Redrawing the Map of the Middle East in 1920

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    100 years ago at the conference of San Remo, one thing became clear: Great Britain and France wanted control over the Middle East. Justified by the fighting in the previous years and painted as "liberators" of the Middle Eastern minorities, the new map of the Middle East emerged - under the cover of the League of Nations Mandate system.
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    Karsh, Efraim & Karsh, Inari, Empires of the Sand: The Struggle for Mastery in the Middle East 1789-1923, (Cambridge, MA : Harvard University Press, 1999)
    “Dans Le Levant” Le Temps, August 31, 1919 issue, gallica.bnf.fr...
    Lloyd George, David, Memoirs of the Peace Conference, (New Haven : Yale University Press, 1939) vol. 2
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Komentáře • 445

  • @merrbino
    @merrbino Před 4 lety +370

    *Slaps roof of Versailles treaty*
    "This baby can fit so much future conflict in it"

  • @ralphbernhard1757
    @ralphbernhard1757 Před 4 lety +225

    Sykes: "What part do you want?"
    Picot: "What part do you want?"
    Locals:

    • @hawkarlatif9470
      @hawkarlatif9470 Před 4 lety +22

      We Kurds were doomed by this actions

    • @tiggergolah
      @tiggergolah Před 4 lety +7

      @N Vannote Nope, them too. It was lose lose for everyone in the long run.

    • @Darwinek
      @Darwinek Před 4 lety +8

      @@hawkarlatif9470 Unfortunately, Kurds are doomed whatever happens in the Middle East.

  • @ahuse1
    @ahuse1 Před 4 lety +298

    the stuff you guys are covering here is as important and consequential as any battle. bravo!

  • @brianthomas8125
    @brianthomas8125 Před 4 lety +85

    One of the smartest things that Italy ever did was to avoid Sykes-Picot. Before Orlando headed to Versailles, he met with Vittorio Emanuele III and the King asked him if he intended to contest Sykes-Picot at all. He shook his head and replied, "There's a reason that the old Romans left, Majesty- too many problems over there". How right he was.

  • @tschetatsch
    @tschetatsch Před 4 lety +202

    Arbitrary borders not thinking about ethnicities which lead to geopolitical problems and tensions today

    • @elKuhnTucker
      @elKuhnTucker Před 4 lety +7

      True. We must strive for a world where every ethnicity has their own country!

    • @anderstopansson
      @anderstopansson Před 4 lety +7

      Same in south America. And globalists love it.

    • @mrmagoo8956
      @mrmagoo8956 Před 4 lety +1

      Concise and accurate

    • @ScotterationRetard
      @ScotterationRetard Před 4 lety +19

      Nah man, diversity is our strength for some reason. After all, it needs to be parroted over and over and over again by everybody with very little in the way of proof or support, that's how you know something's true, if you have to keep saying it and saying it and saying it because it isn't self evident at all.

    • @CHIL2903
      @CHIL2903 Před 4 lety +17

      @@ScotterationRetard Every time I hear "diversity is our strength" it always reminds me of "arbeit macht frei" for some reason.

  • @peacemaarkhan
    @peacemaarkhan Před 4 lety +232

    Middle East in 1920: Hey US, please meddle in our affairs
    The US 100 years later: sure thing

    • @Crick1952
      @Crick1952 Před 4 lety +9

      I thought that was pretty ironic as well

    • @Ugly_German_Truths
      @Ugly_German_Truths Před 4 lety +19

      well "to be fair" they have meddled since at least 1950... but it seems to be addictive and the US isn't going to rehab anytime soon...

    • @stephenjenkins7971
      @stephenjenkins7971 Před 3 lety +6

      @@Ugly_German_Truths US only really intervened in Iran, though. Does that count as "meddling in the affairs of the ME" as a whole? If it were multiple countries, then sure, but that seems to me to be a bit of an exaggeration.

    • @samyak4165
      @samyak4165 Před 3 lety +2

      @@Ugly_German_Truths Well...they are leaving now but I dont see a bright future for Afghanistan.

    • @rhetoric5173
      @rhetoric5173 Před 2 lety +2

      Not Middle East, israel

  • @TheVideomaker2341
    @TheVideomaker2341 Před 4 lety +214

    This will forever change the world.

  • @Phonixrmf
    @Phonixrmf Před 4 lety +209

    Middle Easterners: peace is surely coming
    Picot: Sykes!

    • @azamkhan1526
      @azamkhan1526 Před 4 lety +4

      along with Democracy with free Human rights

    • @nialpollitt3410
      @nialpollitt3410 Před 4 lety +5

      @gamer hashaam isn't that how Islam spread though?

    • @MH-jg6vk
      @MH-jg6vk Před 4 lety +7

      Nial Pollitt funny because Islam kept the Middle East stable and unified for centuries without any bloodshed or wars until the Christian Europeans came and done what their best at doing...

    • @goganii
      @goganii Před 4 lety +1

      @@azamkhan1526 not really, but to be fair, they developed the lands quite a bit. Some of the best schools and hospitals in Syria are the French ones

    • @tubarao1143
      @tubarao1143 Před 3 lety +1

      What?ahahah

  • @JamieDouthit
    @JamieDouthit Před 4 lety +111

    Thanks for still putting out content. As some who’s still working 50 hour per week, I love getting the notification that “the Great War” just uploaded a new video. Keep up the great work!

  • @jackwilkes4188
    @jackwilkes4188 Před 4 lety +197

    Arabs: will you give us our own land after the War?
    U.K. and France: Yes, well actually no...

    • @ivvan497
      @ivvan497 Před 4 lety +3

      U.K. and France: No, I dont think I will.
      FTFY

    • @anderstopansson
      @anderstopansson Před 4 lety +3

      Arabs were nomads. They don´t need to own lands.

    • @lafeil
      @lafeil Před 4 lety +6

      If give them their land, things today would totally different.

    • @jackwilkes4188
      @jackwilkes4188 Před 4 lety +1

      Actionbastard. I know war is taking over land and asserting your control. In fact I agree with the British (as I am one). I was just merely making a joke.

    • @harshbansal7982
      @harshbansal7982 Před 4 lety +1

      Yesn’t

  • @henrik1220
    @henrik1220 Před 4 lety +172

    "what could go wrong?"

    • @christopherconard2831
      @christopherconard2831 Před 4 lety +13

      They're upset now. But give it a couple years, I'm sure they'll all get along.

    • @DaFinkingOrk
      @DaFinkingOrk Před 10 měsíci +4

      To yourself three years ago: Oh you have no idea...

    • @username19237
      @username19237 Před 10 měsíci +2

      This is crash course

  • @eifelitorn
    @eifelitorn Před 4 lety +64

    The Sykes-Picot Agreement was already revealed by the Russians in 1917 when they left the war. This is a really interesting topic, thanks! I'm defending my Master's Thesis on this topic in a month, so this fitted me perfectly :D

    • @AshGamer007
      @AshGamer007 Před 4 lety

      Well they aren't going to give parts of Arabia to Soviets

    • @eifelitorn
      @eifelitorn Před 4 lety +8

      @@AshGamer007 they weren't the Soviets when the agreement was made.. It was the Soviets who went out of the war and exposed the agreement to the world.

    • @oml81mm
      @oml81mm Před 10 měsíci

      The Russians were involved in all the secret goings on and it was Leon Trotsky who leaked it all to the world. His Marxist principals went against the whole thing. Once the Bolshevics finally won control in (now soviet) Russia they gave up all claims to influence in the middle east and pulled out of WW1.

  • @extrahistory8956
    @extrahistory8956 Před 3 lety +24

    1:40 Allied Interests/ Great War Compromises
    6:00 Sykes-Picot Agreement
    8:31 French and British Rivalries Riel Up
    9:24 Wilson’s Fourteen Points/ Mandates/ League of Nation
    12:18 Arabs’ Thoughts/ Petitions
    16:20 Lebanon/ France, Faisal & Syria/ British Leave Syria
    20:04 San Remo/ Colonial “Mandates”

  • @MrBigCookieCrumble
    @MrBigCookieCrumble Před 4 lety +65

    _"So.. how are we gonna redraw the Middle East, any ideas?"_
    "Perhaps we should send out a committe that will investigate the complex interracial relationsships, the cultural and ethnic backgrounds and local identities of the region in question to better determine who gets what land?"
    _"That sounds much to complicated.. How long do you think this will take?"_
    "Oh several years for sure!"
    _"Nonsense! Making up a new country on the spot can't be THAT hard!_
    _Let's see, a line here, a curve there, couple of scribbles.. and.. _*_boom!_*_ There, new country!"_

    • @mountainhobo
      @mountainhobo Před 4 lety +6

      ""Perhaps we should send out a committe that will investigate the complex interracial relationsships, the cultural and ethnic backgrounds and local identities of the region in question to better determine who gets what land?"" -- Yeah, right, because that will make any difference. No matter what you do in the Middle East, they will still cut each other's throats until a superpower arises and enslaves everyone, and then they will be happy again.

    • @mountainhobo
      @mountainhobo Před 4 lety +1

      @Michael Moretti Ah, ad hominem... how sophisticated.

    • @mountainhobo
      @mountainhobo Před 4 lety +1

      @Michael Moretti I didn't really expect you would understand the difference.

  • @suburban404
    @suburban404 Před 4 lety +71

    I was part of the Civil Affairs Command that went to Desert Storm. I wish this program had been available in 1990.

    • @Spartan412
      @Spartan412 Před 4 lety +7

      Woah, that is really interesting. Do hope that future missions will take note of these events that TGW discussed when going out to the middle east.

    • @jjeherrera
      @jjeherrera Před 4 lety +18

      Both the Americans and the British had plenty of Middle East experts who knew Dessert Storm was a terrible idea, but the governments never listened to them.

    • @samjohnston8818
      @samjohnston8818 Před 4 lety +9

      I think today we are inclined to believe that history is just the 24 hour news cycle. But when presented with explanation such as the one here the light goes on and it is clear that current events have their roots in the long distant past.

    • @TWE_2000
      @TWE_2000 Před 4 lety +6

      Hey I'm also a Civil Affairs Specialist, I'm really interested in what you guys did during desert storm. What were your mission objectives. Got any stories that illustrates how CA can be effective and influential in obtaining the mission objective.

  • @micahistory
    @micahistory Před 4 lety +93

    It's very interetsing how you included those surveys of what the Arabs themselves thought about

    • @rogerhwerner6997
      @rogerhwerner6997 Před 4 lety +24

      It's more than interesting. I've been reading about this region for half a century, and I never knew these surveys existed. These should have been widely published decades ago.

    • @micahistory
      @micahistory Před 4 lety +4

      @@rogerhwerner6997 exactly

    • @AstroRamiEmad
      @AstroRamiEmad Před 3 lety +4

      I'm a Syrian and I do confirm these surveys ... People wanted Independence and disagreements were only about the shape of the independent state, a democratic kingdom or a republic.

    • @markhbeardsley5102
      @markhbeardsley5102 Před 2 lety +2

      "55% of Lebanese respondents opposed the French influence in the area." So how many of the 55% were Christians?
      Seems like the survey might have been asking 100 wolves what was going to be served for lunch and 55 of them chose to have a Christian for their repast.

    • @micahistory
      @micahistory Před 2 lety

      @@markhbeardsley5102 yeah maybe

  • @walidhousni3186
    @walidhousni3186 Před 4 lety +53

    Sykes: a Line from here to here...
    Picot: and another from here to here...
    Sykes: wait...I want this village for Britain
    Picot: oh c'mon...ok but I take this mountain for france
    Sykes: excellent!
    Arabs:...wait...you promised us to...
    Sykes: do you hear something?
    Picot:hmmm I think it's Italy who want some lands
    Sykes: oh..we can give them southern turkey
    Arabs: hellooooo?
    Sykes: uhum excellent! Finally peace in the middle east!
    *100 years later*

  • @Tadicuslegion78
    @Tadicuslegion78 Před 4 lety +62

    British Government: And have you actually ever been to the Middle East?
    British Foreign Office worker: Nope.
    British Government: Well you're more than qualified to redraw it then.

  • @panicatthecostcofoodcourt6920

    This makes me so angry, the amount of conflict this causes in the future for nothing but pure greed

    • @michaeltayeby6242
      @michaeltayeby6242 Před 4 lety +10

      Caused only by western Gangsters acting as a giant mafia in a pack

    • @ottomeyer6928
      @ottomeyer6928 Před 3 lety

      only the german wanted this right?

  • @Brainiac_124
    @Brainiac_124 Před 4 lety +20

    Shooting in just a living room really made no significant difference to the content of the channel. Keep going!

  • @blackmichael75
    @blackmichael75 Před 4 lety +49

    "What does the word mandate mean?" It's another word for *colony*.

  • @EKcyclist
    @EKcyclist Před 3 lety +8

    Your channel has opened the skylight! So many conflicts, decisions and issues after the Great War that go largely unnoticed, yet are having impacts to this day. Absolutely superb; please keep up your excellent work!

  • @Larkinchance
    @Larkinchance Před 10 měsíci +3

    During this current conflict in Ukraine, a friend and I argued back and forth. It was his position that borders are sacred. This was the position of the US corporate media,
    According to your lecture, the borders of the Middle-East were drawn by the French and the British. If you look back to 1880, so were the borders of Africa.
    The borders and disposition of the oil states were based of influence, money and military on the part of Britain and France, Democracy was not a factor...

    • @arostwocents
      @arostwocents Před 7 měsíci +2

      Borders have regularly been redrawn all throughout history. The US borders were continually redrawn.

  • @donalddodson7365
    @donalddodson7365 Před 9 měsíci +2

    I am always impressed with the scholarship, videography, scripts and narration by Jesse Alexander. Thank you.

  • @sgp7931
    @sgp7931 Před 4 lety +41

    This was a really interesting video

  • @TheGreatWar
    @TheGreatWar  Před 4 lety +60

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    • @Barsabus
      @Barsabus Před 4 lety

      Nice comercials. Keep up the hard work.

    • @Usammityduzntafraidofanythin
      @Usammityduzntafraidofanythin Před 4 lety

      It's because of technocrats. "I'm smarter than you, I think I know better, therefore you have no power/influence over your own self." It's the same as what happens today.

    • @VictorSilva-qf2tu
      @VictorSilva-qf2tu Před 4 lety

      I recently learned that the Composer Carl Orff was a infantry man in the german army in ww1. I didn't find much about his participation in the war but I believe it's worthy of a "who did what" episode.

    • @brokenbridge6316
      @brokenbridge6316 Před 4 lety

      I'm betting the next video is going to be in this guy's living room too.

    • @supergoodg7g6ycyv78
      @supergoodg7g6ycyv78 Před 2 lety +1

      Japanese empire malaya 1941 1945 history world video

  • @viveksingh4
    @viveksingh4 Před 2 lety +7

    You guys covered all the aspects of war very beautifully. The skyes-picot agreement, belfour agreement , and the Hussein-McMohan agreement together are the root cause of the present conflict between Israel and Palestine.

  • @BTNMNKI
    @BTNMNKI Před 4 lety +52

    This video looks different than the others. Can't quite put my finger on it...
    Duh, of course!
    New glasses!

    • @sentteri
      @sentteri Před 4 lety +2

      I was about to say new shoes. :D

  • @johnhall8364
    @johnhall8364 Před 4 lety +10

    Excellent episode!

  • @hlynnkeith9334
    @hlynnkeith9334 Před 4 lety +3

    Jesse, I prefer this setting. You were more animated in this episode than when you sit at the desk.

  • @SteelyBud
    @SteelyBud Před 4 lety +6

    The most productive thing I've done in my living room during COVID-19 lockdown is make a (still incomplete) list of my 20 favorite songs by Van Morrison. The Great War meanwhile is making invaluably educational videos on our history. Great job overcoming the obstacles, guys! Keep up the great work!

  • @remybien3277
    @remybien3277 Před 4 lety +24

    Stay safe Jesse

  • @tommy-er6hh
    @tommy-er6hh Před 4 lety +14

    Most histories, this excellent! one also, totally skip the struggle for Arabia itself - how the pro-British Al Saud in Najd in SE Arabia fought the Ottoman allies of Hail in Al Shamar in Central & NE Arabia, while Hussein Sharif of Mecca in the Hejaz revolted against the Ottomans in W Arabia (with Lawrence). So here is a summary:
    After the Ottoman WWI collapse, the Al Saud won their side, but then in 1924 the two old allies of the British went to war, Hussein in the West and Al Saud from the East for who would control Arabia. The British abandoned Hussein but supported Al Saud. Guess who won Saudi Arabia?
    In Yemen it was complicated also; pre-WWI Imam Yahya al-Mutawakkil semi-Independently controlled the inland mountain of the North Yemen while the Ottoman controlled the coast and lowlands. The Idrisid rebelled in the south with British help. After the war, there was intermittent wars between the British and their Idrisid allies of the south vs Imam Yahya in the North from 1922 to 1934. This resulted in the British Adan mandate and Kingdom of North Yemen.
    Imam Yahya also in 1932-34 invaded Saudi Arabia, was beat with British help, lost some provinces and had to settle for their present border.

    • @TheDirtysouthfan
      @TheDirtysouthfan Před 4 lety

      I wouldn't say the British "supported" Al Saud. In fact what happened was that there was a British double agent who fed information to Al Saud that the Hashemite Kingdom of the Hejaz didn't have the capability to withstand an attack from Al Saud.

    • @tommy-er6hh
      @tommy-er6hh Před 4 lety

      @@TheDirtysouthfan POtato vs poTAto.

    • @TheDirtysouthfan
      @TheDirtysouthfan Před 4 lety +1

      @@tommy-er6hh The guy in question was a traitor who would convert to Islam and become a member of the Saudi government. His son was also a British Double Agent selling out his country this time to the USSR.

  • @pedroivobatiston2408
    @pedroivobatiston2408 Před 4 lety +5

    I have a special interest in this particular part of History and this is a great video (and there is a beautiful collection of books behind you). I have a profound fascination for the Middle East, and the video is very didactc and informative, as well as all the videos of this channel.

  • @vector7035
    @vector7035 Před 3 lety +4

    Learnt more history watching your channel than the 12 years I spent in school.

  • @fugeekue8741
    @fugeekue8741 Před 4 lety +3

    100 hundred years later, NOTHING has changed

  • @donkeysaurusrex7881
    @donkeysaurusrex7881 Před 4 lety +8

    Loved the episode, but I do have two quibbles. First, you correctly show Kuwait as a separate British area, but the shades of red for the borders and the “British mandates” make it easy to mistake it as part of Mesopotamia. This modern border between Kuwait and Saudi Arabia would not be set as shown until after British arbitration after fighting between them in the 1930s, but that’s a relatively minor thing.
    Second, Russia was also party to the Sykes-Picot Agreement which is why they were to gain territory in the partition. One might think the British and French were just going to give Russia land out of kindness without knowing that.

    • @jessealexander2695
      @jessealexander2695 Před 4 lety +3

      Keen eyes! As for Russia - yes, you are right, but since they became less relevant after 1917 we didn't emphasize their role too much, but it does get a mention.

  • @ibrahimg6068
    @ibrahimg6068 Před 4 lety +10

    We need more on Arabia

  • @neiloflongbeck5705
    @neiloflongbeck5705 Před 4 lety +16

    Whatever you do don't anger Middle Eastern carpenters. You'll never know what they'll do next. About 2000 years ago one started his own religion....

  • @bust-a-nut9050
    @bust-a-nut9050 Před 4 lety +7

    I see that Jesse is rocking the quarantine hairstyle.

  • @maciek_k.cichon
    @maciek_k.cichon Před 4 lety +5

    There's really nice movie about that, 'A Dangerous Man: Lawrence After Arabia' from 1992 with Ralph Fiennes and (Alexander) Siddig El-Fadil

    • @robertkopp873
      @robertkopp873 Před 4 lety +2

      Maciek K. Cichoń Agree with you. I have that on DVD.

    • @maciek_k.cichon
      @maciek_k.cichon Před 4 lety

      @@robertkopp873 I've watch it on VHS :D

  • @weltvonalex
    @weltvonalex Před 4 lety +8

    i like the stuff in your bookshelf

  • @harshbansal7982
    @harshbansal7982 Před 4 lety +12

    The thumbmail is me and the boys dividing the middle east like cake

  • @cassiusijeomah4239
    @cassiusijeomah4239 Před 9 měsíci +2

    Well Documented And Narrated

  • @tiggergolah
    @tiggergolah Před 4 lety +2

    I love the little artillery pieces on your shelf behind you. I have some on the shelf behind my desktop monitor... but my cat keeps climbing up there to knock them off the shelf.

  • @Guangrui
    @Guangrui Před 10 měsíci +2

    so it started

  • @kemalistdevrimturkaydnlanm168
    @kemalistdevrimturkaydnlanm168 Před 10 měsíci +2

    Arabs did not suffer under Turkish rule as they were considered a Holly race as Muhammad was an Arab , therefore they were left alone. One might argue they were not ruled properly.

  • @curlyfries2956
    @curlyfries2956 Před 2 lety +28

    Idk why but I absolutely love the fact that the Arabs were okay with Lawrence of Arabia wearing the traditional head garb, and they saw it as a sign of peace and respect

    • @arostwocents
      @arostwocents Před 7 měsíci +1

      "cultural appropriation" has been invented by posh whites. people have always been happy to share their culture throughout history

    • @dustylover100
      @dustylover100 Před 5 měsíci

      Lawrence was capable of relating with the Arabs on their terms.

  • @sapphyrus
    @sapphyrus Před 4 lety +5

    That decision to revolt opened up a century of infighting, division and pseudo-colonial rule that endures to this day.

  • @darthcalanil5333
    @darthcalanil5333 Před 4 lety +12

    the French hypocrisy is just baffling. Protector of the Christians that is somehow concerned with only a very specific tiny community, while ignoring the much larger Christian population all over Syria.
    In all honesty, I don't know whether an independent Hashimite kingdom would have been better, especially since the Arabs of the Hijaz have just as much to do with Syria and Mesopotamia as France and Britain. I hate to imagine a Saudi Arabia that extends from the Mediterranean to the Indian ocean.

    • @youngbloodbanana3376
      @youngbloodbanana3376 Před 4 lety

      Why?

    • @cdw2468
      @cdw2468 Před 4 lety +3

      but the house of Saud might not have been in charge

    • @hussainpainter52
      @hussainpainter52 Před 4 lety +6

      The Hashemite Dynasty is different from the House of Saud i.e. Saudi Arabia

    • @EnergizedGamingGuy
      @EnergizedGamingGuy Před 4 lety +1

      They are hypocrites. They were protecting Catholics

    • @AshGamer007
      @AshGamer007 Před 4 lety +2

      I think an independent Hashemites Kingdom controlling all of Arabia (The middle eastern part) will be better than what's going on today. If Saudi Arabia didn't existed Wahabism won't have the influence it has in the today's world. So Islamic Terrorism won't exist. Also after the abolition of Caliphate in Turkey. Hussein Bin Ali declared himself Caliph of all Muslims (But then he was ousted by the Sauds from Hejaz). The Hashemites are the descendants of Prophet Muhammed (SA.) through Ali and Fatema. So the Shia's won't have any problem having him as Caliph. Also the Wahabist calls the Shia's "Kafir" which fuels the Sunni Shia conflict today.

  • @kdakan
    @kdakan Před 2 lety +3

    In summary, middle east was invaded, not liberated, by the uk and to a little extent by france, and the majority of the population ended up being sorrow because their voices were not heard in the new political systems and the new country borders, as well as colonial mandate forced upon them.

    • @offshoretomorrow3346
      @offshoretomorrow3346 Před 10 měsíci

      So the British and French are still there in the land they didn't liberate?

  • @AvnerSenderowicz
    @AvnerSenderowicz Před 4 lety +14

    first part of the video is the most accurate (yet concise) explanation for the root of many of the problems in today's middle east.
    the latter part lost the historic narrative a little bit in favor of trying to define what self determination "should" mean - but self determination is an ideal that was never practiced, not even by pre world wars America, and any attempt to explain or define what people of the middle east want is doomed to failure. the region is too diverse, fractured and complex to allow this to be defined and for the narrative of the video to try to pursue this line of thinking is implicitly forgoing historical narrative and adopting a moral one. which is ironic because that's just what Wilson tried to do and failed.

  • @micahistory
    @micahistory Před 4 lety +1

    You're one of the only channels where I like that you make long videos

  • @culturehorse
    @culturehorse Před 4 lety +2

    It is the opion of the council that this segment was commendably highly informative and hereby petition high offices of TGW to coninue this narrative in a part 2 and subsequent segment(s) as necessary. Thanks. from nYc.

  • @jimcouch2348
    @jimcouch2348 Před 9 měsíci +1

    Very well done.

  • @claudermiller
    @claudermiller Před 4 lety +3

    Seeing the behavior of France and Great Britain I'm not so sure the better side won the war.

  • @micahistory
    @micahistory Před 4 lety +16

    The problem is that the British promised the land to everyone, making everyone unhappy

  • @AshGamer007
    @AshGamer007 Před 4 lety +4

    Fact: Hashemites calls themselves descendant of Prophet Muhammed (SA.) through Ali and Fatema. Hussain Bin Ali claimed himself as Caliph after the caliphate in Turkey was abolished.

  • @micahistory
    @micahistory Před 4 lety +26

    How many people do you want to promise the same land to?
    Uk: yes

  • @dps6198
    @dps6198 Před 10 měsíci +2

    You can blame the current mess in the Middle East on the British and the French for doing what they did back in 1920s after the war

  • @JasonSputnik
    @JasonSputnik Před 4 lety +2

    I'm up for the mandatory viewing! There's not a single video in which I don't learn much more, thanks a bunch!

  • @AstroRamiEmad
    @AstroRamiEmad Před 3 lety +2

    Amazing work and really rare to see this level of professionalism and historical accuracy of our region from a Western channel. Salam to you from Syria, and I'm looking forward to your coverage of the Great Syrian Revolution for Independence by Sultan Basha al-Attrash (Druze minority who was leading all Syrians from all sects to freedom and independence)

  • @thebunkerparodie6368
    @thebunkerparodie6368 Před 4 lety +2

    My parent: "no,you can't be a the great war channel patreon",also my parent "yes you can bought a book or some model"

  • @johnyns3437
    @johnyns3437 Před rokem

    Great video, well done on narrating events pretty accurately

  • @neurofiedyamato8763
    @neurofiedyamato8763 Před 4 lety +2

    I really liked this episode, I feel like you are presenting in a more natural format? Its not the background or camera work. Maybe the script? I'm not sure, but I like the way this was presented.

  • @micahistory
    @micahistory Před 4 lety +8

    I didn't know that the Sykes-Picot agreement was changed but it makes sense since France didn't do much

    • @jjeherrera
      @jjeherrera Před 4 lety +1

      Right! I used to blame it, ignoring the events were more complex than that.

    • @alioshax7797
      @alioshax7797 Před rokem +1

      I mean, France didn't do much in the Middle East, but was the main belligerant on the Western Front.

    • @micahistory
      @micahistory Před rokem +1

      @@alioshax7797 yes

  • @Dragblacker
    @Dragblacker Před 4 lety +3

    I'd propose a compromise between the "single Arab state" and "Sykes-Picot" plans:
    1) Excluding the Gulf States already under the British, split Arabia into two countries, Saudi Arabia and "Hashemite Arabia" aka "Greater Jordan", which would include Jordan, Syria and half of Iraq.
    2) The rest of Iraq can be Kurdistan; perhaps the whole area between the Euphrates and the Zagros Mountains (which separate Iran and modern Iraq), and between the modern Turkish border and Baghdad.
    3) Exclude from Hashemite Arabia modern-day Lebanon (for the Maronite Christians) and the British Mandate (which will become Israel)
    Lebanon would be under the French or at least French influence until some later date when full independence is granted. Likewise the Syrian and Iraqi portions of this greater Hashemite Kingdom would have French and British spheres of influence respectively until some later date. Maybe Kurdistan too would have British protection.
    Would this bring peace? Not necessarily, not unless you stamp out all jihadi movements. But it'll at least get rid of the issue of arbitrary nations carved out of nothing.

    • @AshGamer007
      @AshGamer007 Před 4 lety

      The Wahabism ideology funded by The Sauds is cause of Terrorism. So existence of the Sauds can never bring peace in Middle East

    • @aurangzeb_art
      @aurangzeb_art Před rokem

      Jihad means struggle

  • @petercroves8562
    @petercroves8562 Před 4 lety +3

    Husayn nd of Jordan [1952-1999] was the Great-grandson of Husayn 1st , King of Hijaz[1916-1924]

  • @JimJohnson777
    @JimJohnson777 Před 4 lety +3

    “Things would not be as simple as the French and the British had expected.”

  • @seethrough_treeshrew
    @seethrough_treeshrew Před 4 lety +2

    I wonder what the Middle East would look like if France and Britain would've just packed up and left after the war.

    • @Shinji_1943
      @Shinji_1943 Před 4 lety +1

      There would still have been conflict between religious or ethnic groups.

    • @seethrough_treeshrew
      @seethrough_treeshrew Před 4 lety

      @@Shinji_1943 And how can you be so sure?

    • @Shinji_1943
      @Shinji_1943 Před 4 lety

      @@seethrough_treeshrew Where ever there is differences there is conflict. Not saying it would be everlasting but there still would have undoubtedly been conflict between say Shia or Sunni blocs for influence in the region, between Persians, Turks, Arabs or Kurds or even plainly over ideology like we have seen elsewhere across the globe, Monarchy versus Republic, Socialism versus Capitalism, Religious versus Secular.

  • @hannahskipper2764
    @hannahskipper2764 Před 4 lety +1

    How did I miss this episode??
    Great job...🤦‍♀️

  • @ivvan497
    @ivvan497 Před 4 lety +8

    House tour when?

  • @kevinconrad6156
    @kevinconrad6156 Před 4 lety +2

    18:28, what a lovely house.

  • @CMAzeriah
    @CMAzeriah Před 4 lety +2

    British and French occupation of the Middle East resulted in the rise of the house of Saud in Arabia. Thanks to them, thousands of Americans have died avenging September 11th, 2001.

    • @George-cr6jq
      @George-cr6jq Před 4 lety +2

      America becomed one of the biggest allies of the Saud family , if somebody is to blame it is your own goverment not the french or the british

    • @stephenjenkins7971
      @stephenjenkins7971 Před 3 lety +1

      @@George-cr6jq Nope, it was the British and French's fault. The Sauds would exist even without US alliance, and would instead turn to other patrons. The question was just which one.

  • @adameckard4591
    @adameckard4591 Před 2 lety +1

    This conference could be considered the most important post WW1 conference of all. We feel the impact in the new millennium.

  • @edward6902
    @edward6902 Před 10 měsíci

    a lot of slim customers in bowler hats…and it has all worked out so well

  • @duckman12569
    @duckman12569 Před 4 lety +1

    Cool Father model in the background.

  • @invisiondesign9955
    @invisiondesign9955 Před 10 měsíci +2

    Jordan is a Palestinian state which took 70% of the British Mandate.

  • @MrBigCookieCrumble
    @MrBigCookieCrumble Před 4 lety +1

    Jesse got such sharp eyes that when he's this close it's like.. he can see.. through my soul O.O
    Also, with that white shine in his pupils im beginning to suspect he's infact a synth from bladerunner.. Wich would make him a.. time travelling ww1 historian synth!

    • @AO00720
      @AO00720 Před 4 lety

      New country:what am i?
      Great Britain:Palestine/Israel. You figure it out.

  • @atourversace4032
    @atourversace4032 Před 3 lety +1

    Great job.

  • @jovanweismiller7114
    @jovanweismiller7114 Před 4 lety +2

    I want to check out the books in your 'COVID-19 lockdown studio'!!

  • @sebastianromansorg519
    @sebastianromansorg519 Před 4 lety

    Thank you for the great and informative video.
    This will help me alot in my A levels :)

  • @thechief00
    @thechief00 Před 4 lety +1

    nice book collection jesse

    • @thechief00
      @thechief00 Před 4 lety

      also jealous of the tank and gun models back there

  • @jaixzz
    @jaixzz Před 10 měsíci

    00:22 "... had been an active theatre of fighting..." ?

  • @Autobotmatt428
    @Autobotmatt428 Před 4 lety +1

    And thus giving way to many of are modern conflicts

  • @wrightgraham1677
    @wrightgraham1677 Před 4 lety +1

    What are the chances of you ever releasing a dvd format of previous episodes. I would love to be able to watch the whole.series withoit always starting new videos

  • @habibhabib4505
    @habibhabib4505 Před 3 lety

    Long time no see this real kind of documentaries

  • @anitalorenz8658
    @anitalorenz8658 Před 10 měsíci +1

    The San Remo Conference .... the Arabs weren't invited. In fact Emir Feisal was prevented from attending ... he was summarily sent on his way. We see the results of these murky dealings today.

  • @simonwaldock9689
    @simonwaldock9689 Před 4 lety

    Thank you for continuing to produce content during the lockdown, it is appreciated. I'm now going to be incredibly geeky. I think the markings on the Mk.1 tank are anachronistic. IIRC the white-red-white markings were used for identification after the German army had captured a number of Mk.IVs long after the Mk.1s were withdrawn from service.

    • @jessealexander2695
      @jessealexander2695 Před 4 lety +1

      You might be right - please send all complaints to the Cobi company ;)

  • @micahistory
    @micahistory Před 4 lety

    I always love it when you upload

  • @johno1396
    @johno1396 Před 4 lety +1

    Look up the king Crane report of 1919.

    • @jimslancio
      @jimslancio Před 11 měsíci

      Yes. The King-Crane Commission studied what the indigenous people wanted. Its report said a lot of things the colonizers didn't want to hear, but predicted much of what has happened since then. King-Crane should be much better known.

  • @raymondhorvath2406
    @raymondhorvath2406 Před 4 lety +1

    Hi would be great if you could do a special on Australian sacrifice in ww1 from 1914-1918 from Europe to Middle East for a small nation the ANZACS had a appalling death injury rate from our boys as a Australian we often get overlooked .thank you keep up the great work

  • @colinwoodall6150
    @colinwoodall6150 Před 4 lety

    love the MkV tank model on the shelf Jesse

  • @valentinstoyanov304
    @valentinstoyanov304 Před 4 lety +1

    "Natural borders" - how clear and un-vague :-)

  • @giorgigio3502
    @giorgigio3502 Před 4 lety

    very interesting info thx for your work

  • @TankerBricks
    @TankerBricks Před 4 lety +1

    Oof... Locals: Hey its our territory! Britain and France: Nah don't think so bro...

  • @ceausescu247
    @ceausescu247 Před 4 lety +1

    "Western Thrace was under temporary management of the Entente led by French General Charles Antoine Charpy. In the second half of April 1920 in San Remo conference of the prime ministers of the main allies of the Entente powers (except the US) Western Thrace was given to Greece"
    I cannot find the San Remo conference anywhere regarding West Thrace. Can anyone point me to the right direction?

    • @ceausescu247
      @ceausescu247 Před 4 lety +1

      The treaty of Neuilly required Bulgaria:
      to cede Western Thrace to the Entente (which awarded it to Greece at the San Remo conference) thereby cutting off Bulgaria's direct outlet to the Aegean Sea.

  • @petercroves8562
    @petercroves8562 Před 4 lety +1

    Hi from peter in Woodstock ONT Canada--Keep safe and you doing Great with all going on, Hussein is some times known as Hussein 1st, while the father of today's king of the Kingdom of Jordan is sometimes called Hussein 2nd[this is in regards to the Dynasty-not what was ruled I would like to point out]

  • @aldemir6127
    @aldemir6127 Před 4 lety

    I can't wait to hear the remaining of the turmoil.

  • @jarrahdrum
    @jarrahdrum Před 4 lety

    fascinating, thank you so much