Zwift RIDE Hardware Teardown and Handlebar Upgrade!
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- čas přidán 28. 06. 2024
- Time to pull apart the Zwift RIDE and find out what's under the hood(s), literally 😉. This video digs deeper into the technical specs than my last video and answers a number of common questions people have posted since the announcement of this 'smart frame'. I also perform an upgrade to the handlebars to a preferred flat-top flared carbon bar from AliExpress!
Handlebars: RXL SL Carbon Road Handlebar 31.8mm.
Links:
GPLama Zwift Ride Review: • Zwift RIDE Indoor 'Sma...
Zwift RIDE Kickr CORE ONE Sign Up: tinyurl.com/zwiftridecoreone
Zwift US Shop: zwiftinc.sjv.io/Gmo9ML
Wahoo Online Store: bit.ly/2LtFLfl
Video Index
0:00 Intro
0:20 Zwift RIDE - Overview
0:57 Top Tube Width
1:06 Front 'Foot'
1:36 Stability
2:02 Kickr CLIMB Compatibility
2:09 Chain Routing / Removal
3:11 Crank Information
3:25 Bottom Bracket
4:31 Chainring
5:13 Tensioner Bearing
5:21 Seatpost
5:34 Saddle Adjustments
5:48 Teardown Details - List
6:40 Handlebar Upgrade!
9:49 Wrap-Up
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About the only thing holding me back at this point is the lack of adjustability in the cranks. Maybe V2 will pick that up especially as it looks like they’ll have to be custom.
it's really a shame, at least they went with 170mm which isn't that much too long for most men.
Thanks for all the hard work you do to keep the Zwift community informed, Shane - I hope Zwift appreciate it, too!
the proprietary crank and its fixed length is a huge miss unfortunately
Same with the Watt Bike. Part of the algorithm to calculate power is based on rheir fixed crank length.
Yes, it’s a no for me. KICKR bike got it right though.
Wouldn’t suprise me if “someone” quickly rips off those cranks as a template, and then makes them in the other lengths, to sell as a aftermarket option, of which there clearly will be a market for.
That someone will make a tidy earning for their efforts too 💰💰💰
Agree with people here on the fixed crank length being a bummer, also a future version having a belt drive would be awesome
Would have been an instant buy if it wasn't for the fixed crank length
You'd think selling optional bolt on cranks of different sizes would be worth it. Would be a fairly simple part to manufacture all things considered.
Thanks for the in-depth coverage! I like Zwift's virtual gearing/shifting and the idea of the Zwift ride, but not being locked into Zwift for non-erg rides.
>I like Zwift's virtual gearing/shifting and the idea of the Zwift ride, but not being locked into Zwift for non-erg rides.
This bike *is* locked in Zwift for everything *except* erg rides in certain scenarios.
Triple Thumbs!
If I didn't already have a Kickr bike I would buy this thing in a heartbeat! Next Video: Conversion to belt drive ;)!!!1 *PLEEAAASSSE
Fantastic video. Very informative, thanks for sharing Shane.
Such a good, detailed break-down of the product. Thank you!
I love the look of this thing
Very cool. I am really considering this and I already run 170mm cranks! I have a mtb and gravel bike and for now i am popping the gravel bike on and off the kickr trainer I am borrowing so this solves the borrowed trainer problem and the bike swapping problem all at once.
Thanks alot for a great video! - I'm prolly gonna go for the frame once that's available if it will fit on my Zwift HUB
Nice upgrade Shane. Looks way bettter.
I saw eric min on zwift today. Figured out who he was when he gave me a kudos for a joke i made (long story)
I asked specifically for him to consider selling the shifters separately.
One can hope lol
this was perfect...they left the door open for some future add ons
This is an interesting idea. I currently use my entry level road bike on my Wahoo trainer. Since I mainly use ergo mode, my setup works for me since I have another road bike that I use when riding outdoors. I am surprised they find a way for it to fit the Kickr Climb so riders could go up and down on the free rides in Zwift. I have the Climb and use it when I am not doing a training workout and don’t feel like riding outside.
Can you try mounting it on a kickr move please?
Thanks for the indepth breakdown and review. Not the white bartape??? LOL
For the racers, we've seen Zwift race stipulations where X2 power measurements are need to ensure no cheating. Does this mean with the proprietary cranks either a Zwift-Wahoo crank colab will be needed or a spider/pedal based power meter will be needed too? Will the clearances around the Zwift cranks give allowances for a ring based power meter?
Good tear down and sec review!! Could the removable front foot be for future upgrade option? Maybe a foot with a pivot point to create a rocker plate motion.
Also, that chain option going through the rear triangle rather than wrapping around it gives the potential for a belt drive to lower the maintenance even further.
When my Stages SB20 goes kapoot I hope to replace it with this. Hopefully it'll still fit on my rocker plate.
Same
Hey Wifey, you know you always ask me for ideas for Fathers Day and I always say "I don't know, surprise me". Well, this year I know - get me the Zwift Frame.
Why not make the seatpost a rectangle/oval shape, then it could be reversed for greater for/aft saddle movement? That would also keep it perfectly aligned.
Thanks for a great video, and thanks for the top tube width measure, i have a feeling that was just for me 😂😂😂
I'm a bit puzzled about all the super proprietary crank/BB parts, like they went a long way out of their way to make it difficult to change cranks.
Agreed on the cranks. They come off easily so maybe they can offer after market cranks at some point.
Any idea as to when virtual shifting is coming to the version 5 and 6 of the kickrs?
Is the Ride frame's "near future" the same "near future" as virtual shifting on the Kickr V5's "near future"?
Zwifts needs to sell those shifters and we good to go from here on out!!!! Anyone that has a review unit that's going to turn into a clothes hanger please rip those shifters off and ship to me asap! 🤣
Thanks for the tear down
Would be great if you could convert to belt drive
Great Vid . Looks good value for what you get, but it's not tempting enough for me to ditch Kickr and climb
There appears to be a bolt on the upper portion of the front tube (in the back.) What is that for?
Do you know if the Kickr Climb is still popular, or was it cool to try when it came out and has been forgotten by most people?
Great informational video! The crankset situation changed from 90% buying to 40-50%.
Question. I understand it needs the Zwift app for shifting. Does it work without Zwift subscription?
The ultimate bottom bracket test would be let Mr Searle have a go and see how it is after a year!
If my calculations are correct, the bearings are rated at 25,000kM or about 15,500 miles. If a person does an average of 41 miles daily, these bearings should be used up at the end of the year. Shane said the bearings were tested up to 25,000kM, not rated for only 25,000km.
From the day these came out I didn't understand why they don't just sell the bars with hoods/controllers and you can attach them to any bike. now even more so if you can just put the hoods on any handlebar. A lot of people already have dedicated trainer bikes and even if not you can buy a cheap frame, cranks, and chain for way less than $1,200. The only proprietary thing about this is the controller.
They already sell the Zwift Play controllers but maybe they will make these ones available too. Also need more trainers to support the Zwift protocol for virtual shifting.
Any idea if they will release the new zwift ride hoods/controllers separately? Take my money!
I guess they'd have to consider it if there was enough demand (similar to different crank lengths).
Next add a small wheel to the front, singlespeed wheel on the back, and ride it on the road. 😎
Honestly, with all the information out there regarding the importance of crank length and that this is marketed for a more serious cyclist than a peloton user, the lack of adjustable cranks is a big miss.
I already got a dedicated zwift bike and use the climb.... I want those shifters lol
I'll sell you these for US$1299 😉
The Ride will be much more stable on the Kickr Move and Kickr trainers ( non-Core)
Possibly due to the different legs/stability of those trainers.
@@gplama Exactly.
Instead of replacing the cranks, what about replacing the whole assembly? What spindle length would be needed (stock length?) and then it's the offset for the lineup with the tensioner.
Probably not worth doing, but has anyone looked at the possibility?
NOPE!! It would requite replacing the bearings too, and that would definitely void any warranty... And the bearings would be hard to find, I think (not an expert) The 6004 is 42x12x20, the Shimano is w/6804: 32x7x24. SRAM w/6806: 42x7x30 apparently. The 6806 might be the better fit, but would need spacers assuming it would clear the shell, and the spindle would clear too. Seems like a lot of surgery...
I need to project a new base for the front, 3D print? Sure
🎊 nice one,when it’s a frame only option using my v6 will it be good to go to go with a cassette on the back 🤷♂️😊
You'll likely need to swap out the chain or use a 9spd (or lower cog count) on the rear. The KMC chain is one chunky monkey.
@@gplama Ty 🤩guess the cog is the easy option that’s an additional purchase tho , cheers mate 😎
If you were to put a 46t chainring on would the tensioner not be in a different position due to the chain being stretched more?
Maybe... not a $20 bet I'm willing to place at the moment. :)
Never be an early adopter. Ride v2 and v3 will probably nail it in 2-4 years from here.
Inability to change to a different crank arm length is a deal breaker for me. Not that I was in the market, as I have a huge stable of bikes and a Wahoo Kickr, Climb, Fan…., but Zwift should address this shortcoming b
Great video, as always! I can't help but wonder how this frame will work with other (non-Wahoo) trainers, e.g. TACX Neo 2T. I suppose you'd have to convert to a SS cog in the rear, but I don't know that I've seen that done yet. I'd love a video exploring what's feasible today and what's in the works for cross-compatibility. Thanks a ton!
Garmin/TACX will need to support the 'Zwift Protocol' for virtual shifting. The RIDE (non bundle) will likely ship with a COG that'll slide onto any Shimano HG freehub. What works today is the Kickr CORE, Kickr 6, Kickr MOVE, and Zwift HUB. That may change soon.... Eurobike is next week.
@@gplama I have Neo 2 but very tempted by this setup. Is there any sign that Tacx/Garmin will update firmware for Neos ?
@@gplama looking forward to hearing what you learn. I still have a 2018(?) Kickr Core over in the corner of the Pain Cave, but my 2T is my #1 trainer. While on the theme of need to support virtual shifting, do me a favor and kick somebody in the shin -- let them know there are A LOT of flat bar Zwifters out here that they're ignoring. Thx a ton! Ride hard!
@@jbuzza00 I have very limited insight into anything Garmin/Tacx these days. If they do end up supporting this, I'll cover it here.
Think you could mount aero bars on aswell?
Sure. You’ll just need to rip the top tray off and find a set of bars that’ll work.
What insights do you have to when the Zwift Ride will be sold separately? Waiting for this :-)
I'd expect it to be within two months. Maybe.
Hambini fans waiting for a compatible bottom bracket...
That is a massive service to all Zwifters. I love the idea of the bike but I need shifting since I ride other platforms. I would love to go this super clean route for my setup. Anyway, a massive thanks for all the info, everyone contemplating a purchase needs to watch this. Thanks a ton!
GP, if one already has a dedicated trainer bike and is considering an indoor upgrade, which would be a better option, this Zwift Ride or the Kickr Move? Or would saving up for the Kickr Bike/Shift be a better option than either of these?
Entirely your call. There's no 'one option is best' solution. I respect there's a LOT to factor in, budget being one of them.
Will this work with a rocker plate? There is no way to secure the front to the plate so I wonder if it would be stable.
It would be as stable as a bike with a front wheel (that isn't fixed to the rocker plate).
The flatter Zwift hoods look so much more comfortable than the Kickr Bike hoods with their tiny area to rest the palm...a major design fail by Wahoo on an otherwise solid product.
Can the square taper bb be replaced with a standard one?
The bearings are pressed so I guess you mean the spindle itself? I’m not sure. If you could you’d then have issues with crank clearance and possible chainline issues.
Can I ask if that’s the stock saddle, or if it’s one you’ve added?
That's the stock saddle.
What’s your experience with those handlebars? Good quality or cheap Ali stuff?
Haven't snapped them in half yet. I'm not in a rush to put them on any outdoor bike at this point.
Ok. Need to ask this: how long this white tape remains white?
What do you think about the handlebar? Would you use it on an outdoor bike?
Not without having it inspected by a carbon expert first.
Could you use this on a Kickr V4?
No. Not until (if/when) Wahoo release a firmware to support Zwift virtual shifting. We're still waiting to see it on the V5.
Can't decide whether this is fair value or over priced. Nice to have a dedicated set up but also you could save a chunk by using an actual bike on the trainer which you could then use outside. Will like seeing one down the bike shop when someone needs a new bottom bracket 😂 if the bike is available on its own it'll have to be cheap as again you could buy an actual bike to ride outside. But I guess it has its purpose.
It’s not going to be for everyone.
Ebay frame, cheap shifters, crankset cassette. All for less, and crank size you prefer. For me, it's a no. Cheers.
@@garysladek9110same here. I bought the cheapest Triban as my sacrificial trainer bike. When it spoils, I’ll just convert it into a market bike.
@@gplama "It’s going to be for everyone." I think you left out a word :) Obviously, being Zwift-Only is significant limitation. The wireless shifters depend on the Zwift App to shift virtual gears. This means the bike - even with a different trainer attached - will work only with the Zwift app..
@@NotElvis Correct. I did. Fixed. (I replied while out on the roadside on a Sunday night testing more bike things... thankfully this wasn't the DURA, so the tests worked!)
Oh hey a pressfit bottom bracket.
CeramicSpeed are surely planning something here! An upgrade kit worth more than the bike!
@@gplama why not something from a 5yo 🤔
Also it seems likely belt drive is a future option at least the impression I got from a comment by DCR when I said it looked possible
At this point, dumping on "press-fit" simply reveals ignorance, since the entire mechanical world runs on pressfit bearings.
The trick here isn't the BB, those 6004 bearings are a very common size, it's the 20mm axle crank that's the trick to find
@@galenkehler who said I was dumping on pressfit? I love pressfit. Surprised a bicycle (even a trainer form) is using it in this day and age where almost all mainstream brands run away from it.
Still waiting for that Tacx Neo3 hand's on review....
That's in the hands of Garmin. The NEO 3M is still unavailable here in Australia. Six months after 'release'.
@@gplama I understand. Garmin isn’t too smart. Your reviews have caused me to buy a number of products.
I dont see why zwift can't allow people to pick their own custom gearing with the zwift click. This shows they have the ability, so why can't I pick the gearing I have on my outdoor bike?
Nice, now change the.chain to a beltdrive…
It seems like everything Zwift introduces is half thought out. Frame doesn't work with a climb, single length crank arms, non standard bottom bracket, Zwift only compatible shifting, etc.
Hack forward slash bodge
Its all part of a 5 year marketing plan. There will be a V2. V3 .... or adapter sjit
Why does it even need a chain? A belt would be better?
First comment
🥇 Nice!
You tested stability by standing on the pedals at the bottom of its rotation. What about standing on the pedal at the top of its rotation? How about a full out sprint? The single foot at the front of this bike creates a triangle what doesn't look very stable when leaning forward. You have ridden other smart bikes with 4 legs. How does this bike compare?
It's a Kickr CORE when it comes to 'stability', for which I have no issue. People haven't been toppling off those since it was introduced back in 2018. You really need to be doing something wrong if it has happened. As mentioned in the video, the front right leg on the CORE could be extended with a custom hack if really needed.
Have you not seen a real bike? Do they have two wheels in the front or something? Why would this be any different?
The footprint has a larget contact patch than an actual bike tyre. When will people understand this?
170 crank only 😡😡
Apart from the controls, how does it differ from a standard frame? You can only adjust your saddle so much, you can't change the crank length, you can even put it on the wahoo climb, so yeah. Damn
I make videos like this so people can make up their own mind based on more information than just a glossy advertisements.
Being locked to Zwift is a NO for me.
Lack of compatibility with other apps=deal breaker. If swift had the ability to ride real world courses like RGT used to I’d subscribe and quit all other apps
Silliest thing I've ever seen. Why not just buy a cheap bike and mount it?
Also, why not a belt instead of a chain? And why isn't everything adjustable, crank length, bar width?
I guess they somehow have to sell you the upgraded version.
Not a product that I would be interested in anyway, but the lack of crank length options is a huge miss.
Is it a Smart Frame though? No tech and apart from the stem adjustment, it's dumber than an actual bike frame.
A topic discussed in my previous video. Call it whatever you like I guess.
A massive fail, terribly designed, buy yourself a cheap Alu with 105 Shimino, non Thru Axel bike, and youve got a bike you can use outside, useless thing. If its 50€ then ok.