The Uncle Ben Problem: Spider-Man Far From Home
Vložit
- čas přidán 8. 09. 2024
- I'm BACK for the moment.
Spider-Man: Far From Home is the second installment in the Marvel Cinematic Universe Spider-Man series. The movie has already received wide acclaim and is on the track to getting a billion dollars at the box office. I saw the movie too, and I had a blast! But upon further inspection, there's a glaring omission from the movie that is at the core of the problems I have with this incarnation of Spider-Man. Yes, it's some old fart that says something about responsibility or whatever.
Social Links!:
/ theupbringer
#SpiderManFFH #FarFromHomeReview
This video should get more views. Spider-man is about choices, consequences and responsibilities. Far from home is what you call a joke. Its more of a comedy than a superhero film.
If the MCU wanted something different by not retelling like Uncle Ben's death, why didn't they go for adult spiderman who already doing this heroic deed for years?
@Drewster but In civil war he has been Spider-Man for 6 months
You summed it up perfectly
The MCU Spider-Man movies are completely soulless imo, it’s not that we needed to see uncle Ben die again, but his death has little to no impact on peter or aunt may in the mcu, they also missed a huge opportunity with aunt May, she could’ve been one that survived the thanos snap and have her go into depression when peter is gone and could’ve lead to huge dramatic tension for when peter comes back in Spider-Man 2 where she could be forbidding peter from being spidey and the dilemma peter faces when choosing to be a hero or choosing to honour his aunts wishes
Real missed opportunity for storytelling and character development there. MCU Spider-Man fails.
Uncle Ben simply doesn't exist in MCU
I was thinking the same thing, they should’ve had May stay alive so that way she’s older (and doesn’t have to be “hot aunt” joke anymore) and she’s even more protective of Peter. I would’ve made Peter even more determined to be Spider-Man and stop crime because of the events of IW & Endgame. He feels like he could’ve done more and maybe the snap would’ve have happened while May HATES that Peter is Spider-Man, she wants him to stop being a hero and be a normal 16/17 yr old kid so she makes him give up his Iron Spider suit and the Homecoming suit and makes him go on the field trip so he can have a fun time and normal but Peter doesn’t like that or want that but it’s nothing he can do about it.
@@anjaneyasreetrout2444 Uncle ben exists in the mcu he just ain't mention it
Yesssssss. If they didn't want to show uncle ben die again they could have either done it like the spectacular spider man or made peter out of college and show his clear foundation such as ps4 spider man
I'm about to make a take, and no this isn't about cOmIc aCcuRacY or CoNsEquEnCes:
I think Peter Parker without Uncle Ben feels very shallow, and incomplete. His potential for character depth is held back by Uncle Ben's absence. These new Spider-Man movies don't deal with death however, and they're meant to be lighthearted which is an issue. They sadly won't have Uncle Ben in the MCU because of this.
That's not a spicy take, those are cold, hard facts!
@@DinoDave150 exactly
@YouMakeYouCringeAlot For all i'm concerned he might as well not exist, he's not been mentioned once and Spider-Man remembers daddy stark and not his uncle Ben, the reason that makes him Spider-Man in the first place.
I think the they made the movies lightheaded on purpose,because they are kinda giving us a sorta Avengers pattern
Remember what they did with the Avengers movies?
they made the heroes win all the time,when Infinity war came out non comic readers were expecting a win for the heroes..because they saw the pattern of the movies and the MCU was hoping they would expect a win,because when everyone died that was really unexpected.Also i don't think uncle Ben will be mentioned until the later films,because Homecoming was him officially becoming Spider-man in Civil it was kinda obvious that his uncle died and you know the rest of the story........that's why you see him with that homemade spidey suit he made,i feel like when Tony gave him that suit what his uncle said about responsibility really hit him because now he could actually do a lot of things with a suit like that(Helping more people) and Far from home deals with the loss of his Farther figure who came into his life 6 months later after his uncle died.....I think this third movie will at least have a flashback of his uncle,but at least that is what i think
Peter without Uncle Ben is like Batman without his parents got killed
In the MCU , Iron-Boy's mentor is not the man who raised him , loved him , instilled in him moral teachings that would define his Life and died because of the young Man's single moment of selfishness after obtaining powers but rather a self-righteous , arrogant billionare who made his fortune on selling explosives to terrorists , blackmailed his teenage ass to fight a gaggle of superpowered people without any information on what was the situation about or any training , supported an amoral and illegal Law that infringed upon the Human rights of countless people when it specifically did not apply to his priviledged ass , tried to murder a disabled veteran for crimes that were comitted while he was mentally enslaved , ignored him for like a year when he desperately needed guideance , perved on his widowed aunt and mother figure , tried to shame him for not obeying him mindlessly after all the missed calls when he gave him no reason to trust him , shamed him for his work then chastised him for not standing on his own , tried to shame him over drastic actions that he thought he needed to take over the Billionare not actually giving him the proper information on what was happening , took away his property when he had gifted it to him (Forcing him to walk naked through New York City) , credits himself over all his succeses and finally left his teenage ass (after dying like a bitch for no reason) an orbital bombardment weapon that almost accidentally murdered like countless innocent people .
This is just one of the countless reasons why MCU "Spider-Man" will never be Spider-Man .Benjamin Parker is one of the foundational pieces of Peter Parker as a Man and as a Hero .The MCU could never compare .
@Erik Kemeey
No , he became even more of a douche
@Erik Kemeey
Habe you actually seen Iron-Man ? .Ever ? .
@Erik Kemeey
Like when he gave a teenager an orbital mass murder weapon or when he signed and enforced a legislation that attacked the Human rights of his co-workers and friends ? .
This is why we need an origin story,no matter how many times we've seen it,no matter how many times we complain that,"Oh,we really don't want or need to rehash the origin all over again." Because when you don't have a great foundation,you don't have a good structure with which to tell good stories. Hence you end up with....well,this. Meandering,directionless,haphazard stuff like this.
That being said,you grossly underestimated this version of Aunt May. Particularly when she discovered that her nephew was Spider-Man.
Seriously, I dare anyone reading this post,to *NOT* have a similar reaction. You can't. It's impossible. Even the Marvel Universe's Aunt May felt the same way,minus the verbal explosion.
Only recently saw FFH and completely agree. I'm perplexed that after 5 movie appearances we still are dealing with Iron Man related plots.
Even more perplexed that Tony would give Edith to a 16 year old and lay that burden on one..especially when Ironman already has a "sidekick" more logically suited to be responsible for something like EDITH....um....War Machine?..anybody remember him?
Where is he in all this? I cannot believe that Pepper is down with this and Aunt May?
It feels like this is Miles Morales Spider-man in an arc that War Machine should have had as far as dealing with a world without iron Man.
literally the only reason why Peter becomes Spider-man is uncle ben. Not Iron Man. Iron Man is who Peter looks up to while Uncle Ben was Peters reason to keep going and save people, no matter what. If Uncle Ben didn't have a big role in Spider-Man Peter would basically be the green goblin. Like what the frick. If they don't make Uncle Ben have a bigger role in Spider-man 3 I'm actually not going to like the mcu spidey anymore. I heard that if Spider-Man 3 has Kraven there is a scene in it where Peter almost kills Kraven, and boom, "With Great Power come" okay yeah we know but it's a perfect moment for it.
They are filming spiderman 3
The writer for Homecoming confirmed that when Peter said to Ned “with everything that she’s gone through” (aunt may) is a reference to Uncle Ben.
But Spider-Man existed before peter met Tony
@pabss shut up nigga
@@arnninstudios8532 imo if they do that I'll be more mad cos if she's gone through so much then where the hell is the evidence for that
You are right, no Uncle Ben makes this MCU Iron Man fanboy Spider-Man, look lame and underdeveloped. Plus the all female scene in Endgame, made me think Spider-Man was emasculated for Female empowerment. MCU Spider-Man may feel like Ultimate Spider-Man, but it's not Ultimate Peter Parker though.
Yeah man
Tony Stark as a father figure to Peter Parker, he's not even half the man that makes Uncle Ben more of a father.
Seeing Uncle Ben die for the third time is not as bad as people believe.
Raimi's Uncle Ben and Webb's Uncle Ben have the character go through different stories.
Raimi's Peter sees the man who killed his uncle was the guy he let go? He cries and then pulls himself up.
Webb's Peter sees the manwho killed his uncle was the guy he let go? He goes on a quest for revenge.
Each origin story was different.
@@RM-cn8pw
Yeah, and once Raimi's Peter gets his revenge, he becomes Spider-Man after graduating in order to let his uncle's last words to him mean something. Webb's Peter becomes Spider-Man during the bridge scene, arguably the best scene in the movie.
@@RM-cn8pw
I didn't dodge anything. You accused someone who isn't in this conversation of something you have no proof of. Also, rereading your comment made me realize you didn't actually read my rhetorical questions. I wasn't talking about the characters going on to get revenge, I was talking about how they reacted when they found out the guy they let go is the guy that killed his uncle.
@@RM-cn8pw
So you understood that I was talking about how both characters react to uncle Ben's killer being the guy they let go, and you somehow had the intelligence to claim that they reacted the exact same way?
@@RM-cn8pw
You said they weren't the same origin because Raimi's Peter had his revenge, even though what I said was that Webb and Raimi had Peter react differently to the realization that the thief they let go killed his uncle.
If they suddenly mention uncle Ben in the next movie it's now going to feel forced, fake and not organic to the story or to this terrible version of Spider-man so I hope eventually he gets killed off in the MCU or something down the line and gets one final reboot in the Sony verse with actual good writers attached to it
MCU Spider-Man 3 is in a terrible position
If they cater to Everyone then it becomes like the Rise if Skywalker. The whole movie being a apology letter to the critics, its upset fans and upsetting everyone in the process, even the casuals
Even if they make MCU Spider-Man 3 work and tell a really good story while addressing the critiques it'll still feel "forced"
@@NiohArcadia Well, Spider-Man far from home was so meh that it will be difficult to tell a good story, it was a dumb plot that already felt forced anyways
disney is never gonna give us a grown up spiderman with actual problems ECT.
Disney is only good of making Mickey Mouse and Donald Duck. Imagine if they would make Spiderman 3 a musical.
It would have been super cool to see Peter and May argue as to why he should/not be Spider-Man. Peter could let her know that he’s doing this because of Uncle Ben and she could have expressed how she doesn’t want to lose him too. That could have been really interesting...
If you like this idea then read ultimate Spiderman, they talk in issue 111 if you want to just read that but it's a great comic you won't regret reading it
Which could LEAD to Peter telling her that he let the criminal who shot Ben go after he robbed who knows where Peter was whether gas station or wrestling ring like seriously. I mean yeah it was in the Raimi films where he told the truth, but still.
Blaming TASM's dark tone for why people didn't like it is like saying mortal kombat is a bad movie because of it's awful cgi. In the end they only fix the surface issue and keep cranking out the same old garbage
Before Far From Home ever aired on the big screen, I had a crazy theory that MCU Spider-Man is actually a clone (Ben Reilly).
In Homecoming there is a teacher simply name Ms.Warren (probably relate to Miles Warren aka Jackal), not to mention the makeshift Spidey suit resemble Ben Reilly suit. As for Aunt May somewhere off screen they brainwashed her just to keep her mouth shut and that explain the "What the fu.." moment didn't go anywhere.
nigga stfu lmaoooooooooo
@@Saint0999 🤣
lmaoo wow that's...kinda brilliant but insane
Is it sad that even though he’s my favorite superhero Spider-Man is one of my least favorite parts of the mcu
no
It is sad. But that's because he's one of the worst parts of the MCU. His character had potential, especially what it represented to Tony. But now that Tony is gone, Peter is just there to take part in teen comedy movies with a superhero backdrop. Since there isn't a lot of maturity or depth to his character and films, Iron Man dying has left this Spider-man with not much to do in this universe. Tony was too important to this Peter's motivation and character arc, and now the MCU Peter just wonders around stumbling and bumbling.
I think people are way to obsessed with Spider-man being a teenager to see that there is more to his character than just trying to go to prom and be Spider-man.
His character was about his guilt and responsibility complex, but that is nowhere to be found in the MCU Spidey. So he just kinda does superhero stuff to prove himself to Tony, and then to honor Tony I guess? Which doesn't really create many thematic dilemmas in the actual stories.
@@Mirrorcomics24 yes
@@jimbeam2299 no it’s not sad
@@Mirrorcomics24 my bad lol
I agreed with everything you said, it was actually quite emotional with how you explained your points and the music choice. And yes please I really want to hear more on what you have to say
What song is it I need to know😭
Well said man, I enjoyed so much HomeComing and FarFromHome but they missed really missed Uncle Ben, I would of loved if they at least mentioned him at one point! My favorite Spidey of all if I had to choose would be Spectacular Spidey, second 90s and after that its really hard to decide! I can not wait for Spidey 3 and I so much hope that they could continue Spectacular Spider-Man, I also created a tribute about it;)
Keep up the great work mate:)
I'd love to see more of your opinion on Spider-Man Far From Home i think you have a really great channel I hope you get more subscribers Man
Damn. That aunt may scene from the tasm movie got me.
Yea I understand not wanting to cover Uncle Ben’s death on screen, but it sucks to see the MCU almost completely disregard him
this version of spiderman is way to positive and happy.
This video perfectly summarizes all the problems with the absence of Uncle Ben in the MCU. Congratulations, man! You just earned yourself a subscriber!
4:28
Exactly!!!!
They are redoing Spider-Man origin but messing it up big time
I really hope this blows up because holy shit you hit the point right in the head.
If you're going to make a new spiderman with a new backstory and new supporting cast... then don't bring personality traits from the classic spiderman in expecting us to just assume we know how he became that way. You can't have both
@@RM-cn8pw
Really? Explain why this Peter Parker is a good person.
As a fellow Amazing Spiderman fan myself i am in solidarity with ya 😔👍 but really I completely agree with your input on the importance of Uncle Ben and how the MCU could portray his importance in so many ways, besides doing the cliche uncle ben death scene all over again.
I just stumbled on your channel and subscribed 👍
"I didn't hate Michelle Jones in this one." lol, glad it's not just me :D
Yeah, in the first one, I thought she was most annoying character, completely hated her, found her rude, obnoxious (like her Washington Monument comment), and didn't even see her as very attractive (I think it's mostly the hair, she doesn't just let it flow down naturally in the first one).
Far From Home did a 180 for me, she's one of the most exciting characters and very beautiful and sweet. Like is this even the same character? lol. But yeah, Far From Home, she reminds me of many of the love interests I had throughout my life :)
Homecoming was probably not the best movie to introduce me to Zendaya, because every other movie I've seen her in, she's very beautiful and sweet. Far From Home, The Greatest Showman, the clips of Dunes I've see, clips from other movies, etc.
Beautifully said. But I think that maybe there isn't a uncle Ben in Tom's universe at all, maybe aunt may has been single the entire time, seeing as to how they never touch specifically on uncle Ben at all. Like not once is he mentioned by name or even hinted at, so I think it's very likely that he simply doesn't exist. That being said, I think you're right in that to have a good Spiderman we do need that lesson learned, that tragic past that keeps Peter going because he always wants to do what uncle Ben would've wanted, to be the kind of man he was. And the fact that all the beat Peter parkers were the best were flawed by the fact that they always had to live with the fact that it was their fault, the hero always had to never forgive himself for it
Edit: wow I'm sorry I said "The fact" so much so please excuse that lol
8:48 My argument exactly!
The chef's kiss in my opinion!
Definitely needs more views!! Spider man CANT exist without uncle Ben. I think they should at least mention what Ben meant to Peter
To Peter Parker, Aunt May is his courage, his world and his motivation to get up everyday to save people no matter how fuck up the situation is or he’s at his breaking point.
For Spider-Man, Ironman captain America Thor and other superheroes are someone he looks up to as hero and wants to be as great as them. So consider how in this MCU, Tony Stark was the first hero that approached him and ask his help, it makes sense he became his mentor and all that. But....for both Peter/Spider-Man, Uncle Ben is someone he aspire to become. The day he died is the day Peter stop being naive,stupid and selfish. He put the city and the people first beyond anything else. See, no matter how brilliant or powerful or even if he become the greatest superheroes, Peter will always thinks he’s far from becoming as great as Uncle Ben.
So while I understand the Spider-Man fans, I also understand for normal moviegoers who don’t read the comics doesn’t want to repeat the same thing everytime they redo the characters. Changing certain storyline is fine coz I think we all can agree there are things in the comic will not make sense in a live action Movie. The rules are different. But the basic fundamental of a person becoming a hero is something you CANNOT change no matter how many times you reboot it, in this case Uncle Ben.
i feel like you should revisit this video and make a follow up on how you felt about no way home, great video bro loved it.
Aunt may being fine about peter being Spider-Man in mcu it's the punch in the chest, because it just doenst matter for the case of uncle ben right marvel, aaaaah...stupid.
Frankly this feels like a good critique. As a fan of spider-man and the mcu version, Its an actual critique at the flaws without going "boo hoo iron boy jr. Lel."
If you look past the iron man jr statements this is literally what most people who don't like these spiderman movies are saying. Like sometimes word for word.
Lol true but I think it’s because a lot of people, including myself, don’t wanna go through all that effort to explain why since it takes a lot of time but this video basically summarizes my thoughts on mcu spider-man perfectly. Still enjoy it but it’s far from the best because of the reasons given here haha
The only difference between Tony Stark and Uncle Ben is that Uncle Ben is really worried and concerned about Peter's future. He tries to motivate Peter to do good things by teaching him the principles of philosophy. I don't believe Stark enables Peter to do good at the first place, he just finds some flaws in Peter and never helps him to overcome those flaws. Tony never helps Peter in his journey into becoming a 'man'. He always is somewhat like this, "Do this Peter because I said so!" or "You're no backup, the adults are talking." I can't imagine of comparing Uncle Ben to Tony Stark, it's impossible!
a spider-man without responsibility is not peter parker.and a peter parker without uncle ben(the very definition of responsibility) is not spider-man
It’s simply definitive
How in the hell am I ONLY coming across this channel?!?!?! God this is perfection.
excluding uncle ben from the spiderman story is like excluding kite from gon story in hunterxhunter... its not a simple creative freedon that don't affect the plot ITS FRIGGIN FUNDAMENTAL PIECE OF CHARACTER MOTIVATION, even when kite comes latter it feels out of nowhere and it dosn't have the emotional inpact like the manga have, the same thing will happen to uncle ben when he does show up latter. I like hunterxhunter, but to me and many other people excluding kite from the anime was a pretty bad idea that hide funtamental info for those that didn't read the manga. Same thing with tom holland (i refuse to call him spiderman or peter parker) its pretty shallow story telling if you rob the main character motivation and even if you change that character motiv, change it for something just meaningfull like they did with miles in into the spiderverse, than just wanting tony stark sugar baby.
Dont worry I secretly adore the amazing spiderman movies too even with there flaws
The new movie proves you don’t need uncle Ben it’s the message that’s important
Didn’t age well especially when he called aunt may a worthless character
@@sticknodessquad604 lets be real though, MCU aunt may is a worthless character, she barley has much screen time, and her death wasn't really that emotionally impactful to us as the audience as for most of the MCU movies, all she ever really was, was just peters 'hot aunt'. Aside from her death, she never really had any memorable/emotional scenes such as the "theres a hero in all of us" speech Raimi aunt may gave, or the "you're my boy" speech TASM aunt may gave.
The Amazing Spider-Man is a great film.
Your channel is super underrated you have great drawing and have great content you’re like a super underrated saberspark keep up the good work
Just the picture of Uncle Ben's Suitcase with the suit Tony made for him should be one of the strongest Emotional scene that should get explored in that movie
Your “hot take” is ice cold bro. That shit was straight facts
I had a very similar experience. I thought the movie was great at first, but over time I started to have the same problems with it that you did. I would love to see more of your opinion of Spider-Man (or the MCU in general.)
I have a good idea for Spider-Man no way home. I think a good focus of the movie should be Tom realizing how he has tried to place the image of uncle Ben and his parents on tony. They barely know each other and Peter is trying to not feel like he has no father as all are gone and when tony died he felt as if his uncle was dying again and by the end he finally accepts his uncle and parents are dead and he’s not gonna use a rich dude he barely knows to try to keep them alive through tony and is going to look up to his parents and their teachings and them be the big influence for him being Spider-Man and parental figures for him even if they are dead and not a stranger like tony. One way to start this is when seeing Tobey and Andrew for the first time he realizes they look exactly like his uncle and dad. One false report said that the grave scene in far from home was supposed to have his uncle and parents names and then have Ironman pop up to show he’s trying to put the image of his father figures on Ironman and I wish this was what happened as it is way more meaningful and deep. It said it was avi arads fault and with the new deal he has no power when actually he had no power in the first place but it did say marvel has more power in the movies which I hope is true. If you say they spent a lot of time that’s not true. They spent this much time together: Ironman recruites Peter and leaves, They fight cap, tony brings him home, tony occasionally tells Peter to back off and then he takes the suit. Tony offers Peter to join the avengers and Peter refuses. Peter joins the fight against thanks then dies, comes back and then watches tony die. This would work very well with what I’ve said so far as they barely have had anytime together to justify peters sadness. I hope dr stranges role in the movie is very minor and only as much time as ragnorak and only be involved in the multiverse stuff crap. The major roles taking that place should be Toby and Andrew who help him not replace his parental figures but only look up to his real parents
This deserves more views
Agree 100% Also TASM May is my favorite May. TASM is my favorite. And Spidey was the last MCU movie I saw in theaters too.
People say "it's a differnt take" and I say no it isn't, because a take means you are taking a spin on the character we know, Spider-Man Noir is a spin on Spider-Man because it keeps the core of the character and places him in a completely different environment, Gotham by Gaslight is a completely different take on Batman but it keeps the core because without the core it isn't that character. If you don't keep the core of the character then it isn't that character, and as idiots will say that that doesn't matter, then you can't say Spidey is your favorite because then there is nothing consistent that makes him your favorite.
Now im wondering where Peter got bit by the Spiderman and who created the Spiderman
Was it in Dr. Connors’ lab? Was it in Oscorp? Was it in Dr. Octavius’ lab?
What if it was Tony Stark because every shit that happened in the mcu so far is a result of Tony Stark and his bullshit ideas. He made Ultron, he made Vulture, he made Mysterio. What else? I am assuming that in the next spiderman film another villain would like to fuck up spiderman because of Tony Stark. John Watts and his team of lazy ass writers will never change. They will use Iron Man as the cause iof every shit that happened in the MCU. At least Captain America fought Hydra and Hydra was already established secret organisation that infiltrated the world in the comics while Iron Man being the reason for creating Spiderman villains is bullshit. I would like to watch MCU Spiderman 3 only to know how this fucking situation regarding Peter´s identity will end. However, I will always be sceptical regarding the good plot and good character development in the movie.
@@samuelkohi4415 finally someone that speaks my language
I've recently thought of the idea that in this version farlie Stilwell a hammer sicesnet creates possible super soldiers for hydra which during that time a Justin was in jail one of the board of directors became the new CEO to replace hammer i saying that could be Norman Osborn and he is looming around secretly in the background and the reference to spider Man in ant Man mean Peter could of gotten bit around 2014/2015 where it was at the field Trip at hammer get got bit just some idea to think about
Damn I was driving in my car and this video randomly started playing, I thought to myself, “damn; really want to hear this guys opinion on no way home and how aunt may is basically uncle Ben and the trilogy was this peters origin story” only to see he hasn’t posted in 6 months :(
Basically you will only be happy when they directly compare this spiderman to the previous two in a film. You know, you can always go back and watch the previous five movies.
Not necessarily what he said
Not what he said at all
There is a Theory that Peter Parker's motivation was him Leaving his parents And them getting killed By whiplash's Robots in iron man 2
Need my Trav-man back, and thanks for always having your opinion always out there loud and proud *dumps you in septic tank*
I actually hate mcu spiderman i don't know how its so popular everything is wrong with it
Hes just iron man jnr
No mention or flashback of uncld ben
Mj is terrible with bad attude she never been like that
May way too young shes acts bit slutty ngl she knows peter spiderman thats ridiculous
No harry
The only good thing is vilans thats it everhing else sucks
I agree, uncle is very important for Spider-Man’s character, now granted; I DO love far from home and I do understand that they don’t want to do another origin story....However, like you’ve mentioned it doesn’t mean to completely remove uncle Ben, uncle Ben is the main reason for Spiderman being who he is and is what makes him one of the greatest superhero characters ever. ignoring uncle Ben altogether does seem very disrespectful to me, this is why I do believe the Raimi spidey is the most definitive Spiderman even though this is a really fun Spiderman that I do still love it’s not the Spiderman I personally believe to be the best and I feel that maybe people think this is the best Spiderman because it’s some new flashy stuff to see, maybe I’m wrong on that but that’s what it feels like also I noticed that blowing up the suitcase with “BFP” was disrespectful in my opinion
@@RM-cn8pw they literally laughed off his suitcase being destroyed.
@@RM-cn8pw Aunt May literally said the suit case destroyed then immediately laughed it off.
Even if it was "Just a suitcase" as you put it. Peter still cared about about his Uncles personal items in the comics.
@@RM-cn8pw
She did laugh it off. What do you call "Oh, it blew up [laughs]"? Laughing at his safety? Also, just because the world is at stake doesn't mean you throw away what matters most to you like it's nothing.
This Channel Deserves more subs
I agree
I feel like if I say I like MCU Spider-Man, then I'll be called a fake Spidey fan.
I definitely have my complaints with this version of the character, I prefer 616 Spidey and Tobey big time-
But-
Y'know what, I just realized this comment is worthless.
The problem is not liking own version over the other its saying one is better then the others, like saying mcu is the best live action Spider-Man is false and saying he is the best is someone who doesn’t understand the character
Spider man in mcu is like the robin
Sorry to post so late but the thing that rattles me up is that they only mentioned uncle Ben in marvels what if! But not at all in live action.
Don't get me wrong I love the films, but you explained it greatly without the character Uncle Ben and the impact he brought to the narrative of Spidey's story and legacy, who's death pretty much made Peter the hero he is you pretty much make Spider-Man feel incomplete to those with that basic knowledge of the Spidey Lore.
I’m sorry that aunt may in the mcu isn’t struggling I guess
6:05 is not a hot take at all. Its just cold hard facts. NO ONE can even deny this at all
@@RM-cn8pw NAME ONE MOMENT THAT COMPETES! Name one real moment with Peter that had him just have a real down to earth moment as Peter Parker. One moment that isn't followed up immediately by a joke or Spider-Man antics.
@@RM-cn8pw So not only are you reaching with each and every one of those moments you also failed so bad at the point here.
None of those besides like the ONE conversation with May after Tony took the suit and his moments with Vulture are actual character growing and drama scenes that delves deep into his character as Peter Parker. You just blatantly listed off any and any interaction Peter had even including those that hold literally zero significance to the plot or the character.
So not only you tried and failed, because still not even that ONE TALK with May or Vulture scene can compete with the scenes he presented in the film. I award you a huge L
@@RM-cn8pw First of all I have a normal sized duck, his name is Quackers. Second of all the point was to name character drama moments that can and are perfectly isolated from the superhero film it sets itself in.
SM2 having Peter confess to Aunt May about his role in Ben's death. TASM 2 having Aunt May break down because how hard it is to care for her boy.
And to those comparisons you pulled out Peter talking to the random bodega guy which is pointless. Peter and his friends even though he mostly ever talked to Ned about was legos and what it's like being a hero. Almost everything you named is arbitrary and doesn't hold or add to his character. And the ones that I do count are still downplayed by being followed up by a joke and not being able to isolate itself from the story to just be real. The scene with Vulture is the closest for me because it took itself seriously, but is still buried in the superhero antics.
A much better example than Mysterio s the nice everything was a lie and is so forced which makes every scene with Peter forced because it relies in Peter being super dumber down for it to be believable that he allowed himself to get tee ricked by beck.
It's just a simple fact that the Raimi and Webb films have better character drama moments putting heroics to the back for a second it deliver a moment to deeper connect to the characters.
@@RM-cn8pw
To your "aunt May breaking down scene," all that shit goes out the window once Peter says he lost the internship. Then she makes a speech about how she also sneaked out and then told Peter to take a shower, having Peter be a complete moron by not doing his Spider-Man duties for days.
@@randox124 he couldn't handle the pressure and deleted all of his replies/comments throughout this comment section.
Wait... I REALLY want to know the name of the song played after 4:23. I tried searching TASM theme song but nothing appeared. Not even the soundtracks. PLEAAAASE! Tell the name of the song. or give the link. Anyone.....
Really appreciate your perspective here
I get it, The mcu Spiderman movies are not my favorite either. In fact they are my least favorite but what you are asking for is not Spider-man is a other reimi movie. In the comics uncle ben is mentioned four times, he dies off screen and doesnt pass any lesson to him, the human torch teaches peter a lot more than ben. And the tone of spider-man has always been a comedy Stan lee himself said he created a superhero that Woody Allen could play, the drama in Spider-man comics is more focus in the spider part than in the man part. Now in my opinion the mcu doesnt pull off either but its portrait of peter is in fact accurate
What do you mean 4 times? Like the first 30 issues? Because uncle Ben was mentioned way more than 4 times. Uncle Ben isn’t milked in the comics as much as the movie’s but he’s still has way more of a impact on Peter character than human torch. There was only one time Johnny taught Peter a lesson and the rest of the time they’re at each other’s necks.
@@ascendedsavage7040 he just gets killed and pushes peter to learn power and responsability by himself. He appears in like five panels and the he is gone
@@rikybarbeito4123 not really again they don’t milk him in the comics like they do the movies but uncle ben has way more of a impact. He’s the main reason Peter had to get a job at the daily bugle, the main reason he didn’t drop out, one of the main reason Peter fought so hard to retrieve a cure for aunt may, one of the main reason he was able to lift the iron support beam in the iconic issue #33 panel, and the main reason Peter returned being Spider-Man in the Spider-Man no more story arc. Context matters uncle ben is very important to Peter and has way more of a impact on him than the human torch ever could
@@ascendedsavage7040 but issue 33 is the college era, in the high school era(wich is te one we are currently in the mcu) uncle Ben is mentioned only 3 times, when he dies in amazing fantasy, the first annual when they do a recap for new readers and when Peter graduates.
@@ascendedsavage7040peter gets the job in the daily bugle because he saw aunt may selling her jewelry, now you can tie that to ben sure. But he is not mentioned in that issue
I'm glad that i'm not the only one who think like this
Can any tell me how mcu spiderman got his powers? I honestly have no idea?
No one really knows, but the writers assume you know. So bitten by a spider... Maybe?
They said bitten by a spider but it’s not really the origin we need to see just Ben
Really hoping we get a Uncle Ben scene in No Way Home. Even just a quick 5 min scene about *responsibility*
Facts facts facts facts faaaaaaacts. For anyone who’s lost someone important to them, how could not miss them, you couldn’t. There would be times where you remember them, especially when you use a f*cking suitcase that use to be theirs. Uncle Ben is important.
Why is spiderman the only superhero that needs a fully fleshed out backstory and always needs the same exact origin and same exact plot as the last ones? Also.. these movies are geared towards kids. And everyone is judging these movies for not delving into deeper subject matter. I think the spiderman from the other movies would not fit as well in this mcu. I would also guess that marvel is heaitant to get really deep with spiderman because they are worried about losing him to sony
Spidermans origin is a major part of his character and is the reason he acts the way he acts. I never got the "same story over again" argument because the same people who say that are the same people who wants to see a highschool spiderman story for the 100th time
You just earned a subscriber
Just timagie than disney will do a pg charlie cox daredevil..
It's happening...😭😭
I thought the reason they never had him on screen was because they thought, "Everyone knows this song and dance by now, and we've seen it in 2 movie versions, do we really need to show it a third time?"
But, they never acknowledge Ben by name or his influence other than civil war
Into the spider verse is the best Spiderman movie ever
Thankyou for saying this! :)
6:08 not a Hot Take, But a fucking fact
Yo I love your character man keep it up
Fucking furrys
I liked may more in homecoming.
Shes awful
You have a very bad taste
@@Oujix agree shes terrible may may post to be old and struggling
we could just agree to disagree, please? instead calling out everyone elses taste in movies like if matters?
Endgame was my last MCU movie at theater. I just kept watching because I had been following Marvel since the First Iron Man. GoG2 was my first movie I did not watch willingly. It haven't seen my money 'cause the first one was awful. I regreted so much watchin Thor Jokenarok and a lot of the Marvel movies. There comes a time that all of that bore you. A lot of unnecessary jokes and quips, no drama, a horrible script. I can't even tell how I got to watch Captain Marvel. With Far From Home I begun my boycott to Marvel. Maybe I'll watch Dr. Strange 2 'cause I love the character and either now Sam is the director.
so.....winter solider, civil war, infinity war, none of those had a lot of jokes
Well said, and there is nothing else to say to that
It isn't really Marvel's fault. Disney is the healm of the MCU, Remember? So, It is obvious that they'd do this regardless.
True
Am I Only One Who Think Andrew's Spider-Man Is Underrated ?
If Stan Lee played a version of UB it would be cool
I hope they for No way home they bring back Uncle Ben which if the multiverse is true I hope that Tobey looks like Uncle Ben and this makes Peter think more on his uncle and he has been trying to avoid his death as he feels pain from it. And throughout the movie he finally accepts to accept his true father figure. He has been planting his uncles image in Tony to try to make him not dead in his mind which is why even after such little time together he is very depressed about Tony’s death as it felt as if loosing uncle Ben all over again. I hope then accepts the with great power comes great responsibility line and keeps it to heart. His line he says in civil war he said is only a rewording he said to try not to say what Ben said as it was too painful to think about and he tries to avoid it to avoid pain. And by the end he accepts it. Aunt May seeing Toby could trigger her to be sadder as she then thinks of Ben more and starts to avoid people and she becomes more worried about Peter as basically seeing uncle Ben again makes hero more paranoid. Having Peter having his identity revealed is a good fresh idea but I think it makes lots of other stories not very easy to access and it makes it more dramatic. I hope by the end he proves he isn’t Spider-Man. It would probably make Peter more of an outcast and Aunt May have money problems because of this movies events and this trilogy ending off the arc of Peter finally becoming Spider-Man embracing his uncle bens teachings, setting up the troubles of him and his aunt. And give the glasses to Rhodey and the suit and he makes his own with no stark technology to be his own independent hero no dependent on another. In a future movie it could be interesting for Ned to become Hobgoblin as it could be much more personal as he knows peters identity and was so close to him and be an interesting arc for Peter and maybe create the night Gwen died with Michelle which could further him more into being Spider-Man and being responsible. Through I doubt they’d go this far.
Good video dude
A great character ruined again by shit writing
Say what you will about TASM 2, I still find it fun because it has some awful moments that are so bad they’re funny as shit but that movie has the best swinging in movies fight me
Uncle Ben is not just a character, he is someone in every Spider-Man’s life that causes them to become Spider-Man in my opinion. Just because Uncle Ben isn’t Uncle Ben doesn’t mean that Peter doesn’t have an “Uncle Ben”. You follow? I personally admire the way they made Tony the “Uncle Ben” for mcu Peter because although he doesn’t get told the best goddamn motto in comic history, he does still get an important lesson on responsibility. Peter learns that with great power comes great responsibility in his own way through Tony, and I love that the writers found a way to put this in even while leaving it unsaid. Peter’s character is him debating on whether or not he has the power to live up to the responsibility of someone like Tony. At the end of the day, every Spider-Man has an Uncle Ben, and I personally think that the fact that an alternative Peter not having and actual Uncle Ben be the reason he became Spider-Man shouldn’t really be a point of argument. If you think about it Miles Morales’ “Uncle Ben” was Peter himself, which is another thing I admire from not only Brian Michael Bendis for making it poetic but the mcu writers for adapting this idea for a separate version Peter, all the while putting their own twist on it. At the end of the day I do respect your opinion but I disagree, thanks for coming to my TED Talk.
Nice ted talk, although can't say I disagree with Peter learning about responsibility though tony because he already learned in civil war, explaining his motivation
@@daryltor7608 He did somewhat in homecoming, but Tony’s death raised the stakes. He got his first real rodeo but he went from friendly neighborhood to friendly cosmic neighborhood so fast. His death taught him that some responsibilities you don’t always have the power to handle. To elaborate, he had no control over who died, and he couldn’t stop thanos on his own. He had to face the harsh reality when he died that he didn’t have enough power to face the responsibility of stopping thanos. And after being resurrected and again not having the power to save Tony, Peter’s character takes a shift from “I need to have the power to face responsibility” to “I need to be responsible for becoming the most powerful I can be to live up to those who had to face said responsibilities in the past” and that’s essentially why I love MCU Peter so much.
@@daryltor7608 His entire character and writing plays and dabbles with the philosophy of “with great power comes great responsibility” and turns it into something completely new and different. It takes what makes Spider-Man Spider-Man and a applies it in such a unique perspective that it makes you go “well I’ve never thought about it that way”. And I think that those were the writers’ intentions.
@@_-solis-_ I'm glad you like this version of spider-man and explain your reasons why. But I disagree because the situations were different. One was a heroic sacrifice the other where parker could have stop the robber but didn't. He looked the other way
@@daryltor7608 he could’ve stopped quill from waking up thanos but he wasn’t trying to start confrontation
All they have to is at some point in Spider-Man 3 have him say to a picture or gravestone of Ben,”miss you. I don’t think I am fit to carry our dreams of responsibility out into the world.” I can’t save people, I can barely save my myself.” It does not to be this but something like this(with better dialogue lol) would be a perfect to show Ben’s importance
Nah then you have some Diehard MCU or Spidey fans that like this version saying "wow Marvel Studios really are kiss ups to they're critics, they really wanted to shut up those Not my Spider-Man people"
Hell the other half of those Spidey fans will say something like "YOU CAN'T TELL THE ORIGIN IN THE 3RD PART OF A TRILOGY! Its wasting time for this movie!"
It's a win lose situation unless the writers figure something out that works for the narrative and please everyone
It's a win for MCU Spidey and MCU fans because the next film can focus on Peter dealing with the world knowing he's Spider-Man and how Peter deals with it on his own.
It's a lose for Spidery fans because it's still Spider-Man without Uncle Ben and Aunt May being a less prominent character, still not having Peter have financial struggles, and whatever else has been said
And saddly unless Spider-Man Home Sweet Home (or something) address it's criticisms while at the same time provide a narrative that doesn't slow down to address every complaint up to that point, then the Spidey Fan base will be split until there's a Second Trilogy that has Peter entering College and become an Adult and become the Spidey we all know and love (at least I hope)
Fantastic video. It completely respensented what my main problem with MCU's Spider-Man is.
7:14 throw in a laugh track and you sum up what the mcu spidey is
People don’t get that uncle ben must be mentioned and has to be mentioned in some way
I would very much like to see more of your opinions on Spider-Man stuff, and I wish you the best of luck on your scripts - you seem to have a really hard time finishing them.
@@RM-cn8pw
Considering you're the only one saying he's wrong while misreading what everyone's saying, you can't just keep replying like today.
No way home 😳😳😳
Great vid respect and understand your opinion
dude the amazing spidermn movies are great!!
Good job