I think it's a really bad idea for a reasons, obviously as august said it wont fix the issue, it just sweeps it away, but also 1. It can be really punishing to people who get a punishment for something somewhat inoffensive, and then playing with hard inters, or racists. 2. A lot of people do pride themselves on being toxic as it is without reward, this would incentivize people to be toxic, and a big problem is, even if you make a punishment some people will do things just to be punished. 3. Streamers would likely be effected more than other people, just to be targeted to int reported and put in the queue just out of spite, which seems unfair.
A fundamental issue with "prisoner island" is that people will get themselves put there on purpose, then record the absolute pits of it. They can then go and represent that as the entire game to people not playing the game. This has been a major issue for a few games
@@SedBuildsThings One example was fall guys. They did a similar things to hackers in the first few months. Then people started turning off their cheats and recording as they tried to win without cheats against lobbies full of cheaters. It turned a lot of people away from the game because how many cheaters must the be to get a lobby where over 90% of the players where cheating?
@@SedBuildsThings Dota 2 Low priority queue, it's basically the "prisoners island", and a lot of funny and tilting content from dota is made here. So yes, for new players, LP could get sentence to leaving the game
The kayle situation is what happened to Tristana currently. She wasnt very good bot but her mid was astoundingly unfair. Now she's been nerfed and is down there with varus in horrible tier bot side. I honestly just wish they removed her wave pressure and tower taking power instead.
Kayle was given the lowest Magic Resistance in all of League of Legends, a Lane Champion. Yuumi a champion that's invulnerable 90% of the game has higher MR than Kayle. Tristana was spared in comparison to the nerf Kayle received.
She was number 1 mid laner for 7 patches in a row or something like that, the winrates don't show but that because she had a huge lick rate@@WorldKeepsSpinnin
Kayle is arguably the worst Rework they done. Didnt fixed any Problems she has, while making her less Unique and even worse to play Early. Still no Skill Expression except one Basic Skillshot. All her other abilities are point and click. She is the most Backloadet Statstick in the Game. Also her Artistic Designs sucks also. She would pierce herself if she bends with this stupid armor. And growing in Strength makes her wear less Armor, just to look hot. Not even her Lore Carries it, because Morgana is by far more interesting then she is. I dont want to offend Morgana players, but she isnt the most exctingly designed Champ either. (Just an Edgy Goth Mommy in Design and a frustrating Utility, CC Champ in Gameplay and still better then Just an Angel Kayle)
"Hey, you're just not allowed to be 54% win rate anywhere" Meanwhile mages bott "It doesn't make a lot of sense to support a character being strongest in a role very few people play them in" Meanwhile mages bot
The job isn’t to make people be nice, it’s to make those who DONT want mean people around them. If people want to be little assholes around explicitly other assholes, let them?
Well, these toxic people would be matched with other toxic people. But it’s not like anyone will ever go „oh wow. This is soo toxic. Is this what I have been doing? I should change.“ and then will actually change. Rather they will themselves be inted/trolled/flamed and become even more frustrated with the game. What league actually needs is, besides proper punishment for disruptive behavior, a lot of incentive for good behavior.
It is a good thing for the rest of players if the toxic ones get frustrated and leave, it's a game, I wouldn't have a moral dilema like I would have with prisoners not being able to reintegrate into society, one might even argue that it's actually in their best interest because of their own mental health. The problem for them would be, how much of a player base would they lose from toxics leaving VS how much they would win from a best experience for the rest
I think "lack of incentive for good behavior" is honestly hitting the nail on its head. Proper punishment i feel like League is doing not the worst job at in comparison to other games of similar calibre
There is 0 incentive for good or neutral behaviour in game. It's also dumb how people with egos will interpret shot calling as toxic and adopt a "you can't tell me what to do mentality." Loot boxes aren't a good reward even if they drop more (which they don't), it'd be nicer if positive behaviour landed you better or more stable queues with players not loss streaking.
I would love to play with nice players. I have disabled my chat since s10. I would love to encourage my team when they make bad plays. I would love to tell feeder its ok and maybe help them if they can be helped. But as is I just dont interact with anyone beyond pings
Red side camera angle is the main thing that makes me wanna quit this game and I know that I'm not the only one so why don't they just redesign the map? Like they don't have to make it from the ground up, they just need to refine it a bit.
@@darealrulezbreaker9493 yeah but if the camera flip option was available then there would be no need to skew the matchmaking towards red side. I have 74%wr on Red and 48% on Blue but my time in Red is absolutely sucky because of how much I have to fight the camera control.
@@Zilla_Cat yeah, and honestly it do not believe that it would take THAT much work to implement: If you were to flip the camera right now on current summoners rift then you would have a lot of spots on the backside of walls that you usually cant see that would be missing or fked up... but thats it. Thats all that has to be patched up and done. All the Minions, Monsters, Champs, Drakes, Towers, etc already have a fully implemented "backside".
No they'd to effectively rebuild it from the ground up. There's not textures on the other side. Also, itd be an entire change in lingo. Itd be trying to change everyones terminology to remove bot and top as those would cease to be static. At best you could steal from smite and use terms like off lane or solo lane and duo lane. Yes, you could call the bot carry roll marksman, but that ignores as the mages played there. Duo carry might work?
Like 90% of leagues social issues would be solved if they brought back Tribunal. Let the community curate their own experience. It will lead to a better one. Prisoner island is a close second. The simple reality is some people want that kind of rhetoric and behaviour to be a part of their experience. Not isolating them forces people who do not want that to be part of their experience to have it as a part of their experience, because it is harder to stop someone from doing something that they want to do than it is to encourage them to do the things you would like them to do, and have them do it. You fundamentally make both player's experiences worse by forcing them to interact.
@@MIIC2 It was a website that you could log into if your account was in good standing that would show you player reports for low level decorum offenses. Stuff like offensive language offenses or trolling. It would show you their Champ and a map of their deaths as well as the chat log. And then you could vote on whether or not to punish the player or not for a little bit of IP (Influence points. Equivalent to blue essence, except you'd get a little bit every game you played. More for Ws and less for Ls.)
I’m a Kayle main and I play her almost exclusively mid now. Top feels very bad to play and you can get removed from the game if your jungler decides you’re not worth helping lmao. Mid allows to breathe and I wish they’d try not remove her ability to go mid.
You're not wrong in the fact that toxic players will always be toxic, but I think that there could be a system implemented that would actually reward players for positive and helpful behavior
@hagalathekido not really, its just that this is the way humans treat eachother without the inbuilt social behaviours that tangible face to face interactions activate in our brains. Our brains evolved with social interaction being a large part of them, but doing it over the internet messes with the circuitry. It's not designed for it.
I have to wonder if the reason Kayle players don't want to play her mid is that she isn't given enough time while viable in that role for players to adapt. League players are slow to do anything that could be considered out of meta for fear of team pushback. Like I agree that Seraphine should be balanced where players play her, but there's a difference between all the players being in the role that is 6+ percent weaker since release (it's closer now that they're balancing around support) and most of the players being in the role that is 1 percent weaker and it's only really been weak since the balance changes a few months ago. Also Sera is balanced so that she's still viable in the other roles where as Riot seemingly wants Kayle mid to disappear.
I believe if toxic players played together against non toxic players, they would have disadvantage. So to climb rank you would benefit from not playing with trolls. And you would be rewarded for being nice.
Prisoner island queue is already a thing i have two accounts one with bad honor score hardstuck emerald 3-4 like 50 games getting hard inted (not soft inted) in 1/3 games, soft inted almost every other game and my main which is honor lvl 3 is like d3 d1 mmr and master gm normal mmr and i literally may have gotten soft inted in 1/80 games but i cant even remember it happening once.
If you make a prisoner's island queue it would likely encourage the behavior of instantly reporting people for any remark that can be interpreted as negative hoping to get them locked up
If some player is reporting more than others their reports and inputs could be weight less. Crying the wolf mechanic. On the other hand if someone "never" reports but once feels the need. Their opion could be valued more. Plus new mechanics could be introduced
Ownivamp needs to go back up to 20%, so stupid how you make a expensive item feel so unrewarding to use, specially when most AP casters have AOE attacks. IF specific problem champions are the reason that the item is "busted" then nerf the interaction with those specific champions instead of nerfing the item accross the board into something so unrewarding. They sure love to make certain abilities add On Hit effects or Crit with certain champions or make them not work at full power, but cant do that for omnivamp, ridiculous and lazy.
Kayle needs a rework, she has lost her late game hyper carry identity where u struggle incredibly through early and mid to have a triumphant late in teamfights + split. Her kit is so easily counterable that she only has a good WR into good enemy + ally team comp outside of mid. Her kit is trash..
@@snekky3415 lol, non-TopLane champs make up almost 20% of all champs picked TopLane. Thats a really big % if you ask me. Clearly tells you that there is rally something wrong with the role or rather the champions that are supposed to be played in that role if 1/5th of the champions played there are not even TopLane champs.
Im so sick of that argument sera is most played by supports!! Well the causal player doesn't even build her right! You're forcing her to he a shield enchanter but casual players always build Ap items like blacktorch/archangle/linadrys which offer no team utility. And on the build menu to build any support items like echos/helias you have to go out of your way to search for it. All her features items are not support items so why are you guys forcing her to be an enchanter and confusing players You guys are the reason her as a champion has such a identity crisis
Kayle is higher win rate mid because only the highest IQ kayle players have the foresight to take her to her best role designed for her, mid lane. Extremely weak early scaling top laners is such a bad design, if the enemy jungler is half decent you will be dove. If he's not decent, you have a chance to scale. Ranged tops are also disgusting to play against in general and is half the reason that role is so hated.
Kayle is extremely weak champion early on. Thats why no one plays her. Shes honestly one of the worst champions early on. . Straight trash. And by the time level 16 hits. The game is over.
He really confuses winrate for power here. Kayle mid is not "too powerful", its simply a pick that works, and is only played by the most passionate kayle mains. This is the same case with a champion like Swain. Swain has a 52% winrate mid, despite being pretty weak
And I'm pretty sure she is only played as an assassins counterpick. If you play against any competent long range mage you won't do shit for the whole game.
I don’t get why champions can’t be played in different positions…. You don’t need to nerf her mid lane power just because she’s suddenly stronger in mid. That’s is a position issue, it’s a champ issue. If she’s strong in both roles, then that means she’s a strong champion. 52% win rate is still very strong. The logic for the balancing team man…. Silver mentality really shows.
If a champion is that unpopular that the sample size isnt even big enough To where 54% is a reliable number, do we really care about it having a 54 winrate?
my idea kayle build although not best/playable right now would be nashors, lichbane, gunblade, guinsoos, and rabadons i feel like these 5 items in any order should be her best build in terms of what should be correct not what is correct if that makes sense.
Id switch an item out for something semi-tanky like Rylais, Zhonyas, or Banshees. Lich Bane is for burst and Guinsoos is for DPS, so i personally would not have both those items in the same build.
idk what to tell you bro, if you're gonna play top lane then you have to learn how to deal with ranged top matchups. pretty much just a skill issue at a certain point
54% winrate is too high for any champion in any role. *gestures heavily towards the last 3 years of seraphine 56%, ziggs 55% and karthus 54% in botlane* Mmmmhmmmmm
You do realize that mages bot have collectively maybe 0.5% pickrate? Is Lissandra support broken because one korean OTP was playing her with 80% winrate in challenger?
Vel’Koz winrate in challenger Korea was 64% while Azzapp was there. Better nerf Vel’Koz, best champ in the game! Surely sample size has nothing to do with what he’s saying at all! I am very smart!
@ambiguousspotlightofinsani6764 mages collectively held a 5-14% play rate in botline while DOMINATING the winrate category. The bane of toplane vayne top peaked at a 5% pickrate, and hardly broke 51% win rate. Yet you want me to take that seriously?
@@Wildcat12 vayne top had a 5% pickeate at peak and 51% winrate and top laners en mass SCREAMED for 2 years. Mages bot surpassed that in both winrate and pick rates.
@@einjharrelraca vayne top is not good, uh huh. Literally one of the hardest top champs to play, the only reason she was annoying was fleet footwork being broken af, giving both a ton of MS and a ton of sustain. Does it make Teemo broken by this logic? Mages collectively didnt hold shit, ppl are always whining about fucking karthus botlane with 0.1% pickrate having 60% WR. The only more or less broken APC example recently is Brand, who got nerfed and isn't picked anymore. Just maybe you could also put Zyra on the list -- guess what? Also nerfed. It's literally the ADC season since the crit item changes, quit whining
prisoner island would be the peak of league's skill level
It would be like blue lock for lol
I think it's a really bad idea for a reasons, obviously as august said it wont fix the issue, it just sweeps it away, but also
1. It can be really punishing to people who get a punishment for something somewhat inoffensive, and then playing with hard inters, or racists.
2. A lot of people do pride themselves on being toxic as it is without reward, this would incentivize people to be toxic, and a big problem is, even if you make a punishment some people will do things just to be punished.
3. Streamers would likely be effected more than other people, just to be targeted to int reported and put in the queue just out of spite, which seems unfair.
Typical flamer copium
@@KinginTurqoise I wasn't responding to you, I was responding to the original comment.
A fundamental issue with "prisoner island" is that people will get themselves put there on purpose, then record the absolute pits of it. They can then go and represent that as the entire game to people not playing the game. This has been a major issue for a few games
@@pointynives what games has this ever been an issue for?
@@SedBuildsThings One example was fall guys. They did a similar things to hackers in the first few months. Then people started turning off their cheats and recording as they tried to win without cheats against lobbies full of cheaters. It turned a lot of people away from the game because how many cheaters must the be to get a lobby where over 90% of the players where cheating?
@@pointynives all those videos, people said that they were playing in cheater lobbies though? that was the whole point of the vids lol
@@SedBuildsThings Dota 2 Low priority queue, it's basically the "prisoners island", and a lot of funny and tilting content from dota is made here. So yes, for new players, LP could get sentence to leaving the game
I mean, nobody would really care, League is already infamous for its extremely toxic playerbase. Its not like it'd hurt its image in any way :D
The kayle situation is what happened to Tristana currently. She wasnt very good bot but her mid was astoundingly unfair. Now she's been nerfed and is down there with varus in horrible tier bot side. I honestly just wish they removed her wave pressure and tower taking power instead.
Varus? XD
Trist was broken bot and mid.
Kayle was given the lowest Magic Resistance in all of League of Legends, a Lane Champion.
Yuumi a champion that's invulnerable 90% of the game has higher MR than Kayle.
Tristana was spared in comparison to the nerf Kayle received.
@@OmenLamb Then there's zigs with his what 17 base armor? Cause of his terror bot side.
She was number 1 mid laner for 7 patches in a row or something like that, the winrates don't show but that because she had a huge lick rate@@WorldKeepsSpinnin
bro acting like kayle in top isn't a dogshit design champion lol
Kayle is arguably the worst Rework they done. Didnt fixed any Problems she has, while making her less Unique and even worse to play Early. Still no Skill Expression except one Basic Skillshot. All her other abilities are point and click. She is the most Backloadet Statstick in the Game.
Also her Artistic Designs sucks also. She would pierce herself if she bends with this stupid armor. And growing in Strength makes her wear less Armor, just to look hot. Not even her Lore Carries it, because Morgana is by far more interesting then she is. I dont want to offend Morgana players, but she isnt the most exctingly designed Champ either. (Just an Edgy Goth Mommy in Design and a frustrating Utility, CC Champ in Gameplay and still better then Just an Angel Kayle)
So the problem is that the majority of players pick her in the wrong lane?
putting all the people who are jerks together and creating a circle is a great idea!
Put me on prisoner’s island, I’m ready 😈
"Hey, you're just not allowed to be 54% win rate anywhere" Meanwhile mages bott
"It doesn't make a lot of sense to support a character being strongest in a role very few people play them in" Meanwhile mages bot
The job isn’t to make people be nice, it’s to make those who DONT want mean people around them. If people want to be little assholes around explicitly other assholes, let them?
Exactly, they are intentionally making the game uninteractive and soulless.
Well, these toxic people would be matched with other toxic people. But it’s not like anyone will ever go „oh wow. This is soo toxic. Is this what I have been doing? I should change.“ and then will actually change. Rather they will themselves be inted/trolled/flamed and become even more frustrated with the game.
What league actually needs is, besides proper punishment for disruptive behavior, a lot of incentive for good behavior.
It is a good thing for the rest of players if the toxic ones get frustrated and leave, it's a game, I wouldn't have a moral dilema like I would have with prisoners not being able to reintegrate into society, one might even argue that it's actually in their best interest because of their own mental health. The problem for them would be, how much of a player base would they lose from toxics leaving VS how much they would win from a best experience for the rest
I think "lack of incentive for good behavior" is honestly hitting the nail on its head. Proper punishment i feel like League is doing not the worst job at in comparison to other games of similar calibre
There is 0 incentive for good or neutral behaviour in game. It's also dumb how people with egos will interpret shot calling as toxic and adopt a "you can't tell me what to do mentality." Loot boxes aren't a good reward even if they drop more (which they don't), it'd be nicer if positive behaviour landed you better or more stable queues with players not loss streaking.
Well we gutted Singed because he was mid seems fair to gut Kayle.
I would love to play with nice players. I have disabled my chat since s10. I would love to encourage my team when they make bad plays. I would love to tell feeder its ok and maybe help them if they can be helped. But as is I just dont interact with anyone beyond pings
Same, as someone who came from DOTA, it was kind of insane to see how much more toxic a player can get x_X
Red side camera angle is the main thing that makes me wanna quit this game and I know that I'm not the only one so why don't they just redesign the map? Like they don't have to make it from the ground up, they just need to refine it a bit.
I prefer playing red cause idc about the camera angle and the game is scewed in reds favour to compensate for the sucky camera angle apparently
@@darealrulezbreaker9493 yeah but if the camera flip option was available then there would be no need to skew the matchmaking towards red side. I have 74%wr on Red and 48% on Blue but my time in Red is absolutely sucky because of how much I have to fight the camera control.
@@Zilla_Cat There is a "Fix Side Offset" option ingame if thats what you are talking about
@@Zilla_Cat yeah, and honestly it do not believe that it would take THAT much work to implement:
If you were to flip the camera right now on current summoners rift then you would have a lot of spots on the backside of walls that you usually cant see that would be missing or fked up... but thats it. Thats all that has to be patched up and done. All the Minions, Monsters, Champs, Drakes, Towers, etc already have a fully implemented "backside".
No they'd to effectively rebuild it from the ground up. There's not textures on the other side. Also, itd be an entire change in lingo. Itd be trying to change everyones terminology to remove bot and top as those would cease to be static. At best you could steal from smite and use terms like off lane or solo lane and duo lane. Yes, you could call the bot carry roll marksman, but that ignores as the mages played there. Duo carry might work?
Like 90% of leagues social issues would be solved if they brought back Tribunal. Let the community curate their own experience. It will lead to a better one.
Prisoner island is a close second. The simple reality is some people want that kind of rhetoric and behaviour to be a part of their experience.
Not isolating them forces people who do not want that to be part of their experience to have it as a part of their experience, because it is harder to stop someone from doing something that they want to do than it is to encourage them to do the things you would like them to do, and have them do it.
You fundamentally make both player's experiences worse by forcing them to interact.
What was tribunal?
@@MIIC2 It was a website that you could log into if your account was in good standing that would show you player reports for low level decorum offenses.
Stuff like offensive language offenses or trolling. It would show you their Champ and a map of their deaths as well as the chat log.
And then you could vote on whether or not to punish the player or not for a little bit of IP (Influence points. Equivalent to blue essence, except you'd get a little bit every game you played. More for Ws and less for Ls.)
I’m a Kayle main and I play her almost exclusively mid now. Top feels very bad to play and you can get removed from the game if your jungler decides you’re not worth helping lmao. Mid allows to breathe and I wish they’d try not remove her ability to go mid.
I loved playing Kayle mid and getting oneshottes by Diana lvl3 :D we had the lower Mr than yuumi yaaaay now it's even lower
Theres no way for riot "to get people to stop treating each other poorly" because its not a bug of the game, its a bug of the human condition.
You're not wrong in the fact that toxic players will always be toxic, but I think that there could be a system implemented that would actually reward players for positive and helpful behavior
The game really draws upon that though
@hagalathekido not really, its just that this is the way humans treat eachother without the inbuilt social behaviours that tangible face to face interactions activate in our brains. Our brains evolved with social interaction being a large part of them, but doing it over the internet messes with the circuitry. It's not designed for it.
I have to wonder if the reason Kayle players don't want to play her mid is that she isn't given enough time while viable in that role for players to adapt. League players are slow to do anything that could be considered out of meta for fear of team pushback. Like I agree that Seraphine should be balanced where players play her, but there's a difference between all the players being in the role that is 6+ percent weaker since release (it's closer now that they're balancing around support) and most of the players being in the role that is 1 percent weaker and it's only really been weak since the balance changes a few months ago. Also Sera is balanced so that she's still viable in the other roles where as Riot seemingly wants Kayle mid to disappear.
they already do it with loser's queue
Loser Q is a myth
I believe if toxic players played together against non toxic players, they would have disadvantage. So to climb rank you would benefit from not playing with trolls. And you would be rewarded for being nice.
Prisoner island queue is already a thing i have two accounts one with bad honor score hardstuck emerald 3-4 like 50 games getting hard inted (not soft inted) in 1/3 games, soft inted almost every other game and my main which is honor lvl 3 is like d3 d1 mmr and master gm normal mmr and i literally may have gotten soft inted in 1/80 games but i cant even remember it happening once.
I wish they would add that it would make the game more fun
I think physical removal would be great idea
absolutely agreed. anti-social behavior like toxicity should not be tolerated.
@@pretzels1208cry about it lmaooo
If you make a prisoner's island queue it would likely encourage the behavior of instantly reporting people for any remark that can be interpreted as negative hoping to get them locked up
That is an issue going on already, you can’t even say gragas is fat without getting a chat restriction lmao
@@user-sh6ve5zr2v It's been an issue since the mod bots got added, i'm saying adding a queue like this would make it even worse
If some player is reporting more than others their reports and inputs could be weight less. Crying the wolf mechanic. On the other hand if someone "never" reports but once feels the need. Their opion could be valued more. Plus new mechanics could be introduced
just say it. if Kayle mid is too strong, Nemesis climbs to rank 1. if Pyke mid is too strong, Davemon climbs to rank 1.
Ownivamp needs to go back up to 20%, so stupid how you make a expensive item feel so unrewarding to use, specially when most AP casters have AOE attacks. IF specific problem champions are the reason that the item is "busted" then nerf the interaction with those specific champions instead of nerfing the item accross the board into something so unrewarding. They sure love to make certain abilities add On Hit effects or Crit with certain champions or make them not work at full power, but cant do that for omnivamp, ridiculous and lazy.
Remove river changing indicators and hit boxes...
Kayle needs a rework, she has lost her late game hyper carry identity where u struggle incredibly through early and mid to have a triumphant late in teamfights + split. Her kit is so easily counterable that she only has a good WR into good enemy + ally team comp outside of mid. Her kit is trash..
I want to be part of toxicity island, NGL.
But vayne, tf, cassio,etc top are not bad for lol
They're not popular enough for riot to care
How dumb you gotta be to not see how the balance is different for each lane? You gotta be pretending, no one is that dumb naturally.
@@snekky3415 watch pro play
Most drafts are adc top and mid marksmen are everwhere and its not fun to play vs them
Top in general is bad for league, it's the only lane where snowball is literally unstoppable.
@@snekky3415 lol, non-TopLane champs make up almost 20% of all champs picked TopLane. Thats a really big % if you ask me. Clearly tells you that there is rally something wrong with the role or rather the champions that are supposed to be played in that role if 1/5th of the champions played there are not even TopLane champs.
Im so sick of that argument sera is most played by supports!! Well the causal player doesn't even build her right! You're forcing her to he a shield enchanter but casual players always build Ap items like blacktorch/archangle/linadrys which offer no team utility. And on the build menu to build any support items like echos/helias you have to go out of your way to search for it. All her features items are not support items so why are you guys forcing her to be an enchanter and confusing players
You guys are the reason her as a champion has such a identity crisis
Kayle is higher win rate mid because only the highest IQ kayle players have the foresight to take her to her best role designed for her, mid lane. Extremely weak early scaling top laners is such a bad design, if the enemy jungler is half decent you will be dove. If he's not decent, you have a chance to scale.
Ranged tops are also disgusting to play against in general and is half the reason that role is so hated.
Prisoner Q Iron to Challenger ep 1
BRING BACK GUNBLADE
Kayle is extremely weak champion early on. Thats why no one plays her. Shes honestly one of the worst champions early on. . Straight trash. And by the time level 16 hits. The game is over.
He really confuses winrate for power here.
Kayle mid is not "too powerful", its simply a pick that works, and is only played by the most passionate kayle mains.
This is the same case with a champion like Swain. Swain has a 52% winrate mid, despite being pretty weak
And I'm pretty sure she is only played as an assassins counterpick.
If you play against any competent long range mage you won't do shit for the whole game.
Yep. Swain is also just a counterpick for bruisers, fighters, and tanks mid.
I am a mid Kayle player myself, and you are absolutely right. Kayle mid against mages is horrible. Against assassins is easy af@@Saowli
I don’t get why champions can’t be played in different positions…. You don’t need to nerf her mid lane power just because she’s suddenly stronger in mid. That’s is a position issue, it’s a champ issue. If she’s strong in both roles, then that means she’s a strong champion. 52% win rate is still very strong. The logic for the balancing team man…. Silver mentality really shows.
Played league pc since day one. Wild rift is so much better
Actually clueless
If a champion is that unpopular that the sample size isnt even big enough To where 54% is a reliable number, do we really care about it having a 54 winrate?
my idea kayle build although not best/playable right now would be
nashors, lichbane, gunblade, guinsoos, and rabadons
i feel like these 5 items in any order should be her best build in terms of what should be correct not what is correct if that makes sense.
Id switch an item out for something semi-tanky like Rylais, Zhonyas, or Banshees. Lich Bane is for burst and Guinsoos is for DPS, so i personally would not have both those items in the same build.
But ranged top is fine. Another riot L
idk what to tell you bro, if you're gonna play top lane then you have to learn how to deal with ranged top matchups. pretty much just a skill issue at a certain point
This guy sucks at reasoning.
Care to explain how you came to that conclusion?
@@Miles168 he struggles to explain why kayle mid is bad in 10 minutes
54% winrate is too high for any champion in any role.
*gestures heavily towards the last 3 years of seraphine 56%, ziggs 55% and karthus 54% in botlane*
Mmmmhmmmmm
You do realize that mages bot have collectively maybe 0.5% pickrate?
Is Lissandra support broken because one korean OTP was playing her with 80% winrate in challenger?
Vel’Koz winrate in challenger Korea was 64% while Azzapp was there. Better nerf Vel’Koz, best champ in the game! Surely sample size has nothing to do with what he’s saying at all! I am very smart!
@ambiguousspotlightofinsani6764 mages collectively held a 5-14% play rate in botline while DOMINATING the winrate category. The bane of toplane vayne top peaked at a 5% pickrate, and hardly broke 51% win rate. Yet you want me to take that seriously?
@@Wildcat12 vayne top had a 5% pickeate at peak and 51% winrate and top laners en mass SCREAMED for 2 years.
Mages bot surpassed that in both winrate and pick rates.
@@einjharrelraca vayne top is not good, uh huh. Literally one of the hardest top champs to play, the only reason she was annoying was fleet footwork being broken af, giving both a ton of MS and a ton of sustain. Does it make Teemo broken by this logic?
Mages collectively didnt hold shit, ppl are always whining about fucking karthus botlane with 0.1% pickrate having 60% WR.
The only more or less broken APC example recently is Brand, who got nerfed and isn't picked anymore. Just maybe you could also put Zyra on the list -- guess what? Also nerfed. It's literally the ADC season since the crit item changes, quit whining
I main jhin and kayle both are only played has mid primary top secondary has they are more fun in mid but ok top