***WARNING*** A Fake Silver Bar has made its way into my stack. The Silver Killer has been had!!!
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- čas přidán 4. 12. 2014
- A FAKE silver bar has made its way into my stack! How did it get there? Test your silver bars today! I have placed this fake bar above all others that I have. This bar has taught me a lesson about fake silver and how to not get burned again. I paid $23.77 for this bar on EbaY. I informed the ebay seller about this bar and he wanted to refund me. I refused the refund because I wanted to keep the bar. It stands as a symbol in my collection and I show it to many other "silverheads". Stay vigilant fellow stackers. Keep both eyes open and remember ...not all that shines is silver.
When I was 18 I had a quarter that just would not go into a soda machine. I politely asked one of my coworkers if they would swap quarters with me. I tossed my quarter onto the table and it made a distinctly different sound than a normal quarter. At that table was one of my coworkers in his late fifties. He snatched that quarter out of mid air and happily gave me a quarter that worked. He had a huge grin on his face and told me that the quarter I was trying to use was made of silver and was worth far more than 25 cents. At the time I really could have cared less, but since then I check all of my change. I used to tap them against other change to see, but I then realized that a silver quarter would not have the discoloration in the edge. I have come across almost 20 silver quarters and a few silver dollars since then, all from change. It has to be one of the most valuable lessons I have ever learned.
but if it hit the table how did he snatch it out of mid air.
Dylan Warren maybe it bounced or the guy through it in excitement and catched it.
You can also just check the dates.
U didnt lose out on but a couple dollars. If that's ur worst lesson u r doing just fine.
Cute
Always buy from dealers like JM bullion, SD Bullion, Monarch, etc. Just buy from reputable dealers.
I make sure all my purchases are through known mints & directly from them
John Newman true man. wtf would u buy from Ebay or shit. u have to go directly with the produxers like apmex or the us mint.
But.... how will you sell them...
Subtle Name sell to coin shops.. or in person where people can’t test on site.
I had no idea that a 1oz bar of silver would even be worth faking? I knew about the 10oz bars & silver eagles, but a 1oz generic bar is sickening ... Don't throw the fakes away .. Educate with those fake bars or coins if you ever come across those sir. Great video & thank you for sharing sir ..
Thank you so much for watching. Stay tuned!
I was just thinking the same thing. Gucci I understand but who goes through all that trouble to fake KMART !!! lol
+Philip Young Agreed, this is like counterfeiting a $1 bill. It doesn't make any sense, which I suppose is exactly why they're doing it. Who would suspect?
+Philip Young Its actually more common for one ounce coins and bars to be faked
+Jackie Sue Miller KMart does silver? I'm Canadian and we don't have KMarts here but I know that it's basically like Walmart.
good video, thanks for showing me how to test silver
i got excited from your 1 gram bar video and bought my first silver on ebay to see what it feels like. it should be arriving today! super stocked
thanks again man
This is exactly why eBay is a no no for gold and silver. I would recommend sticking to the big name companies like apmex , provident metals. For one your metals are insured. And also they have very competitive prices. Apmex offers free shipping at the moment and provident metals has items that you can add on for free shipping. At provident metals your paying about 60 cents over spot for some silver and your metals are once again insured. I don't see a reason to buy anywhere else.
I buy from Ampex through eBay and other big companies on eBay as well.
The us mint is my fav i also buy us silver coins for really cheap with no up sale
alex rodriguez it's not just eBay hate to break it to you it's state sponsored counterfeit gold and silver you just have to face... You can have a taste but someone already owns All the steak...and the gold rush is a gold bluff it's just like currency you can aquire some through hard work but that's it just a taste
A LONG time ago (silver was around $6 oz), I bought 80 bars on ebay. Paid $80 for INSURED shipping.
40 bars turned up, when I queried this the seller emailed me a receipt for $11 in postage, then never responded to another message. To cap it all off?? EVERY BAR IS A FAKE!!!
Thanks for the heads up, it sucks, but there'r out there...both fake silver and bad sellers. Oh, and I subbed too!!
I'm new to stacking, but thanks to vids like this, I am super vigilant and will only purchase from reputable dealers, i.e., APMEX, JM and SD Bullion. Thx for sharing SK!
Thanks for the heads up. I’m just now starting I’m buying 2 pieces every two weeks after payday, 3 American Eagles to every 2 Maple Leaf coins, additionally I’ve purchased two one oz silver pour billions all from a Local Coin Shop. Is this a pretty good practice? Soon I’ll be buying online from one of the big companies but I uncomfortable buying from EBay. Any suggestions?
I just bought 6 oz identical bars today. Reputable dealer. New to this. Next to stagecoach does sound a little different but the stagecoach is scored in 1/4 oz. I do not know enough to do an acid test. I bought 2 10 oz bars along with other. Any suggestions? Thank you
Never buy from eBay silver or gold
why not? just get it tested at your local shop upon receipt. if its fake paypal will always side with the buyer
MonkofAu the problem is that most people won’t find out that they got a counterfeit. They will carry it for decades thinking that they got the real thing.
@@bobmarsh9571 agree with that point, but he was saying one should NEVER do it which is not true
I bought 10 of them in one shot. I feel your pain. That's why I'm so anti ebay. just go directly through the themselves. Save yourself the heartache.
Thanks for the video. Could you please do a specific gravity test on the bar? I would be curious what the results would be. Thanks again.
That fake bar was brass. Had it been pure copper you probably wouldn't have noticed it was fake. Copper is only slightly lighter than silver so the small amount it must be thicker to have correct weight would probably not be noticed as they all seems a little different because of their minting. However on pure copper magnet would slide only a few % faster than on pure silver. Not something anybody would notice unless done on a lab in controlled environment with something of exact same size to compare with and with sophisticated measuring instruments.
The "funny" thing is that making them of pure copper wouldn't make them that much more expensive to make as brass to begin with is most copper anyway. The zinc however alters is ability to conduct current significantly and that's why the magnet slide down fast - there's almost no eddy currents compared to pure silver or copper.
The magnet test is pretty amazing if you haven't tried it. Most of us have only ever seen magnets either stick, or not. But the weird way silver reacts with a magnet is surprising when you try it yourself. Videos just don't do it justice. I wonder though, if something that is silver plated would do the same thing.
Pretty nuts... I'm wary of buying anything that's not from a dealer for this reason. Thanks for the important lesson. subbed!
where did you get the re magnet that you used for the sound check?
Thanks for the info. I actually have some silver town bars, I will have to check them. I lost a lot of faith in E Bay buying old coins. I stick with JM Bullion now.
Man I have built the ultimate mag-tester for both coins and bars. I don’t remember where I read about how to do this or I would pass the info on but you take two very powerful computer Hard Drive magnets and bolt them together making a slot between them to drop your coin or bar through. Silver passes through very slowly as fakes just drop like a rock and of course steel sticks so hard that it’s actually hard to remove it.
Best mag-tester I’ve ever used! Maybe I’ll get over my cam-fear and make a vid in this. Lol
Wow. That's disturbing. I'll have to be very careful too. Thank you for alerting us.
What acid are you using? I thought the nitric acid/muriatic acid chemical is supposed to be a red brown if it is actually silver. It's supposed to turn a blue or turquoise color if fake.
WOW! I'm so glad I ran across your video before I bought from ebay from some scammer! Thank you so much for letting us know! I have a question about the acid test. If you use a drop of acid on a real silver bar, what happens? I want to buy some silver bars for the purpose of rolling them out to make jewelry, but I don't want to get ripped off. Should I or can I go directly to Silver Towne to get my silver bars?
BTW the "slide the magnet" test you were doing is an intersting idea for a test, I like that! That effect is called "magnetic braking", look up "eddy currents" (or watch several videos here) for more information. That will unfortunately happen with a lot of non-ferrous metals. I wasn't able to quickly find a table of what metals brake better, but I believe its proportional to elecrtical conductivity. So silver, gold, *and* coper *and* aluminum will all brake well, with copper being the most popular for both braking demonstrations. (*and* coin counterfeiting) I tested a large copper (999) coin as well as an aluminum heat sink, a Morgan and Peace (900 silver 100 copper), and a Sealand (999 silver) dollar. All four braked well, including the heat sink, with very slighty better braking on the pure copper, too minor to measure reliably by my simple testing. Angle and surface texture introduce too much uncertainty.
thank you for sharing that !!! I just bought some silver on Ebay so I'm going to double check it when it gets here.
I buy alot off of eBay. I have only 1 fake silver bar, but stay tuned..... Fake gold bars are coming.......
To all those that are against buying off eBay, there are reputable dealers even on eBay. For example: SD bullion, MCM, Apmex. So eBay buying doesn't have to be risky
Thank you This was very scary to me . I have the same bar from the silvertowne mint as shown in the video. I had problems over the past few years with there coins as well. Never would I thought they would issue fakes.. I did not know if you purchased the coin directly from Silvertowne.. Thanks for the warning T C
Thank you for the insight friend.
I normally just go straight to the mint shop to buy my silver coins. Thanks for sharing 👍👍👍
Question : why do some of your bars not contain serial numbers on the front? They are just silver blocks with no writing.
Where do you get the cases for the bars?
I didn't even think that faking one oz bars was profitable. I'm glad you learned an important lesson and you are willing to educate others though. Sorry you got burned.
Thanks for letting us know. I also noticed the fake reads, One Ounce and not One TROY ounce. Thank you for showing us.
All the silvertowne one ounce bars say that, even the real ones from the mint
Thank you for sharing. God bless!
Funny I literally checked my entire stash today before seeing this (took about an hour with everything). I even cut open some of my (20) sheets of bullions to check. Best thing to do is check all of them when they come in.
Did all 4 Test I know. One batch worried me with noise but like you said, some cast them differently and the sound can be a little different.
(1) Noise Ping (2) Magnet slide (3) Ice fast melting (4) weight.
I’ve test, how do you do this?
Congrats on 1k subs.. found this in the trending section
Where did you buy the fake bar? It's good and to know and share with others so people could avoid those sellers, I usually put the silver in small baggies and I write the name of seller so if ever my coin turns out to be a fake I know exactly who sold it to me.
Thank you for sharing. Most people never want to admit that they'd been had. I know what to look for. Thanks again.
do you buy on eBay a lot or was this the first time? I am wanting to start collecting silver I have been looking on e Bay but not sure how to tell if it is real
If you really want to buy silver/gold, do yourself a huge favor and skip ebay altogether. "Silver Killer" has another (more recent) video where he acknowledges he bought 6 fake gold bars on ebay. Unfortunately the $20 lesson here on fake silver wasn't costly enough.
There are plenty of reputable bullion dealers (APMEX and JM Bullion, to name two) where you can buy online and have a sale price directly tied to the minute-by-minute spot price. You can also be certain they're selling you the real deal.
Some think they'll get lucky on an ebay auction and buy silver, etc below spot price. Their hope (and greed) is why the counterfeits get sold there. Meanwhile, you can complain to ebay the silver was fake, but the seller can claim ignorance and keep doing what they're doing...
by the gold he said a reputable dealer
both apmex and jm bullion sell on ebay
and sometimes they have better deals on ebay than on their own site
Im not a silver expert but I picked that bar out right away. It just looked off but I cant tell you what it was.
Picked the fake out straight away, it stands out like a sore thumb.
Would weighing it work?
Also what's that spot on the fake bar. Didnt that give any hint as to it being fake. It is a well done fake. Thx for help
Thank you for the info.
Bro would u say I would ever be on risk if I buy directly from apmex , jmbullion or us mint. websites. i mean how could u end up with counterfeit like that
Sorry to hear that. One of the many problems with ebay.
Not just a eBay problem. My buddy bought a fake 2013 panda from his LCS, sent me a pic saying he was all excited and I immediately noticed it was a fake. A LCS owner here picked up 200ozs of rounds from the local PM dealer and found a fake in one of the tubes. That same LCS owner also bought a 5oz silver plated cooper round from a customer. If you educate yourself like I have you will never buy fakes unless it's on purpose. I've notified tons of eBay sellers they were selling fakes and most were big sellers that had no idea. I've only ever bought two fakes and that was on purpose because a guy had a lot of 12 rounds listed and he had 2 rare 1986 Engelhard Everest rounds in that lot that I wanted real bad so I won the lot, returned the two fakes for a refund and sold the two everest rounds on eBay for $115 buy it now and $68 at auction so I ended up with 8ozs I paid like $30 for after it was all said & done.
Just needs some peoples advice, which bars do you think I should purchase - smaller ones like 100-250g or bigger bars like 1000g? Which one would sell easily in a coin shop/pawn shop?
smaller ones sell easier. the large bars are harder to sell.
xYouthAttackx thank you
1 OUNCE ARE EASIER TO DISPOSE OF IN A FIAT ECONOMY IF NEED BE ....
John Swanson yep! i go high as 5 ounce but that's it. junk silver coins are probably the most easiest to sell.
Awesome video Bubba. You got a subscribe from me. I'm thinking of getting into it all and I'm doing my research.
Just purchased multiple Silver T. Bars. 1oz. To the 10oz. Any many. Was from BGASC. Do these large volume dealers test before selling? I'd like to know. What's cheapest way to test? Where to get rare earth magnet?
Think Tank k&j magnetics
You have to pick up the bar and put tip of your finger and tap it at the edge of the bar. You can’t tell like that, copper also does the same thing when you use an earth magnet.
I bought a few bars off ebay n haven't gotten any fakes but I don't buy off ebay anymore sadly because of this issue. Im sorry that u received one
And it's a Silver Towne bar!! Go to ebay, type in "silver" and Silver Towne is the first result you'll get... Man, Ebay Sucks!
Now I know why the 1oz silver town I got in a lot of secondary market generic from apmex was drilled into.
copper slows a neodymium magnet
Barberman really are u sure ?
Not like silver
True.
Does led slow neodymium magnet? Why I'm asking is because it has pretty close density to silver. So why those fakers aren't using lead to fake silver bars?
@@BrandonAndrewLocklear też a little bit faster than silver but.
Thanks for showing ..
Dang, thanks for the heads up.
It's shiny. Glossy. Most real minted coins or bars have a frosty "wagon wheel" from the very high pressure dies that is very hard (not financially feasible) to replicate.
I would not ever buy one on ebay.
+Joshua Vanwormer There are some reputable dealers on eBay like APMEX and Bay Precious Metals. Stick to the BIG boys.
+Joseph Gaffney right on
I'm in the UK and did the same soon after starting to stack 5 years ago. i.e, inexperienced. I bought 10 of those off Ebay but luckily spotted they were too thick, filed one edge which showed brass and got refunded. Lesson learnt! Legit bullion dealers only now for me.
Thanks for the heads up. I mostly buy from the big dealers, but I still test everything I receive...even the rounds. So far, no fakes detected.
The specific gravity test several people have demonstrated is non-destructive. In combination with the magnet and weight test, you should be fairly confident of legitimacy. To be sure, only destructive tests will prove it real.
Check salivate metal's vid on his testing.
How do you know if it is fake without the test?
I own an ebay store, I sell vintage books. I can see how you can get scammed on ebay. I've seen fake store fronts that even look legit. I won't buy much of anything from ebay for silver or electronics. It's good for collectibles, toys and housewares. I only buy PM from reputable mints. Thanks for posting the vid. It's good to warn people. You 20 bucks is worth more than you know to newbies.
Great set of bars ;)
I just purchased the same dam bar on eBay and will receive it in three days and I'm praying that it won't be fake and if this bar ends up to be fake then I will never buy from eBay again unless it junk silver coins. Thank you for the heads upn
Test it for sure! It is most likely real though. I order silver from eBay all the time and this is the ONLY fake silver that I have encountered. Thanks for watching!
Any update on this?
good experience !!!!!!!!! thank you so much
Lay 2 silver bars of the same weight (1 genuine bar & 1 under test) on the kitchen counter top and do the ice test. The ice should melt rapidly and in the same time. Bars having the ssme weight and area dimensions but different thickness are suspect.Compare to a genuine bar.
Thank you for the PSA
Can you not buy on Ebay and test it as soon as you get it? Just return it if it's fake/report them.
What is that magnet? And where did you get it?
Neodymium.
lesson number one never buy precious metals such as gold or silver from eBay always buy from trusted dealer like jm bullion or silver. com you pay little extra but you know you getting real stuff and all grams.
Please test the electrical resistance using an economy volt meter. Silver has less resistance than copper.
Now, did you buy this SilverTowne bar from the SilverTowne seller on ebay? or did another ebay seller sell that silvertowne bar to you?
Thx for sharing your knowledge
However, ebay is sure dangerous i rather get gold n silver from an authorised retailer eventhough the prices might be higher but it worth not to get me worried
For some reason, my eye went straight to the fake silver bar before you even started.
You might be having some strong intuitive abilities. :)
Jonathan Green I saw it too I'm like that looks cheap as fuck
agentgates that cursive lookin one
Me too. The color was far too dark from normal silver.
Great you found it out. Wow
Tough break SILVER KILLER! I hope you ran that seller down and got a refund. That makes me feel sick!
do you use capsules to store you bullion????
kacper martyniak i would recommend if your willing to pay the price for the capsules
Thank you
Johnson Matthey bars are real nice looking. Apmex is probably the best deals on those 1 oz. but I hate fake shit on eBay. Way too many fake stuff on there, not just silver.
80% is fake/cheap knock off. Thats what its now.
where can you buy a test kit for silver?
+daniel Lamb ....ebay...ironically enough.
Is this seller legit? www.ebay.com/usr/silverguyzz?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2754
I buy my silver with this seller now i am worried..LOL
Check it asap
Daniel Bull Runner Lamb yeah i think he is legit becuse he sells the 1 oz year of the dog lunar coin that just came out and it usually takes over a year for some one to come up with a fake
I guessed which bar it was right away. Those silvertowne bars get faked so much and they're all over eBay for like 4$ for an "ounce of silver".. lol
Oh, and thank you for the Video!!!
I would love to buy the "fakes" for my 10 year old nephew who would DIE to have "silver/gold" bars or what ever to add to his collection. I would of course tell him they are counterfeit/ fake but he would still love them.
That "fine silver" is the one i thought first
they plate it with silver so it looks real. But the diagmanetic property of silver is unmatched, good way to find a fake. Where did you buy that fake bar?
if you go to ebay and type clad gold or silver bars, you will find hundreds of them.
+VIDEOSUPERHIGHWAY Copper is even more Diamagnetic so if they filled it with pure copper and plated it with silver and tweeked the weight the world would never know. Coins are a lot harder to fake unless the dye sneeks out the mint a well trained eye is the only detector.
Excellent video, thank you... Where is that accent from?
Frame and hang it up as a lesson learned - never forget!
I never buy from Amazon or Ebay craigslist ect. always buy from trusted dealer or mints keep buying the JM bars there really desirable there are a few other brands to . Google it and buy them up so you can mark them up later based on the name and quality of metal.
Great video, I had to do the neodymium magnet test to see if my coins were real... they were real, thank fk' for that.
very nice bars silver killa
as always keep on stacking cheap silver
Everyone can make a mistake, live n learn. I have heard rumors about the silvertowne on Ebay
great info.. keep the mistake with you to remind your self not to be fooled again...
Absolutely! I actually keep this bar out in plain view to remind me to be careful. Thanks for watching!
yes... I purchased a 1oz bar for $50...my mistake...but it was real and it was at a nonprofit place so I wasn't upset..
I pointed it out
you can do an other test too.
i have a good experience through real and fake silver rings.
sound test (as you did).
ice cube because silver is a great water conductor.
take 2 peaces of metal( one is silver and other).
if you put the metal let say iron it will be kind of cold.
and then put your silver the ice cube should melt and the silver should be really cold.
if you guys need advice for scales and safe box let me know
I have more than 750 Morgan's! Maybe I should nickname myself & waste my days away recording myself rambling on & on & on on the you tubes! lol;)
thank you
mang your channel and your videos are truly inspiring, I WANNA BE LIKE YOU WHEN I GROW UP hahhahaahah LMAO...ONE OF THE BEST SILVER STACKING VIDEOs up there, inspired me to make my own channel....THANK YOU
I spotted it right off the hop!! Lucky guess or what!! :)
Specific gravity is my test of choice.
ping test is best method because you can do it without tools and it's reliable when you know how the sound is supposed to be
Meta MGTOW The ping sound is always deeper on real silver.
Meta MGTOW Ping does not work out very well for all rounds.. case in point is the Incuse Indians.. FYI..
I recommend using an acid test. Using just sound is kind of gambling.
Meta MGTOW Just what's ping testing? Can you explain how to do it with 1 to 10 oz. Bars. Thanks.