On Consciousness, Morality, Effective Altruism & Myth with Yuval Noah Harari and Max Tegmark
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- čas přidán 8. 08. 2024
- Neither Yuval Noah Harari nor Max Tegmark need much in the way of introduction. Both are avant-garde thinkers at the forefront of 21st century discourse around science, technology, society and humanity’s future. This conversation represents a rare opportunity for two intellectual leaders to apply their combined expertise - in physics, artificial intelligence, history, philosophy and anthropology - to some of the most profound issues of our time. Max and Yuval bring their own macroscopic perspectives to this discussion of both cosmological and human history, exploring questions of consciousness, ethics, effective altruism, artificial intelligence, human extinction, emerging technologies and the role of myths and stories in fostering societal collaboration and meaning. We hope that you’ll join the Future of Life Institute Podcast for our final conversation of 2019, as we look toward the future and the possibilities it holds for all of us.
Topics discussed include:
-Max and Yuval’s views and intuitions about consciousness
-How they ground and think about morality
-Effective altruism and its cause areas of global health/poverty, animal suffering, and existential risk
-The function of myths and stories in human society
-How emerging science, technology, and global paradigms challenge the foundations of many of our stories
-Technological risks of the 21st century
You can find the page and transcript for this podcast here: futureoflife.org/2019/12/31/o...
Timestamps:
0:00 Intro
3:14 Grounding morality and the need for a science of consciousness
11:45 The effective altruism community and it's main cause areas
13:05 Global health
14:44 Animal suffering and factory farming
17:38 Existential risk and the ethics of the long-term future
23:07 Nuclear war as a neglected global risk
24:45 On the risks of near-term AI and of artificial general intelligence and superintelligence
28:37 On creating new stories for the challenges of the 21st century
32:33 The risks of big data and AI enabled human hacking and monitoring
47:40 What does it mean to be human and what should we want to want?
52:29 On positive global visions for the future
59:29 Goodbyes and appreciations
01:00:20 Outro and supporting the Future of Life Institute Podcast
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I really like the idea these two successful and rich men care so much about others
Pinched from the net: "People used to love people and use things, now they love things and use people"
A very meaningful discussion indeed about the real and root problems (that cause all other problems) we are facing today. Such things must surely bring a revolution.
Timestamps:
0:00 Intro
3:14 Grounding morality and the need for a science of consciousness
11:45 The effective altruism community and it's main cause areas
13:05 Global health
14:44 Animal suffering and factory farming
17:38 Existential risk and the ethics of the long-term future
23:07 Nuclear war as a neglected global risk
24:45 On the risks of near-term AI and of artificial general intelligence and superintelligence
28:37 On creating new stories for the challenges of the 21st century
32:33 The risks of big data and AI enabled human hacking and monitoring
47:40 What does it mean to be human and what should we want to want?
52:29 On positive global visions for the future
59:29 Goodbyes and appreciations
01:00:20 Outro and supporting the Future of Life Institute Podcast
Great talk, I'd love to hear you guys again. A trio with Yuval, Max and Sam Harris on a stage would be awesome
Greatful for raising the ethical question of animal suffering, we must speak for the ones who can not
Glad to hear you say that lucy. Does your compassion extend to babies in a womb heading for a Planned Parenthood clinic?
@@rapturebound197 i m glad u glad... r u vegan?
@@rapturebound197 lol glad again u like ur veggies... at least u don t speak about their suffering.. u r at a good point.. insist honey, mi raccomando!!
Eat a burger read some scripture, forget the era we leave
@M T complotist?
first notification ive ever had for this channel yay! thanks!
Do we really know for certainty that plants do not have consciousness: but in a way we don’t yet understand?
Good thing to wonder about
Part of the problem is that life must feed on life in one form or another to survive. So issue is very complex.
Yes!!!
How is it a problem? It's simply reality.
Very important discussion that should be taken in consideration by society at large
Amazing always wonderful experience listening to YNH.🌍❤
Sir yuval noah, I am a student and I have an unpublished research paper of my own that uses the language of simple mathematics to explain the philosophy of consciousness, and possible reallities other than just matter and energy. I would like to send it to you/anyone who wants it.
have you published it yet? I'm writing a thesis about Consciousness and would like to read it:)
Have u published it?Would love to read it
yay something to listen to tomorrow on the road :)
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Brilliant conversation
Yuval Harari mentions that there's no philosophy centered around the story of a god-like power that knows you better than yourself and may be malevolent, but that immediately made me think of the devil. In some sense that made me laugh because it was sorta like saying the devil is coming in 2050! But more seriously it would be cool to try and see if any of those old religious analyses apply for his idea of "human hacking."
Better stories can only emerge in nonviolent competition with a plurality of stories. We should be anticipating an economic order that facilitates prosocial evolution of the myths that orient us.
@M T Absolutely might makes right. Up against a stable transnational economic order, sovereign nation states don't stand a chance. An economic order is not stable unless it facilitates the creation and innovation of social capital in addition to material capital.
Listening to 2 of my minds conversing on a sunny Sunday morning, and I thought I would never go to church again 🤗
6:45 Perhaps the term 'conscious experience' should be used to make this differentiation. Because consciousness means different things to different folks.
22:10 Solid point.
Thanks!
Yes, it is a good idea for humans to eventually know themselves. Cognitive science can play a huge role in the XXI century.
Good, helpful discussion , just one point about eating prof.Harari usually mentions , people harm themselves by eating unhealthy ,rather than too much ! If all refuse to buy junk foods and unhealthy meats , market have no choice except changing their way for better, healthier one.
There is some more serious study of food and nutrition: Dr. William Li doing more serious research on eating for health: his book Eating to Beat Disease holds promise for further development of getting to real understanding of nutrition and health.
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It doesn't seem that crazy to think that "Consciousness" is a state of Bio-Chemistry, not necessarily "Information Processing". When you feel pain from a muscle cramping, it's the whole bio chemical state of that muscle, nerves on up to your brain that you feel. It isn't clear what muscle cramp pain would be like in an A.I. since it doesn't actually have a bio-chemical reaction in it's muscle cramping up. I think Artificial Biology will be conscious way before pure information processing will.
Is it truly Artificial Intelligence or is it Artificial Computation? Can that distinction offer any insight into the confusion about Intelligence and Consciousness?
There are two views about consciousness. Mainstream science says that quantum fields are fundamental; and the rest is derived from it. Consciousness is an emergent property of biochemical reactions which are going on inside the brain of a human being. On the other hand, consciousness is fundamental and the rest is derived from it. Which one is correct? I don't know.
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So when my roomba bumps into the wall is it in pain?
The most important podcast you will listen to. Clarity.
Mr Harari He sits and laughed
Revelation 13:16-18: "And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six."
Brilliant. I think Max is amazing but I think his excitement at the possibilities of AI prevent him from having as objective a view as Yuval on the implications to society and risks of AGI.
I love Max but I agree to some extent, I think he has so much experience in mathematical physics that it biases his perspective a bit. That said he isn't religious about it so it's welcome
Regarding the horrendous suffering of factory farmed animals….there is no excuse that would justify causing pain and suffering of conscious beings. If one must eat meat, it is better to only consume grass fed free range animals raised with the least amount of suffering except for the journey to slaughter. I have a difficult time justifying this as well. I consume humanely raised animals. I am giving this careful thought in the sense that if the animal were raised by me, I could never kill it!, much less consume it! So yes, I have a moral dilemma here. I should not be eating meat.
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My consciousness wants nonlethal ways to end conflict,dead men tell no tales..
I dont think feelings can be consciousness.If we are considered just "chemical algorithms" then feelings are just indexes (chemical surges which execute themselves in terms of feelings..similar to a robot seducing an index ..say its motor is stuck and then executing it by increasing the torque on a motor to get unstuck).Theoretically we can just as well build chemical algorithm based computers.That wont make them have consciousness.Consciousness is being self aware
Max seems more capable of applying his knowledge into real life. But Yuval at least also tries to a convenient degree.
damn
...and YNH comments about meditation and blissful experiences seem surprisingly facile and naive, certainly indicating that he is completely 'missing the point'. The comment at around 51:30 that seems to imply that we can be distracted from developing insights into ourselves by looking 'out there' for something 'really, really special' also indicates a misapprehension about what practicing to access deep meditative states is really about?
All life is In a symbiotic relationship with something else ALIVE... Where does tech fit in there? Where do we stick them on the pyramid of life? The very top? No. Nuh uhhhh...
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"non organic consciousness"..... Ok. 😩😂
Alpha Go have quasi consciousness, it didn't create any ethical problems.
There's still slaves, a lot. ECSPECIALLY getting them rare minerals for all these electronics 😁 ask a leading question. I dare you.
💀ray kurzweil💀 devil