Are BPD and NPD the same?
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- Are BPD and NPD the same?
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It is very common for people to confuse BPD with NPD, but they’re very different disorders in many ways, but they do have some aspects that overlap and are similar. In this video we’re going to examine this to help you identify what’s what.
BPD is a disorder that includes a pattern of instability in interpersonal relationships, self-image, emotions, and marked impulsivity. NPD is a pattern of grandiosity, need for admiration, and lack of empathy. Let’s examine and break down the similarities, differences, and overlaps of BPD and NPD that tends to cause a lot of confusion when these traits are exhibited in individuals in your life.
Daniel J. Fox, Ph.D., is a licensed psychologist in Texas, international speaker, and a multi-award winning author. He has been specializing in the treatment and assessment of individuals with personality disorders for over 15 years in the state and federal prison system, universities, and in private practice. His specialty areas include personality disorders, ethics, burnout prevention, and emotional intelligence.
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Hi Doc, please look at the input gain of your microphone (whether it's a separate mic, or a built in one to your filming device). As it is currently, it's distorting your voice, very heavy metal, but perhaps not conducive to ease of listening, and reaching a wider audience. Thank you for all you do!
I think about this every time I watch one of his videos- such great info but he audio is AWFUL.
Yeah I haven’t been able to watch the last couple of videos
You're ungrateful.just enjoy the golden information 💁♀️
@@Signal_light_instructor you are, of course, entitled to your opinion. I’m personally extremely grateful for Dr. Fox’s informative content, and imagine he (as many CZcams creators) is doing what he can with what he has.
Absent positive and constructive feedback, however, this issue is likely to continue and may perhaps prevent others who need this info from hearing it because the audio is harsh and distorted (which can actually be physically painful, for some sensitive folks).
I have been tempted to comment this for quite some time now!
Mommie dearest was both - yay. Result hyper sensitivity cptsd, cripppling perfectionism and anxiety. Found my way through.
Same lol but I think more towards npd and im now finding out i probably have bpd 💀
Youre the only doctor that has explained to me what’s wrong with me in a way that I don’t feel bad about myself but rather in a way that I can see what I’m doing wrong and I try to manage all these bad feelings I tend to feel about my BPD. I am forever grateful I listen to you every single day to remind myself and practice
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BPD is afraid to be abandoned, and NPD will gladly do that to BPD.
Basically a Frankenstein's monster and Dr Frankenstein relationship.
I feel that I have both, but I'm 99.5% certain that my ex could have both, but if not she was definitely BPD and she left me, but reasonably so. 😕
I have bpd and I have no family and only a couple friends. I spend a lot of time alone. Infact, being with others is often too much for me. Been that way my whole life. I'm also an introvert.
I hope the video was helpful for you. Be well.
Thought I was alone. Quite literally and with this kind of experience
I also have BPD, but I would question if you have few friends and seem to prefer being alone because you actually want to be alone or if that is the result of the fear of abandonment so have detached and do this to limit risk of the abandonment. Be safe my friend. I hope your well.
Im honestly not sure that i feel a fear of abandonment as much as im afraid of not relating to others because of having lived a life without any family at all and also because of inequity. But there are a couple of hobbies that i like to connect with others with. However, those sorts of meetups generate high turn over come and go people. :/ The rest of my hobbies are all independent activities. So to answer your question, id say maybe both. However, i enjoy being alone and need alot of time alone. My freedom is important to me. But i would like to ideally have a handful of long lasting friends. Its hard at my age and position though. But anyway... @TrickyBlade
Infp 4w5 here. And quite sick of the internet psychobabble that doesnt even describe my individual and valuable story. SO, yes.... us people are out here living not so stereotypical lives of suffering. @@kabelomekoa
Thank you, Dr. Fox, for addressing this with clarity and scientific knowledge of psychology and psychiatry. Many people don't understand or recognize these differences and similarities. More dangerously, some who claim a dose of authority on the subject, state that BPD doesn't exist, and that people with BPD actually simply have NPD.
From my (anecdotal) experience, both personal and impersonal (readings, studies, videos), people with BPD have compassion, and feel guilt more adequately. When they harm others, they try to fix and make reparations. They stop being abusive to others if that's pointed out to them. They will even be overly and sincerely apologetic. People with NPD? No way. It's not their fault, not their problem. They blame others for everything that goes wrong. They continue abuse until the abused people or law/higher authority figures stop them. They only cooperate when caught and when their way doesn't work.
So thank you again, for all those affected by both disorders, including themselves.
People with diagnosed BPD have been cruel, bully me, I have mental retardation . Maybe they were misdiagnosed and instead had NPD . They had no empathy. Maybe they had AsPd with it. They were females and vile as can be.
Hey doc, the audio quality has really taken a hit the past few videos; definitely takes away from digesting the info.
Really appreciate your content, it’s been immensely helpful.
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I knew a man who said he had autism and narcissism. He reminded me of your npd information. He said he had a social group all about status from top to bottom. I saw no autism in him. NPD are perfectionists in a snobby way.
podrias profundizar en eso de "NPD are perfectionist in a SNOBBY WAY" in comparassion with autistic people?
This such a easy understandable way to understand NPD and BPD. I thought I was
BPD. I like to be a severe hermit. I can put up with a lot. Than when I am used and
used I go into Rage burst. It takes alot though. And it is floodgates open. Than I
feel bad. But I do not really care if I loose people because of that. I have been known
to be alone for 6 months at a time. So confusing. I think my co-dependence makes
it so I do not mind being alone. I do not attack people verbally when I rage I attack
the situation. But it is severe. I am better through Dr. Fox videos than I used to be.
Thank you Dr. Fox for all your awareness and communication skills. So lucky to
find you.
I’m glad the video was helpful for you. Be well.
I’m curious. How do you think someone should feel/act when they find out they are being used?
Hi Doc, can you please do a video on the differences between BPD and cptsd?
Yes, it would be very helpful!
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@@dae6736 Ahhhh! So, could it be congenital?
Hi doc, thank you for such quality content. I remember back in 2020 when I got diagnosed with BPD here in Sweden that I felt lonely and quite lost, but seeing your videos gave me enormous hopes, insight and compassion for myself. Thank you for helping me in my recovery process!
Could you please do a video about guilt and shame in BPD? Those are two things I find very hard to deal with. When make a mistake I feel shame and regret instead of a mild reaction to my mistakes. It would be very helpful if we could get some insight on why this happens and how to cope with it!
Again, thank you so much for all the effort you put into sharing your knowledge. I wish you a good day!
Thanks 😊
Hi. May I ask you, do u think people with BPD can have empathy and can love someone?
Thank you.
Thank you so much, Dr. Fox! You break down everything so well. Lots of great information in a short period of time. I found your channel a few days ago, and can honestly say that it is the best one of its kind that I've seen so far. Keep up the outstanding work!
You somehow always manage to post at eerily relevant times. I just had a rageful episode yesterday without really understanding where it came from, and this helped me realise it was a build-up of jealousy. Thank you for your dedication to the cluster B community ♡
Thank you Dr. Fox for your excellent video for explaining and writing out on screen differences between BPD and NPD and the overlaps! You are doing great helpful work to counsel people and good education awareness!❤️🙏❤️😊
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Excellent information….I have npd sister & bpd acquaintance….I can see the difference, but it’s subtle & very difficult for the average person to decipher
I appreciate you mentioning the overlap between BPD & NPD with jealously; I had a cyberstalker some time ago that exhibited this exact trait & probably had both conditions on a diagnostic level. I often thought 'why me?' & I think that's because he saw a more intelligent & more attractive woman relative to his own status in both departments that he felt threatened by me.
I've had a couple of long term stalkers in my lifetime. I'm too scared to leave the father of my adult children because I believe he will stalk me and become even more dangerous than he already is. His ex wife moved to the north of Sweden I'm pretty sure to escape him, which she managed to do as he's not keen on travelling long distances. I don't want to have to leave my own country : \
I liked the emphasis on separating the pathology of attention-seeking from the terminology of ‘entitlement’. People with BPD become desperate for attention bc deep down a lot of us are absolutely certain we do not deserve it, & if we do get it we are certain we will eventually lose it. We don’t desperately seek attention bc we think we are better than everyone & the center of the spotlight, it’s because the emotional permanence factor with us is incredibly poor. We catastrophize & see abandonment where it isn’t when we haven’t learned to sit with our feelings, when we haven’t learned how to self-value over finding our value in others, & when we haven’t learned to ask ourselves questions before lashing out bc we feel alone.
I really enjoyed this video-I thank you did a great job breaking the information down and presenting it in a digestible way. You’re a great teacher Dr Fox
Thanks for consistently presenting super helpful information! I appreciate you.
I’m so glad you find it helpful and I wish you all the best.
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Thank you!
I am in such a bad BPD episode right now. I became involved with some-one online after very very bad things happened, such as losing my mum. Turned out this guy was just a liar so all my distraction fell apart as did my world. Been watching you for years and I thank you.
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Love pretty much everything you post I love how you do distinguish difference’s in issues regarding empathy in npd and bpd. Another thing I did realise with entitlement, is I behave badly with my partner and when there is a threat to leave I am either internalising or verbalising a sense of entitlement to a relationship with him. But you are so right, it doesn’t stem from a sense of superiority, it stems from being taught ‘unconditional love’ to an unhealthy extreme. My dad was violent towards my mum and cheated on her, my mum stuck by just like all women on both my parents sides. I also stayed with previous abusive partners, so when my now healthy partner tries to implement boundaries or has attempted to follow through with leaving as he said he would if I was abusive, in the moment I can not logically/emotionally understand it, but with time the logic like this comes but still conflicted on it emotionally. I think of when I stayed or my mum did etc. thank you for your content/work book, because it has helped realise these kind of things.
I have a young lady in my life that’s been like a daughter to me that has BPD. It’s always an emotional roller coaster. She had an explosive verbal outburst toward me, blocked me on all social media and told me she’ll never let me back into her life again. I now see all the reasons why the timing of the minor comment I made got so blow out of proportion by her. The jealousy of other relationships in my life, fear of me abandoning her like so many others have, putting me out of sight out of mind to protect her emotions, all the things. Do you have any advice on how I should move forward? Does she need space to heal or does she need me to find ways to try to reconnect and reassure her I won’t leave her? The explosion and her venting on me hurt. Ultimately I get it and with the help of your videos know the place of pain it comes from but know there needs to be boundaries too.
I know this 3 months old but for me personally I know I say alot of mean things I don't mean and sometimes just can't stop. I hope you were able to reconnect with her. I used to tell people in my life to go away even though I didn't mean it. Me personally, I do need some space when feeling like that but it can go really far if the person says something like "okay, take as much space and time as you need, but I'll be here waiting!" And would hope if they didn't hear from me within 24 hours or even less they would contact me just to say "thinking of you and hoping you are feeling better. Please let me know if I can do something to help!" Of course you don't want to let anyone manipulate you in a BPD episode but them just knowing you WANT to be there really helps.
Also, people with BPD tend to take out their emotions on who means the most to them (aka my poor husband) also for me when venting I dispise when people say "well it could be worse" or "atleast you don't have what so and so has going on" it feels like it belittles your feelings that in that moment don't feel like it could be worse. Having someone say "that would be awful to deal with. I'm so sorry. You are incredibly strong for having to deal with that." Helps. My bestfriend likes to say "hmm yea that's weird" then changes the subject when I'm venting and it kills me. Small issues spark big emotions in people with BPD. I am prone to ripping up photos, taking off for walks and threatening to relapse (I'm a recovered herion addict) when I'm mad even though I know I'm not going to, sometimes it feels good just to let it out so it doesn't just boil inside
@@dfc41 hello, I had a friend with BPD who split on me over perceived betrayal, She wants space And blocked me since I was a little impatient but also wanted to reconnect as friends/partners in the future, She's been struggling a lot and I've been blocked for about 35 days, I can reach out to them, Should I try to reach out and let them know I'm happy they need space, That I still love them and hope they're alright, Or leave them alone for a few more months and do a more grand gesture to show that I truly care, We were very close
I'm sorry that this happened to you. I've seen a lot of very bad behaviour amongst people dx BPD which leads me to believe that they may also have antisocial personality disorder or npd along with BPD.
Thank you. This was a great clarification. Have a good day Dr. Fox
You are so welcome
Thank was very informative. Thank you Dr. Fox for breaking it down. Bless you!!!
What an amazing video and clear explanation!
Glad it was helpful!
VERY useful info. Thanks a lot. However, I wonder what your thoughts could be on a possible combination of them in one person? I have a client who has almost all of the traits of both BPD and NPD. And sometimes it's really hard to understand which one prevails. Would be great to see a video on that comorbidity (or watch one if you have it already).
@@jennaraurusrex As a psychologist, I know that such combinations are quite common. Especially, taking into account that they're from the same cluster. However, not so much info describing the details
@@evgeni-orlov_psiholog I was thinking if it’s possible because I grew up with a family member who seems to have both BPD and NPD traits.
I dated someone who had both traits. I didn’t understand it because i hate attention SOOO much. And this person would do and purchase things to attract attention. Whereas I’d rather dress in black, which I realize makes me stand out as a weirdo. But my intention is to attract the least amount of attention. I read somewhere that Narcissistic Personality traits can be coupled with BPD, sociopaths, psychopaths, etc. . So could it be that your person, like my person has high traits but the main diagnoses is BPD?
Dr. Fox, I'm curious if you saw the article in the Lancet on CPTSD and if you might do an article on it. I think clarity between it and Bipolar is interesting, and discussion of comorbidity alongside pds is something the community could use more clairty on.
Where is this article? Intrigued to read it!
Very well explained!
Thanks 😊
Your videos really help me understand my BPD. I’m currently working with a DBT therapist and doing the DBT workbook. These videos definitely help when I’m not in therapy
I'm glad to hear that my videos are providing you with some support on your journey!
Surface overlap versus core content, that makes a lot of sense.
Dr. Fox, i hope that you'd consider w part 2 to this video that is a deep dive. I know cluster b, spectrum, different motivations... But i catch myself gaslighting, or other maladaptive ways to treat others. Even in advice I've given. I'm like oh well tell him this, then think more about what i said then realized i just told someone to be narsassistic.
I think there in lies the danger of using me for your therapist just bc i watch these videos, others, therapy, meds and appearing high functioning. I don't know shit. I can't see my own ungratefulness. I feel terrible. I'm going to self care it up and it's 1230am, so hypomania much. Bipolar too. Makes me want to get high, yeah I'm an addict too.
I don't want to be narsassistic, this video was helpful. I got 3 things to take a look at in changing. Hearing feedback is hard, but i need to hear it and do better;
I’m glad that you found the video helpful and it sounds like you develop some really good insight that you can use going forward to develop adaptive strategies that can help you. I wish you all the best.
this was incredibly helpful, thank you.
Glad it was helpful!
This video was excellent 👍.
extremely helpful, especially to see the things I lack that exist in NPD, & having all the BPD traits. Thanks!!!
Glad it was helpful!
Thank you Dr.Fox always helpful
Thank you 😊
Wonderful video! It did provide clarity on the entitlement aspect. Thank you
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This video has definitely helped me. Thank you
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deff glad you made the distction of core content as that is how to diffritate ..... still even hard for me to kinda get it but one things for sure i don't think I'm above anyone that moment you said how do you know your admired and said ill just know lol I'm like id never know lol or even if people do gve me some form of i don't really belive it this video is pretty awsome i think its user hard to tell the true core need of having someone around as i always start to feel empty and bored and i tend to need ot be by my partner or force myself out to meet friends but i end up just needing them close and alow them to talk and get anything they need to talk about out .... and the entitlement is hard as only truly get entitled when i split then i become super
"confident " and like you said feel i deserve acomadation for my need and don't really feel bad for my actions ..... till the rage leaves then I'm super sorry .... like devastatinly sorry the major depresstion can hit hard part of what drove my self harm suicied attempts after trying to kill my sister is i was traped inside when i snaped and when i came too i couldn't handle that could do that but in the moemmt of that rage i entitled to a lot lol "confidence "
Hi Dr. Fox! Can you touch base on histrionic pd soon? Love all your vids, love what you do ❤️
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I was diagnosed with BPD about a week ago. It explains a lot and why life feels so hard and I often feel out of control. I have major mood swings over minimal stress, especially real or percieved abandonment/rejection. It makes life really painful. Not only for me, but the people around me. I am currently seeking DBT therapy.
I'm so glad this video was helpful for you. I wish you well.
Please do a video on a BPD/ASPD comorbidity thank you! And also do most people with ASPD also meet the criteria for NPD or no?
Who doesn't love a Venn diagram? ;-) Excellent information as always. Thank you!
Amen to that.
Dr. Daniel Fox, could you please make a video on how to stop analyzing, I guess you would call it, people when you talk to them. I had to gauge my parents moods growing up, so I’m hyper aware of everything a person does while talking to them. It’s exhausting to take all that in, in literal seconds, so I tend to stay home. I’m a cashier and work is exhausting, I can’t look up until after I’ve listening to their voice to see if they are ok to talk to. Your videos and workbook have changed my life in six months, when over 25 years of therapy did nothing, thank you.
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Very informative video I suffer with this really badly
Insights thank you
Thank you, Dr Fox! There is no doubt now that my ex had a good mix of both of these disorders. How do you treat someone who has a mix of both? Do you just pick one and see if that helps? Curious.
I wish there was a video on BPD vs covert narcissism.
This clarified that my ex had both NPD and BPD. But I cannot go back to that. It damaged my mental way too much.
The NPD folks that I know can hardly stand to be alone! They have to constantly have someone around, to lift them up and give them attention/narcissistic supply.
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I am a follower from France, i am a 49 year old woman on a healing Journey. After seeing this vidéo now i am almost sure that my mother is rather BPD than NPD, though i think the ravage, or consequences for à child are almost as severe. What do you think about that? Being co dépendent, no sense of self etcetera. I went ko contact last year with both parents feeling "me" for the first time in my life. And how does à person become NBD or BDP? In three words, i suppose the harm or abuse in childhood has kind of the same source ? Thank you so much.
Hi Dr fox good to see you.i have mpd I was texted I only have 2alters. You no there's only one percent of this.and I have BPD traits. Can you do a clip on this.counsiers see it there mpd but I don't under stand it. My brain waves shows it all so.i just love how smart you are on these things .🙋👍🤯
Thank you for your compliment and comment and I wish you all the best.
awesome video :-) more vids for people with npd please!
They’re on the way!!
Sometimes I have a hard time figuring out if I’m misdiagnosed NPD or am I just having a hard time with my identity due to BPD 💔
Do you have a video on how to know if your NPD? I do go to therapy. But I fear i am just manipulating my therapist. How do you know? I saw an article once that said if your concerned your a narc your probably not a narc but then again there are narcs who go to therapy and get help, are they faking the help or are the misdiagnosed? We don't have early as much information on NPD as we do on BPD so my question is how do you personally know if you are truly NPD or BPD.
How many friends do you have? Does anyone actively dislike you? Any enemies? Between friends and enemies, someone will give you an honest appraisal.
I personally don't see NPD traits. But, maybe you have covert or vulnerable instead of grandiose or malignant. Or maybe no NPD or BPD. Maybe just life is tough, people are selfish and a therapist is another voice to guide you. I need one, but I think I go into entertainment mode around others. So, this is my preferred method of self-help/other help.
Caveat: as a man, I consider all women narcissistic, deceitful, and crazy. So, if you are any of those, you are an average, healthy woman.
Is it common for someone to go from BPD to NPD? I have watched a friend appear to do that over the years.
Dr. Fox please make a video about the difference between Narcissistic Personality Disorder and Avoidant Personality Disorder. Because they seems feel same. And as BPD person that has ex-partner with that traits is torturing and totally confusing.
Thank you for your suggestion and I wish you all the best.
i'm glad i get it now! My ex suffers from npd. I was always confused
Glad this video was helpful.
I'm confused about something. Can you have both BPD and NPD at the same time? If it's possible, what would it look like?
My eyes have opened up to the possibility that I might suffer from NPD, but after watching many of your videos and specifically this video I seem to identify with both NPD and BPD. I'm getting a personality disorder assessment in a few weeks and I'm feeling quite anxious about the process, but your videos give me hope.
So thank you so much for your efforts, they are such a comfort as it's easy to feel like there is no hope and nobody loves you when the dark thoughts creep in.
you just said the md with npd acheieved many tasks in your example but also that npd persons don’t acheieve most tasks.
Appreciate your expert insight but it is very difficult to listen due to the distortion of sound.
I’m sorry about that.
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@@thereisnosanctuary6184 - that's why I expressed my appreciation first as there is no way I would want to cause affront to Dr Fox as his videos have been of such incredible value to me over the past few months to understand BPD. I got diagnosed 20 yrs ago and then by another psych in 2015 but had blocked it out and only realised after coming across the Dr's letters again whilst looking for something else. I didn't realise that attitudes had changed and a lot of research had been done in the past few decades and was devastated as I've never related to the 'stereotypical' portrayal of it. l couldn't accept it until I started watching Dr Fox's videos and now I do 100%. I have much to be thankful to Dr Fox.
Is it Possible that an individual can be dual diagnosed with BPD and NPD?
Dr. Fox, thank you. Do you have current data on comorbidity percentage? I'm seeing people claim 40% or higher, and that doesn't seem accurate to me. I vaguely remember one of your videos saying it was more like 25%?
40% is way too high. It about 25% likelihood to cooccur, but traits of one of the other are also likely. It's complex
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Thoughts on bpd and npd comorbidity?
Can the grandiose “perfect” projection also be the intentional sharing of flaws and personal development obstacles to make the person seem more human?
I never knew anything about borderline personality disorder. Is it treatable without medication if there is a diagnosis and a willing party? I can recognize narcissistic traits and yet when you talked about entitlement that was the difference for me. The impulsiveness factor for me seems to come when I am stressed. Can someone with BPD be someone that was raised by 2 people with NPD? I need to get in to therapy. Never went growing up and in my relationships I typically gave and gave and fixed and enabled so no one really complained but I am seeing this past year my families dysfunction and my part in it and I desperately want to be healthy!
This is a treatable disorder. Impulsivity is a serious problem but developing insight and adaptive strategies can help. I wish you well.
@@DrDanielFox Thank you very much for sharing that info! I appreciate your channel very informative and I haven't been diagnosed with BPD but if I am at least I will know that there is hope!
Dr. Fox if narcissism is often stemming from trauma do treatments like mindfulness, IFS, and other things for cptsd helpful ?
Can a narcissist create a core content and a sense of self if they are committed?
I think I am a narc and I am really interested.
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How can i convince undiagnosed bpd boyfriend to see a pyschologist? Im following you so long and i always check the difference of bpd-npd-dissociation and cptsd im keeping coming to bpd for him. But i want also clearity whats going on with him? So can you help me dr?
Can u go into quiet bpd. I get not a dianoses.
Please Dr can you do a video on a bpd in a relationship with someone with adhd. I need help
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What if my person literally has all of what you mentionned? From bpd and npd
Feeling not noticed, yes. But also not feeling understood.
The entitlement with texts is so real 😭😭 I hate it. I don’t really reach out a lot but go the opposite direction & start to detach from a person instead.
Thanks for sharing your experience. It's good to know others can relate to the texting struggles.
Cluster B, the B stands for "Better run for the hills when you meet one"
Hi, it just stands for after A as there are 3 clusters ABC
how often do these go undiagnosed? id say in America Often
I see lot of people here saying i ve BPD and thanks to dr fox unlike people with NPD
Its also possible one person has BPD and NPD ??
Struggling with my husband who destroy marriage please help me I need healing
It is possible to have both. I wish you well.
BPD, is on a spectrum and is a part of a cluster (B), so why(based on the overlapping) can it not be seen as a vasulation, to and from NPD? I'm only asking. Thank you 😊.
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Now what if they clash? Someone with bpd and someone with npd?
I wonder of someone can have BPD, dont mind being alone, but also have a need for being admired. Is there a spectrum that flirts with the common ground of BPD and NPD and if so how does a therapist determine if its really NPD or if its BPD.
Thank you for mentioning that those of us with BPD fear abandonment while those with NPD don’t truly fear abandonment. NPD want control and want their egos to be nurtured. There is this misconception that those with NPD fear abandonment when they really don’t fear abandonment; they just don’t like what it does to their ego
Excellent insight and I appreciate your comment. Take care.
Can a person be BPD ONLY in romantic relationships?
Certain features may get exhibited while issues arise in relationships.
For people with bpd is also difficult to ofer an apologize? The lack of empathy is not another feature that sometimes we can see in bpd?
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I guess the lack of empathy could be associated with splitting episodes perhaps
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It depends with apologizing, could he difficuties or could also overapologize all the time... at the core there is shame, but people deal with it differently...
And lack of empathy when triggered, during an episode but not generally like with npd.... so depends on the situation...
The way I understand it is that, as an example: the person with bpd may have a rageful episode where they say harsh things to their partner, maybe for something trivial that triggered them. For the bpd person it may feel justified whatever harsh thing they said, because their emotions were hurt, and they may not want to apologize. This may be perceived as "You hurt my emotions, so I don't have any reason to apologize for anything" and it would look like entitlement from the point of view of the non-bpd partner (or from any outsider of the relationship). So, you have this conflicting point of views that may end up destroying the relationship. That is why is important that the bpd person gets therapy to learn to manage these impulses, but also the non-bpd partner could take therapy/training (couples therapy) to learn to identify these moments and understand their bpd partner's mind, that not always the harsh words should be taken personally, since it is difficult for their bpd partner to control it.
My partner says I am narcissistic, however my diagnosis is BPD. Is this the best video to share?
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No ,it's not.
There’s a high rate a comorbidity. Especially in males. I see a lot of videos attempting to explain the differences, but this group exists. I wish you’d explain what that looks like.
I can absolutely explain the overlap. Great idea.
Thanks!
Can a person have both NPD and BPD?
Yes
They’re not that different. Especially when you’re speaking of the persons! Not the books 📚 or PowerPoints. In my 11 years as a mental health professional on an inpatient psychiatric unit, I saw the similarities and also found that persons with BPD can be extremely selfish and manipulative, and lacking EMPATHY for their loved ones and the providers. The flavor of their behaviors are very similar.
Having had the unfortunate experience of dealing with both of these types of people, I can say that one of the things that makes them very similar is their tendency to manipulate people. Both will use a variety of underhanded tactics to control the emotions and actions of others. Moreover, both will use character assassination tactics to seek revenge and hurt the reputation of those who threaten them or trigger their insecurities. Lastly, both will unconsciously self sabotage and often become their own worst enemy.
Hi Dr Fox! I really enjoyed this video. I always find the three of the four cluster b personalities borderline, antisocial, and narcissistic very interesting to learn about since In my personal experience they are by far the most common and I would bet they are in general as well. What does everyone think is the most common personality disorder or maybe like a top 3? It would be wonderful to hear peoples answers! I would love to hear your answer too Dr. Fox if you see this
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Its not actually a real thing though right? Its not like we have a memory address to use a computer analogy. Ive known people that have both equally relative to this information.
With all due respect, Doc, i'm not sure if "intolerance of ALONENESS" is the accurate term for what you describe.
I feel that the lyricist of the band Silverchair said it best when he sings:
"I don't wanna be lonely; I just wanna be alone."
Or maybe i'm just the introverted kind of BPD endurer?
Also, lately i feel like my BPD is sort of "transforming" into NPD. It's like i observe myself (sometimes) exhibiting NPD traits.
Is that even possible, Doc?
Or can BPD & NPD be comorbid?
I've been diagnosed with BPD by a psychologist years ago, btw, so it it's not only a self-diagnosis. Unfortunately for me & my countrymen, DBT & other effective evidence-based treatment options are out of reach, both geographically & financially. (So you fellow endurers who have access to DBT etc, count yourselves very lucky :) And get well soon i truly hope!)
Anyway, thank you for what you're doing, Doc (plus there's something Michael Keaton about you, which makes me enjoy hearing you talk--mean it as a compliment :) ). I hope awareness & accurate information about BPD in the US gets higher & higher, then trickle down to where i live, where awareness & knowledge have just started to grow, but still far far away from enough. Here people can be really skeptic about Psychology as a whole & simply ignore the knowledge & solutions it provides.
Last thing i feel the need to say, maybe it's just me but i feel men with BPD are sort of "under-represented" in discussions about BPD. I feel there are as many men as there are women affected by BPD, but many of us are just too "macho" & prideful to admit that we have a problem.
Thank you for your comment and I actually have a video on men with borderline personality disorder that you might find interesting. I wish you all the best.
Sounds really distorted
Video suggestion time besides your audio difficulty. Doc I know you specialize in treatment of disorders. As I think about my relationships with people and then with each other not everyone qualifies as having a disorder. Or can be called a narcissist or a borderline or a sociopath or an avoidant. They don't qualify for a noun at all. But I noticed in the relationships between people that they might have some of the acceptable qualities of someone that might have a disorder. Such as the person that cannot stand the idea of their boyfriend or girlfriend breaking up with them, or being fired from their job, and the other person who seems slightly more callous about doing so. That there are personality liens based on previous experiences and just genetics Maybe. And of course every single relationship has a power differential there are no true equals. Mother child, employer employee, and I even say friend and friend. One of those friends hell even one of those twins in a twin set, is more likely the leader. And of course the leader is able to vent his or her frustration in ways that the followers not able to. Can you do a video someday just about human relationships where it's not defined by a term like you are codependent you're this or that? Like the basic average human beings and their relationships and how they become unfair, or crumble. I've noticed a lot of people in my own life that when they shut me out they shut me out for good. And I don't think any of them had a personality disorder. And of course there's some people I've met with personality disorders a few unrelated to and I have to get away from them for my own sanity but I don't really shut them out per se. But then I also hear anecdotes about their previous friends or previous girlfriend's boyfriend's ex-husband's ex-wives. EX employer. And it just feels like if narcissism and borderline disorders could be watered down is something acceptable that you're finding these traits in every human being. Someone is the more callous abandoner, and someone is the more weak-willed dependent. Could you do a video just about human relationships? Especially the bad part about them. Speaking to your followers who are concerned about disorders, have their own disorders, or don't have the disorder at all. Is all of us have to deal with other human beings and we're all supposed to create and have relationships in some way or another. But it seems like at least in my world every relationship has got a tipping point.
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I think impulsivity is an overlap as well
Yes, you're absolutely right! Impulsivity can definitely overlap with other traits and behaviors. It's fascinating how interconnected everything is.
@@DrDanielFox yes, really fascinating. I’ve encountered both and noticed commonalities.
Seems like vulnerable NPD was left out.