The Fundamental Flaws of Spider-Man: Far From Home (Feat. HiTop Films)
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The worst movie reviewer ever. Why did you not make fun of the director?
When you said not every spider man movie needs to be Spider-Man 2 and and to be a true Spiderman fan you don't have to like one specific interpretation you earned my respect and attention to watch your video all the way through.
Browntable Maybe watch the movie before making a video about it.
Practice what you preach, dude.
Ethan Gutierrez Youâd think that, but the way he talks about the movie proves the contrary.
Far From Home is just simply
"more power, less responsibilty"
Enzo Dapan which is the problem
Well saidđđ»
More like all of the power, none of the responsibility, and oh look at these teenagers acting like 12 year olds, aren't they so adorable??? Quick, let's add a joke about how hot Aunt May is, also add some Iron Man nostalgia scenes, and throw in a JJJ cameo who somehow feels like Alex Jones.
That's why Homecoming is much better. Peter only depend by himself how to beat Vulture. Not being a pet of S.H.I.E.L.D
Enzo Dapan he is still a pet by tony stark thatâs the problem, he is treated like a brat who cannot do anything right and when he does something right he gets a new suit, I swear he is treated like a dog, if your blind to thatâs fact he is like ultimate then your the one being foolish
Sucks that peter went to "If May freaks out I freak out. I can't tell her, she wont let me do this anymore" to high fiving her with his mask off. It's like we get a new character every movie.
Does MCU even care about continuity?
@@dylanoshea5065 Evidently not.
@@dylanoshea5065 nope
@@dylanoshea5065 they care. However the whole aunt may progression were treated like a science journal summaries, through pointer and dots. Instead of letting us see the progress and hear aunt may side's on Peter hero act, while also letting aunt May grow as a character by letting Peter to choose his own heroic path, they just skipped it.
Itâs not like it is
I love the MCU but people get so bent outta shape when you critique any of it.
I feel like people also get bent when someone says mcu Spider-Man is best one
@@yodogjc1797 We do but it's because it kinda spits in the face of what made the character. He doesn't have any problems outside of trying to be Tony Jr. Because of that he's definitely the easiest to like but it kinda takes away from what made him great.
the same could be said when somebody criticizes(srry for wrong spelling) raimiâs spiderman
@YoDog JC of course fans do because it has factual proof behind it mcu Spider-Man is the worst live action when it comes to what makes the true character of Peter Parker and Spider-Man.
@@yodogjc1797 Of course we do, as fans of Spider-Man, not necessarily Raimi it's just a shitty version. If you want other good versions look at the PS4, TAS, Spectacular, comic book versions etc. MCU Spider-Man is basically Iron Man Jr. It's ok to enjoy them as silly comedy movies i guess but they are certainly the worst Spider-Man adaptations. Even the most recent shitty cartoons of him adapted him more properly.
âSpider-Man Isnât a Disney channel originalâ. That line.. perfectly sums up Far From Home.
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it was also really dumb how Tony gave EDITH to a high schooler instead of someone much more trustworthy like Rhodey or Pepper.
Giving it to Harley Keener is still a lot better choice than Peter Parker because heâs into mechanics more than Peter, not to mention that he modified the suit ALONE while Peter needs Nedâs help.
Why would Tony make edith if weapons manufacturing was stopped in first ironman movie
Uh you fucking think dude Tony is a fucking dumb-ass.
he shouldn't have made EDITH in the first place
Pepper would never accept it she was against all this. Rhodey would most probably hand it over to government
I feel like the biggest issue is that the supporting characters are mostly there for comedic purposes. What made the Raimi series so good was that every single character was super developed, even MJ. The interactions between all these characters is what created the drama. Also I'm surprised that no one has mentioned the fact that in Far From Home when Peter was stuck in the Netherlands during his lowest point, all he had to do was make a phone call to Happy. He had to make a SINGLE PHONE CALL to get out of the situation he was in. It would have been much better to have him get out of that situation himself and see him develop into the real hero he's supposed to be
exactly, a single phone call, a new suit, staying in 5 star hotels across Europe
this version of spider-man seems to have more of an easy life then any other version of spider-man ive seen so far, what a joke
091MW2 âWhat made the Raimi series so good was that every single character was super developed,â
Thatâs not even sort of true. Youâre not even trying to be intellectually honest here.
âThe interactions between all these characters is what created the drama.â Thatâs literally the case in Far From Home and Homecoming as well.
âAlso Iâm surprised that no one mentioned the fact that in Far From Home when Peter was stuck in the Netherlands during his lowest point, all he had to do was make a phone call to Happy.â
Ok. ... Iâm waiting for you to explain why this is an issue.
091MW2 âIt would have been much better to have him get out of the situation himself and see him develop into the real hero heâs supposed to beâ
Thatâs literally what we DID see, you lying dumb-ass. Like, he explicitly develops into the hero heâs supposed to be. Watch the damn movie
this Bubbly Goodness âexactly,â Exactly nothing. Both of you are yet to explain the alleged âissue.â
âa single phone call,â Which wasnât wasnât even on his own phone. He literally had to borrow it from a stranger.
Also, you know that Peter being somewhere else doesnât make Happy cease to exist or Peter forget numbers, right? RIGHT?
âa new suit,â One that HE MADE. Way to leave that out.
âstaying in 5 star hotels across Europeâ What? If youâre talking about Civil War, thatâs more than seven years prior. And if youâre talking about Far From Home, that happens a grand total of ONCE. Not âacross Europe.â And that was only because Fury interfered.
âthis version of spider-man seems to have more of an easy life than any other version of spider-man ive seen so farâ
And clearly none of those versions youâve seen so far includes the MCU version, because he has the furthest thing from an easy life. Youâd have to not be watching to movies to miss this fact.
âwhat a jokeâ I agree. Youâre pathetically bad lies are a joke. You didnât even pretend youâve watched these movies.
@@RM-cn8pw Uh oh the MCU fanboy is triggered
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@@PhoenixEnforcer101 I missed the part where this is my problem
hell yea
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i feel really weird, but for some reason when he gave the example of the other two aunt mays before Marisa Tomei I got kind of emotional... there is something so touching about the relationship of Peter and his aunt that the new movies really miss...
The new relationship is kind of older sister and younger brother rather than aunt/ adoptive mom and son.
@@moonisusman4072 The relationship between them barely exists. Whenever I think of Aunt May I think of a relative of Spider-Man that he goes to for advice and when heâs struggling. Here, he just holds it all in, and never talks about it, Tobey held it in too but he eventually overcame his struggles, Tom ignores it.
At least some of it was still there in homecoming. I like the scene where May freaks the fuck out when Peter goes missing.
Thereâs stuff omitted from sally fieldâs aunt may that makes me cry when i see it in full. She was there for him and raised him since his father, who heâs so obsessed with, abandoned him. After she says she doesnât know how to manage without ben, she tells peter that heâs her son, her and benâs kid.
@@elmuchacho3379 not going to lie the scene when she is choking up and calling Peter her boy made me tear up cause she is such a good actress I actually felt so bad
Spider-Man PS4 has more drama than this movie
Pizza well yeah, itâs like 10x the length and also a work of art
You say that like Spider-Man PS4 is supposed to be some Saturday morning cartoon for 8-year-olds...
@@NarutoStorm3Rocks Absolutely not, but it's lighter than the first two sagas =)
@@ThePizza28 time hehehe
PS4 Spidey is better than most live action Spidey movies, if not all
It's rare to see people who genuinely understand Spider-Man to that point, and understand what truly makes him special beyond the fact he's just a teenage superhero. He's THE teenage superhero. The quintessential coming of age story, not just in the superhero medium, but quite honestly in most modern pop culture in general. I loved this video.
Right
Iâm more than sure that every spider-man fan understands why Spider-man is special, but yeah I agree.
Then why are you expecting him to be the completed, grown-up Peter Parker at the BEGINNING of the coming of age story??
@@keeganmclean2017 Because there's an inherent difference between skipping the coming of age story and repeating it ad-nauseam 3 movies in a row without letting the character move forward in the slightest.
No? Homecoming is about Peter learning the meaning of responsibility by not relying on Stark's suit and about finding his place as a small time hero. He learns that with his abilities, he has the unique power to make a meaningful difference and stop someone bad (Vulture) from making the world a worse place, and he can't rely on others (Tony) to fix his messes. He is left to his own devices and becomes his own hero.
FFH is about Peter learning the meaning of responsibility (his actions having severe consequences and almost getting him and his entire class killed multiple times) and stepping out of Iron Man's shadow (whatever that's supposed to mean for Spidey I guess?)
He learns that with his abilities, he has the unique power to make a meaningful difference and stop someone bad (Mysterio) from making the world a worse place, and he can't rely on others (Fury) to fix his messes. He is left to his own devices and becomes his own hero.
NWH, (spoiler alert obv) is about Peter LEARNING THE MEANING OF RESPONSIBILITY IN THE FACT HE IS THE REASON THE VILLAINS ARE ON THE LOOSE AND HE IS THE ONLY ONE WHO CAN STOP THEM. This time, the consequences come to pass and his aunt pays the price.
He learns that with his abilities, he has the unique power to make a meaningful difference and stop some bad guys from making the world a worse place, and he can't rely on others (Strange) to fix his messes. He is left to his own devices (sorta) and becomes his own hero.
Seriously. All three of these fucking movies went in a great big circle and pretty much put us where a lot of us assumed the character was after Civil War: A young Peter who's already gone through his origin story, and has a new suit and is ready to face the world.
The only reason people are distracted from this fact is because they cram those movies full of MCU lore and fanwank and the last one went full on to bring in previous actors to wow everyone into forgetting this is now the third time Peter has pretty much been a stupid kid who didn't learn the lessons we thought he already was well past the point of knowing.
@@Slimshadow457 No, the reason people are "distracted from this fact" is because it's not true. You can boil pretty much every Spider-Man story to "Peter once again learns that with great power comes great responsibility." But that fails to capture the nuance and meaning from each film.
This whole trilogy is about Peter learning to be Spider-Man with a smaller and smaller safety net around him.
In Homecoming, Peter proves that he doesn't need Stark's direct help to be his own small time hero. In Far From Home, he learns that he not only has a responsibility to larger threats but that he can and should face them without any other heroes providing him a safety net. Stark being dead (FFH) and just not in the final fight (Homecoming) are quite different if you actually think about it from Peter's perspective. No Way Home is about Peter learning that his loved ones can actually get hurt from his irresponsibility, so he chooses to be COMPLETELY ALONE rather than risk their safety. At the end of No Way Home, he truly feels like a grown-up Spider-Man who knows the meaning of his responsibility...and that's exactly what the trilogy was aiming to do. Bring Peter from a naive high schooler to a mature Spider-Man.
It just felt like they wanted to keep building a âbrandâ rather than build a character.
Yes, I got that too.
You're right. That brand being heavily on Peter's youth and quirkiness. That is his marketable image that Marvel wants to focus on and keep. To change the character drastically is to change the brand image.
That's Disney for ya
No it doesn't
@@hennis124 Even if that's true Peter is gonna have to grow so...
Dude, you apologize too much for the unnecessary stuff. It's your opinion and your analysis. And any analysis which is supported by good arguments and points will be accepted by others. I agree with you btw
say that to the people who are flaming everyone for opinions lmaooo
@Mr. Soul No, it's an opinion. He literally says so in the video multiple times because he knows it. He appreciates that people can have different, valid opinions liking and disliking this movie.
Why Ryan paye wasn't in here i was expecting him in here?
Have you seen HiTopFilms review? Or any others that are negative? They all have a lot more dislikes from angry MCU fanboys
I personally agree with Hi Top . When I learned about how much people kept liking mcu Spider-Man, I decided to check it out. I watched civil war,and liked him in that movie sooo I decided to watch homecoming .After watching it, I had a weird feeling ,I couldn't feel the charm of Spider-Man, my first ever introduction to the character was Spectacular Spider-Man, I didn't see Spider-Man,I saw Tom holland dressed as Spider-Man. I watched videos of people having problems with the MCU incarnation. I saw the gameplay/story mode of insomniacs Spider-Man and I new what the MCU was missing. A lot of MCU fanboys say tobey was a good Peter Parker because he was nerdy,andrew was the best Spider-Man because humour ,and Tom holland is both a he is nerdy and humour. Which makes him the best . Which I completely disagree with .Spider-Man isn't 2dimensional . There is more to him than nerdiness and humour,Hi Top said it perfectly .Tom holland himself called his Spider-Man iron man jr. Again everyone has there own opinion but I hate when these MCU fanboys bash others just because they think he is the best. The reason they think he is the best is far from the true character of Spider-Man
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if they throw another Tony Stark reference in the next Spider Man film at me, I'm gonna lose it.,
You know they will
Sugary Heaven lmao their gonna have the villain be a Tony stark industries janitor
Shut the fuck up
@@cybernerdcreations4475 Mop-Man. His Mop is made of Nanotech, & it can turn into a Lightsaber.
Even if itâs a movie late, I hope they finally tackle the fact that Stark shouldnât really be Peterâs role model, and use it to finally address Uncle Ben.
Thought it was just me. Everyone was telling me it was a great movie but I left the theater feeling empty. I couldnât explain it just something was missing.
The bus scene is the worst thing in all the spiderman movies
Leonardo Silva Fr that was the most goofy unrealistic scene Iâve seen in a spiderman movie.
@Zane Drake Ok boomer
@Zane Drake wrong
Srikanth Ramprasad The symbiote is supposed to make him more irrational and selfish. Like in the spectacular spiderman cartoon tombstone pays him money to not go after criminals and he takes it because of the symbiote. Itâs not supposed to turn him into a cringy weirdo who dances everywhere with a big ego. They made Tobey Maguire takes months of dancing lessons for his scenes.
@@tyy2387 He did the weirdest things before the symbiote got on him. Like that poetry thing from spiderman 2 and also his ego clashed with MJ many times as he kept talking about spiderman when she tells her problems. It actually makes sense for that version of Peter to be dancing like that.
Far From Home, more like, Far From Drama. Gottem, 10 points for Films&Stuff!
Still better than the overrated Homecoming.
@@shinndig1293 nah, homecoming handled Peter's arc much better and far from home retconned that
@@bloodfinity Trying to impress Tony Stark is NOT what Spider-Man's motivational arc should be based around.
@@shinndig1293 I completely agree. But my point was that at least homecoming had him getting out of Tony's shadow and being his own man but far from home retconed it and made his arc contradictory ,one scene ,Happy is telling him not to be like Tony and the other ,Peter's creating a suit and with ACDC in the background looking just like Tony
@@shinndig1293 youâre kidding right.
My two favorite chads coming together at last... I'm not crying YOU'RE CRYING
We are crying
Not crying
Vijay Damerla These two are definitely not chads.
@@RM-cn8pw What's a chad?
Sal Reyes Itâs a slang for, I think, a muscular, popular man who gets a lot of women.
I really wished they would take a PTSD route with Far From Home, the dude "died" at the end of Infinity War.
It would be cool to show how he's struggling because he feels responsible, but is also being crippled with anxiety, and that would justify his somewhat passiveness.
Why just why
Exactly! Peter should be a tragic character. We should see the challenges he faces that make him more into a better hero overtime.
isnt that just iron man 3
Spider man far from home has the lighting and cinematography of a Disney original film
Except it doesn't
I think itâs the point. because it was supposed to look fake because mysterio made it up
looks more nickelodeon to me
Hi I'm Tom Holland from Spider-Man Far From Home and you're watching Disney Channel.
my sons working together like this đ
Proud father moment for me
what is the FilmHub family tree? what I've concurred so far is that Bailey is the father of Mauricio and Mauricio is Alex's dad
@@anthonylamonica4110 I am the father of all
Even myself
MAAAAN, I LOVE THIS TRIO SO MUCH!!!
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Are you someone's sugar daddy too?
Bro, I can't stand that creators feel the need to include a disclaimer any time they make a video criticizing ANY element of the MCU. Those fans must be the most hypersensitive lot in all of fandom, because no other franchise gets afforded this luxury.
MCU is more popular than most other franchises.
Theres more fans and because of that more toxic ones. I am not that into the MCU but they arent a bad fandom
You act as if Hack Snyder and DCEU fanboys weren't cancer to society though. MCU fans can be stupid but there's a list of fandoms with more toxic people
@@alonsoarana5307 Nah, you don't have to go out of your way to apologize for any DCEU criticism beforehand, in fear of massive trolling and losing subs. Besides, this "if you bring up Marvel, I gotta bring up how worse DC fans are!" knee-jerk mindset sorta makes me think I'm on to something. Hardcore MCU fans remind me of Beyonce fans with the hive mindset, looking down at other fandoms because of the success of their own product, while at the same time lowkey exhibiting the worst traits that smaller fandoms of less successful properties exhibit out of jealousy . Hardcore MCU fans have no excuse. You've won. It's the most successful commercial enterprise in cinema history. Why should you care if others DARE to point out the flaws?
@@lacolem1 I think it goes both ways. Its very successful which gives a sense of pride for supporting it but also insecurity cuz we know that even though overall it has a meaningful story but not all mcu movies are meaningful. Again its not only mcu fans. Weirdly enough, from what I've read, seen and heard from commenters and friends, I've noticed that dc fans actually accept their universe's early flaws but Snyder fans get more angry even when his movies have legitimate flaws regardless of them being dc or normal movies( not saying he's a bad director or all his movies are bad but no one mcu, dc or anyone else is perfect).
Funny when DCEU fans or Snyderfans are considered Cancerous but weren't they the ones who donated for suicide prevention? Weren't MCU fans shit talking the little girl that played Ironman daughter? Hmmmm toxicity at its finest đ
Peter Parker is more likely to idolize Otto Octavius than Tony Stark tbh.
"Cough" "Cough" Ps4 "Cough"
@@angeloacevedo5494 haha yeahh
Have you ever read the comics?
@@SpectacularSpiderFan there's a difference between an idol or a celebrity crush essentially
@@vivid119 No clue how that's relevant since Peter looks up to Tony as a Father and mentor but ok
This is balls on a filmmaker, this is perfectly cheesy, perfectly acted, perfectly acted, perfectly edited. Everything about this scene is flawless, every film student needs to study why this scene works.
lmao where was that from
@@simonegreco1958 one of the shorts made by hitop
@@shutup9505 ooooh right, the Spider-Man 3 dance scene, correct?
@@simonegreco1958 I'm pretty sure it's the new horror short that Hitop made himself which included a girl and her ghost boyfriend
@@shutup9505 oh ok, thank you
Man, Hi-Top is just collabing with every CZcamsr I know.
M.D. V must be really enjoyable I bet
Hitop is the son of browntable.
hiTop is awesome
Sees the title.
"Featuring HiTop Films"
*Of course it is*
HiTop guys loves to trash MCU Spidey, and he also likes the amazing saga. What the fuck?
@@ma77ias.v he doesn't like the amazing saga. Just made a video about the first one and what it did right
Matias Valenzuela because MCU Spider-Man is trash
@@patrickbateman9458 wow. Spiderman Fanbase is incredibly toxic, just because its different doesn't mean it's "Trash"
NK8 COMPZ so agree with you. This whole spider man fan war needs to stop now
Another thing I love about the vulture is that him stealing the stuff has literally 0 affect on Tony. They are just scraps lying aroudn in his tower that he'll never use. Peter stopping vulture is not about helping Tony, but about not wanting weapons on the street that arguably wouldn't affect him. He chooses to change his motivation, and that is the msot active a character can be
Did it change? I thought it was the same as on the ferry, except this time he succeeded.
Explain if you would.
Personally for me, the fundemental flaw in 'Far From Home' is the overreliance in the the greater world of the MCU. I've never read the comic source and coming from someone who have seen Uncle Ben dying twice, I'm fine if they change the mythos a bit.
But the film is always under some kind of shadow -- Iron Man. The villain is bent on revenge, the hero is trying to live up to him and the world is asking the hero to be like him. As you said, in 'Homecoming', Peter refused Tony's offer. And Vulture, though he had bitterness on Stark, his main motivation is to care for his family.
This flaw isn't even exclusive to 'Far From Home'. It could be observed in all the "origin" standalone films since 'Ant-Man'.
To be fair, forgetting Iron Man's overinvolvment, Spider-Man stories were always connected to the larger heroes world, from the very beginning
Peter Frank well I mean, the villains hated Osborn for a similar reason in PS4. And I like Tony Stark way more and would rather have a villain hate him. It was down well in a Earths Mightiest Heroes as to why Wonder Man hated Tony Stark. On the other, Osborn is a jerk and responsible for so many people becoming villains in various adaptations and prospers and gets away with it.
I feel like that was the aim of the film. To bring Spidey out of the shadow of Tony and make him his own hero. I think this is a pretty good theme and idea for this version of Spidey, but I just feel it didnât execute it well
This is something Shazam tackled very well, that I think Marvel can learn from. It felt different from any superhero movie I have ever seen, as it actually felt like... you know, a movie. Sure, there were nods and references to the other heroes in the universe, but they were background elements, realistically woven into the charactersâ lives. The focus was on Shazam from beginning to end, with another hero only showing up in the post-credits scene as a joke. In Marvel movies, there are constant references to other events and heroes in the universe, and while itâs great for world-building, it makes it impossible for any hero to feel like their own hero.
@@ultimatehope549 you make it sound like one kind of choice is better than the other
It's just a different approach. Marvel has always been more interconnected.
And using the larger world informs Peter's journey in these movies
14:23 - 16:13
I honestly wish Peter school friend were fleshed out rather then being sideline for comic relief, because I can't remember a single thing about them consider the MCU Spider-Man suppose to be a "Teen Comedy Movie"
A lot of the supporting cast do feel like background characters.
You can still have a Teen Comedy Movie with fleshed out supporting characters. This chose not to.
Yeah, because its necessary that we get Ned's anime backstory.
@@SpectacularSpiderFan please, as if we asked for 20 minutes worth of background story. We just need something to add his character depth. Outside of being Peter's BFF, likes Star Wars, and likes Betty, does Ned had anything else going on? No, because that's all he is meant to be according to the MCU: a comic relief.
The problem is that you can apply this to any MCU Spidey cast as well, even to MJ, and then see the pattern.
@@LockeGran I missed the part where the movie was called "Ned & MJ"
âFar from home avoids Ben Parker like I avoid Far From Homeâ - HiTop
This is by far the most iconic line Iâve heard from him because it makes so much senseđ
They are soo obsessed with doing high school type comedies. At this point considering how they handled aunt may figuring out peter is Spider-Man; I donât really care since they are probably going to turn it onto a joke
I got no probelm with high school comedy, but what they did is high school comedy done wrong. It's just comedy for the sake of it.
@@ThePrinceofHisOwnKingdom the thing is though, there's high school comedies and then there's spiderman, and i just dont think spiderman is meant to be a highschool comedy
@@thisbubblygoodness7611 I think it could work but FFH isn't that.
â@@ThePrinceofHisOwnKingdom i was gonna suggest that they could do a caricature TV kids show where nothing is taken too seriously, but then i remember they also did Marvel's Spider-Man (The TV series) and realize that they suck at that too, so im all out of ideas
Jovany Marquez âThey are so obsessed with doing high school type comedies.â
Itâs almost like Peter is in high school, dumb-ass.
Also, last I checked, ding something a grand total of twice is not being obsessed.
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@@Tommedian heâs an imposter
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I am a SPIDERMAN fan. Not an MCU fan. And as a SPIDERMAN fan, the MCU "spidey" is a disappointment. They needed to let peter/spiderman be his own thing before rushing into the MCU. They needed to give him time to grow and evolve instead of shoving him into places hes not ready for yet. We needed atleast 2 films centered on spiderman and HIS universe WITHOUT the larger Mcu interference. I like tom as spiderman. But what they did with the character i am NOT a fan of. Spiderman 2002 and spiderman 2 are still FAR superior films.
Eh idk if there really superior i just watched them both too reevaluate my opinion on the but tbh i like both about the same with spiderman 2 being a lil bit above them and homecoming not being too far behind imo
Yes I agree.
Spider-Man 1 and 2 will always be superior films because Raimi wanted to make a Spider-Man movie. He cares for the character and properly understands him as well. Him and his crew put in all their love and soul into SM1 and 2. That's why those movies will stand the test of time as two of the best Spider-Man movies of all time.
I have no fucking clue what Jon Watts is trying to do. He's said that he doesn't have any experience with Spider-Man comics. Makes sense why he had two chances and still can't make a proper Spider-Man movie.
Makes me appreciate the TASM movies a little more tbh
Well I don't think that he HAD to have 2 solo films. Admittedly considering that your complaint is that he needs more growth a solo film could help as it would obviously give more focus, but it's not an inherent truth and acting as such is kind of silly
I'm Actually a SPIDER-MAN Fan More than than a Marvel Diehard Fan and I'm sad that Peter Parker became like an Iron Man Jr. Spider Man is Supposed to be his OWN Hero, Not some Sidekick, Not the Next Iron Man.
and Hopefully the Next MCU Spider-Man Trilogy will Focus on Peter Being his OWN Hero instead of an Iron Man Jr. And should be Focusing on His Responsibility.
I Grew up with Spider Man 2002, and Spider-Man 2 and I still think they're One of the Best Comic Book Superhero Movies to Ever Match up with the Dark Knight.
I hated that, though they made MJ an introverted character who is more than just a pretty face, they turned Aunt May into some weird sexual fantasy object. Literally in theaters, this guy sitting near me revealed a little too much about himself as the camera panned over Marisa Tomeiâs ass.
Itâs fucked up and I hate that this film did that.
@@igota100inscience9
That's very clearly not what they were complaining about and you completely missed the point. Read it again.
@@igota100inscience9
He's not the one who didn't even read the comment correctly before getting angry and insulting someone.
@@igota100inscience9 Idiots are people who insult people because they don't know how to have a proper discussion.
Mono Kid lmaooo whaaat really? Iâd beat the hell out of that guy if he was sitting next to me. What a disgusting thing to do in public.
Mono Kid hey can we have a proper discussion about the new aunt may
Thanos: I am inevitable
Spider-Man: I missed the part where that's my problem
Thanos: Impossible!
Spider-Man: I'm gonna put some dirt in your eye
Just Some Guy without a Mustache đ hello
@@XforrestgumpX there
HEUAAAAGH (Tobey maguire scream)
god damn the Sam Raimi Spider-Man movies are so memorable and fun
C R I N G E
"Take my hand"
" *NO* "
*gets shot*
Lmao
That joke at the end was perfect literally burst out laughing.
Zed yes there was when he called people who get affected by other peopleâs opinions idiots
Zed I also chuckled a bit, it caught me off guard. Just because u didnt find it funny doesn't mean it's not a funny joke. Like ur comment, I didn't find anything funny in ur comment but u put a laugh out loud (lol) there.
oh wow. people are now bashing smth as subjective as humour too hmm.
I feel like people think the MCU is flawless it's not people should be able to criticize it
@1Yan00 very recently and even then it's not that much
@1Yan00 I could say the opposite too.. DC gets a ton of hate from ignorant marvel fans
@1Yan00 Yes.. i still have hope that the future of the dceu will be good
The reason they couldnât use Flash as a romantic rival is because theyâve taken away everything that made him a more obvious choice than Peter. Itâs not that we canât entertain the possibility of him actually winning, we canât entertain the thought that MJ would even think of dating this guy. In the comics, heâs not really that intelligent, but heâs cool, strong, good looking and popular. Hell, the guy even goes on to realize how ridiculous he was in school and becomes a war hero, proving that even someone like him can use his natural leadership and physical skills for a better and more respectable reason other than picking on nerds. The âgreat power=great responsibilityâ lesson is something he learns to abide by, without super powers, and ironically from Spider-Man, whom he admires while picking on Peter.
In the MCU, heâs less good looking than Peter, skinnier, shorter, less intelligent and less popular. He doesnât seem to have much more than dadâs money going for him, and we even see his father is absent. Brad at least seems like a charismatic good looking dude you could believe could actually steal Peterâs girl. Flash is the schoolâs punching bag, everyone makes fun of him, nobody respects him. Even in a crisis, in the comics, you could see Flashâs natural leading skills kicking in gear, trying to help his peers out of situations until Spider-Man showed up, sometimes even attempts to fight super villains, despite his lack of powers. The one in the MCU just cowers in fear until heâs saved. Heâs too dumb for the nerds, and too physically and socially unimpressive for the jocks and the cool kids, so heâs even more of an outcast than Peter in these movies, who at least belongs somewhere, socially speaking.
So Flash basically stole Harry Osborns gig?
@@dts_draco Except Harry actually got with MJ - so Flash is even beneath Harry.
Heâs not less popular than peter
@@Saint0999 You kidding? Heâs the punchline of every joke from every student. Even the stereotypical nerdy Asian kid is sassing him without a worry. Heâs less popular because the majority of the population are as nerdy if not a lot more than Peter, so someone like Flash there is even more of an outsider.
@@alexman378 right but hes not less popular. the kids in the group prob like peter more but peter isnt popular in school
I feel so sorry for HiTop films. He received so many insults and death threats in his far from home video all because he said he didn't like it. People are so pathetic nowadays. I mean it's been 2000 years since Jesus died and we're still acting like cavemen.
Yeah. Apparently, not liking every other live action Spidey now makes you a Raimi fanboy. It's hard to believe people use that as an argument and kind of just.... complain while at the same time making no sense.
@@wtfstudios4093 I prefer the Raimi movies, but I still think Spider Man 3 was shit.
@Erik Kemeey well in a way thats a good thing. Maybe this way we could actually get a Spiderman film from the MCU that ACTUALLY FEELS LIKE ONE.
@@hwanniggles187 We do, three in fact, we just got the third less then a week ago today. Theyâre called Homecoming, Far From Home, and No Way Home.
Even his own comment sections' top comments are making fun of him. Not saying that's a bad thing inherently, but damn. I could hardly find anyone agreeing with him or even acknowledging his good points.
In addition, this Spider-man also overused the "hero weak at beginning, then hero strong in the end". With that said, I hope that this is not the Spider-man we'll see in Venom 2.
This is what i've been trying to explain to my friends, they're just messing around with the character without being written properly and the plot action just felt cheesy. Thanks for the video mate
MCU fans: "He's a menace to the entire city!!!"
Talking as someone who grew up with Raimi and appreciates the MCU take on it
I'd rather have Browntable and even HiTop in the discourse than most of the people I see in the fandom
The superhero community can be very ignorant and toxic, having these two simply presenting views I do not agree with isn't really much of a problem
While i like Far from Home and its probably one of my favorite Spider-man films, i do at least appreciate that Browntable judged this movie as a film and not just complaining about Far from Home being inaccurate to the source material or not being like the Raimi films as a reason for why they feel the movie is bad and he does bring up legitimate flaws with the movie that i do agree with.
HiTop films killed it. The guy that understands and loves Spider-Man the most on this website
@Erik Kemeey any reason the "nope"
@@daryltor7608 theres many reason that bunch of people make videos about it lol
@@edogawaconan945 Based on the reaction that he had. Yeah people are going to respond
@@daryltor7608 yeah and I agree with them Imao
@@edogawaconan945 Everyone's entitled to their own opinion.
The most ironic part about the title is itâs right about its character; Spider-Man has never felt further away from his original envisioning than now.
Iâm not saying itâs a bad interpretation, itâs just the furthest away from what itâs ever been since his inception.
Into the Spider-Verse had different versions of Spider-man - all of which I feel captured the essence of Spidey. I can't, for the life of me, say the same for the MCU version.
What do you feel are the main differences?
simonegreco For me, at least, I always loved Spidey because he was a genius-level intellect who still felt like youâre average pure guy who just wants to do the right thing. He struggled with financial issues, depression, psychological trauma, girls, stress, etc. just as we do. But despite this, he was his OWN SUPERHERO and was always able to achieve his goals with his wits, intelligence, and his own power. He made a name for himself and was able to achieve greatness by his own merits. However, in the MCU, he starts out like this, but is subsequently constantly put into a place of luxury and privilege. I wonât go too in depth with it, but he no longer feels like his own hero. He feels like a pawn of tony stark.
@@keno4770 this would be a good point if the part about privilege wasn't false
Tony just gives him suits. He doesn't give him financial aid. He doesn't make him more popular. He doesn't make his social problems disappear. Peter is still is own person. He just had to deal with superhero pressure, something that couldn't have happened in the comics to this degree not because the personality differs, but because Peter was a first generation hero. That's not the case with the MCU, and that's ok
simonegreco donât just focus on the financial aid. The main problem goes back to what I said earlier. In other incarnations, whenever Spidey would be up again a villain he couldnât beat, the only choices he had were to use his own intelligence and/or to self-innovate new ways of using his own technology or small set of powers. In the MCU Tony has given Peter a multi-million dollar suit that has about as many excessive bells and whistles to get Peter out of every possible situation (oh yeah, and it has an A.I. just for shits and giggles). You can say that he learns to function without it at the end of homecoming, but he goes right back to using a special high-tech suit as his default in this film. This completely takes away the sense of ingenuity and that aspect of being the underdog that is associated with Spider-Man. This is only accentuated when we realize that he can always call happy hogan to get him out of a tough situation. Also, I hate, and I mean hate, the whole thing of them trying to make tony peterâs uncle Ben. I get that it has to do with Tonyâs redemption and him leaving behind a positive legacy, but it comes at the price of seemingly ignoring peterâs fundamental reason for being the hero that he is.
The pressure on Spider-Man 3 just got real.
âSpider-Man Far From Home avoids uncle ben more than I avoid Far From Homeâ
Hi Top and Browntable are god-sends I stg
Great video chad! I love whenever you talk about Spider-Man because he is and will always be my absolute favourite character in all of fiction
âFeat. HiTop Filmsâ this tha collab i needed. thank you! đ„ș
This video literally poured my inner thoughts and I hope writers don't mess up such little yet critical things in the next movies
Hitop Is an absolute unit, a dashing madlad, and my personal hero.
Alex's collab game is just too strong. Nando, captainmidnight, Godzilla Mendoza, Browntable all in just a few weeks.
bro that concept where his spider sense starts tingling before something even happens is LITERALLY depicted in no way home wtf, it was when peter sensed something was up with norman in the condo scene
I think the problem I have with some mcu movies is that they don't work well as standalone pieces, they're made to build up for something bigger.
If you read a random chapter of a book or watch an episode of a show out of context, you're not gonna enjoy it because it is not the way it's meant to be consumed, and I don't think that should be the case for movies as well.
That's a good point it's why one of my favorite MCU movies is Thor Ragnarok because it feels like it's own thing
The marvel movies follow a formula and look and feel the same thats why i dont watch those movies, other than Spiderman. I am very dissapointed with how they have handled spiderman as a hardcore Spidey fan. After TASM 2 dissapointment i was upset Garfield dropped out and i was so stocked for the mcu Spiderman but here we are.
agreed, i think the fact that the spider-man movies have to rely on this whole bigger cinematic universe really affects them and not in a good way. i've always seen spider-man as a standalone piece and i'm really not a fan of how much they're tied to the mcu and iron man as a character in particular
â@@athenajaxon2397 and that's why you don't deserve friends.
People have different opinions on Spider-man whether it be favorite movie or a favorite actor, but we can all agree that he's a great character that's affected us in different ways, so we shouldn't hate those who don't agree with a certain interpretation of the character, because they at least love one interpretation of Spider-man.
People want the more accurate or better the best version of the character. Fundamentally the MCU got it wrong after Homecoming because they actually did a good job establishing his character in Civil War.
Spidemian Yeah
Spidemian yes really
Spidemian what consequences did Peter get in the MCU. Heâs too tied into Iron Man. Spider-Man never really struggles in these movies.
@@averagebat761 that's provably false
Come on now
Two of the best video essay guys on CZcams hell yh
Love Spider-Man, Love Far From Home, and I still love you guys
As someone who liked the film I can say without a doubt this video is 100% correct with many of the points it makes
I liked far from home but you actually made really good points I never even thought of. Cool video man đ
The message of Far From Home described by HiTop had me rolling.
Two of my favorite CZcamsrs collaborating? Is it my birthday? This was fantastic.
As an MCU stan, and especially as an Iron Man stan, I really dislike what FFH did with Tony's character arc. Both IM2 and HoCo already had villains that were based on Tony's shortcomings, and FFH includes as one of the "villains"...the guy that Stane yelled at? So that was already overused, but more than that, I hate what they did to Tony's legacy, especially after what he said in IM1 that he "had more to offer the world than things that blow up"....so he gives Peter Edith?
Even if they wanted to touch on Tony's legacy, there's a pretty clear parallel to be made now about how Pepper and Morgan relate to May and Peter, because making the movie more intimate would have made it a lot better.
@Erik Kemeey did anyone like age of Ultron?
I feel like MJ does still tie into the plot of Far From Home, because Peter's desire to be with her conflicts with his obligation to Fury and influences his decision to give Mysterio Stark's glasses. It's structured a lot differently than homecoming obviously, but I think both movies are still compelling, albeit in separate ways.
Yes but this would have worked better if we gave MJ and Peter a real friendship that felt genuine and good instead of just a crush if we felt like Peter wanted to take the next step and get out of the friend zone and maybe be helping MJ through something difficult like letâs say her mom died from collateral damage during the snap and sheâs a bit depressed that would be great and having peter want to be there for his friends would be much more compelling have being Spider-Man become something exhausting something so hard to bear so awful always fighting and Peter canât take it anymore that would have been much better and would have made this movie 10x better
But they decided they would rather have a funny road trip movie
You can still have drama and comedy honestly but if they had put a few of these plot points in this would have made the film way better
@@zandyman2577 exactly she should've gotten more scenes in homecoming to develop her as a possible love interest and show us how she actually struggles with getting close to people like she says they also deleted a scene where may and peter pick her up because her dad didn't after the washington monuement incident that would've been so cool giving us a friendship to buildup on and giving us a reason to care and also showing how mj might have a negligent family that doesn't discuss their feelings which makes her less social and gives us reason to why she has struggle with getting close to people love mj in no way home but she would've been amazing if she was given depth like gwen in tasm or even mj in tobey's films she may be annoying but she's an actual character rather than an object for peter to win over
The best way they couldâve avoided the Iron Boy Jr thing would be to make Steve Rogers way more important to Spider-Man. His ideals align much better with Peter anyway and it would be a great way for Peter to see Tonyâs flaws.
Or just have mix of both for god sake
@@ATalesTruth- thatâs what I was getting at it. I meant more important to Peter in general, not more important to him than Tony.
Man Iâve been waiting for this all week, well done
This video almost made me emotional which never happens and shows how good your videos are, so good work dude
Some of the humor in far from home is almost like a sitcom. The actual Spider-Man parts are great though
Wow. I have never had the desire to watch "Far From Home" a second time after my theater viewing. I felt the movie was fantastic, but could never describe my feelings of not wanting to sit down to watch it again. This video really helped highlight some ideas that I feel I had but couldn't materialize as well as you have here. Great job!
@Erik Kemeey Fun that you ask, I actually had my 2nd viewing earlier this week! The movie's charm and value definitely held up! An opinion of mine that got stronger after the second viewing is how the Dock Ock bridge battle sets the bar too high. The remaining Spidey Villain battles, especially the Goblin battle, have their moments but the Ock fight is choreographed and executed as if it was straight out of the Raimi films. It was intense and lightning fast, just as Spidey fights should be. Everything else feels too tame by comparison
@Erik Kemeey Oh damn, hahaha. Oops, I have still not rewatched Far Away from Home and have no desire too.
The team up Iâve been waiting for!
Holy shit Hitop makes speeches that make me think about the path I am on in life and strive to go forward and higher, not just for myself but for all those I care for. Thank you for this video
Fax
Why is it that whenever Alex speaks, every word that comes out of his mouth is so filled with passion and heart and intelligence. I am a (well you can see my name) and I while I do love Spider- man I don't have as much of a passion as others do for him but I completely support Alex and the people who dislike MCU Spider- man. I like tom holland as a actor and in the role and especially in civil war. But what they did to him is like if in Matt reeves batman 2021 they had Bruce not be influenced by his parents death.
Anyway everyone is entitled to their opinion and there should only be civil discussion about these things
Great video guys :-)
edit: i know that matt reeves and pattinson are going to be faithful to the character and the waynes lagacy, that was only an example. My point is that neglecting the core of what makes a character like batman or spider-man who they are in a mainstream version of the character is wrong. i don't need to see ben get shot or the waynes get killed but to not reference them in any capacity is absurd. like i said i like holland as spidey and i liked the scene in civil war but i get completely what people like alex, mauricio and others are saying. No matter what everyone is entitled to their opinion and dont attack someone if you dont like theirs. :-)
Matt Reeves not including the Waynes was a joke
Yeah I have complete faith in him and pattinson. I was just using it as an example :-)
@@batmanfan6207 he actually said he would address it but he wouldn't go full depth on it they're not going to do what homecoming did by ignoring Uncle Ben completely.
Batman Fan you didnt get it did youđMatt Revees not including the death of the Waynes is a April Fool's joke. Of course they're dead!
What? I was just using it as an example, like I said I have faith in Matt reeves and pattinson that they will deliver a faithful and good adaptation of batman
I donât think Happy was saying not to be like Tony stark but rather that itâs okay to mess up because even tony stark did. Being a hero doesnât mean being perfect. But everything else I agree with.
Honestly, the fact that HiTop still thinks the movie is about Peter becoming the "next iron man" says a lot to how little attention he paid or how biased he was going in, when the movies whole third act is about how Peter isnt iron man, hes spider man
I agree that's what the movie was going for but it kinda fumbles it when the only people who seriously call him out on the mistakes he made are the bad guys. I wish it had been a bit more like how Steven Universe handled the ramifications of a certain dead characters actions.
Also most minute change I'd make to the movie to avoid mixed messaging is instead of playing ACDC, Peter asks for the Ramones or something similar.
@@Lynch2507 yeah at first I was "hey it's being a while since I last watched something from him" and I quickly remembered why... when he likes something his videos are great, but when he doesn't he's pretty much dense.
@@biazacha it depends on what he's talking about tbh
Well there's different ways to present an idea in film. First being through dialogue where anyone can say "You're not Ironboy you're Spiderboy," and the other is directing actions which FFH didn't do well. They literally made Peter build a suit like Tony, while his iconic song was playing. It's not good film making when one contradicts the other.
This is a really good video and it made me cry.
Your last point was the best part of the video.
I really liked the changes you made to the story. They add so much more depth to the story and the characters. I would have loved to seen something like that.
@Erik Kemeey it was great
I really like your story for Flash. Following that momentum, in the next movie, when Spidey's identity is revealed, Flash would at first be skeptical for effect. But eventually learn that even the weakest people can be strong and anybody can be a hero. This is what inspires him to stand up to his parents and refuses to do what they plan for him. Instead, he becomes his own hero and joins the military
That's actually a really good idea, and something I'd like them to do for the character
I love the movie as a whole, but the scene with Brad and the Shield agent along with the bus scene felt kinda gross and didnât really fit with the movie
I feel grossed out by the shirtless scenes
I'm ok with it in the other movies but in this the character is a minor
It feels kinda gross. Especially the scene where the adult shield agent was telling him to take off his clothes. People would have been pissed if that was a grown man telling that to a teenage girl
simonegreco I only like when the Chris bois and Paul Rudd are
@@linusmckinney3515 He was just changing. That was the joke, that other countries don't sexualize nudity the way the US does. If it makes you feel better age of consent in that country is 15
Marvel always tries to shoehorn in scenes of their jacked actors without shirts, it just felt really weird this time since heâs supposed to be 16 and someone is making him strip down
This video made me realize why I love Spider-Man so much
When Alex appeared and the background music played i got shivers, i love the TNAS intro so much.
This was a cross over I didn't know I needed
The music that defines Mary Jane is Because of You - Kelly Clarkson
Great video as always :) glad I was around for the premiere
This video has so much wisdom . I learnt soo much moraly . It was genuinely eye opening . Thanku browntable
Another problem with making both Vulture and Mysterio guys that just got screwed over by Tony Stark is that you could have just made these Ironman movies.
I feel like Far From Home's central plot point is how the responsibility of being a hero is crushing Peter, especially in this new paradigm of Spider-Man plus the fallout from Endgame. In Homecoming, Peter is blissful in his ignorance of what true responsibility is. He thinks he wants to be an Avenger, be a hero, but doesn't understand what that means. It's only when he is presented with the immediate threat of the Vulture and has to leave his date to pursue his responsibility that he begins to understand. It's the classic Spider-man internal conflict of responsibility taking precedence over his own life.
Far From Home is the natural progression of a character who is now weary and, when you think about it, a war veteran. He has seen what his responsibility really is and is understandably afraid. He's not actually a passive character, he makes the choice to avoid conflict and responsibility but other characters won't accept that. May packing his suit, Fury forcing him to help, Spider-man is dragged into conflict kicking and screaming. That's not passive. The emotional height of the film comes when Spider-man breaks down with Happy. Happy makes it clear that this responsibility wasn't easy for Tony either. It's okay to be scared, it's okay to make mistakes. This lesson, hard learned though it is, changes Peter in the climatic final sequence. He is still human, afraid of failure, of making mistakes, but now he understands that his responsibility supersedes that fear. He's known this since Civil War but was never truly tested until now.
I would argue that by the end of Far From Home we actually have the best on screen representation of Spider-man. Firm in his belief that with great power comes great responsibility and now with the actual gumption and confidence to stay true to that.
I agree 100%
Nah man that ain't true ya see, because "With Great Power Comes Great Responsibility" isn't being shoved in my face a million time, it's clear that Jon Watts and co don't understand Spider Man as a character. What are themes?
AGREE 1000000000000000%
Joe Mc The struggles of social connections and identity, as well as passivity and choices
"I would argue that by the end of Far From Home we actually have the best on screen representation of Spider-Man."
Are you fucking high?
Before watching this video, I liked the film because it has a few details that I love, but deep down, I knew it had so many flaws that idk, I didn't want to accept them.
This video changed that. What an amazing video, keeping it very professional yet very entertaining, nice job Mauricio and Alex! Proud to have my name at the end :')
Solid analysis, man. Thanks for the thought provoking commentary
My boy HiTop Alex made one of the best moments in ALL CZcams history.
Another girlfriend of Alex detected.
@@MsHugeman69 But he's still right
Man my man HiTops enters the scene and just owns it. He is totally right. I can not agree more with this.
Yah
I loved this movie. Glad to hear your perspective. Well thoughtout and substantiated ideas. Definitely food for thought when I give this movie a rewatch. Keep up the great work!
Great video as always. Browntable the KING.
I don't think I've ever been so positively reactive to the writing, editing, and structure of something like a 20 minute video essay. I absolutely adore this, and my opinion has changed. Thank you
Amazing Spider-Man's cast is underrated in my opinion
I agree
Thank you for this amazing video! I completely agree.
i just wanna say that the fix you made was absolute *chef's kiss*
that comparison between project insight in captain america: the winter soldier and EDITH in far from home - THANK YOU. it was all i could think about when watching ffh for the first time. crazy how in catws it's clear that project insight is A Bad Thing but in ffh tony essentially builds a smaller project insight into some ray bans and calls himself a hero for it. and then hands those ray bans to a literal teenager and said teenager almost kills a classmate. it's like there's supposed to be this continuity in the mcu because that's the whole point of the mcu in the first place but they ironically forget very important plot points from past movies
As much as I don't agree with HiTop's views I don't want him silenced
I just wish there would be more substantial counterpoints
Like, the entire discourse seems to be dominated by him at this point
I find it a bit disheartening
itâs dominated by him bc ppl give him that power. both the fans and the haters treat his opinions as if it was a law being passed and thatâs why he is where is today.
@Chandster Well, yes, that's what I think
@@puny2008 Kinda sad honestly. I think it's fine to change your mind when presented with new opinions and data but some people just straight up parrot him
Jay Excl wasn't enough apparently
I mean he makes a pretty compelling argument. I'm not gonna sit here and say that the new spiderman movies are terrible, but you can't deny this disney takeover of the blockbuster market hasn't resulted in some pretty formulaic, sanitized films. Maybe he dominates the discourse here because he's... more right than not?
â@@yomama5368 "this disney takeover of the blockbuster market hasn't resulted in some pretty formulaic, sanitized films" some of them, sure. Mostly Disney's owns
"he's... more right than not" not really
And I do intend to make a response video to him some day, with another account
I don't have the time now, but it's gonna happen
Anyway, from what I remember from HiTop video, there are multiple instances of bad arguments (or arguments I could easily counterpoint)
I could give example, but it could be a wall of text
You tell me, if you are interested enough
Just finished the video, another great video essay! And the message at the end is perfect