GAME SINS | Everything Wrong With Final Fantasy VII: Rebirth
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If it takes this much effort to save Aerith consider me on team Sephiroth. Final Fantasy VII: Rebirth and Square Enix are convinced this one moment in game history was so important that it required hundreds of hours and three games to let you right the wrong in some ill defined way. They should rip off another idea from Chono Cross. That game offed the main character and brought him back in under an hour.
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Oh man, Dart literally taking an over hour long detour just to not date Red was the purest form of comedy.
The lore drop on the Red date has some merit to it though.
I did too...but my bond with red was too strong lmao
I did the exact same thing LMFAO
We was laughing when that happened on stream that ultimate rejection 😂 😭
@@Zombifi3rthat lore drop from red was worth it enough in my first play through.
I noticed just last night that during the Red's trial quest, a good chunk of it is making you find and collect little totems to place on altars... It's a LITERAL fetch quest while playing as the dog. 🤣🤣🤣
1. They walked to the Nibbelheim reactor instead of taking a helicopter, because they were dispatched to eliminate fiends, and to investigate. They came, because Nibbelheim complained to Shinra about fiends.
2. Zack's parents wouldn't have recognized the buster sword, because Zack was later gifted it by Angeal.
4. It's heavily implied that Hojo sent Sephiroth to Nibelheim specifically in hopes he'd discover the secrets, because Hojo wanted to see how Sephiroth would react. Man's an absolute psychopath, he cares about nothing except getting an interesting result from his experiments.
3. When the party enters the Gold Saucer in Chapter 12, there is side dialogue mentioning a song writing contest.
5. Yuffie does bring up making clones of Cloud because it'd make them unstoppable. Cloud refuses, and Yuffie comments on how boring and dull having multiple broody guys would be. To your point, she can at least clone herself one time in combat, and it's absurdly broken.
6. The Zack that arrives in Midgar with Cloud after the events of the Sector 7 Plate falling and the Zack that shows up at Aerith's church in the InterMission DLC are not the same Zack.
@@OhHeyMarc And Yuffie has an attack called Doppelganger that kinda does the same thing.
Funny because there are characters who knew who Zack and cloud were and didn't said peep, Cisnei, the Turks...U know
@@jeremyseaton3314 Yes, that is what I was referring to.
Muiltiversing feels like a writer's crutch now.
It’s a sign of lazy writing. They would rather break the canon lore than do the work of writing within it.
Nobody wants the compilation trash or a multiverse nonsense. We asked for a remake of FF7, not the Kingdom Hearts version of FF7.
@kjh4496 It's a reimagining of the original game, so technically it is the canon lore.
Also, there is no multiverse. My understanding is that all of that stuff happens within the lifestream somehow.
@@kjh4496nor did we ask for a yakuza game. lol
@@HorusDeathtouch so its like a multiverse but not a multiverse? how convenient!
You should work for the marketing department of square enix or become a politician for the Democrats!
A multiverse is the writing equivalent of playing a video game in "sandbox" mode: the author has unlimited power to spawn in/spawn out whatever they feel like at any time and any place with no warning and no cost or consequences. It's literally a dream-come-true for any writer who feels like they've been written into an corner and need a way out. Unfortunately, that is precisely the reason why us audiences hate the multiverse trope: if there are no rules dictating what is or is not possible in a story; if the writer can just change anything and everything they feel like with no warning, why should we care what happens? How are we supposed to believe that anything is at stake when everything is arbitrary?
In a world with Chadley, I like to think that Cait Sith is somewhat autonomous but Reeve can just log into Cait Sith whenever he wants
I think (if I remember correctly) Reeve is actually a descendant of a people that could breathe life into inanimate objects. I forgot the term was called thoufh
@@AlphaWolf567 Looks like they are called "Inspires" per the Final Fantasy Wiki
@@jasonsmith2759 yeah!! That’s the name!
I’m surprised he didn’t sin the four men who had Sephiroth at gunpoint and none of them shoot while he very slowly slices at each one then stands for dramatic effect
That was the "suicide by Sephiroth" sin. I can buy them being too scared to shoot, but maybe at least have *one* of them try. It could have communicated he's faster than a bullet.
Awful scene and Who told Squnix that the whole slow walking slow crawling thing is an effective video game addition. This game did so many thinsg that simply pissed me off.
@@Joseph-nx5gv the slow walking rooftop scene in Kalm, or those stupid mako vacuum sections
@@Joseph-nx5gv It's tolerable the first time through, but I was bored going through it in NG+. If they have contribute nothing to gameplay, those segments should be skippable.
The real story (I believe) Cloud was inside his moms house when Sephiroth was running amok and kills his mom in front of him before throwing Cloud outside (you hear his mom's voice but don't see her talking.) Sephiroth taunts Cloud in Remake by saying the same words Cloud's mom says so Cloud and Sephiroth are present for it. This, Zack and Aerith are a pattern of Cloud erasing memories of people dying in front of him.
Cloud limping around is him coming up with a crappy excuse for why it took so long to get back to town. It could have been handled better.
I think if all 3 parts were already out, people would be more willing to roll with the confusion, but waiting 3 more years for answers is rough.
You can find Elena grumbling about how she was punished for nearly hitting Aerith with the grenade.
1:05:00 I was so pissed when I opened the door and it was Red 13. I actually reloaded to do more side quests, but I changed my mind and just went on a date with the dog.
its actually really difficult to have red as a date haha
I love how this sins video actually gets the biggest problem Remake and Rebirth have....the purposely convoluting of plot just to keep people expeting but actually making people nopping out of the entire story telling because of it. Though this is a trend I have noticed on Japanese media, that is manga, light novels and anime, where stories add confusing or convoluted things instead of simplifing them just to keep people expecting an answer that was not as convoluted as the setting. The western equivalent of this trend is JJ Abrahams's "Mystery box" approach that was used in Alias, Lost and movies like Super 8, Star Trek, Star Trek into Darkness, Star Trek Beyond and Star Wars The Force Awakens to name some, where the writter sets up a mystery to be revealed but as the story progresses, part of the mystery is revealed but another mystery is placed and it goes on and on and on and both the writter and the audience find the truth behind the mysteries at the same time. Basically, is a box that has a box that inside has another box and you have to keep opening them until you find what was inside all of them at the end. In theory it seems ok, but it has been proved to be rather convoluted and doesn't seem to work very well on works that require several chapters or parts, like the Retrilogy, since they are very good for creating a hook but fail miserably to actually answer things or the payback of it is very anticlimatic that makes the narrative look stupid. I also love how with Rebirth, Square-Enix have basically made the best FF8 Remake. Is as if Nojima actually wanted to make a Remake of FF8 and SE told him "No, you will make FF7 Remake into three parts", and he said "Oh! Really? Now watch me as I put all I planned for my Ultimecia's master remake plan into your FF7 cash grab remake and make Sephiroth an Ultimecia wannabe".
When i first click on the vid i thought it was going to be nit picky BS but i was happy to see that their were actual worth while criticisms about the games ridiculois narrative
the "Mystery Box Storytelling" approach is truly terrible with "Named non-self insert characters" since it would only work with blank-slate character-driven stories A.K.A create your own RPG Hero Stories with multiple different endings.
I'd say Japanese writers are actually worse about the mystery box gimmick, since they've always used that as an expectation for Japanese players to consume every single piece of spinoff merchandising.
You mean how every modern shonen manga overcomplicates it's power system in a desperate attempt to make it different from older shonen titles? I almost dropped JJK during the culling games because of it. I think you're right, they're complicating things for no reason
You have no idea what the third part will do with the story, and you start judging already? How do you know it's a multiverse type of deal? I find that Asian writers are actually quite good at making their stories as philosophically stimulating as possible without losing the plot. Western literature is usually lackluster in that department -- it's too simple. And may I ask you how they are "convoluting the story for no reason" in your opinion? I see it like this:
Rebirth challenges our expectations. By altering Aerith's fate, the developers keep us guessing. We’re no longer on familiar ground, and that uncertainty is exhilarating. I don't know how Dartigan could interpret it like he did, but the impact of her death very much remains. Furthermore, it’s now layered with additional questions. How will her presence affect the unfolding events? What sacrifices will Cloud make to protect her? And maybe she will die an even more painful death later on once we've built a stronger connection to the character. You never know. Please use that imagination...
Additionally, Aerith’s continued existence allows for further, more detailed character development. We witness her resilience, adaptability, and newfound strength. Her laughter, tears, and anger become even more significant because she’s no longer a passive victim. Isn't that a good thing? I feel like her character wasn't developed enough in the original game.
And about Cloud’s more emphasized psychosis, which many people found convoluting; it provides a lens through which the writers build more anticipation and mystery around his fractured memories and identity. As the players, we are supposed to empathize with his struggle to reconcile past and present, which is supposed to make the story more enjoyable and interesting to follow.
Oh and there's also the commercial side. You should realize that controversy sparks conversation. Fans debate theories, analyze clues, and speculate about the game’s outcome. This engagement keeps the community alive and invested. The new story changes make us theorize, explore hidden meanings, share our interpretations etc. (but apparently most Western gamers are incapable of metacognition, which would enable deeper analysis of the story). Isn’t all that theorizing and guessing what makes gaming memorable?
I mean, c'mon, stories can be multi-layered and paint a picture of a multiverse without actually being about such a shallow concept. Especially a story like this, which has so much potential for plot twists due to Cloud's psychosis and the philosophically and symbolically interesting _lifestream_ . FFVII: R maintains the theme of loss but adds a layer of hope, for example. It's not rocket science.
By now I think Sephiroth wants to rule the multiverse only so he could destroy the world where he sells noodles.
Where did this fox eared noodle Sephy come from anyway? 😂 Hilarious.
Aerith was writing the song in the ghost hotel lobby just before you go up to sleep before the second date. There's a cutscene and I don't think it's missable.
its not, ur right.
19:41 "So that must be President Shinra's cannon... Do you think he's compensating for something?" - Shrek
5:05 nope, funny enough, I saw a video recently on Twitter where the caption said, "the father's genes didn't even try," the daughter looked exactly like her mother
This is comment got me doing the classic "spew your drink out your mouth" laugh
Is that scientifically accurate?
@@Ramzi123_Gene modification during the embryonic stage can do wonders.
Cloud looks exactly like his mother too... although to be fair we don't know what Cloud's father looked like. In Remake, Hojo remarks that Aerith is "the spitting image" of her mother, Ifalna. Sephiroth also looks 100% like Lucrecia (his surrogate mother) and nothing like his father, Hojo. However, he shares some physical characteristics with Vincent, which supports the theory that Vincent is actually Sephiroth's real father.
42:57
Extra Sin:
In Remake, Tifa was shown to be able to drive a mini Pickup Van, but can’t figure out how to drive a Buggy. I don’t care if it is a Smart or a 4x4, if you can drive one, you can drive the other.
So you can drive a tank, too? Lol
@@Coldsilfur4 Tanks are built different from cars. For one thing, they have treads, not wheels.
She seemed to drive it just fine once she got the hang of it, threw Elena off the buggy quite well
I implore you go to ask to stay in room number 1 at any hotel.
I work at a hotel. You know what our lowest number rooms are? 101, 102, and 103. Sure we have more than that though.
"Does no one work at this mako reactor? It's completely empty, and the only way to reach it is by a treacherous mountain pass and rope bridge."
Just wait till you get a look at how the Empire does things in Star Wars. No handrailings inside the Death Star, right next to the laser beam that is capable of blowing up planets? That's a big Health and Safety no-no.
4:56, It is possible that Hojo recommend Sephiroth for the Nibelheim mission, knowing that he was smart enough to figure out his own origin. Given that Hojo was so quick to arrive at the town after the incident, it seems he might have been keeping an eye on the situation, not knowing exactly what would happen but curious about the outcome. It's possible that he already figured out Jenova wasn't a Cetra by this point, and wanted to test his theories about the "Reunion". I'm not sure if this is confirmed or not, but I find the possibility entertaining.
Considering hiw fast hojo showed up afterwards id definitely say its him
I hope in part 3, when you find Gast’s videos, they change the last one. Instead of Hojo just showing up and attacking Gast’s family, he also tells Gast he's continuing researching Jenova, despite both of them learning she's not a Cetra, and destroyed any records that revised Gast's initial conclusion on Jenova.
Yeah, based on how quickly he shows up it always felt that the way Sephiroth learns of his origins was completely intentional. I think some people really underestimate how mad and evil Hojo really is. Imo he is the most evil antagonist in the game.
Brian, Tifa's dad, didn't took his daughter up to the reactor to hide. He told her to take shelter just outside Nibelheim where there weren't plants and fire couldn't spread, than ran to the reactor to talk (????) to Sephiroth. Tifa followed her dad by herself. From Traces of two pasts novel.
During chapter 1, the characters said Tifa and her dad went there hide.
But then in Nibelheim, the conversation with Tifa in her house has her say Brian actually did go to fight Sephiroth after being fed up with Shinra. He probably told Tifa he was going to "talk" to him to not worry her.
@@chrisdaughen5257 Rebirth did some retcons in comparison to TotP ... first of all Tifa's scar :
In the novel it is said it went from under her neck to below her breasts, slightly diagonally toward the right breast, not counting the fact it has been erased with plastic surgery (artifical skin grafts), anyway it should be a long, vertical scar ; in Rebirth is a short horizontal cut along her diaphragm, under her chest, and it is still visible.
I can imagine even with plastic surgery and after being fully healed Tifa'ld have some sign of the scar, but they utterly changed the place of the cut on her body ; maybe they were worried they'ld have had Tifa lift her top too much ?
@@nagaifan001 The player is always shown Tifa's back when she shows it Cloud. The devs already thought it was too high.
I think the writers initially wanted Tifa to have a bigger cut from Sephiroth, but neither her model nor profile pic suggest it in the PS1. Plus her getting artificial skin grafts seem a little too convenient, when it appears Tifa's surgery was an urgent rush job. So they settled for something small enough that it could be hidden by her shirt. Of course in ReBirth, it made it look like Tifa got really lucky and somehow only got grazed by Masamune despite getting slashed point-blank by the 10-foot sword.
@@chrisdaughen5257 You are right that Tifa needed emergency treatment, in fact it wasn't Dr. Sheiran in Corel who applied the skin grafts ; it was Dr. Oranye in Midgar slums sect. 8.
In the PS1 era there wasn't the tech to show her scar anyway, but this is what happens when the devs want to go deeper in details ; they have to explain a lot of things that doesn't make much sense when players begins asking questions from a logical perspective.
Her scar should be visible when Tifa has the Shining Spirit beach wear in Costa del Sol, IF it was the one described in the novel.
"Gotta be Marines to be that stupid"
Me, a Marine 👁👄👁
Kinda reminds me of this joke I heard saying that marine stands for “Muscles Are Required, Intelligence Not Essential”
@AlphaWolf567 that made my day 😂
"You know how JRPGs typically end with fighting God?"
"Yeah?"
"What if for the Remake we made the original game the God you fight."
Elaborate please 🙏, I’m a little thrown on your meaning fam 😅
@@shyeazykoopa414 The Time Jannies are probably the clearest example. Their entire purpose is to make sure events play out "according to fate" (the original game). It gets to the point that most of the conflict stems from the conflicting timelines.
@@mariokarter13 oh ok now I see what your saying they aren’t fighting god but the perception of god, which is just them going against the OG content, kinda like final destination now that I think 🤔 about it 🧐.
The end of ReMake already had you fight the living embodiment of the OG with the Arbiter Whisper.
What else is there to do?
Characters go through the original events of the OG? That can't work. There haven't been enough deviations from the original plot outside the endings of each disk and the Sephiroth visions.
Use PS1 graphics? They already used the low-poly versions of the characters in the mini-games. The impact wouldn't hit as hard.
The point of the game is chaos is good therefore more chaos is better. Convolution equals better game so no one can know how it's going to end. See how twisty and subversive it is?
Honestly, this game stinks of The Last Jedi problem. "Kill the past. Bury it if you have to". Yeah, let's just pretend history never happened and not learn from our mistakes we made in the past. Square Enix mostly in a nutshell. It's funny that these creatives are all trying to make something different and new and end up making something that resembles the same thing these other creatives are making as trying to make something new and different. Also makes me think of the Final Fantasy XIII series chaos lore. I see the same mistakes they made in Final Fantasy XIII and it's series as well as KH. These people need to be fired.
17:38 its bizzarre people still think the CPR Is Like Kissing joke is still a thing. It just rings childish and kind of dumb, esp when a drowning person is a sputtering mucusy mess.
im 24 minutes in and my biggest Nomura fears are being realized, that entire junon segment is just painfully stupid
Good thing it’s not Nomura writing it all then. Instead it’s tue other guy pushing to make it dumber and dumber (square really needs an editor for their latest bigger non DQ franchises to clean up their stories admittedly).
@@rionaka8835 Nomura is the executive in charge of everything.
@@mikespearwood3914 I mean regardless on some level I dont know why a team of cooks doesnt try to stop a cook when they see him chuck a boot into tonight's soup.
@@oshkeet I assume they specifically only hire cooks that are fine with said cook throwing a boot into the soup. Don't like boot soup? Good luck getting a job outside of the SquareEnix kitchen.
@@rionaka8835Nomura is creative director so he is responsible for every shit creative decision making it into the game.
If you watch closely in Advent children, barret had a hand that transformed into his gun, something they also could have done for both games but, i can understand it's more of a personal option and, after everything went down he had a reason to have a hand and the gun transformation.
I’m glad I’m not the only one who made the Schrödinger’s cat comparison. Also, you’re absolutely right. Palmer did not deserve a track that good.
I knocked on everyone's door in my community to let them know that there's a new Dartigan video. 😊
You're a Dartigan Witness.
I assume the police were called after the third time house
And he didn’t even give you a heart or a pin, unfortunate
But did you really have to knock on my door dressed as a banana?
😂
Hojo isn't hated because how shit of a human being he was, he is hated because he created Chadley
I actually just hated him because he's really fat.
i like chadley. hojo is hatable because hes a reference to nazi scientists. like all of em in one guy. play wolfenstien they have similarly hatable doctors and such.
lol, why not both?
How soy-bean this species have become, they censored my comment about Hojo having excessive weight.
That's absolutely pathetic.
i know game sins is mostly lore focused. but
Gi Nattak is absolute shit as a boss fight given that 75% of the moveset is unblockable, despite the fact you have to fight him with the slow moving hp tank and the character whose entire gimmick is blocking
Just heal him lol
@@iamjoehill i know you can heal him. it is still bad game design to pair the 2 characters who arent good at dodging with the boss that has alot of unblockables
yes red can dodge but reds vengence gauge wants you to block. and you cant fill it cause so much is unblockable.
just cause you can beat a boss doesnt mean that its well made. othe rexample red dragon. tho that one fully for the reason that everything looks like fire and nothing is, making the elemental materia worthless despite the boss looking like it would be great here
I got shredded by him for like a hour on my hard playthrough lmao.
One thing that bothered me about this part of both FFVII games was that Barret and Dyne look NOTHING ALIKE. Any chance of a misunderstanding about "the man with the gun arm" would evaporate the instant they give any other descriptive term at all.
Far be it from me to defend Rebirth but I think it's because Dyne was hooded and therefore the only ones who witnessed and survived can simply describe him as a man with the gun arm.
dyne and barret NEVER looked alike beside the gun arm.
i simply took it as "witnesses were dumb and just remembered the gun arm" and to be fair how many gun arm guy do we meet?
People say it was a guy with a gun arm. They find a guy with a gun arm, they assume it's him.
They rush to a conclusion, and eventually apologize for their mistake, and give you a free buggy as compensation. Are you sure you played the original?
The whole thing was stupid because they spoiled it right away. lol
The biggest sin of FF7 is that the plot moves forward by the fact that nobody wants to talk up about things specially Cloud. Tifa at the ending even asks him to let her know if he has weird thoughts
So she can pile some more lies on them? Thanks Minerva, Cloud's trust to her deservingly breached
I love the dodging in this game, though. It makes me feel like a pretty ballerina twirling around the battlefield, launching energy waves at my enemies from afar😂
Cloud fought against freakin sephiroth and the entire Shinra's troops but gets knocked down by random gang thugs. +50 sins
There's a big reason Viceroy Surruf never shows up...
He doesn't exist. His name is basically Rufus' name remixed. I think he's just some sort of mind game Lodbrock is pulling.
At first I thought Surruf would be Sephiroth (Surruf > Seraph > Sephiroth). I was kind of right with Glen really being a vision by Sephiroth.
But that still doesn't explain why Glenn in the broadcast acted like Surruf would show up or what the other people in the room were thinking. Was Sephiroth just messing with Rufus?
I suppose it’s not an important plot point much line Glenn himself. These inserted mobile game characters are trash
@@kjh4496 The characters are fine. It's only annoying they're introduced in a mobile game.
Thank you! Finally! Someone who also realizes how much they changed Cid's character. We all know why they changed him though. It's for the same reason why Dyne wasn't allowed to kill himself in this game. Because in 2024, we can't have a hero that's also mentally (and quite possibly physically) abusive to his assistant/girlfriend/wife. His anger at her and at shinra for ruining his dreams of getting to space. And then his eventual realization that she was correct all along when he finally does go up to space was the entire character arch of Cid. Now, he has no arch. He is just another bland, cheerleader for the group that is always hopefully and optimistic of the future. It's so annoying.
I assumed Reeve isn’t always in control of Cait Sith and the latter some advanced AI of its own.
Thought that too until they showed him checking out in front of the team. "OH SO REEVE HAS TO BE BEHIND HIS SCREEN THEN?!" was my reaction. And then I decided to stop trying to understand what Square Enix wants in life.
15:10 The thing about the Midgardsormr being impaled is that there were two Midgardsormrs in the original game. Sephiroth attacked and impaled one of the Midgardsormrs on the tree Cloud and the gang find it on after crossing the swamp, while the one that attacks you in the original game is it's mate. It was attacking anyone who passed into the swamp because it was mad and grieving the loss of it's mate.
You mean the Zolom???
@@mikespearwood3914 Yes, it's called Midgardsormr in FF7R though.
I really wanted one of the party members to say "Did Spehiroth... do this?" when Midgardsormr was impaled on the tree 😂
This is made up. The Zolom in the original is just an enemy that keeps spawning every time you defeat him and change area, and it is never mentioned how many of them there are nor this plot. It's just a species of monster.
@@Marco96. Yeap, though the one Sephiroth kills is different from the one you [can] encounter.
I'm surprised there was no ""F*ck this boss fight in particular" sin or one for those damned cactuar gates in the chocobo races.
I don’t care what Dart says, Red is the best date choice for the Golden Saucer.
They _are_ soft!
He would have been, had this game not utterly fucked him over
Been watching for at least 6-7 years now, glad to have you still popping up on my feed. 💪🏾
10:50 “I’m stuck in a maze and every step is taking me further from the path. Every time the whispers touch me, I lose something. A part of myself.” She knew they were taking her memories.
@39:19 bold of you to assume that Gus wouldn't sell Barret or Cloud into a ring. Especially Cloud of all people. 😂
that squat sin was literal perfection. you can tell dartigan fuckin lifts
I thought he was splitting hairs with that one and groaned the entire time he was sinning it. I came for crits about the plot, not stupid shit like that
You probably shouldn't be watching an EWW if you're looking solely for plot critiques. At least half of an EWW's repertoire is nitpicking, because it is, or was, funny.
I just love how this guy continuously roasts Sephiroth especially @1:20:39. 😂
Hojo is the most evil Final Fantasy character change my mind
Even if we count Kingdom Hearts as Final Fantasy
@@ryxan6968 what about Clive's mother in FF 16.
The chocobo wrangler from FFX says hi.
nomura.
i think it's nomura, or whoever wrote this mess.
Revive Aerith guide, the game!! Perfect. Part 3 better have us collecting all the soldier figurines, Turtle Paradise posters, submarine side mission and killing Ruby and Emerald weapons with no materia.
I want them to introduce Sapphire and other Weapons as optional bosses.
The weapons Will probably just be ludicrous VR challenges outside of a few mandatory story related ones
@@Wolfqueen007 Dear God, I hope not.
37:35 Rebirth also went out of its way not to mention that Barret is black and Dyne is white. That was another physical trait that would have cleared Barret's name immediately from the eye-witness accounts
How did they even handle that in the OG? (I can't even remember).
@@mikespearwood3914pretty sure they didn’t
@@mikespearwood3914 They just say a man with a gun arm committed the shooting. No reference to race or which arm was grafted. In the original Barrett was a volatile badass who in all probability would snap in such a way, it was a bait and switch for the audience. Ultimately, the message being, that we can't always control the cards we're dealt, but we can choose how we cope with it. IN the original, Dyne also ponders sending Marlene to her mother. But in the end forgives Barrett for being the better man. He doesnt forgive him in Rebirth. How dumb.
Dyne was wearing a cloak. That covered everything except his gun arm.
@@mikespearwood3914 In the original, they just focused on the gun-arm aspect. They jump to conclusions and accuse barret & co (unsurprising, since someone just commit a massacre), sending them down to Correl prison. However, after you compete in a chocobo race, they realise their mistake, apologize, and give you a buggy as recompense.
42:15 I wish they hadn't censored Dyne's suicide like that either but they probably did it to keep the rating down. The rating was retroactively raised for the 1997 game apparently because of that one scene since, unlike the other violence portrayed in the game, it didn't fall under the category of "fantasy violence"
At least him getting shot by Shinra troopers could be seen as a transition to the Palmer fight. In fact, Dyne's whole story was rewritten to revolve around Palmer coming to the Gold Saucer. In the original, Dyne ran Corel Prison, but randomly decided to sneak into the Saucer to shoot Shinra troopers after years of not doing anything else against them.
I like how Rebirth framed him as a totally unstable outcast that only took action when he saw a Shinra exec getting close.
The only thing I didn't like was they wrote out Dyne wanting to kill Marlene to "reunite" her with her mother. It would have still fit with how unstable he was. I guess that's why the writers had Barrett wait to tell Dyne she was alive until after the fight. But the annoying thing is Ever Crisis still had the original conversation, even though it still censored the suicide and just had Dyne get randomly shot by a Shinra trooper.
@@chrisdaughen5257 He didn't randomly sneak into the saucer, he could freely access the saucer. It's... part of why you hunt him down in the OG. The shinra soldiers evidently weren't normally at the saucer, so it makes sense he'd shoot them on sight when they finally do arrive (shinra was mobilising at a similar rate to Cloud's group).
They didn’t even have the balls to stab aerith. lol
Only 16 minutes into this video, and this game's plot seems about as convoluted as what you would get if The Silmarillion was written by Tommy Wiseau.
Oh god! lol
On a separate note, I find weird the video didn't sinned the apparent plot hole of Cissnei living in Gongaga. There is a sort of a plot hole in Cissnei story in Rebirth. She claims she has been living for almost a year in Gongaga, but that statement contraticts everything that we know in FF7 OG and specially Crisis Core about the timeline of events from the moment Zack and Cloud escape from Shinra Manor to the moment that Zack is killed and the events of FF7 (OG, Remake and Rebirth). In Rebirth, Cissnei mentions that she has been living in Gongaga for almost a year and it is implied that she has been inactive from the Turks for at least several months, but in Crisis Core she was active in the Turks while Zack and Cloud escaped from Shinra Manor and she even actually found them and was also actively looking for Zack in the Midgar area during his last stand against the Shinra Army. The events of the bombing of mako reactor No.1 take place about a week after Zack's death, even just taking into account just Remake and Rebirth times, the whole events in Remake take place in around 5 to 7 days (From bombing mission all the way to final battle with Sephiroth). The events in Rebirth from start to the point of reaching Gongaga, while not explicitly said, would not be more than a week and a half, maybe two weeks at most. So, since Zack's death to the point the main party reaches Gongaga, a little over a month have passed, and yet Cissnei has been living in Gongaga for almost a year and apparently hasn't left the village. Also of mention, she was able to see the whispers, something only the main party and Rufus are able to do, because even Scarlet and the Shinra Troops she had with her weren't able to see them, though they did feel the efects, but Cissnei was able to see the whispers, she described them to the main party, which they seem to simply dismiss. Now, this is actually a minor plot hole, which could be explained in at least 2 possible ways without convoluting too much the plot
Square-Enix please forget FFVI exists.
I hope part 3 bombs even harder so that this never happens
Why don't you want to see Kefkas around the multiverse? We can call it the multiverse of madness.
Don't ever stop making these videos.
The reason the Whispers took her memories is because of the huge fan backlash over Remake dumb multiverse bullshit. They are trying to backtrack now.
I had a great time tuning in to your livestreams, interacting with the chat, and watching game sins made in real time!
I’m sure Rufus performed an analyst that they’re after Sephiroth since they aren’t attacking Shinra atm, didn’t commit a terrorist attack on Junon, and their monitoring proves that they’re following the Black Robes, and their camera footage at the President’s Executive suite shows Cloud following Sephiroth and then the whole party discussing chasing after him. Not Shirna. It’s an obvious conclusion.
Reading Cloud’s file included his S cell experimentation by Hojo. Thus, enlightening.
The real way to revive Aerith:
1. make the original game successful and profitable.
2. demand a remake.
3. create a culture where consequences are bad and stockholders demand the game appeal to everyone.
4. profit?
Nice meme but I dont see how a console-exclusive, jRPG made in 3 separate parts "appeals to everyone".
Cause when fans say that its them being mad a brown person or an easy mode is thrown into a game. When execs use the word it means "fuck we sank too much money into this game and if its niche at all there's no way to make the profit we want now"
@@oshkeetYeah the project unfortunately is too far off the rails now. Would have been a huge hit if they stuck to the original.
Dartigan thank you! I know you said this might be out next month, so to have it out earlier and in depth, we applaud you! Running to Patreon
The 26th sin should have been about Hojo not Sephiroth. Vincent is technically Older than everyone in the party except for Red.
Ah, a new Final Fantasy sins video for me to listen to for the next month as I fall asleep!!! Keep up the great work!!
This is going to be a great Saturday
What I'm still questioning even from the OG game is.....we have multiple ways to revive dead characters. Phoenix Downs, Phoenix drafts, FUCKING REVIVE MATERIA, YET EVERYONE lets her bleed out and die....like what?
Yeah. It kinda becomes a problem for real, impactful character deaths when in your lore there are items that can not only heal, but bring people back to life. Your comment reminds me of the Red 13 segment where his dad is stone and I’m sitting there like “But there’s literally an item that cures petrification (maiden’s kiss)”.
As far as we know, phoenix down's just reawaken people. It's been ages since I looked at the status effect, but isn't it called "KO", not "DEAD"? KO meaning knocked out.
@@SyndicateOperative ok...I can see that...but uh...what about the revive materia....that literally raises the dead. And kills undead
@@mynamegoeshere9287 Maiden's Kiss cures Frog, not petrification. Soft cures petrification.
You’re right. My bad😅 Either way though
You were the first person I thought of during the whole ledge paint discussion when this game's demo first came out lol
I liked the idea of altering timelines they began in the first one. But timeline and multiverse stories can quickly turn into madness if you are not careful.
Yup was all in on first game, but now idk
28:21 I think this scene was to show that Red has a close bond with Aerith, and when he thought something was wrong, he switched his voice to intimidate a potential foe
I was going to request this and am happily surprised you made this public .... yesterday. I feel like my week has a new rebirth now starting with tbis. ❤
I see that the multiverse lore was lifted wholesale from the Nasuverse, downright to the timeline trimming aspect.
It's also similar to the Evangelion Rebuild movies, where it's implied that the rebuild movies take place as a looping timeline after the events of End of Evangelion, where Shinji was given the power of a god to choose whether or not if everybody should continue as a collective consciousness or become separate individuals again. Apparently, he chose to reset the world & separate everyone's souls again. There are clues that hint toward this like the ocean being red as blood from the very beginning when that's not supposed to happen until 3rd Impact.
This is why I jokingly refer to these remakes as the FF7 'Rebuild' series, or;
FF7 1.0: You can (Not) remake
FF7 2.0: This will (Not) make sense
FF7 3.0: You will (Not) like how this ends
Yuffie gets motion sickness on the boat. You can hear her by going near the locked door of the black robes.
I just finished this game about two days ago (I know, I’m slow), and was so confused by the ending I had to look up a video to explain what had happened. I am a Kingdom Hearts fan. If your game is made in such a way that even I cannot tell whether or not someone is alive or dead, then you have failed as a storyteller. An incredible game otherwise. Also, I’m calling it now, Part 3 will be called Final Fantasy 7 Reunion.
The crisis core remaster took that sub title. Not happening but how about reconstruction
Probably going to be something like:
Rebuild
Reset
Re-live
Nomura wanted Rebirth to be called Reunion, but it was already used for Crisis Core remaster, so Rebirth was used insteand, and since Reunion was already used, part 3 would be called something else. While Rebuild, Relive and others have been used, after some thought and due to the OST list, some have begin to believe that the last part would be called Return or Returned.
You can't blame the writers for your inability to understand basic storytelling.
@@rottengalaxy The original FF7 was basic storytelling. This poorly written remake trilogy is amateurish fan fiction that ignores the rules of basic storytelling. You can't blame the critics for the writing team's inability to write a good story.
Cloud: Why is he laughing?
Aerith: Because he knows, this isn't over yet.
Me: Well...this is actually over for me with Rebirth, because I have completely lost my sanity there. F*ck it. Hand over those pills, Yuffie.
Same, honestly the only way to even try to comprehend this bullshit is through some drugs because that's how they made the game: on drugs.
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Adding some dose of time travel games.
@@linkbluu321 it's a very simple multiverse concept. There a multiple universe each with difference from the main one. These differences can be major or minor. See it's not hard to understand at all
@@neilstone927 That I understand, the problem is them introducing so many timelines that you lose track of which one is which. Plus all the ambiguous shit of the ending.
@@linkbluu321 oh you mean like Marvel and DC and the infinite number of universes. Yeah that can get confusing
Ok so alot of the Cait Sith sins maybe somewhat off, doesn't the Life Breathe drone have it's own personality?!
Actually Cloud file would show that he and Zack were the ones present when Sephiroth was defeated and that he spend 5 years being a test experiment for Hojo, manage to escape and evade capture (unlike his Soldier First Class friend, who was killed), then would show him appearing as a member of Avalanche defeating a lot of securite guards and machines, a Turk and getting involved with the last Cetra. I say it is a pretty interesting file.
Yuffie makes sick sounds on the Shinra-8 if you interact with the right door.
Whoa!! 1 hour? Okay. Got my popcorn.
What makes Dirge of Cerberus so bad? I had a lot of fun playing it, I don’t understand the hate it gets.
The game was fun but it's when they started to mess up with the story just to milk the game. Any of the afterthought games made after FFVII is just a money printing scheme and their story cannot be taken seriously.
@@unixtreme The story didn’t seem ruined when I played it.
Cait is "controlled" by Revee. However, for my head canon, I believe Cait is AI programmed. It's not as though Reeve has to be sitting at a terminal inputting Cait's every move. Plus we have Chadley, who has free will. So this is not sin worthy in my opinion.
Multiversing an already complex story in a Final Fantasy game. I understand the complexity of the Doctor from Doctor Who's ENTIRE TIMELINE (books and audiodramas included) better than this idea.
Heck Kingdom Hearts starts to make more sense too-note STARTS.
130. The whispers emptied completely the white materia after they were possesed by Sephiroth.
Before, they never meant to empty the materia, only to take Aerith's future memories off cause those weren't meant to exist.
I’d remove a sin for the absolute fire Gilgamesh boss battle. For me that was more epic than any of the convoluted Sephiroth crap in the forgotten city
"Yes, shoot the mobile game character. It's what you should've done the moment he showed up." I died of laughter 😂😂
Tv says Live
Dartigan: precorded footage 🤓
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If we remove all the sins he added for things he flat out gets wrong or takes out of context, this would lose half the sin counter or more
remake and rebirth can be summed up by this sentence: tetsuya nomura kingdom hearts-esque bullshit
Dude u just made my day with this upload
Biggest sin: This game exists, claiming to be a FFVII "remake" when it isn't. Just wanted the original remade with modern graphics, that's all.
Finally another new upload :)
I never understood Glenn, Matt and Lucia purpose in the game at all. I know that they died off-screen, and their name was mentioned, but Glenn absolutely none. And with ever crisis square is so focused on gatcha events that the story mode for all 3 modes aren't even done.
So is the new final fantasy 7 Sephiroth an actual hero? Is this the timeline where he has to act like a villain just to help them defeat every version of Jenova
Y'know, there should be many more Cetra descendants. How did the inhabitants of Spira completely overtake the original, quite advanced civilization? Did they bring Vegnagun with them?
I dont think Tifa reaction to Cloud confusion is a sin. She explain why she dosent confront him about it. She is afraid of what is going to happen if she does so, afraid he will leave it is a very human reaction, she can see how fragile Cloud psyche it is. That why in the original she ask Cloud not look when Sephiroth show him the truth of Niblelheim, she does not want him to know that his memories are a lie, because she does not want him to get hurt and to leave. A lot of people go along with the fantasies their love ones created because they are afraid of hurting them. Is that the right thing to do? Off course not, but doing the wrong thing shouldnt be a sin if the explanation makes sense, and in Tifa case makes completely sense.
While taversing the area around costa del sol and the desert yuffie actually comments on making clones of the party. Cloud says no to making more if him but when yuffie mentions tifa....he gets oddly quiet and Yuffie calls him a perv
So this might knock off some sins but it's explained in one of the novels or ultimanias or whatever that Cait Sith is an AI Robot. Reeve uses Cait as a spy rather then controlling him directly which he can do. Cait was designed by Reeve to be a mascot and Spy for Shinra, accent and all. So that explains why Cait Sith needs help locating things and such. This was poorly explained in the original game and confused a lot of people.
Counterpoint: The books don't matter.
To piggy back off jlev, if I have to do homework to understand the plot, and the assignment isn't in the immediate predecessor of the same medium, that's writer's problem, not a viewer's problem. It's one of the biggest problems with the MCU in phase 4.
In all honesty, that doesn't knock off some sins, that should add sins with an exponential curve for every time it happens. I get wanting to make a big whole thing for one of the biggest games the company has made, but it gets pretty annoying to do, especially when they don't release them outside of Japan. Especially when making a plot intentionally convoluted.
I say this also as a fan of the .hack franchise, but at least the two things that were intertwined (The games and Liminality) were shipped together in the game cases.
@@pretends2know Besides if we're not willing to let Balan Wonderworld get away with that shit why should we let this trilogy off the hook for the same crime? Oh wait I know why, cause it's FF7 that absolves it of all criticism right gaming community? Oy vey.....
Hearing people actually defend this game's terrible writing only deepens my lack of faith and trust in humanity T _ T
I think sin 2 is the assumed universe where Cloud never made it to Midgar on his own and Avalanche did things alone.
The gang's weapons from the last game are actually stored in Johnny's hotel once you build it up in a sidequest.
Pointless if it’s not useable. The weapons in Rebirth are underwhelming amd you basically use 1 sword for the entire game.
Speaking of FF, any update for the subtitles in the FFXVI video?
Some of these inconsistencies actually have an explanation but many of them don't.
I think this video really shows that when you write a story with so many random things happening, the viewer's trust in the writer gets low and he won't even get the rare instancies where it is actually well written.
Most of the FF7 fanbase has abandoned the remake so I guess it doesn’t matter much anymore
@@kjh4496 Really? The remake series is polarizing but the "low" sales are mostly due to the exclusivity, I believe.
They Changed The Name of That Giant Snake.
In The Original It’s Called The “Midgar Zolom”.
In Rebirth They Call It The “Midgarsormr”.
I thought you could dodge in remake but you needed materia to do damage as you dodge. Like Cloud harmlessly dodging and Cloud “accidentally” hitting the enemy with his sword while dodging.
You absolutely could dodge in remake as you said. I often wonder if this guy actually plays the games he critiques for as much as he gets wrong
Currently playing it just got to my correl. I’m gonna be liking this video and coming back afterwards!
Finished the game and came back. I found myself sinning it a lot but liked it but that last 2 hours of the game had me thinking I missed something.
You see some of the sailors laying dead on the ship when you have to go fight Jenova in the cargo hold.
26:03 Hojo was not first person Titus called, he was told to contact Hojo by someone else.
According to the Anime and the other lore canon games. Cloud was in Nibel. But he was only one of the shinra soldiers. He didn't come into the mansion until after he saw the village on fire and investigated. Then was skewered by Sephiroth in the basement lab. Tifa likely didn't know Cloud was there, because he had his helmet on, nearly the whole time. Until he relaxed around Zack.
3:39 There are such things as live broadcasts.
I saw a comment on tumbler saying “Vincent should get a beach outfit” then someone replied “that man literally had his organs removed,got experimented on!! It would just be very scary”