating, so she was clearly worried or stressed to some capacity
I still agree with you though
People really think that leon was not gonna stomp allan? Ash vs Alian was down to the wire. Why would they introduce the strongest person ash will ever face and have that person have a close match with someone ash almost beat. It would make the stakes so much lower for ash vs leon. I feel like this episode sets up perfect long term storytelling. And I guess Leon could've stomped someone else but then how do you scale him to Ash?
How does Alain outrank Leon after getting thrashed?
Like I mentioned, I'm basing this off the skill they showed in the show, & nothing before the first round was considered in my rankings
Super insulted by Ash using the "only this season" team rule when it's literally the final battle to be top in the world. Especially since he didn't even do a League challenge! He was just screwing around wherever in Journeys.
Dracovish being in his ultimate team is disturbing, insulting, and mindmelting.
Here's my personal ranking
1 Ash, with Pikachu, Charizard, Infernape, Greninja, Sceptile, and Lucario could definitely defeat Leon
2 Leon, he's the would monarch and beat Alain like it was nothing
3 Cynthia, her Garchomp is properly the 2nd or 3rd single strongest Pokémon in this tournament
4 Lance, he made it to 2nd place last tournament and he's Gyarados lasted longer agents Leon's Charizard than Alain did with he's Charizard
5 Steven, was going to defeat Alain but got interrupted by Lysander and fought agents Kyogre, Groudon, and Rayquaza
6 Alain, his charizard beat Ash Greninja, beat 10 megas in a row, and toe to toe with Steven's Metagross
7 Diantha, was going to lose to a not even mastered Ash Greninja if it wasn't for plot, while Alain beat Ash Greninja
8 Iris, ok here me out ash beat Iris with Dragonite and Dracofish Including her ace Haxorus while Ash Greninja struggled but was going to defeat Diantha and we know Greninja is stronger than Dragonite and Dragofish putting Diantha over Iris
I like it!
I wish the writers could have demo leon's strength by matching him up with iris. While alain fights diantha so the both of them could fight in the semi finals and atleast push leon into gmax. That would be better for everyone
Haxorus vs Charizard would be sick (if it doesn't get one shotted)
Iris is main character of a series so it's obvious they won't show her like that.
I debate that diantha is the weakest trainer in the master's eight she defeated lean's hydragan without Gardevoir dealing damage
How I think the order should be pre masters tournament.
8th - ash
7th - Alain
6th - iris
5th - diantha
4th - Lance
3rd - steven
2nd - cynthia
1st - leon
Which I think is pretty damn close to what they did in the anime if not the same thing. If it the same thing i just wasted like 3 minutes for nothing 😅
Fair ranking
Do The Complete SHORT History of Ash's Raticate. Only appear once in Battle Aboard the St. Anne, it's the Pokémon he traded his Butterfree for until trading it back by the end of the episode.
That could be a fun one haha
Alain over Cynthia and Leon? Really?
ya really :)
Awesome video professor
Thanks!!
Great video,I agree with the rating.I still wonder how ash is going to win the masters 8 as his team seems so much more weaker than all the other champions
When it comes to the anime, anything can happen haha
@@ProfessorAlexSilver True
2:26. Will Ash really defeat Steven?
2:45 every time you say "giant rock", I have to remind myself you're not joking.
Haha I suppose I've just gotten used to it, but it is quite ridiculous
so is alain the kalos league champion now?
League champion yes, but not region champion
@@ProfessorAlexSilver makes sense. ig he never beat the elite 4 or he lost to diantha off screen?
I am too hyped up for Daigo vs Satoshi.
I'm hyped for it all haha
@@ProfessorAlexSilver I truly like your classes, those episode concepts are really unique to analyse each of the Pokemon. ❤️
I think if you put Iris at the bottom, Lance after Iris, and Diantha above Lance then it’d work well. You sold me in with the way you described Ash’s journey to become a Pokémon Master, he sure caught a plethora of Pokémon.
That was straight on the money 💰. That was perfectly said!
Thanks!! More to come :)
We’ll look like this list neededs a recount diantha definitely poven she’s 4 strongest champion
Can you do James's Ultimate Team? James surprisingly have more Pokémon in his possession then Jessie does.
Growlie, Cacnea, Chimecho, Mime Jr., Carnivine, Inkay, Mareanie and Morpeko.
Didn't include Yamask or Amoonguss on there since he gave them away to Giovanni, but these are still enough Pokémon to do a solo Ultimate Team video with James.
Definitely on my list, I but I may combine him with Jessie for that one
So why did you put Cacnea there? If I follow your logic, you shouldn't have put it there since James gave Cacnea to the Sinnoh plant type gym leader.
@@SuperPlacido1 No, James never give Cacnea away, he left it with Gardenia for training, he never gave it away, it's still technically James's Pokémon.
Just like how Ash left his Primeape with Anthony for training and yet to come back for it, but that doesn't meant he gave it away, it's still his Pokémon.
He should have Gyarados as well.
@@sreejithmadhav1367 James straight up abandon that Pokémon when he kick it to the ocean. Doubt he'll ever see that Pokémon again.
How we gonna forget our boy Tobias like that
I'll be touching on him in another video real soon
If Ash would have used his ultimate team and won in finals it would have been great end for the wait of 22 years !!
“Or first round”
Alain got BODIED
Another good video professor I hope ash has a battle with Cynthia would be awesome because I remember at The end of diamond and Pearl when she beat flint the announcer asked who could beat her ash said I can
That'd be so sick. I doubt infernape will return, but it'd be very cool if he did
History of a team rocket Pokémon, it’s been awhile
They're on my list :)
I feel like they should have had better pacing for this league like the aloha league
Hopefully the opener isn't indicative of the rest
I'm rooting for Steven Stone to win it all, but since he's matched up against Ash his chances look really bleak.
Same
He lost like a stepping stone for mc
Hasn’t done enough to be Monarch you say?
This man hasn’t lost a battle
I’d love to see that recap you talked about
I was about to comment that I think Journeys Ash is still relative to Alain and Leon but then you brought up Ash returning with his aces, and I cannot question the power of Ash's aces XD