GHOST BURR SHOWDOWN: Fuji Royale vs Xeoleo

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  • čas přidán 27. 08. 2024
  • Have you ever heard of ghost burrs? Does this geometry intrigue you? Curious to hear your thoughts below!
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Komentáře • 110

  • @richardtrass
    @richardtrass Před 2 lety +16

    So awesome to meet Lance today at Only Coffee Project in Sydney. If anyone is wondering. Yes Lance is just as awesome in person as he seems in his videos. He happily chatted to a group of fans/coffee nerds for hours despite arriving in Sydney only two hours earlier. No visible jet lag or loss of energy from the man! Huge fan! Extraordinary coffee knowledge.

  • @davidschabelski2569
    @davidschabelski2569 Před 2 lety +27

    Can we get some love for Lance?! Love your content! Very intriguing to say the least!

    • @LanceHedrick
      @LanceHedrick  Před 2 lety +4

      Thank you so much! Videos have been in a major slump lately with views and interaction so I appreciate this loads!

  • @braxtonjens7839
    @braxtonjens7839 Před 2 lety +3

    Def heard of the Apex.
    Was saving up for it, but life happened.
    One day.

  • @DiegoNunes
    @DiegoNunes Před 2 lety +2

    Lance on the mission to test and compare every grinder on the planet!
    I wish you already had made this video a while back when I was convinced the Xeoleo was a great deal and got one. Never really got a good cup out of it.
    Anyways, great work! Always love how your videos have such a deep and quality content and still pretty fun.

  • @Thetache
    @Thetache Před 2 lety +3

    I have a smaller Xeoleo with 65mm ghost teeth burrs (the one James Hoffmann trashed) I quite enjoyed the coffee from my Hario switch using it. I use the internal shaker to get rid of the ultra fines. As it only cost me £65 from Amazon I am very happy with it. Obviously my palate is much less refined than yours and I tend to avoid light roasts it suits me.

  • @EphemeralTao
    @EphemeralTao Před 4 měsíci

    I've seen these ghost burr grinders used mainly as spice grinders.

  • @bairdmiltich4935
    @bairdmiltich4935 Před 2 lety +1

    Yes!!!! Absolutely love the interview with Zach's brother Seth😂! If you haven't watched the outtakes from that interview, do yourself a favor and check it out, it's hilarious!

  • @joconnell
    @joconnell Před 2 lety +1

    Also best thumbnail ever.

  • @AnthonyHuttley
    @AnthonyHuttley Před 2 lety +1

    I have owned a Fuji Royal R-220 for about 3 years now and have been loving it. I'd always wondered if the Xeoleo did the same thing, so I'm glad to hear that my extra money was well spent. Thanks for the video, Lance!

  • @mikni4069
    @mikni4069 Před 2 lety +1

    Yeah common in smaller cafés in Asia, so tried it many times, I 100% agree with the astringency.

    • @LanceHedrick
      @LanceHedrick  Před 2 lety +1

      For sure. It's funny- the bulk of the fines always spit out at the end. Perhaps one could grind like 5 grams extra and pull the dose cup away before done grinding for a better distribution haha

  • @simonkriebel9378
    @simonkriebel9378 Před 2 lety +1

    Havent seen the video yet, just left a comment for the algorithm. Let‘s stop the slump!

  • @alexblank91
    @alexblank91 Před 2 lety +1

    Commenting for the algo to hopefully boost the views on your work

  • @ajc5869
    @ajc5869 Před rokem +1

    I’ve been quite happy with my Xeoleo actually. My palate definitely isn’t as refined as some coffee people but for my Chemex and I, I like it :)

  • @JosiahAnduril
    @JosiahAnduril Před 2 lety +1

    Yep, I've ben enjoying the Fuji Royal too! If anyone wants one, I have two!

  • @VictorChavesVVBC
    @VictorChavesVVBC Před 2 lety

    Informative and entertaining as always!

  • @JoshuaViau
    @JoshuaViau Před 2 lety +2

    Thanks for doing this!
    One small correction: Fengjen (in Taiwan), from whom I bought my R-220, confirmed that it has a brushed DC motor. The speed controller you’re using is listed as compatible with either AC or DC, I believe.
    Re: taste, I don’t agree about the astringency, but I grind into that same sort of catch cup with a sieve inside that you mentioned and do a few shakes before dispensing, so maybe fines have something to do with what you noticed.
    OE’s Apex is great! I use mine less now that I have the Fuji due mostly to laziness.
    Cheers from FL.

    • @LanceHedrick
      @LanceHedrick  Před 2 lety +2

      Ah yes. I forgot the speed controller works with both ac and BRUSHED DC. I'm used to grinders either having AC or brushless DC lol
      And interesting on astringency! It is certainly there for me but to each their own!

    • @LanceHedrick
      @LanceHedrick  Před 2 lety +2

      (Should be noted I pit almost everything in reference to my ode with ssp and the bentwood)

    • @JoshuaViau
      @JoshuaViau Před 2 lety

      ​@@LanceHedrick Thanks for the replies! To follow up, do you know how old this R-220 is that you borrowed? Also, I assume you're running it with a transformer--if so, do you have the transformer plugged into the wall and the speed controller plugged in between the transformer and the grinder?

    • @zeppzepp1234
      @zeppzepp1234 Před 2 lety

      @@LanceHedrick Fuji is a famous traditional Japanese dark roast grinder. Can't expect a very clean taste for medium to light roasted coffee on it, but it's sweet and delicate when the coffee getting cooler. I often switch to comandante when brewing lighter roast though. For light roast, the Japanese Kalita grinders and Fuji with flat burr seem more popular in Asia.

    • @cjoysoy
      @cjoysoy Před rokem

      ​@@zeppzepp1234i heard the same. However i dont understand how ghost burrs arent good with light roasts, or what is the effect on light roast brews. Maybe you or @LanceHedrick can tell me 🙂

  • @HappyAccidentVideos
    @HappyAccidentVideos Před 2 lety +2

    I have a commercial bulk grinder at home (Grindmaster) and it has ghost teeth burrs. I don’t know how well you could dial it in, but it definitely goes fine enough for espresso. Enough to choke my Flair. It even had a Turkish setting. I don’t use it for espresso, as it has rather large steps, but perhaps it would work with a stepless mod. Just thought I’d mention since you said ghost burrs can’t grind fine. Definitely not these grinders, but some models can.

    • @braxtonjens7839
      @braxtonjens7839 Před rokem +1

      Wow! Another grindmaster user here!
      I have a GM ghost burr as well, and I love it for filter coffee. It gives incredible body, and the acidity is always inviting and rounded. I have never made a sharp, harsh, or bitter brew with it.
      Although it’s incredibly big and it looks ridiculous on my coffee bar.
      Mine gets very fine, and I pull shots on my la pavoni, and the shots are AMAZING.

    • @fredbloggs6080
      @fredbloggs6080 Před rokem

      @@braxtonjens7839 I started looking into the Grindrmaster 810S, which is a bit more compact I think and there is one on sale for Amazon for under $1000. However when I talked to so-called coffee experts, they all dismissed it is as being crude, too big, for commercial use, not variable enough, etc., and said I should get a modern one built for home use, which can cost a lot less for a good one but as much, also. Some of them probably want to sell you coffee grinders that they sell, but one seller on eBay who was selling the Grindmaster 810S, when I asked if it was overkill, should I should get the Breville Smart Brew, which he also sold, so he wasn't necessarily trying to upsell me. I think now my initial instincts were correct, that the Grindmaster would be the best for drip coffee. The only thing is that it seems more difficult to take apart to clean, or does not need cleaning that often inside?

  • @rpinarreta
    @rpinarreta Před 2 lety

    Found router controller to slow down the Xeoleo speed as I did made a big difference. Original RPM on the Xeoleo spins too fast with 120v input as it was designed for 100-110v feeds. Ideal speed control between 8-9 on dial. Below 8 can cause stalling.

  • @The_Catman_Dont
    @The_Catman_Dont Před 2 lety

    Whoa! Saw in another comment you took a trip to Sydney? Sweet, hopefully that means some even more awesome content coming soon, miss my flat whites from my time there!

  • @braxtonjens7839
    @braxtonjens7839 Před 2 lety +1

    Been using a Grindmaster 100 series for a while, nice brews. Picked it up for a steal. But it’s not counter friendly, so a smaller grinder is on my mind 🤔💭

  • @JMcClure81
    @JMcClure81 Před 2 lety +2

    Would love to get an apex! Great video. Learned a lot!

    • @LanceHedrick
      @LanceHedrick  Před 2 lety +1

      Thank you! Appreciate the love

    • @ogunther1
      @ogunther1 Před 2 lety +2

      I love my Apex; I would love to see a direct comparison between the Fuji & Apex. :)

    • @JMcClure81
      @JMcClure81 Před 2 lety +2

      @@ogunther1 Lance has been hoping to borrow an Apex from someone........

    • @JoshuaViau
      @JoshuaViau Před 2 lety +1

      @@ogunther1 Not to steal Lance's thunder, but I have both grinders on my counter, and both are broken in. I just haven't gotten around to comparing them on HB yet--hopefully over the summer.

    • @ogunther1
      @ogunther1 Před 2 lety +2

      @@JoshuaViau Oh nice! If you think about it, give me a shout when you do as I’d definitely be interested in what you find out. :)

  • @davidrogala7597
    @davidrogala7597 Před 2 lety

    Sup Mr. Lance! Keep up the good work man 👊🙌

  • @BBB_025
    @BBB_025 Před 2 lety

    Love the video Lance!

  • @cyberjas
    @cyberjas Před 2 lety +2

    Fuji and Kalita, can we have a test on this combo too ? They are the benchmark in Japan cafes !

  • @hgru5359
    @hgru5359 Před rokem +2

    Wondering if there is any chance of a Fuji Royal vs OE Apex comparison?

  • @ihavenospacebar231
    @ihavenospacebar231 Před 2 lety

    I have a Curtis sitting behind my roaster with burrs like this, used it back in the day before I made a bunnzilla for batch grinding.

    • @LanceHedrick
      @LanceHedrick  Před 2 lety

      Oh nice! I just got in a Bunn for a fun video...

    • @LanceHedrick
      @LanceHedrick  Před 2 lety

      Is your bunnzilla with Lab sweets?

    • @ihavenospacebar231
      @ihavenospacebar231 Před 2 lety

      @@LanceHedrick sadly no, just regular 804. I’m not going to be using it anymore, selling the burrs if you want 🤣🤣

  • @robertbrandt884
    @robertbrandt884 Před 2 lety

    Awesome video it was great to hear some more info about ghost burrs. I am currently thinking about getting a dedicated flat burr grinder for my drip/pour over setup. Ode, the Orphan Apex and the vario are currently in the running. (Vario just adds in an availability for espresso which isn’t a bad thing)

  • @fredbloggs6080
    @fredbloggs6080 Před rokem

    I like to see review of the new Timemore Sculpture 078 with 78 mm newly designed ghost burrs, variable speed control, etc. Although I think it is only available in 220 V currently.

  • @MrCakers
    @MrCakers Před 2 lety +1

    0:45 "to grind other things"

  • @nmasanobu
    @nmasanobu Před rokem

    Thank you very much for a rare and good review. This grinder is praised as the absolute best in Japan but I was not sure about that because sometimes coffee ground by roastery tastes much better than the one ground by this. I understand why and will explorer better one.

  • @ogunther1
    @ogunther1 Před 2 lety +3

    Another great video, Lance! Any chance to see a comparison between the Apex and the Fuji?
    I love my Apex but I’m curious if the slower rpm and different ghost burrs produce a better cup than the Fuji?
    Also the Apex seems to be know as high retention grinder (I regularly lose 1-2g trying to get 15g out); does the Fuji suffer from the same issue?

    • @LanceHedrick
      @LanceHedrick  Před 2 lety +2

      I haven't been able to locate one or I would!

    • @kemptondoes346
      @kemptondoes346 Před 7 měsíci

      @@LanceHedrick ...I also want some Lance mojo on an Apex.

  • @Wrona7771
    @Wrona7771 Před 2 lety

    Hi, which machine is better. 1- Delonghi La Specialista Arte Espresso. 2 - BREVILLE VCF153 Barista Max. 3 DELONGHI Dedica EC685M + Sage The Dose Control Pro Coffee Grinder Stainless. Thanks for any responses

  • @NickMayers-rj9zn
    @NickMayers-rj9zn Před 2 lety +1

    I wonder why the fuji creates better cups, maybe it has to do with the burrs being cast? probably is the same reason why the lab sweet burrs are so good, but as of rn we don't have much clue as to why cast burrs make sweeter cups.
    My guess is the cast burrs create highly soluble fines to the point where they are almost disolved in the resulting liquid, but thats just a shot in the dark.

    • @LanceHedrick
      @LanceHedrick  Před 2 lety +1

      I'm not sure. I would say some does have to do with the exact geometry. The spiked tops on the xeoleo seems a bit sus

    • @riskyb250
      @riskyb250 Před 2 lety

      @@LanceHedrick file the tops down and see what happens

    • @fredbloggs6080
      @fredbloggs6080 Před rokem

      @@LanceHedrick Maybe the cast iron has a rougher texture and grips the beans better, acts more like a mortar and pestle.

  • @Im_using_your_moms_log_in

    I would have liked to see extraction info on french press, as I think of ghost burrs as being best for coarse grind

  • @MarcesAurelius
    @MarcesAurelius Před 2 lety

    extraction difference - perhaps different particle surface texture? Kruve sieve eval would be interesting

    • @LanceHedrick
      @LanceHedrick  Před 2 lety +1

      Yeah I considered it but phew. That's a lot of work to do adequate testing. And sifting only removes portions.

  • @cheekster777
    @cheekster777 Před 2 lety

    Closing in on 90k subscribers! 👀

  • @mpbrinda
    @mpbrinda Před 2 lety +1

    1393 rpm looks like about 60 rpm due to the fps video speed!

  • @valentinkuznecov6256
    @valentinkuznecov6256 Před 10 měsíci

    I wonder how do those ghost burrs compair to 078 turbo burrs?

  • @mrbbm2000
    @mrbbm2000 Před 2 lety

    I haven’t heard of Fuji Royals rated for outside Japan which is 100V 60Hz AC. Is yours? If not, it probably is spinning at higher RPM. It’s just a motor so probably not such a big deal, but using AC voltage adjuster scares me, and I also wonder if it’s really producing a stable voltage output for consistent RPM. Anyway, I would also add that the selling point of Fuji Royal is that it’s commercial grade, and its build quality and longevity is why the same model is still in production today. Great grinder imho.

    • @wibowothamrin3276
      @wibowothamrin3276 Před 2 lety

      They sold 110 volt version in Taiwan only market.
      And, China had a 220 volt version (got mine there). Not sure if they RPM is the same though i imagine it should be.

  • @florisb1
    @florisb1 Před rokem

    I am wondering how a Xeoleo cup with rpm's reduced actually is. Or whether I still would be better off with a good hand grinder?

  • @stnvs
    @stnvs Před 2 lety

    I think you can't buy a new cast ghost burrs R-220 now, Fuji Royal change to use stainless steel machined burrs after 2018 or 2019 I guess. Some people say the machined version has a cleaner profile, but I am not sure about that.

    • @fredbloggs6080
      @fredbloggs6080 Před rokem

      I just saw they also now have the cut type burrs as an option, maybe that's what you're thinking of.

  • @TheUn4givN
    @TheUn4givN Před 2 lety

    Will this router speed controller will work on my Ceado E37SD? is it AC Motor? if so, from a base of 1150 RPM how much can I get it down?

  • @spike443
    @spike443 Před 2 lety

    I punched out at 1:41. Hahahaha!

  • @RamySLR
    @RamySLR Před 2 lety

    Generally, is there a frequency to adjust burrs on a grinder? Or once every time we change them?

    • @LanceHedrick
      @LanceHedrick  Před 2 lety

      When you say adjust, you mean align or calibrate?

    • @RamySLR
      @RamySLR Před 2 lety

      @@LanceHedrick I meant align to get a consistent grind. Speaking of flat burrs

  • @danielbodin9388
    @danielbodin9388 Před 2 lety

    Crazy Question - could you put the 80mm SSP burrs in the Xeoleo to make espresso?? Too high RPM? Could use a speed controller? Would love to see it tested if it could work. Thanks!

    • @LanceHedrick
      @LanceHedrick  Před 2 lety +1

      They don't fit. This is actually 75mm. And way too thin so the construction can't handle it. You best believe that was my first thought lol

  • @mothmansuperfan7513
    @mothmansuperfan7513 Před 2 lety

    Would you be able to put Fuji burrs on the Xeoleo for an improvement for the less expensive machine?

    • @LanceHedrick
      @LanceHedrick  Před 2 lety

      I doubt it as the fuji burrs are about 1.4mm bigger or so. I'll need to check but currently flying to Australia lol

  • @angelaunruh9744
    @angelaunruh9744 Před 2 lety

    How are you able to tell percentage wise if one coffee had more extraction than the other?

    • @LanceHedrick
      @LanceHedrick  Před 2 lety +2

      Using a refractometer! I go over this way of measuring in detail pn my introduction to pourover video!

  • @rpinarreta
    @rpinarreta Před 2 lety

    Are the burrs interchangeable?

  • @DavidNolet83
    @DavidNolet83 Před 2 lety

    What's the sifter you showed at the end? Any link?
    Thanks!

  • @m_cabral
    @m_cabral Před 2 lety

    Do the Fuji burs fit on the Xeoleo?

  • @matthewpiva2826
    @matthewpiva2826 Před 2 lety

    YEET!

  • @billyruben6540
    @billyruben6540 Před 2 lety

    Small rant incoming: shopping for a grinder is a terribly frustrating experience. Unless you're lucky enough to live near a distributor with a store front, there is no meaningful way to compare products. And if you're looking at one of the trendy products that ships direct? Forget about it. Are there any coffee conventions a consumer can go to to taste results from a number of grinders side by side?

    • @fredbloggs6080
      @fredbloggs6080 Před rokem

      A similar problem started over 20 years ago in shopping for stereo hi-fi equipment--fewer and fewer places where you could audition the equipment.

  • @benjaminbutton3476
    @benjaminbutton3476 Před 2 lety +1

    Look like SSPs are still flat burr kings

  • @frewert1969
    @frewert1969 Před 2 lety

    Can you do a dimmer switch mod to move the rpm control internal?

    • @LanceHedrick
      @LanceHedrick  Před 2 lety

      Yes! I've done it on a grinder (in my budget grinder showdown). Just be careful and have it unplugged, etc

  • @ritchakaritch
    @ritchakaritch Před 2 lety

    aaargh my eyes! again!
    Did you test the grinder in the lowest speed?

    • @LanceHedrick
      @LanceHedrick  Před 2 lety +1

      Yeah! They both tasted better but the advantage was still largely on fuji

    • @ritchakaritch
      @ritchakaritch Před 2 lety +1

      @@LanceHedrick this is so strange, I wonder if is because the geometry or because the roughness of the cast iron, the only reason that I can think of is because more fine are present in the Fuji
      Btw for a cast iron burrs did you still rdt the beans?

  • @joshshirtcliffe
    @joshshirtcliffe Před 2 lety

    🎉

  • @crupez5
    @crupez5 Před 2 lety

    yeet!

  • @rikaze
    @rikaze Před 2 lety

    If I'm not mistaken, both the xeoleo and Fuji, both use 60mm burrs? Would buying just the Fuji's ghost burrs and placing it in the xeoleo improve it? And I guess to that end, could you just install casted ghost burrs into any of the other 60mm budget grinders (e.g. the Akira koki) yield similar results?

    • @LanceHedrick
      @LanceHedrick  Před 2 lety +1

      No these use 75mm or so burrs. I measure them in the video somewhere. Not the same as the xeoleo flat burr grinders.

  • @cheekster777
    @cheekster777 Před 2 lety

    Yo!

  • @Ramenscooter
    @Ramenscooter Před 2 lety

    Bombdiggity

  • @tommihommi1
    @tommihommi1 Před 2 lety

    To avoid astringency, just buy fancier coffee that's not astringent 🙃

    • @LanceHedrick
      @LanceHedrick  Před 2 lety +1

      Lol good one. I wish that were the case