Is Vegito (Z) REALLY Stronger Than Super Saiyan 4(GT)?
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- čas přidán 26. 09. 2021
- There is a popular excerpt from an official source that compares the power of Vegetto and Super Saiyan 4. This has led to a lot of misinformation in the Dragon Ball Community, an incorrect look at the lens of the power of SSJ4. Let's discuss this!
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True GT fans never believed this....
Absolutely ❤️️💯
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I guess a better wording for it would be "Potara fusion has the POTENTIAL to be stronger than SSJ4"
Just like it was said in the video, the multipliers can't be taken into consideration alone, specially because they add to each other!
@@mystic_sand even then, that might well be interpreted as figure of speech instead of mathematical magnitude, y'know.
Like saying I'm 10 times wiser than before, or 100 times angrier.
What does those mean without reliable measurement
@@leofst forget it, this information is not correct
10 times stronger=lots of times stronger
@@mystic_sand yeah, that's basicaly my point
Eagerly Waiting for GT powerscaling.
I agree but I think he already posted some
In my opinion, any guide that has words like "maybe" or "perhaps" or any other synonym of said words when scaling a characters power immediately lose their credability. Words like that defeat the purpose of what they're trying to be. 😒
Most people do not understand that the Gt Files are referring to hypothetical Buu Saga SS4 Goku or SS4 Vegeta Rivaling Buu SS1 Vegito.
No Gt Super Saiyan 4 Goku is defiantly stronger then Z Vegito. But I never realizes how insane Gt Goku power boost or Zenkais are like he gets one set to a new level like that.
Supers scaling in regards to this topic is incredibly contentious anyway.
In the TOP kefla In base is able to obliterate SSJG Goku despite SSG being supposedly stronger than fusion.
I think you forget that Fusion is not a Set/Stagnant Multiplier.
Goku was extremely fatigued in that fight
@@papyrusgaming4820 Goku was fatigue but that does not mean he is incapable of using his full power.. I'm sorry but being tired Does prevent you from using your full strength. It limit The duration of using your full strength.
Actually they kinda retconned it in the broly movie because just base fusions like gogeta or vegito is as strong or a bit stronger than super saiyan blue and it's also because goku's base was stronger than theirs anyways just in his ssj2 he was able to keep up with ssj2 caulifla and ssj2 kale and at ssjg it was no competition so I think kefla's base is weaker than gogeta/vegito's base. I could be wrong tho..
@@elpopman2055 True but he was also heavily weakened, remember when Saiyans take lots of damage they also lose tons of power. An example is in the Cell Saga, where Gohan gets his arm broken and his power gets halved, Goku had a shit ton of strain on his body from his first experience in UI so it downed his power so much to the point where he could barely stand and Frieza had to lend him a bit of energy, even after that he couldn’t go SSJ let alone SSB after being give energy. It’s not like he even fully recovered his energy during that fight either, the only time he really recovered most of his energy was when Vegeta gave him all the power he had left
Just like DBS Goku, base GT Goku oneshots DBZ.
Wym by that🧐
@@_KAZI Super and GT are stronger than Z
@@GeneFOX70 not end of z though
@@GeneFOX70 oh ok😂
@@Antoniodagreat Yes they are. How would they get weaker?
Great work
I think the Power Boost from Vegito is stronger than SSJ4’s Power Boost
But SSJ4 Goku is way stronger than Vegito
This.
@@RulerOfYore is what
Exactly
When both fusees are focused, are warriors and are rivals or have a similarly strong bond, and have the potential of/or are both Saiyans, the Potara boost will surpass the boost of Super Saiyan 4 more or less everytime. However this doesn't mean the fusee from one point in time is going to always be stronger than its constituents from any later point in time.
Of course. Potara fusion works that:
Power level 1 × Power level 2.
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great video Broku, this debunk was much needed since alot of GT down players still believe that Z vegito is stronger than SSJ4 Goku from the baby arc which is just crazy to think about
Thank you! You're the best I think the exact same way.
I NOTICED SOMETHING WITH A COMPARATION BETWEEN SSJ4 SSJG AND BASE FUSIONS
ALL 3 ARE EQUAL ON THE SAME TIME
EXAMPLES
-KEFLA BASE IS ON THE LEVEL OF GOKU SSJG
-VEGENKS XENO BASE IS ON THE LEVEL OF VEGETA XENO SSJ4 (BOTH AT THE LEVEL OF DEMON GOD GRAVY)
-ON XENOVERSE BEERUS SAYS THAT SSJ4 IS A BIT DIFFERENT TO SSJG
-THE GUIDES SAYS THAT VEGETTO MAY SURPASS SSJ4
BUT THIS ONLY APPLIES TO SAME SAGA VARIANTS
BECAUSE OF THIS SSJ4 FROM GT ARE LIKE 400 TIMES STRONGER THAN A HIPPOTETICAL SSJ4 FROM Z SO VEGETTO BASE FROM Z IS ON THE LEVEL OF A SSJ4 FROM Z, BUT VEGETTO FROM Z NEEDS AT LEAST SSJ3 TO BE ON THE LEVEL OF SSJ4 FROM GT
ALSO WE HAVE SSJ FUSIONS ON THE LEVEL OF SSJGSSJ
(KELFA LSSJ VS GOKU BLUE, GOGETA SSJ STRONGER THAN BOTH GOKU AND VEGETA BLUE AND ON AN EVENT OF LEGENDZ VEGETTO SSJ STRONGER THAN FNF GOKU AND VEGETA BLUE)
BECAUSE OF THIS
SAME SAGA:
SSJ4=1
SSJG=1
FUSION BASE=1
FUSION SSJ=50
SSJGSSJ=50
DIFFERENT TIMES:
FUSION BASE Z=1
FUSION SSJ Z=50
SSJG BOG=1-1.5
SSJ4 GT=400
SSJGSSJ FNF=100
SSJGSSJ DBS=400
FUSION BASE DBGT=400
FUSION BASE DBS=8
FUSION SSJ DBS=400
XENO SSJ4=500
CC SSJG=10
CC SSJGSSJ=500
I always thought that SSJ4 was at LEAST 4,000,000 X Base becasue it's said that Potara Fusion works by multiplying a individuals maximum power by that of another individuals maximum power (not counting Kaio-Ken and Rage Boost) so for example in the Buu Saga let's say Base Goku had a PL (Power Level) of 10 now you multiply that by his strongest transformation SSJ3 which is at LEAST 400 X Base so Goku using SSJ3 would have a PL of 4000 now let's say Base Vegeta also had a PL of 10 (because we know that Vegeta and Goku were only equal to each other because Goku wasn't using SSJ3 in their fight) than you multiply that by at LEAST 100 for SSJ2 than he would have a PL of 1000 now you multiply Goku's max PL with Vegeta's max PL and you get 4,000,000 which to me is at the very LEAST the multiplier for fusion of course that contradicts with the statement that SSJ4 lets the user use their absolute maximum power that they currently have even if they normally wouldn't be able to use it (like Rage Boost or Kaio-Ken) however that sounds a awful like when Old Kai had unleashed Gohan's potential so unless SSJ4 becomes can and we finally get a official statement than we will never know just how strong (or weak) SSJ4 is of course that's just my opinion so if you don't like it than too bad cause unless I am given proof by the author himself that I am wrong than I will consider myself somewhat right and there is nothing anyone can do about it.
BTW I posted this comment at the beginning of the video so I don't know if Broku has had the same conclusion that I did.
Well this is kinda precise unless those multiplier, I guess ssj 4 initial multiplier was 500k calc by saiyan scholar for source if needed
@Broku72,
... How would Buu Era Ssj3 Vegetto, compare to Ssj4 Goku ?
He loses rildo
Goku is a hypocrite for refusing kami's offer to become a god but 30 years later became a god
He’s not a hypocrite because he didn’t except a formal tower title and authority for being the number one candidate due to his pure of heart. Goku doesn’t want to be given anything, he would rather work hard to earn it himself. kaioshin, they have power, but they are giving title and a certain abilities. But when I come across things such as Other Kaioshin or God’s or other deities they are the weakest. What good is having the title if you don’t have the power to back it up..
SSJ4 GT Goku>>>>>>SSJ DBZ Vegito.......
N o
Yea like base gt goku can beat majin buu or kid buu or maybe super buu
Even Baby Saga SSJ4 Goku is stronger than Super Vegito
@@ieatrocks8422 yes
@@ieatrocks8422 He obviously is
Love the power scaling videos
I don't know why is this a debate like you said during ridlo ( sorry I spelt that wrong) gt goku's base is stronger than vegito's base this isn't even a competition
Only end of gt base Goku tho🙄
@@anshumanrath6703 that's literally still no competition in fact that's even less of a competition ssj4 goku whoops on super vegito
@@anshumanrath6703 base gt Goku > ssj vegito🤣🤣
@@dabotbruh2555 base gt Goku at end of Goku to be accurate
@@anshumanrath6703 black star db saga Goku to correct you
you be Spitting Facts tho
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Does English speaking fandom is still clown enough to bring up this statement of Goku as the PROOF of something?
HE LITERALY CAN'T FEEL BEERUS' KI AT THE MOMENT, THIS STATEMENT IS COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT AND LITERALY FALSE IN-STORY.
P.s. not to mention he never said a word about Vegetto or moreover Z Vegetto - he said about him fusing with Vegeta not mentioning the exact way TODAY. Him, who is equal to Z Freeza Arc Freeza only if he will be Super Saiyan as Beerus stated himself right in the anime (and Beerus CAN feel Goku's Ki unlike Goku) - and Vegeta who crumbles under 150g in no time.
Considering Goku used Fusion with him in the DBS movie because "there's no Potaras around" was enough motivation for him he also more supposedly said about the Fusion technique in his statement but anyway.
Vegetto was the only fusion Goku had ever done, so clearly that would be the fusion Goku would be thinking of.
@@ZeroYami he knows Fusion and he taught it Vegeta for 1 hour with the reasoning "there is no Potara around" when he literaly was able to Shunkan Ido for it or just call Kaio and from Kaio ask Kaioshin to come with Kai Kai in a moment to give them Potara.
When he says "merging" - it's deffinitively does not concerns Potara only in any point of the story.
Also it was only said in movie not even in manga so no reason to compare ssg to vegito
I can see the video live cuz I got school
Ssj4 is a narrative predecessor to ssjg. In both GT and Super Goku stated that potara fusion wasnt strong enough to defeat Babi Oozaru/ Beerus. The fusions whether it was ssj4× ssj2 Vegeta or ssjg × mustic Gohan would have been stronger than base -ssj3 Vegeto/ Gogeta from Z.
These official guides and official statements usually contradict eachother and the actual narrative of the anime/manga. Much of it's done for hype and to protect the status of the character so theres nothing concrete.
So based off the anime ssj4 from Goku's perspective is stronger than any potara fusion except ssj4×ssj4. Which means ssj4 is stronger than Z's Vegeto/Gogeta base -ssj3 transformations.
This is because it's the narrative ancestor to the ssjg / ssjb transformations.
I mean goku at the start of GT is already Universal+, he one shots anyone in dbz with 0 difficulty.
This is massive GT wank lol
@@X02Overdose not really, Start of GT base GT goku is in the same tier as BoG god goku. Both are universal. Universal GT goku + ssj4 would sneeze and kill dbz vegito
@@Theamz There’s no evidence GT Goku is universal, especially not BASE GT Goku
@@X02Overdose yes there is, fusion reborn is canon to GT because Vegeta already knows fusion dance without needing to practice it and that only happened in fusion reborn. Since fusion ssj3 goku shaked hell which is a universal feat since it’s infinite in sized, that means episode 1 GT base goku is also universal.
@@Theamz Not a single DBZ movie can be canon to GT, especially Fusion Reborn. GT follows the Z anime timeline and damn near all of the movies have massive inconsistencies/plot holes that stop them from being canon to Z/GT I’ll take Omega Shenron/SSJ4 Gogeta being universal but no one else
I always believed that when Goku said Rildo was stronger than Buu that he was talking about BuuHAN aka the strongest Buu cause there is no way an injured and exhausted Goku became stronger than Super Vegito right after Super Vegito's fight with Buuhan and that's with Goku eating a Senzu Bean (which is better than Dende's and Kibito Kai's healing abilities combined) which I am pretty sure he didn't in canon that means Rildo was maybe either equal to Base Vegito or equal to Super Vegito meaning Goku after I believe 15 years surpassed Vegito which honestly makes sense and people can argue all they want but the only reason you are arguing (if you are) is because you are just mad that I am right and you are not.
Easy answer no. The reason is that GT takes place 15 years after Z. Taking that note, base form GT goku is stronger than SSJ3 Goku (Buu Arc) by a good ammount. If we tacke this into consideration, then that would mean Base Form GT Goku would be equal if not a bit stronger than SSJ1 Vegito (Buu Arc)
How are you able to come to the conclusion that GT Goku is stronger than SSJ1 Vegito based on the fact he’s stronger than SSJ3 Buu saga Goku? (those two have VASTLY different levels of power)
@@X02Overdose In the original show remember that Kid Buu is the most powerful (call it bad writing if you want but it is stated) Goku in SSj 3 is able to fight onpare with Kid Buu so he has to be at least as strong as base form Vegito at that point.
First off, it was talking about Transformation multipliers and such, and even so, it's still an opinion(which is incorrect)
I think that it was just stating that Vegito's Potara multiplier was comparible to a SSJ4 tranformation, if not surpassing it.
So if Goku or Vegeta turned SSJ4 against Buuhan they would be comparible to Vegito or slightly weaker?.
thats the way i have always viewed that statement, the idea that buu saga super vegito is end game gt level is just off lol.
Personally baby saga ssj4 goku would be a lot stronger than super vegito even ssj3 vegito
yo broku i just checked in! great your making content again but i got some criticism. you talk really weird and have really weird pauses which is kinda annoying. hopefully ya see this and stop that.
Z Vegito is no match for GT base Goku.
That statement about Vegito vs SSJ4 was about multiplayers it didn't even mentioned Goku's name
GT Goku in the Rildo arc surpassed Super Vegito since Rildo is the 1st villain Goku said surpassed Buu and we know Uub reached his potential early in GT(so Uub>=Kis Buu) and base Goku was equal to this Uub and Goku was bit stronger then fat Buu at the end of Z
So Goku can't refer to fat Buu he surpassed him in base before GT, not Kid Buu since he surpassed him in base in episode 1...so it's Buuhan and then Rildo transform twice and SSJ Goku wasn't really going all out vs him
Also Kid Baby able to easily take over base Rildo which means kid Baby>Buuhan and Baby couldn't stand being inside SSJ Trunks body
So SSJ Trunks>Baby
And Base Goten bodied Teen Baby(a stronger Baby) in base while talking on the phone he only turn SSJ because Baby scratched him which embarrassed him
And base Gohan>=SSJ Baby Goten
And Gohan never stopped training after the end of Z
So my overall scaling is
100 years ts Goku>SSJ4 Gogeta>Universal Spirit Bomb Goku>Omega Shenron>Ultra Full power SSJ4 Goku>Shin Shenron>SSJ4 Goku (shadow dragons saga(vs Ice))/SSJ4 Vegeta>=Nova>Ice>Super 17 post Kamehamea x10>SSJ4 Goku super 17 arc>Full Power SSJ4 Goku>post blutz waves Great Ape Baby>Great Ape Baby=SSJ4 Goku>post ki blasts amp super 17>SSJ Goku super 17 arc=Super 17>SSJ Vegeta 17 arc>=SSJ3 Baby=>Majuub>Ssj Gohan super 17 arc>Trunks Goten SSJ super 17 arc>SSJ2 Baby Vegeta>SSJ Baby Vegeta>SSJ3 Goku Baby arc>Base Goku Baby arc>SSJ Vegeta Baby arc=SSJ Baby Gohan+SSJ Baby Goten>SSJ Baby Gohan+base Baby Goten>SSJ Gohan Baby arc>SSJ Baby Goten=Base Gohan Baby arc>Base Baby Goten>SSJ Goten SSJ Trunks Baby arc>base Goten Trunks Baby arc>Teen Baby>SSJ Goku Rildo arc>Metal Rildo>SSJ Vegito Buu arc>sigma Force fusion Rildo>base Goku Rildo arc>Kid Baby>base General Rildo>base Vegito Buu arc>Buuhan>Sigma force>amped Lord Lood>Lord Lood arc SSJ Goku>Lord Lood>Ledgic>Base Goku early GT>=Uub post 5 years of training>Kid Buu=>SSJ3 end of Buu arc Goku>=Base Goku end of Z=Uub>=early Buu arc SSJ3 Goku>Fat Buu
GT characters are underrated in terms of power, yes i do think DBS characters are infinitely stronger after the Resurrection F arc but GT is mid-high universal while DBS is complex Multiversal
The amount of times spaces Goku&Beerus clash destroyed were enough to make Goku Multiversal at that point and Goku in DBS gets infinitely stronger each arc
Depends
If we're talking about super vegito with a goku+vegeta times a number maybe if its goku times vegeta then I think ssj4 goku will win idk excited for the video
I don't watch this video but according on fact that in japanese version of dbgt Goku kid can destroy universe (Rildo words) in SSJ he stronger times 50. This enough to beat base Vegito
Sorry for my english it's may be bad
No its not. If Rildo is stronger than base Veggito he should demolish Gt Goku which was equivalent to Kid Boo who was equivalent to a Ssj3 of Z. This make Base Gt Goku below the power of Super Boo, and below the power of Gotenks Ssj3. And as we saw, base Goku was enough to demolish Rildo at least at his base form. When Rildo transforms and Goku transforma into a Ssj1, he maybe is equivalent to a Super Boo and a Gotenks Ssj3, who are still thousands and thousands of times weaker than a BooGohan.
Also, Rildo won the fight agains a Ssj1 Goku because he was distracted and he wasn't waiting for that kind of attack.
Also, Goku states in Z that even with Super Boo they would have to fuse because they where nothing compare to their powers. It means that even with a Super Boo without absorbing nobody, Goku and Vegeta would have to fuse to be stronger than him. These proves that the only versions of Boo Goku as a Ssj3 can keep up is with Fat Buu and Kid Buu, nothing else.
no one ever notice that Vegito never went ssj3?
If you count DragonBall Heroes he did
@@JoelGifted720 i always wonder if thats still cannon maybe it is
vegito is nowhere near as strong as ssj4, (just incase if nobody knows and are wondering) and I have facts to back it up in dbzbt2&3 in one of the mini games in korrins tower you have to battle against the strongest characters in the series it shows a rank that goes like this at the bottom- ssj1 gogeta, majuub, golden great ape oozaru baby, super 17, ssj4 vegeta, ssj4 goku, omega shenron and on top it shows ssj4 gogeta and not only does it show ssj4 gogeta on top of the tower but it gives him a title next to him and this is what it states "the strongest in the world of all dbz".
I feel like even with the A x B + Rival-Boost, imo it still isn’t enough.
@@xooox_1777
I know this comment is from a year ago:
I think the reason why Chibi Gotenk’s isn’t as strong as (Z, or Super?) Gogeta is because the hybrid duo is just weaker then their father’s.
Like Kakkarotto/Gokou & Prince Vegeta’s Base power is far more powerful then the Chibi hybrid’s.
@@75JUNAKI while yes the base form power is a factor the transformation is more so.
because the fusion takes both fusionees at their strongest forms and combine that 2 power level and that powerlevel become the fusion base form.
example Gogeta at base form is keepimg up with broly who was mutilating both goku and vegeta at their ssb form. yet logically a fusion should knly be around 400-500x multiplier (look into Vegito vs Buu) the reason as to why the multiplier got so big all of the sudden is because of new transformation that has a far superior multiplier than their previous forms.
(I only use Goten and Trunks as an example)
@@75JUNAKI note this is my opinion about the fusion power level
@@xooox_1777
Personally I don’t agree on taking the strongest A and B but I get what your saying.
@@75JUNAKI I think best of both feels pretty fair to me because in all battles fusion are just league above normal participants of their
Ssj4 might have a multiplier of 64 thousand times base
Ok after the Baby statement i am 100% convinced Goku stomps lol.
I agree with this whole video base gt goku slaps vegito and that’s not even him after the 100 years he could be multiversal at that point especially since he trained that whole time and everytime gokus in other world he trains crazy especially with the power jumps in gt he’d be very very strong
Hes not even close to multiversal, he fired a full range kamehameha straight at a star and it barely did a damn thing
@@alexweddle8219 actually he destroyed a dimension and even going to destroy hell just by powering up
All in *BASE*
@@alexweddle8219 He destroyed an entire dimension with a Kamehameha wave. And shook the entire other world in base on accident.
When it comes to power scaling none of the guidebooks can be relied upon as an official constant consistent accurate source of information.
And check this out, when it says these characters power levels are multiplied by tens of times. Tens of times could be an indicator for the super Saiyan transformation. Because that multiplier is 50 times. That qualifies it as tens of time stronger. So obviously anybody who still continues to speak on this narrative of 010s of times stronger to fusion are disqualified from the conversation because they have no idea what they’re talking about for one. And two just flat out lie for power Skilling purposes, from the guide books have been exposed. I just buy this country create a really good job. Meaning any contact creator who uses this guidebooks Termanology of tens of times stronger for any character DBZ does not know how to power scale, straight up
I disagree with base goku and the omega shenron stuff I mean Hercule tanked a kick I believe. I don’t think base Goku taking shots means much.
Stop saying Patora.
It's Potara.
Why people think Z vegito can defeat GT goku
If there was a GT Vegeto (no ssj4) would he still be weaker
No he won't be
Fusion take your best power then amplify it so base vegeto could be higher than ssj 4 unless it's pre baby arc in which he wouldn't have ssj 4 so he can't beat him in base but still can one shot ssj 2 I guess....
Gt Goku ssj 4 initial ~ Gt Vegito ssj 2
Gt goku ssj 2 > Dbz Vegito ssj 2
So Goku × Vegeta (Buu/Fusion Saga) >= SSJ4 Multiplier in Baby Saga. That could be at least in the millions. Billions. Trillions. Quadrillions.
I would that formula for fusion is unreliable better use addition of best of them then amplify it by no you want
BoG base Goku feats>>>>>GT-verse
watch tomorrow's video.
More like gt wrecks the fodder
Base goku is featless
Maybe first appearance ssj4 goku baby saga but after baby saga your just joking on ur self at that point because base vegito=< gt goku post baby saga
This is just the beginning
Just saying
But Potara in Super is far superior than the Potara in Z
It's wrong and that Potaras in Super are far, far weaker is literaly stated by dbs itself kid.
The exact multiplier was mentioned directly in the show and it's not even close to Z Potaras - Potaras in Super are directly stated to only add a power to power and multiply it a dozens of times.
Not to mention that factually Potaras are shown giving a pathetic adding in fight with Zamasu when Kaioken Goku made more damage to Zamasu than DBS Vegirot using Blue out of all forms and even losing a fight until he tried harder.
@@SuperSaiyanDate your super wrong pal
All fusions were below SsjG the top goes around and base Kefla is stronger than weakened SsjG Goku
So you are completely wrong "kid"
Kale and caulifla are stronger than buu saga Goku and vegeta making kefla having a higher fusion multiplier
@@dabotbruh2555 that's toriyama logic for ya
I didn't write it
@@dabotbruh2555 oh and super vegito isnt the same multiplier as z vegito
No. He's not. The multiplier is said to be less than the metamoran dance. But the potara have more boosts (rival) and people use 10 as a hypothetical multiplier for the metamoran dance so in this case we can say the potara multiplier is 5 and let's say the rival Boost is x2 putting it even with the metamoran dance. SSJ4 is 10x stronger than Ssj3 so making the multiplier for SSJ4 4,000. The super Saiyan multiplier is 50. 50 times 10 is 500 let's say Vegito in base (in Z) had a base power level of.....70 billion x50 is 350 billion (more than likely incorrect I'm in class rn)
Golden oozaru is 10x ssj3 ssj4 grade 1 is 8x golden oozaru, ufpssj4 is about 100x (low balled) fpssj4 while.
Fusion dance and potara are equal multipliers
@@Aesirfollower2020 no theyre not, fusion dance has to have the same power lvl to fuse, potara doesnt need that, also potara has the rival boost
@@disgracedson1776 gogeta literally stated himself that the fusion dance is not only added goku and vegeta power but also significanly magnified it several times over (when Gogeta talk to Frieza). And Goku and Vegeta power level at the end of super are EQUAL so they didn't have to lower each others power level to fuse, so it makes sense for Gogeta and Vegito to be equal.
Don't take old kai statement seriously, the guy literally said that the potara fusion is permanent but look at what happen in Z and Super for Vegito. Maybe the potara is EASIER to use since you simply can just put an earing and then you and your partner would automatically fused, and it's true fusion dance need both material power level to be equal BUT since Goku and Vegeta power level is equal or nearly equal with each others this weakness is already being eliminated.
It's the same for the potara fusion it doesn't just add their powers together it multiplies it by however much, plus the rival increases that further. For the permanent fusions thing, it's only permanent for Kai's, elder Kai didn't know that. It is fact that in order to fuse correctly using the dance they must have equal power or it will not work, meaning if they're not equal one has to lower their power to be able to fuse, making the dance weaker in comparison to the potara. For the potara it doesn't matter if one is weaker or not they fuse regardless.
This among many other reasons, is the number one reason why power ups, power levels, multipliers are all disqualified negated and completely illogical when it comes to the guidebooks. It is easy to see who ever said this or wrote these things down, had no idea what you’re talking about. This is easy to see. Yeah you still have a multitude of fans who are zombies and robots, and excepting lies as the truth. And then when you have some of us fans who expose the lies and tell the truth, they now have a problem. This proves the vast majority of people do not have critical thinking skills, even more rare is common sense.
Gohan should have been the recipient of the ssj god ritual
Gohan don't grow as a super saiyan now it's stated by him so no reason for him to become one also why he need that? When he can increase multiplier of mystic form?
@@ohhellwhereami2574 ssj God is not actually a ssj form besides the ssj god form is just the base forms reaction to God ki so a human could become a god as well
@@ohhellwhereami2574 ssj God is not actually a ssj form besides the ssj god form is just the base forms reaction to God ki so a human could become a god as well ( how did I post twice)
@@rrose9161 ssj God is indeed a ssj transformation that's how it's name *super saiyan * god not god there are different species of God
@@ohhellwhereami2574 were is the evidence that super saiyan is involved with the super saiyan god form outside of the super saiyan god super saiyan / super saiyan blue transformation
This is ridiculous.base gt goku solos all of dbz including ssj3 vegito no diff 😂😂😂
In my mind I don't think VEGITO(Z) is STRONGER than SS4 GOKU FROM GT
GOKU AS SS4 DEFEAT BABY,Super 17 and etc
I like super better but baby saga super gt goku is stronger probably
I dont think Vegito is near SSj4 .
In terms of common sense, Vegitto's Goku is an inferior fighter to his GT self and not only did Goku base became strong to handle other ssj's but so did his other forms.
SSJ4 for whatever reason seems to overpower magic as well enough to make Goku and adult in that form.
Gt vegito grins 😈
Forget end of gt end of z goku could kick veggitos ass to the next dimension
Vegito gets dunked on by ssj1 GT Goku lol
Haha no lol
😂😂😂
@@ieatrocks8422 debate me
@@ieatrocks8422 dbgt goten>>>>>>>>>>ssj3 vegito let alone gt goku.you could even argue pan could beat him😂
@@extremelegendsupreme4596 actually even gt pan could kill vegito theoretically
Good video. But Goku just meant Nova Shenron was the strongest dragon so far. I love GT and would love anything that buffs GT Goku, but there's no reason to take things out of context.
I think goku in z if he went super saiyan 4 he would be weaker then vegito but in gt he's stronger
Stronger than base vegito but weaker than ssj
Vigito solos
no
You probably can’t scale L E V I Op
Super Saiyan Goku EOZ is Overwhelmingly Stronger than Super Saiyan Vegito. Whoever created power scale went outta there way to shit on GT. Very biased, and have no clue what their talkin bout power scaling-wise.
Poo-tora
You might be right about Gt Base Goku Tanking Omega Shenron attack but istill don't agree because the context of the scene.. in the interview regarding that it, it was stated Goku became something else or he really did died as stated ib Interview and Link Below:
Where did Goku go on Shenlong’s back at the very end?
To be honest, in GT episode 63, just before the final episode, a big change comes over Goku. Those who watched carefully might have noticed, but… In that episode, Goku, who takes Yi Xing Long‘s attack, sinks to the bottom of a deep hole. That is the turning point. Afterward, Goku still continues the battle, but what’s different from before is that he’s cloaked in an aura that won’t let any attack near him.
It might be that he died there, or it might be that he became something else entirely. I’ll leave that decision to the imaginations of everyone who watched. However, the Goku up to that point that everyone knows clearly does not appear after that.
In the world of Dragon Ball, Goku had already died multiple times, and up till then, each time he appeared with a halo over his head. However, I didn’t want to go with the usual concept of, “even when he dies, he comes right back to life”. I wanted the viewers to picture “death” in that way, and feel a sadness close to it in reality. So I had a “change” come over Goku.
And then after that, once he defeats Yi Xing Long and grants the final wish, Goku goes right off with Shenlong and the Dragon Balls, to somewhere that people definitely can’t get to. While wishing that people will be able to get by on their own strength in a world without the Dragon Balls. And Vegeta is the only one who notices where he’s headed.
Except, I personally go ahead and imagine… that Goku might unexpectedly show up, just at Chi-Chi’s, from time to time. Yes, unexpectedly….
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The line “Shenlong’s back… it sure is warm…”, which Goku says at the very end, is apparently something that was suggested at a much earlier stage and then thawed out for the final episode.
www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/dragon-ball-gt-dragon-book-dragon-ball-q-atsushi-maekawa-story-qa/
i mean it isn't really relevant whether he is dead or alive.