Beethoven vs. Steibelt

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  • čas přidán 20. 02. 2013
  • Accounts of the contest record it was a disaster for Steibelt; Beethoven reportedly carried the day by improvising at length on a theme taken from the cello part of a new Steibelt piece-placed upside down on the music rack.
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  • @justely2936
    @justely2936 Před 3 lety +4687

    Steibelt: 3 years of real piano practice with a piano teacher
    Beethoven: 1 week of Simply Piano

    • @vankya2288
      @vankya2288 Před 3 lety +35

      Hahahaha

    • @muhammadalimdzulkarnaen9567
      @muhammadalimdzulkarnaen9567 Před 3 lety +150

      Even better,
      Beethoven after a week of piano tiles :

    • @burakcoskunyurek
      @burakcoskunyurek Před 3 lety +11

      ur genious

    • @baguette3975
      @baguette3975 Před 3 lety +7

      LOL

    • @canman5060
      @canman5060 Před 3 lety +23

      Franz Liszt : Grand teacher Beethoven. I have completely fulfilled your dream of making the piano like a grand symphony with my transcription for piano of your 9th symphony.

  • @Scharlarntz
    @Scharlarntz Před 5 lety +3717

    "The rest is just the same, isn't it?

  • @rampage3390
    @rampage3390 Před 3 lety +713

    Beethoven’s “So, when are you going to start?”
    vs.
    Mozart’s “The rest is just the same, isn’t it?”

    • @terlis3423
      @terlis3423 Před 2 lety +41

      They're the same picture

    • @ludwigvanbeethoven5389
      @ludwigvanbeethoven5389 Před 2 lety +26

      Wolfgang's better than mine

    • @banana7558
      @banana7558 Před 2 lety +11

      @@ludwigvanbeethoven5389 Beethoven, haven't heard any new compositions from you for a while now. Did something happen?

    • @ludwigvanbeethoven5389
      @ludwigvanbeethoven5389 Před 2 lety +16

      @@banana7558 Nah, I am composing Symphony No 5

    • @edit4audios
      @edit4audios Před 2 lety +5

      @@ludwigvanbeethoven5389 ratio im the real beethoven

  • @MARTIN201199
    @MARTIN201199 Před 3 lety +1100

    Beethoven: “improvises as a God”
    Steibelt: “I’m gonna end this man’s whole career”
    Beethoven: “Sorry, I can’t hear you”

  • @GriggsC123
    @GriggsC123 Před 4 lety +3231

    At the end was waiting for Beethoven to do Mozart's laugh....

  • @Jalapablo
    @Jalapablo Před 6 lety +4137

    Someone once challenged J.S. Bach to a keyboard contest (Louis Marchand - the greatest French virtuoso of his day), but when Marchand secretly listened to Bach practicing, he decided to leave town in a hurry. He never showed up for the competition.

    • @aksiiska9470
      @aksiiska9470 Před 5 lety +75

      there is a movie i remember bach had played the chromatic fantasy and fugue

    • @lunar.6091
      @lunar.6091 Před 5 lety +15

      Lmao

    • @lunar.6091
      @lunar.6091 Před 5 lety +13

      @@aksiiska9470 do you remember the name of the movie?

    • @wwbdwwbd
      @wwbdwwbd Před 5 lety +116

      The French have always been free to admit that Germans are superior, especially on the battlefield.

    • @benjohnmiller
      @benjohnmiller Před 5 lety +19

      @@TeslasMoustache419 and a well-tempered clavier.

  • @andrewy9141
    @andrewy9141 Před 3 lety +309

    Wow! Beethoven got to day 3 of Simply Piano! Congrats

  • @guysunderthecity6126
    @guysunderthecity6126 Před 6 lety +2799

    “ so when you gonna start?”
    BURNNNNNN ROASTED

  • @9an13l
    @9an13l Před 6 lety +2504

    "his finger work is finesse itself" - that's what she said

    • @Maximilian0011
      @Maximilian0011 Před 5 lety +26

      daniel, you could not say more stupid thought yet you did, wow

    • @devona1295
      @devona1295 Před 5 lety +62

      Maximilian0011 fuck off

    • @xiveee2840
      @xiveee2840 Před 5 lety +8

      ^

    • @rjc.05
      @rjc.05 Před 5 lety +4

      Devon, you are a maximilian fan same as him

    • @water9892
      @water9892 Před 5 lety +20

      It was what she proclaimed

  • @demienejuaranadj2637
    @demienejuaranadj2637 Před 4 lety +126

    Beethoven was known to be a moody man but his music was the image of what reality is and a passion to follow your own path.

    • @Amphitera
      @Amphitera Před 2 lety +13

      he wasn't really moody until his later years, because of his health. He was actually a very humorous, funny guy who everyone instantly liked when he was younger, sadly this is seldom touched upon, even in "documentaries".

    • @1fneeqf
      @1fneeqf Před 2 lety +4

      @@Amphitera i was just gonna comment exactly that.

  • @admiral_crown6462
    @admiral_crown6462 Před 2 lety +67

    The moment Beethoven activates 1% of his power, you see Steibelt instantly regrets all of his life choises

  • @scythemlbb6052
    @scythemlbb6052 Před 4 lety +2884

    Steibelt: "plays piano"
    Beethoven: "im about to end this man's whole career"

    • @johnkrammer3673
      @johnkrammer3673 Před 4 lety +17

      Scythe Mlbb im about to end this mans whole career

    • @danielfurculita3614
      @danielfurculita3614 Před 4 lety +12

      Hey Kaori:3

    • @Piflaser
      @Piflaser Před 4 lety +4

      No doubt, we love a lot of Steibels too and use not to notice that. And we disprize our Beethovens. Who knows Charles Wuorinen who died last week?

    • @basedaudio1
      @basedaudio1 Před 4 lety +1

      Literally

    • @Wokovsky
      @Wokovsky Před 4 lety +4

      Hey! that's my line against Salieri!

  • @orbitsun
    @orbitsun Před 5 lety +553

    Imagine: there were actually people who had the great good fortune to have seen both Beethoven and Mozart perform. How awesome that must have been.

    • @thebaronv7909
      @thebaronv7909 Před 2 lety +25

      Beethoven, Mozart, chopin, and Rachmaninoff

    • @mauricepitman
      @mauricepitman Před 2 lety +39

      and possibly Haydn and Schubert as well ...and probably never realised what a unique privilege they were experiencing

    • @LisztAddict
      @LisztAddict Před 2 lety +12

      Imagine seeing Franz Liszt play his Liszt-Paganini Etude No. 4 (1838 Version)

    • @leviavila7013
      @leviavila7013 Před rokem +5

      @@thebaronv7909 Debussy and Ravel

    • @DanielJackson2010
      @DanielJackson2010 Před rokem

      not any more awesome than having seen Paco de Lucia play for example. (I don't mean his dabbling into jazz, but his original work) Paco was a Beethoven of the guitar. czcams.com/video/rxYGt1fqZIo/video.html

  • @author7027
    @author7027 Před rokem +81

    The contest between Beethoven and Steibelt
    As the challenger, Steibelt was to play first. He walked to the piano, tossing a piece of his own music on the side, and played. Steibelt was renowned for conjuring up a "storm" on the piano, and this he did to great effect, the "thunder" growling in the bass.
    He rose to great applause, and all eyes turned to Beethoven, who took a deep breath, slowly exhaled, and reluctantly - to the collective relief of everyone present - trudged to the piano.
    -----------------------------
    Beethoven's turn to play
    When he got there he picked up the piece of music Steibelt had tossed on the side, looked at it, showed it the audience ..... and turned it upside down!
    He sat at the piano and played the four notes in the opening bar of Steibelt's music. He began to vary them, embellish them ..... improvise on them.
    He played on, imitated a Steibelt "storm", unpicked Steibelt's playing and put it together again, parodied it and mocked it.
    Steibelt makes a dramatic exit…
    Steibelt, realising he was not only being comprehensively outplayed but humiliated, strode out of the room. Prince Lobkowitz hurried after him, returning a few moments later to say Steibelt had said he would never again set foot in Vienna as long as Beethoven lived there.
    Beethoven lived in Vienna for the rest of his life, and Steibelt kept his promise - he never returned.
    Beethoven was never again asked to take on any piano virtuoso - his position as Vienna's supreme piano virtuoso was established. And those four notes - the first bar of Steibelt's music? They became, in time, the impetus that drives the Eroica Symphony.

  • @dutube99
    @dutube99 Před 3 lety +37

    4:00 She realizes this overkill, this daemon, this intensity, is something to be feared, it belongs beyond this room

  • @Ilovekimi
    @Ilovekimi Před 3 lety +26

    3:04 i love how that smile slowly fades

  • @smudgerbug
    @smudgerbug Před 6 lety +448

    *”So, when you gonna start!”*
    *”We haven’t got all day!”*

  • @sabrinaschantz
    @sabrinaschantz Před 5 lety +415

    *Steibelt has left the chat*

  • @MrLewis-lk8us
    @MrLewis-lk8us Před 2 lety +70

    Never challenge Beethoven or Rachmaninoff to an improvisation on a theme and variations. You will be ruined.

    • @canman5060
      @canman5060 Před rokem +5

      Never challenge Bach to write a 6 parts fugue !

    • @poptartwaffles69
      @poptartwaffles69 Před rokem +3

      Or Schumann or Liszt or Chopin

    • @oceanelf2512
      @oceanelf2512 Před 4 měsíci

      Heh. Too bad there can't be a contest between Rachmaninoff and Beethoven. Then B wouldn't stand a chance.

  • @itsshrimp91
    @itsshrimp91 Před rokem +32

    Love Beethoven's whole persona but I'd give an oscar to Steibelt's "oh crap" expression at 3:24 LOL

  • @BAyernaKED
    @BAyernaKED Před 7 lety +2672

    Almost none of this is really accurate. Steibelts performance is super dumbed down to demonstrate the difference in quality to make the video make sense, but really he was quite an excellent pianist and improvisor. Beethoven, however, was able to - on a whim - flip Steibelts piece upside down, play the first bar upside down (that shouldnt work at all) and then parody steibelts style while using the inverse of his music in such a skillful and superior fashion that steibelt literally walked out of the city and never came back. And again this was just done for the sake of the video, but it lasted much longer than this.

    • @manunited1235
      @manunited1235 Před 5 lety +14

      Ryan Bayer what really happened then?

    • @fpsgod3028
      @fpsgod3028 Před 5 lety +156

      ManUnited123 he just explained

    • @JustinArRasheed
      @JustinArRasheed Před 5 lety +113

      @@manunited1235 He went based on what he heard by ear. He didn't need to look at the music. He played it in the style of his sonatas which he changes a lot of keys (including minor) and develops the theme. Also his piano gymnastics were probably exhaustively varied.

    • @underscoreyes7457
      @underscoreyes7457 Před 5 lety +2

      Ryan Bayer How’d you know though?

    • @andrews4596
      @andrews4596 Před 5 lety +4

      Well when you make a movie on Beethoven of steibelt you do it like you say.

  • @johannsebastianbach3411
    @johannsebastianbach3411 Před 6 lety +1771

    In reality, they did not play tunes from the Magic Flute but rather improvised. And it was Steibelt who showed off with his virtuoso style, whereas Beethoven showed the audience how harmonically monotonous his improvisations were by coming up with more harmonically complex stuff with the same level of virtuosity.
    Edit: for those who don't know, coming up with new harmonic shit on the fly is much harder than just adding bunch of arpeggios and scales here and there, and a faster alberti bass.

    • @jlpt9960
      @jlpt9960 Před 6 lety +21

      stfu fatass u dont know wut ur talking about /s

    • @oilersridersbluejays
      @oilersridersbluejays Před 6 lety +99

      You're a good man Bach. You, me, Wolfy, and Ludwig should go out for a pint some day. Beethoven might out-drink us all however!

    • @DatGamingKid1
      @DatGamingKid1 Před 5 lety +17

      I quite spontaneously concur with this statement my good Sir, hats off.

    • @sugawaramole2152
      @sugawaramole2152 Před 5 lety +24

      Oh god! I kept on seeing dead persons on the comment section!

    • @firstlast-oo1he
      @firstlast-oo1he Před 5 lety +40

      @@thesweggyglenngouldfan5744 Wouldn't you say he's... *Bach* from the dead?

  • @Wokovsky
    @Wokovsky Před 4 lety +460

    Damn, Beethoven roasted Steibelt just like me roasting Salieri!

  • @ronniekray5119
    @ronniekray5119 Před 3 lety +16

    Dzaaamn... I never thought I would get to see Beethoven live recorded in action , Just been admiring his pieces

  • @Fosvis
    @Fosvis Před 7 lety +1037

    Magnificent. They need to have these improvisation contests in our day and age.

    • @octaviancaesarhibernicus4447
      @octaviancaesarhibernicus4447 Před 7 lety +91

      Angelius instead we get freestyle rap battles!

    • @james.randorff
      @james.randorff Před 7 lety +74

      They exist. In the 40's and 50's, they were called "Cutting Contests" and were primarily the domain of jazz musicians. You can still find these today, but you probably won't find them in the polite society as seen in this video.

    • @Fosvis
      @Fosvis Před 7 lety

      Thanks for that insight !

    • @MrFartyman44
      @MrFartyman44 Před 7 lety +5

      But why dude? I can just go to the local symphony and hear the same damn Mozart, Tchaikovsky, and Beethoven pieces every year.

    • @jaden8520
      @jaden8520 Před 6 lety

      Angelius they still do

  • @painiteeclipse5647
    @painiteeclipse5647 Před 5 lety +742

    Just imagine if Liszt was there.

    • @santiago.cervantes9857
      @santiago.cervantes9857 Před 4 lety +79

      -Hungarian rhapsody has entered the chat

    • @wolfgangkleiber5759
      @wolfgangkleiber5759 Před 4 lety +81

      @@santiago.cervantes9857 I am not quite sure Liszt's piano works can really compare with those of Beethoven. That said, Liszt is said to be an extraordinary pianist, possibly the greatest ever.

    • @benvina62
      @benvina62 Před 4 lety +43

      Franz Liszt is the best

    • @user-xk3zf2yj5r
      @user-xk3zf2yj5r Před 4 lety +24

      Painite Eclipse imagine if Chopin was there

    • @Cat-ls1jr
      @Cat-ls1jr Před 4 lety +1

      God

  • @johann6062
    @johann6062 Před 2 lety +8

    There was a point where the audience’s reaction shifted from amazement and cheer to disbelief and silence.

  • @CarrinaCarrillo
    @CarrinaCarrillo Před 10 měsíci +37

    Had Steibelt acknowledged and congratulated Beethoven's magnificent skill and talent, he most likely would have had a friend for life in Beethoven. Not to mention, an amazing piano teacher more than happy to help him improve. It's amazing how ego can be such a double-edged sword.

  • @Bludgeoned2DEATH2
    @Bludgeoned2DEATH2 Před 7 lety +2067

    Back when the people were smarter and it was cooler to be good at the piano and the girls loved it.

    • @ethanmendoza5216
      @ethanmendoza5216 Před 7 lety +239

      Carlos R People werent necessarily "smarter" Just look at the medical practices that were commonly used around that time lol

    • @Bludgeoned2DEATH2
      @Bludgeoned2DEATH2 Před 7 lety +49

      Fair point good sir.

    • @lukebruce5234
      @lukebruce5234 Před 6 lety +172

      no they weren't, the majority of people were peasants and could barely read

    • @racso5628
      @racso5628 Před 6 lety +40

      All good points here so far. Plus women still like it.

    • @bastobasto4866
      @bastobasto4866 Před 6 lety

      No

  • @Standrewww
    @Standrewww Před 4 lety +88

    Steibelt: enters Vienna
    Beethoven: I’m about to end this mans whole career

  • @decimated550
    @decimated550 Před 3 lety +12

    4:18 a worrisome ending to his victory...a deep buzzing from nowhere, a worried look on beet's face...the beginnings of his hearing loss

  • @theoddfather8782
    @theoddfather8782 Před rokem +11

    The difference between very gifted and absolute genius!

  • @LisztyLiszt
    @LisztyLiszt Před 5 lety +226

    If this were really Beethoven there would have been at least 35 more perfect cadences.

  • @JT29501
    @JT29501 Před 9 lety +655

    It's a bit mean to Steibelt to represent him this badly.. I mean I could improvise that variation he did here. I'm sure in reality he gave Beethoven a much sterner contest.

    • @IMSColoradoSprings
      @IMSColoradoSprings Před 9 lety +181

      James Tucker Actually, those who witnessed the event indicated that Beethoven indeed "moped up the floor" with Steibelt. Here is the how it has been recorded. I hope this helps.
      A native of Berlin, Daniel Steibelt was one of Europe's most renowned piano virtuosos. He was a typical Prussian - formal, correct, proper. In 1800 he came to Vienna, no doubt with the aim of advancing his musical reputation.
      It was quickly agreed among the city's musical patrons that Steibelt should compete against Beethoven in an improvisation contest.
      These improvisation contests were a popular form of entertainment among Vienna's aristocracy. One nobleman would support one virtuoso pianist, another would support the other. In the salon of one of the noblemen, the two pianists would compete with each other, each setting the other a tune to improvise on.
      The playing would go back and forth, increasing in intensity, until a winner was declared. In his early years in Vienna, Beethoven was made to take on the city's best talent and he quickly saw them off.It was agreed that Prince Lobkowitz would sponsor Steibelt and Prince Lichnowsky sponsor Beethoven, the improvisation contest to take place in Lobkowitz's palace.
      As the challenger, Steibelt was to play first. He walked to the piano, tossing a piece of his own music on the side, and played. Steibelt was renowned for conjuring up a "storm" on the piano, and this he did to great effect, the "thunder" growling in the bass.
      He rose to great applause, and all eyes turned to Beethoven, who took a deep breath, slowly exhaled, and reluctantly - to the collective relief of everyone present - trudged to the piano.When he got there he picked up the piece of music Steibelt had tossed on the side, looked at it, showed it the audience ..... and turned it upside down!
      He sat at the piano and played the four notes in the opening bar of Steibelt's music. He began to vary them, embellish them ..... improvise on them.
      He played on, imitated a Steibelt "storm", unpicked Steibelt's playing and put it together again, parodied it and mocked it.
      Steibelt, realising he was not only being comprehensively outplayed but humiliated, strode out of the room. Prince Lobkowitz hurried after him, returning a few moments later to say Steibelt had said he would never again set foot in Vienna as long as Beethoven lived there.
      Beethoven lived in Vienna for the rest of his life, and Steibelt kept his promise - he never returned.Beethoven was never again asked to take on any piano virtuoso - his position as Vienna's supreme piano virtuoso was established. And those four notes - the first bar of Steibelt's music? They became, in time, the impetus that drives the Eroica Symphony.

    • @JT29501
      @JT29501 Před 9 lety +22

      What is your source for that? I'm incredibly interested if they are seriously saying the incident helped in the formation of the first theme of the Eroica symphony..
      Anyway, what I was saying, was that the video was ridiculous, and your source backs up that Steibelt would of given him a much better contest than the pathetic variation of Mozarts theme used in this video. There is no way anyone would think of Steibelt as a virtuoso in the first place if that was all he could do..

    • @fcordobaot
      @fcordobaot Před 8 lety +21

      +James Tucker The source is www.classicfm.com/composers/beethoven/guides/daniel-steibelt/#MppDJHyVUQxaXm1I.97

    • @wwbdwwbd
      @wwbdwwbd Před 6 lety +3

      You mean you are as prodigiously talented as Mozart? I ask because in the video, Steibelt actually played Mozart.

    • @ShootMyMonkey
      @ShootMyMonkey Před 6 lety +10

      Well, there are two things in +IMSColoradoSpring's quote that makes me find the stark difference a bit believable -- One is the fact that it says that Steibelt was apparently a sort of "formal, correct, proper" fellow, and the other is that it says that these sorts of contests would escalate over multiple back-and-forth rounds. Given that, it sounds as if it was customary to start small and build up to one's 'A' game. If Steibelt was indeed the sort of "proper" character he's made out to be, then it would have been within bounds for him to adhere to that sort of decorum and not bust out of the gates with his very best. It also fits with the style of the variations he played in the video in that much of it (save maybe the ending) was textbook Mozart, which means he was maintaining the spirit of the original composer's style rather than turning it into a Steibelt work. This is also how a lot of pianists do it these days -- i.e. trying to keep the intentions of the original composer intact...
      Beethoven, otoh, was a well-documented asshat who delighted in humiliating adversaries, so him playing levels apart from Steibelt in Round 1 with a style that is distinctly Beethoven fits his character. This much is echoed in the quote as well. That said, I do agree that whatever Steibelt laid down in his first round would have been much more virtuosic and inventive than what was shown even if it was otherwise a warm-up round for him. Beethoven being Beethoven was rather determined to just crush him in the first blow, and so the gap would still show. Chances are that Steibelt's own reaction to that wouldn't just be a sense of discouragement that he couldn't win, but also anger at Beethoven's ostensibly poor sportsmanship.
      I suspect that to get to the piece that's actually played in the video, the producers must have combined a few other details from Beethoven's life. There's the tale of Mozart's meeting with a then teenage Beethoven, in which Mozart declared after hearing him improvise on top of a few of his own pieces declared that Beethoven would be someone to watch out for (a tale which might well be apocryphal)... The other is the fact that Beethoven did actually compose a series of variations and cadenzas on Mozart's pieces over the years -- including Ein Mädchen oder Weibchen from the Magic Flute. That said, whoever wrote the Beethoven interpretation of Papageno's Aria for this video knew what he was doing. He threw in so many little key characteristics that are so well-associated with his style as well as taking advantage of the greater limits of the piano of his day. Whoever it was seems to have understood Beethoven almost as well as Dudley Moore did.
      On a separate note, it's a little saddening to see some of the responses below in which people interpreted the top post in this thread to mean things not even resembling what is said. It is a bit of a sign of failure of education that people's reading comprehension and capacity to ingest the written word in the context of the referenced video is so criminally poor. I weep for the future of humanity.

  • @antoniomaglione4101
    @antoniomaglione4101 Před 3 lety +17

    Beside personal or petty competitions. Ludwig Van Beethoven was a genius in the most pure meaning of the word, the like of which we may see born once every millennia.
    My utmost respects for the great Maestro Ludwig Van Beethoven and all his timeless, divine music and compositions. The power of his music do grab the soul of every listener - like few others - to this day.
    His heritage will go on forever, because of the transformative power of most of his works...

  • @verchip8
    @verchip8 Před 3 lety +9

    I didn't go through all 1800 comments, but it seems like I'm the only one here who's impressed by the pianist who acted as Beethoven. He definitely deserves some recognition!

  • @PaPa-kr5yt
    @PaPa-kr5yt Před 6 lety +124

    2:36-2:44 He throws the score. Look at Beethoven's swag.

  • @basoudegriep3955
    @basoudegriep3955 Před 5 lety +129

    Frédéric, Old friend. I will slaughter your Impromptu's with my Sonata's and Concerto's.

    • @wesshufelt9148
      @wesshufelt9148 Před 5 lety +2

      Beethoven I thought you dieda

    • @AJSoundbites
      @AJSoundbites Před 4 lety +1

      Sire Ludwig Van Beethoven
      Could you listen to my music and tell me if I have done justice to being a Beethoven fan?

    • @Pakkens_Backyard
      @Pakkens_Backyard Před 4 lety +1

      I don't know if you should be using that account name if Fantaisie-Impromptu is all you know from Chopin.

    • @nikhil518
      @nikhil518 Před 4 lety +2

      Liszt be like : let me introduce my etudes

    • @ruchirrawat8804
      @ruchirrawat8804 Před 4 lety +2

      I'd say you should listen to my winter wind etude

  • @thomasworden4139
    @thomasworden4139 Před 4 lety +7

    The hollowness of genius; you can be the most talented composer in Vienna one day, yesterday’s news the next. Love the little story which accompanies this excellent music.

  • @night.2257
    @night.2257 Před 2 lety +5

    ’the rest is just the same, isn’t it ?’

  • @feliperamedeiros
    @feliperamedeiros Před 6 lety +459

    Beethoven face look like a manly MJ

  • @elliotwoo6127
    @elliotwoo6127 Před 7 lety +71

    Steibelt's face when Beethoven reveals how good he is... THE FACE OF DEFEAT

  • @michelec9342
    @michelec9342 Před rokem +9

    Steibelt ran home to say: ”Grazie Signore”

  • @chaseroberts3111
    @chaseroberts3111 Před 3 lety +85

    nobody beats Beethoven...even Mozart was impressed

    • @leostawicki7283
      @leostawicki7283 Před 2 lety +22

      Mozar dismissed Beethovan when he met with him.....Until Ludvig begged to show him how he improvised...The Mozart was impressed, ans said "The world will hear of this young man"

    • @chri2453
      @chri2453 Před rokem

      I thought they never met each other?

    • @chaseroberts3111
      @chaseroberts3111 Před rokem +11

      @@chri2453 actually they meet once in Viena in 1787, Beethoven was 16 and Mozart 30

    • @m1co294
      @m1co294 Před rokem +13

      @@leostawicki7283 "Watch out for that boy. One day he will give the world something to talk about"
      Pretty wholesome honestly, especially since when they met Mozart was ill and only 5 years away from his death.

    • @canman5060
      @canman5060 Před rokem +4

      @@chri2453 Mozart heard the 16 year old Beethoven played once and whispered behind to others by saying that this young person will make a big noise in the world some day.

  • @ethanmendoza5216
    @ethanmendoza5216 Před 7 lety +612

    The actor for steibelt looks more like Beethoven than the actual actor for Beethoven in the video

    • @3798penisholder
      @3798penisholder Před 6 lety +32

      TreeBark Skin yeah the castimg is weird lol

    • @fwwdadwdwafefhawedweddewaw6711
      @fwwdadwdwafefhawedweddewaw6711 Před 6 lety +19

      i know right? i was actually confused when the guy said "BEETHOVEN!"

    • @Nikolai_The_Crazed
      @Nikolai_The_Crazed Před 6 lety +56

      The actor for Beethoven looks like Beethoven in his later years. Steibelt looks like a young Beethoven. So it’s basically Beethoven with and without hearing.

    • @Maximilian0011
      @Maximilian0011 Před 5 lety +1

      Hellywierd always lies

    • @korbilicious
      @korbilicious Před 4 lety +7

      @@Nikolai_The_Crazed So basically Beethoven broke time and space....

  • @BlueMorningStar
    @BlueMorningStar Před 5 lety +58

    You know the bit I really like about this is how right around 3:40 the music starts to take on a bit of a change. Before it was an incredibly impressive improvisation, but it's nothing too out there for the classical period, nothing that you'd be surprised to hear in a piece by Mozart for example. As Beethoven really gets into it however, you can hear something starting to happen. The chords are coming at you so fast and the changes in dynamics so daring, the music is actually starting to take on just a touch of a violent, discordant quality. The guests go from cheering the virtuoso Beethoven to being a bit freaked out, not quite sure what to make of these fierce, volatile new sounds coming out of the piano. The little old pianoforte itself sounds like it's about to collapse under the force of what it's being made to produce.
    What I really love about this is it shows how the young Beethoven is already starting to discover the big, bold romantic sound that will define his middle and late work. Even better, it shows how he is arriving at that sound by stretching the logic of the classical tradition to its absolute limit, finding the discord inside those perfect classical harmonies.

    • @RichRavingYt
      @RichRavingYt Před 5 lety

      Yes I hear the change, it is when Beethoven doesn't just try to perfect the notes but rather plays with emotions.

  • @luisozuna6456
    @luisozuna6456 Před rokem +4

    2:55 love that taunting face he makes “Oh, look at me, I play piano!”

  • @painfish208
    @painfish208 Před 3 lety +9

    The literal musical version of flipping the chess board when you’re losing.

  • @eltfell
    @eltfell Před 5 lety +174

    Was Beethoven the first to say "hold my beer"?

  • @chicocucea
    @chicocucea Před 10 lety +177

    The piece was taken from Mozart's opera The Magic Flute; the Aria of Papageno. 'Der Vogelfänger bin ich ja'

    • @ParthaDey97
      @ParthaDey97 Před 10 lety +5

      Thanks so much for that! I've been trying to figure it out, I thought it was that; aaaaaahhhhh Presque Vu! Thanks again :)

    • @ronaldanthony4
      @ronaldanthony4 Před 7 lety +5

      David Fromtheberry
      Which of the 12 variations of this Papageno's song did Beethoven played in that video?

    • @aksiiska9470
      @aksiiska9470 Před 5 lety +1

      is there a replay of the scene as told in the description "played upside down"?

    • @AdrianHernandez-um8ti
      @AdrianHernandez-um8ti Před 5 lety +2

      You are a true music lover friend Beethoven killed it in this scene though.but it's just a movie

    • @sparkstep7444
      @sparkstep7444 Před 3 lety +1

      no it's darude - sandstorm

  • @aswomebro2601
    @aswomebro2601 Před 3 lety +9

    1:59 that was beethoven saying "dont look at me"

  • @dreamsdreams9493
    @dreamsdreams9493 Před 2 lety +9

    As far as I have read, in that time, Hummel was Europe's greatest piano virtuso, and Beethoven was the THE improviser. His improvising skills were unmatched.

  • @TheShadowPerson.
    @TheShadowPerson. Před 8 lety +79

    Just noticed, Beethoven tosses the music on the ground.

    • @chopin65
      @chopin65 Před 6 lety +3

      The Shadow Person Yeah.

    • @56conn6h
      @56conn6h Před 6 lety +4

      Mic drop of the day?

  • @galek75
    @galek75 Před 9 lety +109

    rest in pizza steibelt

    • @deedeekreep9139
      @deedeekreep9139 Před 5 lety +4

      darwinianpickles rest in pepperoni

    • @Maximilian0011
      @Maximilian0011 Před 5 lety +2

      Nobody remembers nor care of stainbelt yet Beethoven is eternal, that says it all

    • @momentmusical9866
      @momentmusical9866 Před 4 lety +2

      @@Maximilian0011 Yeah, his melody still good tho.

  • @retztronx645
    @retztronx645 Před 2 lety +9

    Steibelt: * brags about his skill as a pianist*
    Beethoven: Y O U S H I T

  • @Nobody1x1
    @Nobody1x1 Před 4 lety +15

    They say the Moonlight Sonata's 3rd movement is supposed to give you a rough idea of Beethoven's improvisation skills. Even if it was only 50% true, it would still be absolutely insane.

  • @ysteinbildt9975
    @ysteinbildt9975 Před 8 lety +109

    Someone should make a film about Steibelt. His life seems like an adventure with both successes and failures.

  • @geoffwalker9392
    @geoffwalker9392 Před 6 lety +65

    Steibelt was a considerable virtuoso and a gifted composer - but he wasn't Beethoven. The story of the contest has, unfortunately, so tarnished his reputation that he is now regarded as a joke; he was certainly no such thing. I cannot imagine that someone renowned for his thunderous piano technique would have come up with the twee variation in this film. Beethoven won out against much stiffer competition than that!

    • @friendlyjew7278
      @friendlyjew7278 Před 5 lety +4

      I'm sure it was just done for theatrical purposes that is expected of films/or movies

    • @geoycs
      @geoycs Před rokem +1

      Geoff, I know. Films always do that. Instead of making it realistic, they make the antagonist way worse than he needs to be. Sure, Beethoven would beat him, but why make him look like a chump?

  • @nomercy9416
    @nomercy9416 Před 3 lety +44

    That was a stunning performance wasn’t it

  • @hugowilliams1988
    @hugowilliams1988 Před rokem +7

    Mozart tested Beethoven for three days. He was not impressed with Beethoven the first two days. The third day He tested Beethoven for improvisation and was very impressed and asked him to come back when he was older.

  • @oilersridersbluejays
    @oilersridersbluejays Před 6 lety +157

    Beethoven: simply the best. End of argument.

    • @jokinezenarro6699
      @jokinezenarro6699 Před 5 lety +8

      But what if he battled against Bach?

    • @thenevadadesertrat2713
      @thenevadadesertrat2713 Před 5 lety +1

      Back is actually ranked above B. in the composing area. Lots of critics rank Bach #1 above anyone else.Bach was born about 50 Km. from Handel and only a year apart.

    • @czeynerpianistproducercomp7155
      @czeynerpianistproducercomp7155 Před 5 lety

      Czerny Op.268 or any Czerny Sonate Is more Hard than any Beethoven Sonate

    • @CLASSICALFAN100
      @CLASSICALFAN100 Před 5 lety +2

      Alas, in the CZcams comments section, argument is never-ending...

    • @bobbyfischer9420
      @bobbyfischer9420 Před 5 lety +3

      @@czeynerpianistproducercomp7155 well, it's not easy to compose something difficult to play. but you can't seriosuly compare cernys musical value with beethoven...

  • @FrankVerbeek
    @FrankVerbeek Před 8 lety +264

    It's lovely, but I do think it all went much different. There were two meetings. During the first, at Count Fries', B. became annoyed that Steibelts new and elegant Quintet found more acclaim than B's Trio .
    After the performance of the Quintet, S. improvised on a theme from his own work. In this he used fierce tremolos like thunderstorms, which were something like a novelty, only possible on the newest pianos. They made the ladies faint.
    One week later, at Fries again, S. unexpectedly improvised on a theme from B's Trio of last week. It was probably well-meant, but it left B. angry and humiliated. Then it was B.'s turn. He was reluctant to enter the contest, but he came to the piano after several requests.
    While walking to the piano, in an impulse he seized the cello part of another Steibelt Quintet that had just been performed. (This can actually been seen in the clip, but nothing was done with it.) He put it upside down in front of him on the piano, played a part of the newly acquired monstruous melody (because the notes were upside down!), and started to improvise on it. This must have been a terrible offence in the face of Steibelt, and an example of bad taste, only "neutralized" by B's brilliant performance. I was not there, but I am quite sure that B. ridiculized S. even further by imitating his tremolos in a grotesque way.
    That same night Steibelt left Vienna, never to set a foot again in that beautiful city.

    • @Decrepit_Productions
      @Decrepit_Productions Před 6 lety +13

      As I remember it, not a first-hand mind you, Steibelt also specified that he was never again to be invited to any future such event that Beethoven was also scheduled to attend.

    • @lego6502
      @lego6502 Před 6 lety

      #YouCopiedThatBoiii

    • @aksiiska9470
      @aksiiska9470 Před 5 lety +2

      you seem to know very much about this! is there a replay of the scene as told in the description "played upside down"?

    • @CLASSICALFAN100
      @CLASSICALFAN100 Před 5 lety +1

      I believe the technical term is "being hopelessly outclassed"...

    • @doctorcane
      @doctorcane Před 5 lety

      @@aksiiska9470 Read Solomon's book on Beethoven. There is no scene.

  • @Andarovin
    @Andarovin Před 2 lety +6

    "when does he start?"
    To be fair, Beethoven literally may not have known that it started.

  • @canman5060
    @canman5060 Před rokem +6

    It is so sad that Beethoven cannot hear what he wrote in his later years.His last three piano sonatas op 109 110 and 111 can only sing inside his heart.

  • @irishelk3
    @irishelk3 Před 6 lety +5

    ''So when are you going to start!?'', i love that. I remember watching this a few years ago, really enjoyed it, i don't know how that guy isn't more well known, he's very talented and he has the look.

  • @reimakousei793
    @reimakousei793 Před 5 lety +32

    2:54 Beethoven was mocking him XD

  • @bugpwdrdust
    @bugpwdrdust Před 3 lety +9

    02:56 dude in the background rocking some serious shades

  • @hiera1917
    @hiera1917 Před 2 lety +9

    The look Ludwig gives Steibelt at 2:01 is just priceless

    • @Trooman20
      @Trooman20 Před 2 lety +1

      He was just like "Yeah whatchu gonna do bout it? Yeah that's what I thought bro"

    • @yeetboi4877
      @yeetboi4877 Před 6 měsíci +1

      @@Trooman20no its more like, ”im still waiting for you to start” or ”yes, start please”.

  • @Malchotheracoon
    @Malchotheracoon Před 5 lety +10

    1:28 the first roast ever

  • @gmnotyet
    @gmnotyet Před 10 lety +144

    I like that busty Beethoven fan. I'm sure Ludwig did, too. :-)

    • @frosty6989
      @frosty6989 Před 6 lety +2

      Guess the type of payment ;)

    • @oilersridersbluejays
      @oilersridersbluejays Před 6 lety +3

      Beethoven only had patience for pupils who were talented of either sex, or beautiful women of any degree of talent or lack thereof.

    • @fyfyi6053
      @fyfyi6053 Před 5 lety +1

      @@Maximilian0011
      What? Your comment makes no sense Bubba. He just said he likes the gorgeous actress who plays the role of a Beethoven fan in this documentary.

    • @Maximilian0011
      @Maximilian0011 Před 5 lety

      @@fyfyi6053 sorry, you are right, how silly of me... :( I will delete that comment at once, thank you :)

  • @andreycunha4479
    @andreycunha4479 Před 4 lety +8

    Beethoven: And kids, this is how i met your mother...

  • @chrisdudedurian1305
    @chrisdudedurian1305 Před 3 lety +5

    Beethoven has my gift too. Knowing how to piss someone off the most

  • @user-or2gm3xx9s
    @user-or2gm3xx9s Před 5 lety +8

    It's,here we go again,Beethoven'characteristic rhythm variations!
    It's so great!

  • @laetitia-borgia
    @laetitia-borgia Před 4 lety +47

    03:48 "hmmm...all the things he could do with those fingers...."
    😂

  • @truckoloko4833
    @truckoloko4833 Před 3 lety +19

    Beethoven: *plays piano
    Girls: IM WET ALREADY

  • @hertzair1186
    @hertzair1186 Před 3 lety +4

    The piece is a piano variation on Papagino’s aria ‘ Vogelfanger bin Ich Ja” from Mozarts ‘Magic Flute’ Opera.

  • @theholmes8308
    @theholmes8308 Před 8 lety +19

    I love the variations on Papageno's aria

  • @olil22672
    @olil22672 Před 4 lety +4

    I love how he smiles at him wile shaking his head.

  • @physicsisawesome696
    @physicsisawesome696 Před 2 lety +6

    Rap battles: exists
    Beethoven: that's cute

  • @HungarianPiano
    @HungarianPiano Před 9 měsíci +2

    The moment that steibelt realized he was screwed

  • @Nikolai_The_Crazed
    @Nikolai_The_Crazed Před 6 lety +12

    Steibelt was musically roasted by Beethoven man. I never thought that I’d hear a dis track without lyrics before, but god damn...

  • @uzeirgamazsi721
    @uzeirgamazsi721 Před 7 lety +338

    obviosly mcgregor won

  • @witherchad9174
    @witherchad9174 Před 2 lety +7

    2:44 my man yeeted steibelt's piece XD

  • @test-xe4cl
    @test-xe4cl Před 4 lety

    Always bring me to tears

  • @shaukatbhatti2554
    @shaukatbhatti2554 Před 4 lety +4

    What you are, you are by accident of birth; what I am, I am by myself. There are and will be a thousand princes; there is only one Beethoven. L.W. Beethoven.

  • @bobozeehax
    @bobozeehax Před 5 lety +40

    chopin: im the most difficult chap
    joplin: observe
    liszt: am i a joke to you?
    beethoven: you dare oppose me mortal?

  • @riri2803
    @riri2803 Před 5 měsíci +3

    Beethoven was notorious during his early years for being a monster of the piano. He's literally an all-time elite improviser (just like Mozart, Liszt, etc.) and destroyed his opponents that they literally lost the motivation to play, for weeks!!!

  • @ludwigvanbeethoven1684
    @ludwigvanbeethoven1684 Před 2 lety +1

    Remember that day like the palm of my hand

  • @brianveckranges2496
    @brianveckranges2496 Před 5 lety +3

    He makes a Rondo become a fantasia.Genius!!!

  • @jigglejogglers2606
    @jigglejogglers2606 Před 6 lety +20

    Rap Battles back in the days

    • @Maximilian0011
      @Maximilian0011 Před 5 lety +2

      sorry bad taste of comparing music to some nasty rapping of sub humans

  • @nicorex8020
    @nicorex8020 Před 4 lety +44

    Rap battles white version.

  • @kutsuki_namae_172
    @kutsuki_namae_172 Před 3 lety +3

    Everyone gangsta untill Beethoven starts improvising

  • @RamachandranS20
    @RamachandranS20 Před 6 lety +20

    They play Mozart here (Aria of Papageno), as I read from comments and another article. Would anybody know who composed the variations that Beethoven plays here? I may not be an expert, but it sounds as good as Beethoven's compositions.

    • @lonewolf604
      @lonewolf604 Před 4 lety +3

      I've been trying to look on the internet but to no avail. I can only play a little bit by ear but thats it....I've been wanting to learn in and try to show off myself lol.

  • @beatoven4577
    @beatoven4577 Před 6 lety +3

    The song Steibelt was playing is an aria by Mozart called "der vogelfänger bin ich ja". It's a great piece! How could anyone be unimpressed by it??!!

  • @michaelwirth6843
    @michaelwirth6843 Před 10 měsíci +1

    It´s so fascinating about the real geniuses, the one´s who change the way we think, listen, an so on. Beethoven truly was on of those.

  • @VeganChefRon
    @VeganChefRon Před 3 lety +13

    There's no doubt Beethoven was the greatest musician to ever live. Redefined music more than any musician in history. Greatest improve and variation skills. Greatest symphony writer. Greatest solo piano composer. Greatest piano concerto composer. Greatest string quartet composter. To name a few of his achievements.

    • @EntelSidious_gamzeylmz
      @EntelSidious_gamzeylmz Před 2 lety

      @Mar. L I definitely wouldn't agree on Mozart in that department

    • @EntelSidious_gamzeylmz
      @EntelSidious_gamzeylmz Před 2 lety

      @Mar. L Bach (keyboard yes, still), Beethoven, Hummel, Prokofiev, Rachmaninoff, Saint Saens

    • @EntelSidious_gamzeylmz
      @EntelSidious_gamzeylmz Před 2 lety

      @Mar. L why the f would I put in not piano but still if I just searched that on the internet and why the f would I say I don't agree on Mozart if I actually didn't have other composers in my mind. And I actually just typed that on the internet, surprise, these are not the first results (with the exception of lwb ofc)🤨🤨. Uhmmm these guys are nearly all romantic composers so they naturally have less pieces, cuz they actually care about their pieces being individually really different on all aspects to any other piece they have written, unlike Mozart. If I had thought of numbers I wouldn't have written romantic composers🥰 Other than that if you really want to hear an explanation here it is:
      Saint Saens, best concerto orchestration in all concerto writing in the period by far.
      Beethoven's 4th might be easily argued to be the best concerto of all time, 3 and 5 are also just incredible (five might look a bit like too exaggerated at times but the incredible parts like the octave passage make up for it).
      Prokofiev's second concerto is one of the most unique pieces of all time, that feeling isnt even captured in any other Prok pieces, other than that best PC cadenza ever. The 3rd is also amazing
      With Rach, enough has already been said about the 2nd and 3rd concertos, they are just in general incredibly well written with how the orchestra and piano interact, it just shows how more of a piano composer can write overall incredible concertos if they are decent with orchestra (look at Liszt or Chopin for counter examples lmao)
      Hummel's second concerto is basically one of the best pieces in the concerto repertoire.

    • @ulrichbauer9527
      @ulrichbauer9527 Před rokem

      er ist der einzige Mann welcher in der damaligen Musikwelt,, alles beherrschte,,

    • @mirandacliff4688
      @mirandacliff4688 Před rokem +1

      ... and Beethoven's operas are world famous, unlike that Mozart guy.
      It's like some people aren't clever enough to cope with having two or more great composers.

  • @stokesaphone
    @stokesaphone Před 6 lety +7

    I’d prob give my ability to hear to be able to witness this in person.

  • @jadielara2523
    @jadielara2523 Před 4 lety +3

    this is such a good piece of music.

  • @DanielVodenitcharov
    @DanielVodenitcharov Před 3 lety +7

    beethoven's frustrated faces whilst steilbelt was playing had me crying haha 1:44

    • @aqil12347
      @aqil12347 Před 2 lety

      beethoven is not crying he just sweating cause of hot

  • @iloveloli.
    @iloveloli. Před 10 měsíci +1

    The fact that he can't hear his playing but he's still going on