Are Longer Limbs More Forgiving? | What happens When Changing the Length of Your Recurve Bow
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- čas přidán 31. 10. 2020
- Does your bow fit you properly? What would be the potential benefits and drawbacks of changing your bow length? Are longer bows more forgiving? Are shorter bows faster? All of these questions are common things to wonder, I cover benefits and drawbacks to changing your recurve olympic style bow length in this video.
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I went to a seminar with Coach Kim a little while ago. He said that Park Sung-Hyun (his favourite archer) did shoot a 70in bow, but she did it because the shape of her face meant she needed a shallower string angle to get a good reference. He didn't say whether other Korean women did the same thing, but I imagine they do pay a lot of attention to prioritising good reference points rather than using their draw length as a guideline for selecting bow length.
Nice I've wanted a video on this for ages, thanks jake!
After watching this I am happy with my choice of 25" riser and medium limbs @29" draw gives me a 68" bow that feels good to shoot.
What riser and limbs did you go with? I'm trying to get into something similar to a hoyt satori. I was thinking about satori riser and black wolf limbs. Thoughts appreciated
You are truly a wealth of knowledge for beginner archers like myself. Thanks for your videos mate!
Very interesting and meaningful. I guess one's got to experiment to have the answer.
I think shorter bows are less forgiving because for the same draw length, limbs flex more. So, when you let go, limbs snaps back with longer power stroke. So, any mistake archer make that influence the arrow for longer time.
just to say, Jakes 'tuning for performance' book is an amazing resource.
you are honest and great.
Great stuff! Thanks very much!
Thanks a lot! So many info!
I know finger pinch - Jake is absolutely correct (as usual). I started out just a few years ago with a 62" Samick Sage - my fingers started hurting a lot! I came to realize that it was because I had (have) about a 32" draw which clearly does not work well with shorter rigs. I now shoot 25" and 27" risers with long limbs and the combo feels great.
Hi Jake, having recently come back to archery after some life changing problems, I wonder if I would be better off moving from 66" to 68"?
Thanks for what you are doing for the Archery community! 😊😊😊😊😊😊🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧
Also for people with shoulder and back issues the same wt limbs on a longer bow are smoother and easier to draw and kinder to shoulders and back.
Great class
I can confirm that high string angle makes for a less forgiving setup for finger placement on the string. I shoot a 58" hybrid longbow with about 29" draw length. Any variance of finger placement on the string kills consistency hard.
This is rather interesting when you demonstrated how the length affects how well you could anchor. For me, I have a 68" bow, but i can't comfortably anchor under or side of my chin because my bottom jaw is in front of top, so if I were try placing my string on my nose and chin, my hand is some distance away from my face so I use a shelf on my tab. Perhaps, I should try out a longer bow.
Another great helpful vid!!!!! Sounds like we can get away with 25 in riser, longer limbs, mostly would affect feel without compromising shot consistency :)
Bow length not so much for me since I shot 3 fingers under ! I will say draw weight is more of an issue ! The higher the poundage puts more stress on my muscles and joints and overloads my memory of what I should be paying attention to at full draw , good form and follow through !
and yes it fits me properly i am 5.11 and it worked great until recently
String angle difference between my 44" ata compound bow and my friends 30" ata compound bow is pretty drastic.
I shoot his shorter bow much better than my own. Go figure?
There's lots of other variables of course.
Good video, thank you.
The “forgiving” thing was not just about “longer bow”. Time was - early days of take-downs - that folk would say that a 66” bow made with a long riser and short limbs was faster but more “critical” (less forgiving) than a 66” bow made with a short riser and long limbs. I think Marksman (or maybe Yamaha?)even made a point of reommending against the latter combo.
This comment was before we get to 14’ when Jake says he prefers the short limb/long riser combo. Something tells me we may be looking at more archery folklore ….
Hi Jake. For barebow and stringwalking purposes , are longer limbs more stable? With short / legal weights. What's your opinion on that matter? Greetings from Bariloche Argentina
I always thought that a longer bow, if slightly canted, would not be as far off as if a short bow was slightly canted. I know shooting compound, that is much easier to keep the level, level, than a shorter bow.
Hi Jake, just got a new bow and I'm glad I picked the long limbs, nicer on the fingers for my 29 dl.
But I have a new problem that maybe you could help me with.
I went with the Formula Xi and long Velos 38# limbs, and I can't see my sight at 18 meters as it's blocked by the riser.
I'm using the high Vertatune plate, and would like to continue using it.
My face is really standard, not long or something.
Do you know what I can do? Is it common?
Hey Jake whats the leg pressure?
Thanks for answering
I have that book
In case a long riser with short limbs, the tip travels longer, so small movements during the release can effect the arrow flight.
you should put together a 27 inch riser short limb bow and sale it it could be your "pro model" offer diffrent levels of tuning so you could have the option to go big or be budget... id buy it where can i preorder? lol even do a build your own arrows like the pros kit...
Thank you for this enlightening video. For barebow shooting, would you recommend a 27" riser and medium limbs rather than a 25" riser and longer limbs, for extra weight? - the shape of the nose not being an issue here, as far as I can tell.
Hi Jake, another question: doesn't lighter string Will affect the arrow making it more flexible because the string Will be faster?
Hi Jake, as for the book: any ebook/pdf version available ? Would be much easier at the range. Plus I don’t destroy my hard copy with your sig.
Not yet, will be on iTunes eventually but no pdf... hard to stop free distribution of the book that way
do you have kindle version of the book?
Hi Jake really enjoy your videos. I have an female adult archer that has a 24 inch draw length. She wants to shoot outdoors and having trouble with attaining enough draw weight to do so. She has a 25 inch riser with 36 lbs short limbs. The limbs stack and it is a lot of weight but she only gets around 32 lbs at full draw (24 inches). Would it be advisable to go to medium limbs so that she is not stacking as much with the possibility of moving up in limb weight? I think she will loose arrow speed but the stack at full draw would be more manageable. Is that correct?
Can you define correct amount of twists in a string ?
Short spanner long spanner on a tight nut and bolt ,which will you choose ? A 66 has speed a 70 has more torque , less speed easier to control .
Hi
At 7:24, you said:
heavier string makes the arrow weaker
Is it correct or a mistake ?
From my understanding, "heavier string" means a string with more strands, so this string is slower and then makes the arrow stiffer.... for a fixed bow length
Jake for barebow longer riser and shorter limbs are better?
Hi Jake I want to go to a 64" bow. I'm short with a short draw length. I'm only using 23" riser but want short limbs
Where can I find info for kids and bow lengths, etc? My son is barely hitting 20in draw. I'm trying to find a better fit than he has now. 21"riser with 22#short limbs makes it 62" . We are still newish but I believe it's too long to get the proper flexion needed to hit the distance needed.
For barebow and string walking, I've heard many people say you should combine longer limbs with a shorter riser. What do you think about that? Great vid as ever!
25" riser and long limbs feel great to me... Would I use a 17" riser? probably not, limbs aren't long enough for that.
I think one of the unmentioned benefits to a shorter bow/ riser is for hunting. It’s easier to walk through brush and take shots in a variety of awkward positions. I know that that is not the primary theme of the channel, but it seems worth mentioning.
I am a beginner looking to purchase my first bow. My draw length is 24, but I am having difficulty selecting a bow - perhaps, as a beginner, I am not reading the information correctly.. but I am struggling to find a bow that offers that draw length. Charts say I should get a 60" bow, but when I search for them on Amazon, I find their draw lengths are much higher than 24.. do you have advice?
I am thinking that people should ALWAYS get longer bow than the calculation. Longer bow means less string angle, smoother draw, avoid stacking.
The drawback of longer bow is you dont harness your bow to its maximum capability. But it's ok. Just use heavier limb than you used to be.
Let say using calculation, my drawlength is 26. I should use 66 bow. And my usual drawweight is 34. I change to 68 bow with 36 limb. With the same draw length, the 68 bow give me smoother draw and i compensate the loss of energy by switcing to heavier limb.
I am even thinking using 70 bow with 38 limb.
Thoughts?
@jakeminski with a draw 30" what would you recomend 68" or 70"?
when you say 29 inches dl, is it real dl or + 1.75 or from the top of the riser
For a 28.5" draw-length, would you recommend a 62" or 66" hunting bow length setup?
i bought a new riser and i loaded my limbsand the bow started the cracking sound I thought I would try a new limb so I went out and bought a new set of limbs and it still has the cracking sound I bought the limbs yester day when I shot it at the shop it did not crack
Does the amount of recurve affect the speed of the limb?
I use 21 riser 64” overall with 29.5 DL
Big nose, no chin?
Hello Jake, thanks for great videos. Im still trying to find my first Recurve bow. This video helps a lot.
But i dont know about draw weight. What was your draw weight when you competed at the Olympics ? What you recommend to someone who starts shooting? Thanks.
Hi Jake.
Please help me. How I can correctly measure length of the my barebow, 25' riser with 70' limbs.
Is the length measured from tip to tip of the limbs, or is the length of the string measured? Should my 25' riser & 70' limbs be 177.2cm long measured from tip to tip of limbs?
Thank you very much
Best regards
Mihailo
How to calculate bow length? Is it tip to tip or else? Pls guide
Great video Jake. Yes the perennial question of what bow length. Good topic. I shoot 29. 5" arrows and have always shot a 68" bow, that's medium limbs and a 25" riser. It's been good to me. However another deciding factor of bow length also depends on how fat your string fingers are. Sounds odd but I'm sure that's a factor. My fingers are fairly slim, so I guess my set up suits me. You look like you have large hands so it's not surprising a 68" set up would cause you problems. Seeing your video I may try a 27" GT riser because I'm about to get a new riser. My limbs are a set of super WinWin ExPowers medium which I will not part with. They are such a superb limb.
keep in mind that you´ll lose around 2# OTF for the same limbs when going from 25 to 27
every time i load my string an I shoot the bow it sounds like a crack after that it shoots normally
When saying >29" DL for long limbs, is that true DL (to pivot point) or AMO DL (pivot +1.75")?
My true DL is 28.25", AMO DL is 30"
How do I get that hat?
I'm getting my first setup, and am having problems picking riser length, I'm a 30.5dl and can't decide between 25, 27in riser both with long limbs is 2in going to make a big difference
Eh I wouldn't say it would, but the face fit would make more of a difference.
So for a DL of about 26.5, what would be the ideal size, 66" or 68"? If 68" which combination, 25 riser and mediums, or 27 riser and shorts? For Barebow btw
probably 66" better. However fitting your face would be the deciding factor IMHO
Is there any difference for barebow? I've read that many barebow archers like a particularly long bow because the flatter string angle has less influence on the shot at different crawls. There doesn't seem to be a consensus as to whether achieving this with a longer riser or longer limbs is the best way. It seems like it's more of a feel thing, but I was wondering if you have any insight.
this effect depends on bow lenght.
shorter limbs are faster because they are less mass.
the faster your arrow is the smaler is the effect of a error/fault in your shot.
so short limbs with long riser is the way to go to use all advantages while minimizing the disadvantages
@@Stephanthesearcher thank you for restating what the video said, but it doesn't actually address my question at all.
John Demmer III, who has a ~28.5"-29" draw length prefers and has been shooting 72" bows. 27" risers are very popular in the barebow community. There is likely a reason for that, and that's what I was asking.
I shoot barebow 21” riser overall 64” @ 29.5” DL. I chose a hunting bow to shoot trad and hunting bows are always smaller, so I’d say shorter is the way to go.
What does forgiving mean?
Uhkka & Border make extra long limbs so on a 25" riser they make a 72" bow, 27" riser for 74" bow. Due to the limited choices of 27" risers, would it be better to get a 25" riser and the extra long limbs or a 27" riser and long limbs? I suspect the 27" riser would probably be the answer but has anyone shot a 25" riser with extra long limbs before? Of course these limbs aren't exactly cheap.
However it seems that companies like Hoyt and W&W aren't making any of their new models as 27" options now. W&W still make the Inno CXT at 27" (an old model), Uhkka, Fivics & Gillo have 27" models too but all of these are high end models with Gillo being the cheapest. After seeing the tuning trouble Jake had I'd be hesitant to get one unless using the Gillo limbs. About the only 27" riser that I know of that isn't crazy expensive is Merlin Archery's Mybo Wave XL at £305 & looks to be a semi decent riser. I couple of people at my club have the Mybo Elite risers and seem very happy with them.
Really depends on draw length
Less than 24 hours after I wrote this, Hoyt releases a new Xceed 27".
Also Gillo has a 29"
Hi Jake, I don’t think the female archery team (chang hye jin, ki bo bae, choi misun and kang chae young) use 70" limbs. I talked to an athlete who was on the same shooting line as them and she told me they use 66" limbs, I tried to confirm this information asking them on social media, but I never received an answer, can you confirm?
Hard to say, may shot long limbs in the past but I do not know as of today.
On average what would you say the arrow weight and fps is when you are shooting competition?
Id have to weigh my arrows. They are 29" raw shaft length 450 spine X10, pin nocks and 100 grain points. shooting somewhere around 205 fps but will have to confirm.
I'm starting to get into ILF bows. Bow A is 66" with a 23" riser, and Bow B is 68" with a 25" riser. If I switch limbs, would Bow A then become 64" and Bow B become 70"?
No they would be the same, the risers are changing the bow length in your case. Not the limbs.
@@JakeKaminskiArchery Thank you for your reply. Putting medium 66" limbs (referenced to a 25" riser) on Riser A, which is 23", would make it a 64" bow, since the 66" limbs are being moved from a 25" riser to a 23" riser, two inches shorter, right?
I'll know more when I have both bows in front of my and start physically doing the switching and measuring. Right now, it's all just in my head, as the bows are on order.
I'm trying to anticipate the variables at play when I start switching things around: draw weight, nocking points, string length, etc.
The way to solve it is not to anchor against your nose or any part of your face at all. I'm 56" tall and have a 33" draw length my bow is 72" when strung and draws at 80lb. Find all of your shooting style to be difficult to relate to. Perhaps it because of different types of archery.
@jakekaminski with a 33" draw would you go 70 or 72?
72..
72 if you can
@@JakeKaminskiArchery Also, gillo produces a 29 riser and Uukha a set of XL limbs, both combined Will give a... 76" bow.
@@laurentsouchaud1371 With a bow like that you can start using lamposts as arrows.
i hate the weightless bows i shoot 50lbs and cant get the right weight for me and I don't have the tech to build my own unless some one comes and teach me how to build them
i have 32,5" and the 72" bow still short for me :(
Consider yourself lucky. I have a freakish 34" draw (measured with amo)
@@yevgeniikisarauskas5085 right, I have 32 at the plunger, so amo is longer :/
dis brady shoot a 72 inch bow
Warum ist beim Bogen deiner Tochter das Visier vor dem Riser montiert? Üblicherweise sind Visiere hinter dem Riser.
Because she couldn’t reach the distance and if you turn it around, you can shoot further.
i see all bows under 45lbsas weightless don't enjoy shooting them it is like shooting a 22 rifle and using plastic beeds
It matters so little after while you state to realize every hobby on earth is plagued with bs marketing.