Thanks for the video. I would like to see extreme FOC arrows react in high winds. I would think the vanes would drag the arrow just enough to keep it straight while the front weight would lead it to where its going to go and once it hit, continue to pull the rest of the arrow through. Even if the arrow entered a little sideways, i would think the front weight would pull it through versus the entire arrow pushing as one unit through the animal.
define Extreme FOC you have to remember the more weight you add the slower its going to go and it will get to a point where the arrow just won't get more than 10 feet from you LOL i seen guy shooting 700 Plus Grain Arrows but you need alot of Bow to shoot them when they get that heavy iam at 199 fps 58lbs draw with 520 grain arrows as it is i have tried upto 62 lbs but with not alot of benefit i would have to max my bow out to 70lbs to pretty much get the same results as i do currently with 520 grain in order to shoot 700 to 760 will say,. just a ruff guess but the bow pound does creat limits as does its top speed whit for me is 314 tops with a light arrow so if iam getting 199 fps 520 grain 58 lbs right now with my current setup and extra 200 grain even at 70 lbs i dont see much happening there some but not alot hard to say tho but distance is the biggest killer tho a shorter run with higher winds not a big deal over all but longer distance all the weight in the world won't matter an arrow is a larger object so the wind can whip it faster and eaiser than it can a bullet but both are still affected big time either way even if the arrow flew pretty straight in a higher wind still it's going to get shoved way off course but i dont think the FOC is going to help it either way ,I will put this idea in my notes to look into for you and see what i can do it's worth a shot for sure ..
Oh man, so i comment when i have a thought so i don't forget what I wanted to say. You are talking about 500 spine, 400 spine, and possibly a 700 spine! Before i even started to think about a heavy arrow setup, i had a 340 spine. I loaded it up with 300 insert and broadhead and it couldn't handle it (some of the time) out of a 63 pound bow 30 inch draw. Way too flexible. Any wind would plane too much. 225 up front was its max. Certain huge broadheads caused planing too. I'd be curious what your wrapped arrow spine really is. I would be funny if you changed it to like 300.
I appreciate you video and your comments on the subject but some things you can try to adjust the performance of your Front Of Center (FOC) or “balancing point”. You are talking about the parachuting being caused by the FOC in the light arrow. This is not true, if you have a high FOC arrow, light or heavy, you need to adjust the size of your fletching to compensate. With the front pulling the arrow you need less drag and steering force in the rear. Same as a rocket, fins are typically small compared to length or body or projectile.
i did say iam not an expert right. i have some arrows here with rather large fletches well feathers in this case iam aware that the arrows will react different with different size vanes or feathers depends on the lbs and speed of the bow how they reach tho if with a standard setup this i have found also the rest being used also greatly affects how the run to this i have also noticed part of what i have also been testing different rests as well on trad bows to see how things react good and bad ..i have still alot more to learn as we all do , i just got done watching a video where they guy shot lighter and heavier arrows FOC difference however what spooked me was i saw that one arrow pulled more into the riser then the other and that is not a fair test so his results to me are a bit flawed so it gave me and idea for a video of heavey vs light all arrows being equal lengths then we see the difference 100% give me a few days and ill get something new together to really make stuf fair in a real life test still going to shoot at a target but it will be fair
ya its pretty nuts of a subject both are really , so yesterday i went and bought 12 400 spin 300 grain custom cut easton arrows more testing to do gota have the perfect weight for the bow for hunting while i was there he even sold me some cutom cut 27.5 inch shaft to shaft easton arrows for a good deal for my bear apprintice bow that are 340 spine 405 grain again more testing it's not all about weight it's the spine to its going to be a fun week ahead for me with all this stuff but we might just get some answers in the end that are more solid
Thanks for the video. I would like to see extreme FOC arrows react in high winds. I would think the vanes would drag the arrow just enough to keep it straight while the front weight would lead it to where its going to go and once it hit, continue to pull the rest of the arrow through. Even if the arrow entered a little sideways, i would think the front weight would pull it through versus the entire arrow pushing as one unit through the animal.
define Extreme FOC you have to remember the more weight you add the slower its going to go and it will get to a point where the arrow just won't get more than 10 feet from you LOL i seen guy shooting 700 Plus Grain Arrows but you need alot of Bow to shoot them when they get that heavy iam at 199 fps 58lbs draw with 520 grain arrows as it is i have tried upto 62 lbs but with not alot of benefit i would have to max my bow out to 70lbs to pretty much get the same results as i do currently with 520 grain in order to shoot 700 to 760 will say,. just a ruff guess but the bow pound does creat limits as does its top speed whit for me is 314 tops with a light arrow so if iam getting 199 fps 520 grain 58 lbs right now with my current setup and extra 200 grain even at 70 lbs i dont see much happening there some but not alot hard to say tho but distance is the biggest killer tho a shorter run with higher winds not a big deal over all but longer distance all the weight in the world won't matter an arrow is a larger object so the wind can whip it faster and eaiser than it can a bullet but both are still affected big time either way even if the arrow flew pretty straight in a higher wind still it's going to get shoved way off course but i dont think the FOC is going to help it either way ,I will put this idea in my notes to look into for you and see what i can do it's worth a shot for sure ..
Oh man, so i comment when i have a thought so i don't forget what I wanted to say. You are talking about 500 spine, 400 spine, and possibly a 700 spine! Before i even started to think about a heavy arrow setup, i had a 340 spine. I loaded it up with 300 insert and broadhead and it couldn't handle it (some of the time) out of a 63 pound bow 30 inch draw. Way too flexible. Any wind would plane too much. 225 up front was its max. Certain huge broadheads caused planing too. I'd be curious what your wrapped arrow spine really is. I would be funny if you changed it to like 300.
I appreciate you video and your comments on the subject but some things you can try to adjust the performance of your Front Of Center (FOC) or “balancing point”. You are talking about the parachuting being caused by the FOC in the light arrow. This is not true, if you have a high FOC arrow, light or heavy, you need to adjust the size of your fletching to compensate. With the front pulling the arrow you need less drag and steering force in the rear. Same as a rocket, fins are typically small compared to length or body or projectile.
i did say iam not an expert right. i have some arrows here with rather large fletches well feathers in this case iam aware that the arrows will react different with different size vanes or feathers depends on the lbs and speed of the bow how they reach tho if with a standard setup this i have found also the rest being used also greatly affects how the run to this i have also noticed part of what i have also been testing different rests as well on trad bows to see how things react good and bad ..i have still alot more to learn as we all do , i just got done watching a video where they guy shot lighter and heavier arrows FOC difference however what spooked me was i saw that one arrow pulled more into the riser then the other and that is not a fair test so his results to me are a bit flawed so it gave me and idea for a video of heavey vs light all arrows being equal lengths then we see the difference 100% give me a few days and ill get something new together to really make stuf fair in a real life test still going to shoot at a target but it will be fair
More controversial than fixed vs mechanical broadheads?
ya its pretty nuts of a subject both are really , so yesterday i went and bought 12 400 spin 300 grain custom cut easton arrows more testing to do gota have the perfect weight for the bow for hunting while i was there he even sold me some cutom cut 27.5 inch shaft to shaft easton arrows for a good deal for my bear apprintice bow that are 340 spine 405 grain again more testing it's not all about weight it's the spine to its going to be a fun week ahead for me with all this stuff but we might just get some answers in the end that are more solid