Strip down boiler service what should we charge in 2024 ? customers what are you willing to pay ?
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- Derek in this video carries out a full strip down service on an ideal vogue combination boiler and asks how much should engineers charge and how much are customers willing to pay in 2024. Put in the comments what you think.
Hi Derek, Not the answer I was expecting that customer tell you how much to charge? In 2000 I charged £80 + £20 if just out of town, Installers coming to me in 2020 charged £60 because they are frightened to upset of loose customers. I had a reputation in Bedford as the best boiler engineer and the most expensive in town.
Boiler change was 1 month delay 33% deposit cash or card, repairs 1 week delay. If anyone haggled a lower price I walk out or they pay cash in advance.
That's how to run a very successful PROFITABLE business,
God bless you and Merry Christmas to all. 🥰👍
All the best mate
Couldn't agree more we don't do it because we like the work
Hi Steve, only Gas Safe installers want to charge LESS and be UNDER PAID because they are frightened and want customers to dictate my wages, can you imagine us telling them how must to earn? Thanks for comment, George @@steveholloway1963
I'm about 15 miles from you, callout / simple full service starts at 85. I get the odd, I'll let you know (usually elderly and LL), but not many.
Dear Ian,
Thanks for the comment, the problem is in 2000 I was charging £80 for a service or boiler check, what was the cost of petrol diesel gas and electric then and today 2023/4? Far far too many are charging £60 or even £80 WHY are we so cheap??? We have loads of brilliant engineers who UNDER value their skill level. I got rid of bad payers to the opposition who stayed poor and kept the best payers. I sold expertness friendly local reliable, my customers liked that. Now you know, take care. Charge at least £100 you will feel better, Remember YOU run a business!🤩👍 @@lemmykilmister450
£100 labour plus parts. I always ask customer to send me picture of boiler with GC no. so I can download MIs to see if gasket replacements are required etc. Also If boiler is over 5 years old I give them option to replace electrodes.....especially if its a worcester greenstar.
Clean trap after you clean HE. Pointless cleaning it out twice and is just a waste if time in the real world
I carry out the same procedure as on the video and charge £90 plus vat. Remember the vat is the governments not mine, still have to have the corrected tools and calibration certificate for my analyser and also need to drive to the job using my van and diesel. 90 quid is fair in my opinion.
£90 cash is fair…nudge nudge, wink wink
That’s cheap for a strip down!
That's bargain.
Lots of major gas companies want 10-12 services a day ‘me thinks not possible’ 😅
They call them safety checks not services, and are not concerned with manufacturers warranty, as they want to charge a monthly fee for peace of mind. Basically rouge traders, yet they get all the government support and hood wink gassafe.
@@user-ui6oh2pr7hBang on that.
As soon as colleges changed to universities, lectures salaries tripled, it's a trend 😅
Yeah amazing, BG do all that in 10 mins!
My one year old Vogue had its first full service with a strip down by a manufacturer accredited engineer to keep the extended warranty going.. £96 inc VAT. Took about an hour including cleaning out the heat exchanger and photographing it but he didn’t check the inhibitor strength. I did it afterwards and it was under strength so I then added more.
If it’s 1 year old I doubt it would have needed a strip down 🧐
£80+ vat sounds right for a boilers first service though 👍
@@PlumbExe so £106 all in?
No need to open the boiler prv once you know the ev pressure is higher than the system pressure as no water will be displaced. Great video again getting conversation flowing.
interesting... I've not thought about it like that. 👍 I think its bad practice to use the PRV and I'd always use the boiler drain point.
You can get someone else to turn the gas off at the ECV to test FSD, or appliance isolation valve if present! Thanks for the video.
Hi Mate
Thank you for sharing your knowledge. Just passed my ACS back in December 2023. Have now more questions than answers. Your video really helps.
What would you charge for that service Derek?
That’s very thorough and definitely not what every gas engineer would cover. A lot do the bare minimum and charge around £50. In out and onto the next.
Was always told to never use the prv when charging expansion vessels etc. Fair chance you disturb them and they don't re-seat correctly. Bad practice. Also I wouldn't be disturbing burner seals on a new-ish boiler with the FGA readings all within range. Making things harder for yourself and probably having to pass the time/cost of doing such things on to the customer. Which when you consider this is probably a service to maintain the warranty the customer was probably not long out of pocket for getting the thing fitted and would appreciate the lower cost over the strip down service that wasn't really required.
The prv is a safety valve and you should be checking its function, and ideal require the main burner to be cleaned on an annual basis.
@@craigwatson7692 you're wrong I'm afraid.
@LT-nd3ov no I'm not, read the manufacturers instructions, it's there in black and white
If you want to strip out burners on 1 year old boilers that are analysing correctly with no issues and disturb their prv's then crack on but (imo) you're a mug my friend but each to their own.
@LT-nd3ov so I'm a mug because I service boilers correctly? Servicing is about maintaining boiler cleanliness and performance, your not supposed to wait till the burner needs cleaning, your job is make sure it doesn't get to that point in the first place.
enjoy your videos and your 'no-nonsense' presentation, very refreshing in a world where everyone around us is going mad, common sense seems to be very much in short supply.
You start the tightness test at the first press of the number "9", as per TB 112
Wouldn’t strip a 1 year old boiler unless figures are indicating it needs it. I get you want to show it for the purpose of the video though.
Captain obvious over here 😂
I agree I'm sure I saw a bit of editing getting it out. In real life no need to take it out
All ideals needs strip serviced everytime as per MI. You can reuse seals so no excuse
Yep, every service the burner needs to come out.
Except it isn't, its only if it fails the co/co2 ratio ie it is greater than 0.004@@Purebeltersteve
This is the answer. It’s not a country wide same price.
You charge 2x your hourly rate plus parts with 25% mark up.
Standard service x 1 hour.
Obviously you can strip it in 1 hour but you’ve had to pick up parts and need to earn money!
Always check water quality and price for cleaning and inhibitor, even if just quotes for further works.
Check radiators for leaks, uneven heating ect and quote for further works.
Check for things like cwst being lagged. Things up to current standards. If not put in a quote!
Explain the 2 types of services and why they’re important,
Offer to range rate the boiler and balance system to reduce fuel bills!!
System upgrades ect.
New smart stat. Ask what they’d like then supply it.
Go earn your money!!!
Another master class how much would you charge? George Staszak 🥰👍
On that particular meter if you press 9 3 times as you did it will give you the operating load that the boiler is using in kw
Wow, that's a gas rate/heat input sorted out!
You were right to open the PRV in my opinion. It is a safety device and should be tested during the service. That’s the reason it has a manual way of opening it. They can fail to open.
The risk is if you open the PRV first without checking the water clarity, debri can get stuck and cause the PRV to let water pass constantly
I have same inhibitor test kit which dose seem to read alot of inhibitors, but not all and I belive we should send away cost of £75 to test other inhibitors?last installations was 11 years old I recommended a cleaner and flush out and new inhibitor. Turning any valve has risk of leaking so I prefer to monitor pressure during combustion test, last time I have caused leak on boiler flow, return valve I had to buy set of 6 cost £150, out of warrenty boilers use care on valves
was that on an alpha buy any chance?
Got the Adey kit. It failed a brand new system I did, so I did it again ( app, photo etc), with a brand new strip which I didn't even use, it failed even worse. It's a bit of a con, £150 for a kit that giving me incorrect results 😑
@elwittinio2865 we have had the same issue with the Adey kits. Fails a system and then re-tested it in a brighter light and it passed? Not sure it's worth the money but we still use it
just one point.... nip outside & check the warning pipe aint dripping after fiddling with the prv. (remove the head & clean & grease the seating if so) lots of recalls based on simple stuff like that.
I forgot to add that i love this chanel .Happy new your to you your loved ones and all your fans.
Thank you for sharing with us your vast knowledge😊
Happy new year to you too and thanks
Why you stripping a 1 year old burner ? You have to every year on that boiler? I usually do when figures are poor or if is clear hasn't been done in a long time.
Ive been charging £95 but depends on boiler make. Had a lot of issues with ecotecs so now adding prv and pressure sensor on top as they are always worth replacing…..not every year of course 👍🏼😄
Heck of a lot more comprehensive than the last drive by inspection I had which lasted about 15 minutes.
Great in depth video Derek only critism working pressure at the meter and appliance should be tested with the boiler on maximum and 3 gas rings on
Regards Wayne Brown
It’s changed you do the appliances separately now and if you think you have low incoming pressure you do the largest appliances on 100% and all other appliances on 50% and looking for 18,5 to 23 mbrs
Just leave the boiler drain down point open when checking and adjusting vessel..
Service charge has to be related to two hours of installer's hourly rate.
£70 Standard Service and £100 plus materials for full stripdown
Worcester Compact, full service, deep clean and service kit fitred £210 last week.
Was that electrodes also ? I’m around 160 plus vat for Worcester that’s the burner kit and electrodes also
As in drain down, check vessel, change PRV, seals, electrodes & inhibitor ? at least parts plus and hours labour
If you are checking the WP you need to do a tightness test. That said I had a gas safe inspector tell me not to look for problems?
Nice thorough service. up in Lancashire I charge £100 for one of these. More often than not these days I’m also picking up a magnacleanse flush out of it too thanks to previous Les Incompétents.
At 24.45 when you put the gas test screw back, just isolate the gas valve on those ideals and it’ll stop the gas coming out of the test point to keep the heart rate down
I know but i like to hear the gas stop and I don’t tighten the screw to tight and split the o ring I have been to a few where that has happened 👍🏻
I see, good thinking Batman. Keep the videos coming & keep fighting the good fight 👍
This is the most thorough boiler service ive ever seen if thats a standard annual service. Ive not seen any service engineers do this especially the ones who work on behalf of monthly payed service contracts.most dont even clean out condenser traps or dont touch the magnetic filter
Cost of this is priceless charge what you deserve..
As a home owner I would never have a boiler installed anywhere that I can’t get easy visibility of it. It’s part of my routine to check the boiler is ok every day and to have it hidden in a loft is just plain and simple stupid!
Customer dont even care the amount of work required
I paid £150 inc VAT for a full strip down service of a 12 year old Remeha Avanta Plus boiler. It’s had this treatment every 3 years and interim basic services. I recon it will last until I insulate the walls and put a heat pump in 😂
Seems like I might be a bit on the higher end. My costs would be for a full service like in the video, which would be £125 for labour, including VAT, plus service kit no markup on gear. It's not a race for me. I believe in quality over speed, so I allocate one hour for a standard service and two hours for a full service. Proudly serving Leeds
Im the same 1 hour for standard 2 for strip down.... £80 or £120 plus any parts
The test at the end concluded thinking alike, many engineers won't do hob safety operation checks test on a L/Lord safety inspection
You better keep British gas upto date
They dont even clean the system filter .
check the bottom of the boiler too maybe on co sweep test where you disconected the condensate trap anything you could have moved stick the probe into the airway to test the seal on the flue?
now tell me what the allowances are for ideal logice alloy heat exchanger are allowed as tollerance. you profesional pro.
Thanks Derek
Its A Beautiful Boiler The Vogue
I All ways do a tightness test again In Lock out
You never know
ideal vouge you buy the lpg kit swap the parts tell the boiler you are swapping it to lpg in the menu. now they arre available as both i belive. as lpg or natural gas.
Pretty sure when i last had my Worcester combi boiler checked earlier this year the tech never did half of these checks. He charged me £75.00. He was here about 35 minutes.
yes, youre lucky if you get the basics.. have to tell my guy to do the mag filter every year..
You got the bear minimum done, Worcester them selfs will only do a full strip down service with new electrodes and gasket.
If this is not done regularly the heat exchanger will become a mess.
Should cost £150 plus
So if your doing Tightness, before and after, working pressures, gas rates visual checks on the hob aswell. Haven't you done an lgsr? A service is a service, an mot is an mot no??
lets see British Gas follow these guidelines ha ha They don't even remove the cover in their £99 boiler service
You have noticed!
no idea why gas rate a fully modulating combi on heating..whats the point.
Because you false it into high rate on heating..
Another reason - it may make the boiler quieter. As far as I know a modulating boiler will start up slow, build up speed - up to max speed until the return water gets hot enough to start throttling it down. In a small flat with the boiler in the living / kitchen area that can be a lot of extra noise.
Another reason is that the boiler is likely to do more condensing if it is running at a reduced rate. Saving gas and electricity and wear and tear on the fan and pump.
not gas qualified ...oftec only but would reckon minimum 180 quid for all that
£125 plus parts includes a gas cert and all checks. includung water quality checks. i will even screw co alarms to ceiling as per recomendation more than 1 meter and within 3 meter. as long as is not asbestos. you know the ones you see hanging around the room. customer tests the alarm.
Great video, Derek but did you need to check the hob operation? Only a visual inspection required surely….
Sorry yes, you did say that, not paying attention….
Great video Derek👍
Proper analogue, Derek. You do know about the plethora of apps for gas rate calculations
Don’t need apps mate I am the app 😂👍🏻
Most of the gas rate app's ..readings are incorrect...to get the correct & exact reading old school working out is the best..
@@anjamkhan1737I Aren't incorrect but + - 10% flexible after all everything comes to averages for Application developers don't really matter the Penny you going to lose or save monthly / yearly 🤔
I would use a proper work mat/sheet that waterproof. Also folding water bucket & water spray bottle that you hand pump to pressurise. Safety boots. Very in-depth video and great learning material.👍👍
What has safety boots got to do with a boiler service. At the end of the day, you can wear whatever you want on your feet. Regs don’t care what you are wearing. Just do a proper job.
@@SD-Plumbing-Heating more on an electrical safety side, but they do protect your feet and sure it's easier than keep changing your footwear for what ever job your doing .👍Hope that answers your question. Not sure on your proper Job comment.
Do you also blow off the big burner the same way as usually I find it very hard to do so. How you do that?
Great Video Derek..Thank you
I have had my valiant boiler TURBOmax® VUW GB 282 E since 1995
I have fitted diverter valves twice
gas valve once
New ignition electrodes
PCB BOARD
PD switch
new fan
Re pressurise air tank
Service it myself every August
I have a gas alarm fitted in the area to the boiler
I do all this myself quite easily as when i bought my house in 2005 I tried to get a boiler repair person come and fix a problem with my hot water
I was informed by each by each boiler servicing company locally that my boiler was to old and it had never had a “gas safety certificate “
I was informed that for myself to get any service done on any gas appliances in my home I need to scrap my bomb proof boiler and pay to have a new boiler fitted
I know that all your gas engineers will take a sharp intake of breath and tut
but if I’m using my oxy and accetaylene bottles in my garage or my bottles of lpg or propane in heaters or cookers in my caravan or tent I don’t need certification from any parties
I am now 63 years old and I know that when I die someone else will have to buy a new boiler to get “certificates”
We are just waiting for the boom....
💥🔥💥 maybe I could go and spend a few grand on a new boiler
Uh oh ! but now the boiler fitter informs me I need new pipes and rads because my old rads aren’t strong enough for the new boiler
And I’ll need it serviced every 12 months to get my home certification
But it’s only useful if I get house insurance as well
Ooooh no tut! 😂💥🔥💥😁👍
Sounds like Triggers broom 😂
170 will include HX clean and burner seal, with expansion vessel recharge. Too many 50 pound ' services ' hence steamers being binned off at 10 years.
Difference between a landlords gas check and a service. People get confused which is which.
@@elwittinio2865 What do you charge when doing both for the same customer, LLGSC and boiler service...?
Struggling to find a job after qualifying in November this year. Can you do some videos on starting off as a sole trader and what costs should be considered.
Get yourself registered with an agency. R9 recruitment, nuco solutions etc and do local authority work.
You'll need fires and cookers though.
@@E14Art Thanks for the info. Haven't got fires yet, so will have to do that once I am allowed to. Not sure if it 6 months or a year before getting it done with Unvented also.
@@TasmanianDevil22 6 months.
Its a one year wait after initial pass or you do a portfolio for it too do it sooner.@WorkSmartNotHardUK
@@E14Artgot changed to 1 year wait last September.
Even if you hadn't been passing the hob whilst servicing the boiler, the fact you've done a tightness test means you're liable to check every gas appliance in the property, to check for pilots and lids being up etc. Which also means you have to go and check the full chimney/flue of the fires etc too. This is why I avoid doing a tightness test on a service, it makes you liable to every appliance in the property once you've left, I've heard from a gas inspector a guy was caught out by a damaged flue in loft which he obviously didn't check as he was there only to service the boiler but did a tightness test. Be warned :)
I suggest you read igem/g/11 and you will understand what you have said is incorrect
Appendix 5 page 57-58, checking flue on appliances which are part of a tightness test. Also, if the gas fire is on when you go to do the tightness test, you would have to relight the appliance when then means you'd have to check it's safe. Not sure where I'm wrong? Genuinely curious @@tomkatgastraining
@@connoraxelson1 only if you allow air into the system which I didn’t so no need to check appliances visual checks only
Yes a visual inspection, including the flueing, if they have a gas fire that's flued through the loft, you need to go in to their loft and visually inspect it otherwise how can you say it's safe? If you don't, and like the guy I gave an example of originally, and it's collapsed and vents in to the loft or there's obviously something wrong, you have to check for that, because of the tightness test. Otherwise you're liable, like he was. If he didn't do a tightness test, arguably it would come down to a, did he walk past the appliance to get to the boiler?
That's my understanding of it.
@@connoraxelson1 you have either been given the wrong information or you are not reading it correctly also do you have the most updated version. Yes if I was installing a hob I would need to check the appliance and relight but under a service without letting air into the system I only do a visual inspection of appliances I encountered not all appliances in the house
You would be mad not to to do a tightness test!...its just a crazy regulation which should be scrapped.
When doing. Gas service customers always kick off at engineers about wasting water I never fails …..you never checked the fuse type at the spur and I couldn’t see any bonding on the pipes below the boiler..👍
Bonding is not required under the boiler it’s not in a wet zone but good call about the fuse I did check it just didn’t film it 🫣
@@tomkatgastraining wasn’t that boiler next to a sink/ drainer…I would say that close call to wet zone oh I know I’m being picky but this is what all these regs do to people lol….great video man…..love watching them…👍👍🌲🌲
@@FrankieBoy-wn6qt no it has a cupboard around it so not classed in a wet zone
Thanks 👍
Inspection service £79
Strip service £100
No vat
But ....the way things are going at the moment maybe have to be cheaper soon
Worcester ri…full strip service, new red gasket and electrodes…I charge £150 including vat
Did a compact last week £210. Such a twat of a boiler compared to a baxi or ideal to service😢😂
@@elwittinio2865 think I’m dearer than that, bottom seal, burner gasket and electrodes, £230 I think. Not too bad to strip down, but he’s you’re right…there are easier ones out there
2 hrs lab and travel IMO + any parts would be fair. Problem is there are plenty round me doing "servicing" for £40 all in................
I test Thermo/electric like you, old grey button honeywell vlvs were favorite for doing as you said for letting by.
Excuse my ignorance. Why not just leave the vent /drain open , instead of using the PRV ......
I think most customers won't notice a difference and wouldnt pay significantly more than a cheap service. You can charge more, yes, but you wont get much work.
That’s why these type of videos are god for the end consumer. I wouldn’t touch gas as DIYer so will always use gas safe engineer, but knowing what should be done effectively justifies the cost. Plus if you know about the work involved it should help you spot cowboys.
@@davideyres955 just so you are aware, I'm also gas qualified (previously registered), but that doesn't mean I have any gas experience, or that I know what I'm doing. Don't be fooled! GasSafe registered means simply that you've paid your registration fee for the year, to GasSafe. Of course, you'd also have to be qualified. That doesn't guarantee any level of experience.
@davideyres955 interesting. I always say it's £50 for a gas safe inspection on the boiler, if I find something, I show them and then add the additional cost. I'm always told I'm not the same as the last guy who "serviced". Let's be honest. A boiler MOT isn't a service. I then charge £70 excluding the cost for parts when I strip the boiler down. I'm in Belfast, NI. It's not too expensive and not too cheap
I’m charging £80 plus parts with no vat as not registered for vat
150 plus parts should be standard!
Should the combustion chamber plate be tightened using a torque wrench, or is hand tight ok.
If you can't undo it by hand, then obviously...
A torque wrench is for tightening up not undoing, Its to make sure all nuts on said item are tightened to the correct pressure so its even all the way around/ to stop leaks. They are used in the motor trade on head gaskets and blocks that all need the correct pressure to stop oil leaks. Most boiler manufactures Mi's say 11nm of torque. But no gas engineer seems to use a torque wrench. I wanted to know why. As i'd think gas can leak more than oil or the same from an incorrectly installed item.eg combustion chamber seals.@@josue_kay
Can anyone tell me what app he uses on his phone, Please?
2 min TT, case off quick inspection case back on, service mode, CPA readings, heat input, test CH water & check CO alarm. 20 minutes job done.
Great content as always . What was the make of that pump you were using.
Regin air pump
100 plus vat .plus any parts needed !!
As always,
Dankeschön!
Do you regulary Check the Gas pressure? I will do this only when problems with performance pop up. Am I wrong?
Hi Derek great video again. Ive got a gas inspection coming up on wednesday and decided to pick up a new analyser. Its the kane 258. The only problem is im not sure if its got a sweep mode, i can find anything in the instructions. Will this be an issue for next week or am i missing something right infront of me? cheers
@@Musafrabad101 I think the 258 is the basic model and it doesn’t have the section where the sweep test is so just use the analysis section and time it for 2 minutes
@@tomkatgastraining awesome really appreciate the reply mate, the nerves are starting to go with this site visit looming😂
@@Musafrabad101 I have mine soon good luck let me know how you get on
@@tomkatgastraining do you have a video on what to expect? I tried looking on CZcams but there's not much out there
@@Musafrabad101 not yet but as soon as I have mine I will do a video
Gotta be about a £200 service there Derek 😂😂😂
As a engineer I charge £85 plus vat
Too many variables to price that. So many boilers that people ask to have ‘serviced’ need far more.
If Only they were all like this one.
Pointless questions because customers don't give one whats involved they just say tom dik down the road does them at £50 so you will never win. Too many idiots devaluing the trade just to get a few quid.
Sadly we are in a trade where qualifications mean jack to the customers.
Why on earth younguns would take an apprenticeship nowadays in the heating trade is beyond me, graft your sack off and hardly any appreciation and cant charge your worth or 25 years experience because tom dik down the road will always be willing to do a day rate for £80.
It's sad because it's true, been doing it for 13 years mainly commercial gas and the amount of blokes I know charging silly money even in commercial. No point going out on your own better off with a company as shit as they are as well.
You have to follow BS, does BS stand for what I think it means?
Unless the heating system is showing problems and full strip down service only needs to be done every 4 years
Is this manufacturer specific? Can you provide a link to where it states this please. I may have been doing things incorrectly?
Could you imagine if the boiler had issues after strip down
£25 all in sounds about right.
If you rock up to do a service and find the exhaust test point cap not fitted are you supposed to Riddor the previous engineer ? I wouldn’t if there had been no ill effects but wondered if it should be done if carrying out requirements to the letter ?
previous engineer left an ID situation, so technically thats a riddor, problem is how do you know it was the engineer and not someone else?
Press the zero 4 times on them meters and it gives you the gas rate
Hey Derek.... cracking video again.... can I just ask.....if you had gas rated in service mode(at max and min) for hot water and central heating .... would you have got closer to the actual heat input of the boiler? .....I think I'm just getting a little confused with some people saying for example ...."with a combi just gas rate with the hot water tap running??" What if someone has range rated the boiler? Then surely you wouldn't never get close to the Mi's ....?
Many thanks again Derek
Regs say to take a working pressure on max rate or gas rate. You cannot range rate hot water on a combi. Max and min service modes will overide any range rating applied to the heating. Range rating will not always give a true reflection of gas consumption if the system is mucky and the boiler is full of it. Wont stay lit for 2 mins.
New appliance must be gas rated
Thanks James. So in service mode the boiler will operate at its max and min gas rate and override any settings the customer may have done like... reduced the hot water temperature or reduced the CH temperature at the boiler... or even range rated a heat only/system boiler......so why doesn't everyone just range rate in service mode!!??cheers Steve
@@1stevew Service modes cannot be range rated. Possible modes are Min/Max and Max DHW
Sorry ....and the end of my message I meant to say " so why doesn't everyone just Gas rate in service mode " !!! Not range rate... apologies
That was a real through service, pity all boiler services are not carried out that meticulously. I am not sure what the answer is? Probably in the £130 ball park? Just out of interest if you were carrying out that service for your next door neighbour where no travelling was involved would you charge the same price?
£130 = one weeks pension for some people
I understand that but business expenses are very high these days. Just look into the cost of a lease van and you’ll get a picture of how much it costs to offer plumbing , heating and gas services. Remember, no sick pay, no holiday pay, no job security and you pay for any and all mistakes yourself.
@@mrgrumpy5116Some service kits are £80. No way am I doing a full strip, deep clean and parts for £130.
@@RestlessBs3summed up perfectly. Most people have no idea how difficult being self employed is. My income has decreased this last two years counter acting the ridiculous increase in materials. Some one somewhere is getting rich but it's definitely not me
@@mrgrumpy5116 130 is a lot less than the funeral costs or fire damage if the boiler is faulty or dangerous.
Easy boiler to work on. The primary heat exchangers are flawed big time
Could you explain where/ how condensate water is formed inside a boiler ?
Condensate forms in the last stage of the heat exchanger and in the flue. By that stage the products of combustion have cooled enough that the water vapour (a product of combustion) reverts to liquid.
Why did you top up the pressure vessels?
Ideal are never ideal
How much do you think a full strip down should be then..?
£30 hr is plenty
since gas safe came into being these spanner monkeys are taking the piss ! most of em would faint if they had to do a REAL days work for their money ..
most jobs on a combi can be done in hr n half ...they think theyre brain surgeons 🙄
Where would you test the water quality from if you had an old radiator with the bleed point at the back
The system drain valve is an option but you'd probably have to let out a litre first to purge the pipe. There is also a drain cock, underneath, on some boilers.
@@hoppy1970 thanks for that but not sure I'd be keen on touching an old drain valve.
I get a so-called free service with my boiler insurance. To call it a service would be a joke. The service consists of shining a torch under the boiler and having a quick look at the outside flue. No checking and bleeding the radiators.
Why checking and bleeding the radiators?
Rads are not part of a boiler service.
If you want the rads and controls checking etc. you need to get your hand in your pocket.
The same if you want a full service of the CHB.
@@pops6638 I do get a tradesman to do a yearly service. The problem is finding a tradesman that knows what they are doing.
@@huyongquan6554 Because it's important to check and bleed the radiators when having a full service.
As soon a plumbers changed from gas fitters to ‘engineers’, prices tripled.😊
do you know what is involved in time and cost in initialy becoming a plumber then a gas engineer. you do now the consequences if one gets the smallest little thing wrong you do know that if you get it wrong you can get life in jail, Thats why it costs
And why not
If you have the authority to deem something safe and your signature is required. Then yea. It costs cos it's your ass on the line
@@frosty_soda . Same for many jobs.
Plumbers are responsible for saving kore lives in the world than the pharmaceutical industry.FACT
Charge for a service by time.
£150 tops is what I'd pay.
If they do exactly the same checks, as Derek does, then yep £150 which is a lot most folk in the uk. £99 would still be tough for lots of people in the uk.
Doing a full strip down boiler service on a one year old boiler is bonkers. Unless some idiot has installed it on a shitty sludged system. Also I’ve been offered work £18 per service. Got told I can do 15/18 jobs a day. Bonkers
gas tightness not required on a service unless a smell of gas etc.
How did you know the inhibitor was Fernox and therefore used the Fernox test strips or do you use the Fernox strips regardless?
Strips don't look for a certain brand of inhibitor, they look for ANY inhibitor presents in the system.
Not wat I was told @@MagicDoughnut
@@MagicDoughnut my understanding is that Fernox strips can only detect Fernox inhibitors. The scalemaster iTest is the only available testing kit that detects most inhibitors regardless of the make. Check it out.
The fernox or sentinel tests look for molybednum content as this is in the inhibitor. Fernox state it works with all molybednum based inhibitors, so works with Fernox sentinel adey. @@jonathanalder1206