Only Great Games Have This Problem
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- čas přidán 18. 06. 2023
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I hate endings. That was actually the original title of this video! Anyway, this is a problem that games like Elden Ring, Tears of the Kingdom, Xenoblade, and plenty of other games face. But the catch is that the better they are, the worse it is!
Songs Used:
Shop- Legend of Zelda OOT
Prey Everything is going to be ok
Resurrections: Celeste
Allmother Narwa Monster Hunter Rise
Awake: Celeste
Keves Day: Xenoblade 3
Forsaken City Sever the skyline Celeste B side
Madeline and Theo: Celeste
Jeez, lots of Celeste music in this one huh?
#eldenring
#tearsofthekingdom
#xenobladechronicles3 - Hry
Actually, that post game "depression" is one of my favorite parts of the experience; finishing the game always makes me feel a bit wistful, and reflective, but it also feels final and satisfying. It's emotional, and figuring out what I can take from the experience is one of the best parts of it for me. It's almost meditative.
I just feel the need to digest what I just experienced, that post game depression is just the period I need to look back at the whole experience and just reminisce for a day or two
Ye, it can be more like a deep post-game "nostalgia" than a post-game "depression", i prefer to view it that way too
but then again, sometimes it's just straight up literally depressing (im looking at you nier automata 👀)
...I love that feeling. It means I've experienced something meaningful. Only a percentage of games I play manage to do this. I cherish it.
The idea of attempting to dodge this feeling seems surreal. A little pain for an experience that you will remember the rest of your life. Seems fair to me.
For me I wouldnt call it post-game depression, because depression is something awful, for me that void that You feel while hurting and making You feel sad I actually like feeling it, cause it means that I connected with the story deeply and that feeling is proof of it
Journey absolutely destroyed me. I no-lifed League of Legends for 6 years. To have a game that didn't have communication, no contest. It was refreshing. I choked back sobs thou seeing it wasn't just one person with me along the way, but upwards of 10. I couldn't tell the entire time, and to come from such a toxic game to where everyone was helpful to the end goal was unique. I'll never be able to play that game the same again because of it.
I'm so sorry. I also lost 5 years of my life to league. Play rocket league, it's definitely the better league game.
Journey was magical. I remember buying it and playing through it in one sitting once it first came out, it was such a different and unique experience compared to anything else I had ever played at that point. The only thing I think is important though for games like these to work, is to experience at least some of the trash that makes most of the games out there. They are what truly makes actually good games shine so much more and become what they are. If we only had good games around, most of them would in reality be considered mediocre, because we don't have anything to compare them to other than high quality games. You need to have bad times to fully enjoy the good times.
Lol rocket league is just as toxic, but i agree its a way better competitive game all around yeah
@@jmm00702 shit not on ps4/5 at least. All u have is the auto chat msgs
I mean so fucking sorry about your loss
I hope your life improves in the future
The answer that you're looking for in this video is called new game plus
It’s never the same
nah, replaying a game while it's still fresh in your memory is pretty boring
Depends of if the new game plus give some exclusive content like Nier:automata or Undertale or even a mass effect NG+ with best outcome unlocked.
Unfortunately not all NG+ are like those....
@@marcmirre5149 Yeah I don't even consider those really NG+. Those games you're basically meant to play through repeated to clear the game completely. Even Dark Souls, my favorite game of all time, I still preferred to just replay with new builds over new game plus.
@@bdaniels4627 so i hear the argument but in that case, the NG+ with your definition is something i consider as a option that should not exist lol
The good old "start a new game" option is totally enough
Also "intended" i do not know if it is enough to totally disregard the fact that you start again. I for myself didn't choose to do a "NG+" in Undertale because i was fullfiled by my pacifist run. (undertale has implicit data carry over save that you figure out only after starting over ... So Undertale is an odd ball)
But not everyone has this reflex to NG+. I have a friend that told me "the NG+ of Nier:AUTOMATA is called NIER:REPLICANT" so ...
"There have been entire games I've never finished because I was afraid of feeling that post game depression." holy crap, I thought I was the only one who did that.
Great video, I also finished Outer Wilds recently, the game really shows you the importance that some things are better over than stuck without an end, as hard as the "goodbye" may be (trying to not write spoilers). oh, you might have forgotten to import the cards at the end. Keep it up!
You're totally right, I did forget the end screen! Thanks for letting me know! I can't actually fix this since youtube doesn't allow end screens to be longer than 15 seconds or so, which is unfortunate but it's not a huge deal, I'm not super worried about it
I recently played through Final Fantasy X, and the feelings you talk about in this video are exactly what I experienced. I loved the world, the combat was so refined, the aesthetic and vibe are immaculate, I adored the story and characters and connected with them in a way I haven't experienced in a game in probably at least three years. And I binged it in a way I haven't done in ages. After it ended, I felt a big sense of loss. It just so happens that the ending *FFX SPOILERS* matches those sorts of feelings perfectly. Of losing something. Of having to go on without it. Of "waking up" so to speak. It was an extremely poignant sort of immersion, and reminder that some things just don't last forever. But the chance to experience them and carry them with you is more than worth the pain of having to give them up.
I still need to play it I do know some of the spoilers unfortunately
me too man i had previously gone and binged every single final fantasy game up until 10 and i knew from that point onward that the gameplay was going to go though major changes for example turn based combat was going to cease to exist from 11 and onward. the way the games are now are still good but just not for the same reasons that every game that came out before 11 were. this makes 10's ending even more poetic if you look at it the way you had described, where some things just don't last forever in this case the classic turn based combat was lost but a new way for final fantasy as a series to express itself was gained because of this loss.
I am on the final boss of that game and I havent played in a month😂
This is a really beautiful idea, and I'm glad you captured it in this video today. I'm glad you could also tie it to other bittersweet endings you've experienced in day-to-day life!
Yeah as far as the topic goes, I think this is one of my favorite ones that I've ever covered. I've wanted to talk about it for a while and I'm really happy with how it came out!
My roommate has been playing Dark Souls off and on for a year or so. He’s been at the Gwin fight for a little while now and has said he’s dreading actually finishing it. I told him to pay a visit to Oolacile
"The culmination of love is grief."
-Faye, God of War Ragnorak
I remember the big huge debate last year about whether Elden Ring or Ragnarok deserved GOTY. Now, I would have been perfectly happy with either winning. They both deserved it, but unfortunately they both came out in the same year.
While I'm a long time FromSoftware fanboy and I loved Elden Ring, there was a moment where the culmination of story, music, and emotional impact in Ragnarok just made me start sobbing. It hit me in a way that nothing in Elden Ring did.
Game truly is a masterpiece.
I don't get this feeling very often from games, I think the last one that gave me post-game depression might've been Nier Automata. But I can very quickly bounce back form that by distracting myself with another game, or watching some anime or whatever. Much like what your friend said, I see that feeling as it being very clear how much I treasured that game. Though this doesn't mean when I say I hardly feel the depression it's cause most games these days suck (they don't, and anyone who says that doesn't play many games), it only happens with the most amazing of games, particularly story games.
But I am also someone who doesn't get very emotionally attached to things, so that certainly may be why I have an easy time getting over it. I think it's a perfectly good feeling to hold and shouldn't be something you're afraid of experiencing.
NieR Automata really did a number on me a few months ago as well. I've never experienced a game before which explored (and dragged out) the whole range of Emotions available to me in such a merciless but also meaningful way.
From the day I started playing the game until the day I finished the game, for both BotW and TotK I, finished the first 98% of the game in 60% of the time; and the last 2% of the game in the remaining 40% of the time for this very reason. But, man, when I got to the end both games left me in tears.
It helped a lot that the ending point was obvious and I could delay it for as long as I wanted to. It also helps that there's so much extra content besides the main game.
Oddly, what you're describing is tantamount to overcoming an addiction, albeit in a micro bite-sized way. What people who have never come into direct contact with an addiction don't realize is that stopping the behavior of addiction, stopping the specific action, isn't really the problem with solving/overcoming an addiction, it's overcoming the hole that's left behind the change in behavior.
To be clear, I'm not suggesting that becoming immersed in a game is _the same_ as a harmful addiction, only that dealing with the aftermath of that immersion runs surprisingly parallel to addiction, and as such, your suggested remedies don't stray a great distance from conventional wisdom in addiction recovery programs. Other achievable tips might include focusing on eating healthy, finding positive social interactions where possible, and spending time outdoors and in nature.
I agree on the part that playing to escape reality is definitely something to be wary of.
On the other hand "eating healthy, finding positive social interactions where possible, and spending time outdoors and in nature" is just putting oinment on a bleeding wound >
@@marcmirre5149 There are a lot of reasons people end up struggling with addiction beyond depression, but it's certainly one of the more common ones.
My suggestions were offered as ways one might fill the void left behind, not as any kind of solution in and of themselves. They just tend to represent some things people who have been struggling with addictions have often neglected.
Having something lined up is great but there is a lot I believe in leaving some space between the next thing, both to be present in the real world and appreciate the art. They say we retain art in our memories better the longer we interface with it. I see that post game meditation as part of that expereince, running through my thoughts and piecing together my opinion is all part of it for me. Otherwise we just end up in the constant cycle of distraction and desperate to fill the "what next" hole.
"Speedrunner : Heh, Amateurs."
This is great, and I absolutely know that feeling. In fact, I've known it since I was 10 years old or so, when Digimon Tamers had ended. This was around the time I wanted to become a writer for the first time, and this sadness at the end of a beloved work of art, I often use it as a drive - I want to write stuff that would give the audience that same feeling.
I'm literally in bed right now, sick for playing too much Legend of Zelda TOTK.. haha.. did not regret it..
Great Video going over that feeling many of experience but don't talk about. I usually do one of two things with games I love.
1. I do the method where I start playing a secondary game that takes over my previous time as I wrap up the first title.
2. Depending on the game sometimes I'll give it a day or two then start a second play through with my updated perspective.
I am with your friend on this one. I still feel the post-game depression, but it doesn't feel devasting. I was glad to have been on the journey and I see these memories as treasures.
Yo never expected to hear some of preys ost as back round music. More people should.
0:40 That's why the ending of YIIK was so nice. It basically tells you how the game goes on in the real world.
While playing Zelda ToTK, I try not to defeat the boss and enemy too fast so that I can see all of their attacks and behavior, that's when I knew I really love the game. Similarly, I actually did every side quest in Xenoblade, something that I've never done even just one in other games. When the game is really good, your goal become experienced the game instead of finishing it.
this is actually so relatable because a couple months back i got up to date with one piece, which had around 1060 episodes at the time. One piece was my life, and i watched it every day at any moment i got. The bittersweet feeling of getting up to date and then getting up to date with the manga left a massive hole in my regular schedule and honestly i still dont know what to replace it with. I had been watching one piece for months and months
May I recommend the Jujutsu Kaisen hype train? We're currently in the most peak fight of the entire series, and series is ending this year. Good time to get into it if you're not already. Season 2 of the anime is also dropping in 16 days.
@@whirlwind872Can you give me like a very general broad non spoiler idea of why it’s so great? I’ve only read one manga being One Piece, and am looking for a new one so maybe jujitsu kaisen?
@oXRaptorzXo it's like a perfected form of naruto/bleach/hunter x hunter etc where there's a deep and complex power system, compelling characters, mystery and intrigue, tons of theory crafting, 10/10 fights, constant hype
Anime season 1 covers through chapter 63. That part is less crazy, but after ch 64 (and starting season 2 of anime) is when the series truly shifts into high gear. From that point on its non stop high gear action
how great is it thatbill never have to stop playing celeste due to the ever-rising amount of high quality mods, the ever rising difficulty of them (that means i cant try and fail and practice a short room for hours before completing it), and the extreme replayability achieved through deathless challenges, speedrunning, tasing, etc
I’ve been playing Elden ring since summer 2022 and I’ve just gotten to mountaintop of the giants and am 160hrs in and level 147, I will have that feeling again soon.
I don't now what feeling is that? I love when stuff ends.
That was *sniffle* BEAUTIFUL!!!!! 😭
Great video keep up the work
Thank you!
Having important hobbies might also help. More often I just stop playing games because I have more important things to do before I really finished them.
I used to get this feeling often since it meant being swept back into mmo addiction but ever since I broke away from mmos, I look forward to reaching the end since it's just a little bit of time before being able to find something else I'm interested in and going through it. I think the only time I was really sad to finish something was probably getting to Trails of Cold Steel 4 and being stuck on the "waiting for new release" line but even that eventually passed with me trying to branch out to other games like Ace Combat, Gta 4, and so on.
I mean, no game has ever made me as sad as when a couple good friends moved away, they don't use the internet very often, and the space between us seems insurmountable now.
The fact that I've obviously felt this feeling and you pointed it out, just makes me realize I should probably touch grass instead of analogue sticks, lol.
Pointing out the problem makes the hobby seem even more ridiculous to be honest
Post game depression is the reason why i sometimes never finish games. I just always want to have the option to go back and play my favourite game! But on the other hand im a completionist so i want and NEED to finish my games :( And once i did it, i really have nothing i can do there again. Modding kinda helps in some games like celeste but others really are a one time thing :(
The hardest i had this feeling was also the LAST time i had it. It was in 2020 when i bindged 110 hours of MGSV Phantom pain in 1-2weaks. The finale just before the credis was one of the few of the most heartbreaking scenes in that game, and then credits just roll. BUT, then it made me happy AF and made me cry when the "chpater 2" popped on the screen, I was like: "thank god its not over." And then i discovered it is right here where kojima couldnt finish the game , and it was actually a final mission. I was coping that there is more so much, LOL. Bindged more of thos cut content vids etc.
And i dont remeber having this feeling ever recently, iguess because i've been watching more then or a half of my gaming. Everything i get exited about are either exclusives (on not cheap consoles.) or something i dont want to get for the full price but i want to play and see it NOW. xD
Like right now i cant think about anything but FFXVI after seeing that NUCLEAR demo.
And even tho Elden ring was the most anticipated game in my whole life, it never gave me that sad contemplation period. But not because it wasnt good enough, but because i was expecting it to end like 6 times. And there was more, and more and more, each and every time. It made me happy and suprised for every single one.
That one about Elden Ring, on point. I kept expecting to reach the end of the map but it kept going.
TotK on the other hand has this weird seems smaller than I thought feeling but is actually pretty big and fun to roam.
Great points, and i think this problem can become greatly excacerbated if you're playing through a series lol. I wasn't sure what to do with myself after catching up to the Yakuza series, after spending almost a year playing those games back to back and getting attached to all the recurring characters.
Having games lined up definitely helps, and i find it especially useful to play multiple games at once, with one 'major' game i play the vast majority of the time. I'm also an avid reader which helps-always a book to get back to that i was probably stalling after being too engrossed in the game 😂
It’s why I haven’t finished totk yet, I’m not ready for it to end yet
Great pain comes from great joy. The greater the joy the greater the pain. Robbing yourself of that joy is wrong.
3:04 those are the same people who left the theatre crying after that shitty avatar movie ended
"It is just a video game" >.< if someone says that i think, it is unlikely that the guy saying that would cry at the end of avatar.... I'm confused
@@marcmirre5149 many people demean video games and put them in a lesser league than those of television and films.
@@SpaceRider15 Yeah those definitely exist sure. But to have THAT MUCH of a difference XD .
Though If they have then their logic are messed up
When i play a great game, I play a completely different type of game the next day. That way i wont be comparing the games, and I'll be able to enjoy both. In the last 2-3 months, i played TOTK, then Last of Us part 1, then Sekiro, in that order. They were all incredible.
In addition, i dont replay games right away. I give myself a year or more so I can give the game a chance to surprise me and give me a new adventure.
i know the feeling but i never thougth about ways to stop feeling it. its kind of a bad feeling but its a good sign that we feel it. it means the game was that good. what i do is i always look forward for the games and adventures that will come. if i end a realy good game maybe it will take some time to find another as good but it will come.
Yknow, while making a list of different things to varying results, I feel all of that is unnecessary when you take a few things to mind.
Set realistic boundaries and expectations. Don't let one piece of media consume you; its imperative to allow yourself to have a wide berth of hobbies and interests because once one ends, you have other things to do. As long as you have a good in-between for your personal level of suspension of disbelief, it shouldn't be an issue. The "what now" never happens because you've turned yourself into a one trick pony. That's what happens with fans/stans; once that media they revolved around ends, they take to the fandom to continue it in a reluctance to let go.
I've noticed you talked about just playing multiple games, but I never really found that to work. The more varying the activity, like reading, learning a trade, exercising, etc paired with videogames it removes a lot of the sting of letting go of something good.
Tl;dr if you frequently struggle with post game depression, unironically consider therapy. Develop yourself and your personality. It's pretty helpful!
This is unironically really good advice. I noticed that as my life got more busy and crowded, post game depression affected me *way* less, primarily because I reached a point where the game didn't totally consume my life since it literally couldn't lol
I do number 2 a lot. I always have a second game lined up ready to play after I finish the one I'm currently playing.
So i never really had that post game depression, may be the fact that i am one of those psycho who try to get the 100% completion might play a role with it.
But to me there are several reasons why someone plays video games which @mhswoocer omitted.
1. Escaping reality (as said in the video) : There a line in the Netflix show "sense 8" that hit home
-To what do we recognize a drug addit
-To the desire to escape reality
2. Killing time : Here not getting bored is the main goal but since we talk about "good games". (i will give my definition of "good games" once i listed the reasons)
3. Feel/think something : Getting the chance to be able to live a experience you cannot in reality, and learning from it.
4. Stress relief : I stressed while playing "Stardew valley" because real time gameplay... So i think this category depends highly of the player
Good game : A game that has every mechanics revolving around a theme, and manage to convey this theme without directly telling you ,while keeping you immersed.
Of course I rate any fictional work through this order : Story/Consistency/Character building/Pace. For a video game i am on the look out for those first. "immersion" is quite bound to the "consistency" of the world you evolve in and your emotional involvement on what you are doing.
"The Problem That Only Affects Good Games" for me is quite off. "The Problem I face only while i play affects good games". I think the "problem" is more about mhswoocer than "good games".
The feeling of lost is called mourning ^^' and it is not only about death. You said one of the solution : If there is a hole, file it with something similar of what was there in the first place.
Also the sadness phase of mourning is usually when someone focus on the lost. But the acceptance phase is about realizing what you gain from it.
I always finish my games. The main reason to why i am doing so Is because, I do not if the last second of the game will be the one that i will grow from.
Not everybody will understand the way we feel about it.
So just as a sidenote: Consider this to be fairly extreme to other people. Like the person setting next to you in the cinema not caring about the protagonist's death in the final act.
Saying "oh, it's over", skipping the credits. While we still sit there.
Greif is the price you pay for love
- A Wise Man
Nothing gives me this feeling more than finishing an mhswoocer video 😔
Don't worry, there will always be another one!
Awesome video! Relly touching!
Thank you so much!
I used to play a bunch of Metroidvanias that gave me this kind of feeling.
My solution was just to lay off these one and done experiences.
Just relive the experience vicariously
Its been One year since I finished Celeste and I replayed it a month ago so the music in this video really hit hard.
I love that feeling! I love all strong feelings art amd entertainment make me experience. I love feeling sad, joyous, angry, surprised. I love it because I am not a little child who doesn't understand his emotions, or a teenage who is convinced there are good amd bad feelings.
I hate that feeling so thats why i play game that doesnt ends, are multiplayer or got lots of replaybility. Elden ring is never over for me
Thanks for the vid
Thanks for watching!
I personally never feel like I run into this problem that much because my favorite games tend to be highly replayable. Perhaps one of my biggest motivations while playing is gaining mastery over the game's mechanics (which is something I never can truly do on a first playthrough)
Examples include Dark Souls, Super Mario 64, Pikmin, StarCraft, competitive games in general, and Paper Mario (Danger Mario strats are the best!)
I just watch youtube videos and streams of that game, look at fanart and stuff. I actually hate to jump straight into another game after finishing really good one, I need that period when I can reflect and miss the game.
Beating Xenoblade makes me feel like i will not play anything as great for a long time.
Some games I feel like I need to 100% and see everything, others have so much content that I will never even see because the game is just that big. Post game content definitely helps with avoiding post game depression since there will always be something else to go to after playing it
Anyone know what game is being played at 4:39?
CrossCode
So… on the topic of the opening question, I’m so glad that marvel’s guardians of the galaxy had an “it’s rewind time” button in the form of new game plus lol
The whole point of Undertale is that this feeling is necessary
what do you mean?
Mentions Sunzu, shows Bible. 😂
The secret is to get married and/or run your own business. You'll be angry the game wont just end already.
I'm sure it would also help to just see games as a target of conquest, that will both encourage a sense of accomplishment upon completion and also encourage you to compete more of the game.
I'm still not done with totk because despite being at the end, I need - in order for my victory to be complete - to finish the side stories with the Gazette, the yiga, the monuments, the pirates, etc.
Ultimately I think the "post game depression" is a hedonistic problem, and building your life outside games will help.
Then again part of my job is literally making friends with people I will never talk to again so maybe I just don't get it.
Pretty good conclusion, I like that. Outer Wilds gave me a hard post game depression, but that also means I still keep thinking about it, but in a good way. Everything good in the world ends.
This is something that's totally out of the control of the consumer, but I've found that the games that ask you to carry something of it to the real world don't really hurt me that much when I finish them, also feeling fulfilled is good, if you love a game but once it's over you can't help but think about all the questions left unsolved(xenoblade 3 and Kingdom Hearts 3 I'm looking at you) it's really hard to feel like you're done with the game, because it feels like the game is not done with you, even if you've already poured almost 200 hours and done every side quest.
Showed up to be entertained. Left sad 10/10
I have been taking the second solution for, like, 20 years now. It's a safe bet
So disappointed that point No.3 isn't hit the subscribed button.
I realized that I forgot to sneak in a sub button joke when I was about 80% done editing the video, I guess I was just too focused on subject matter lol
@@mhswoocer ngl i was preparing myself for it the whole time and it never came.....
@@zain3452 It wasn't in this one, but I can promise you it will be in the next one, and it'll be better than ever!
@@mhswoocer i subscribe because i like your lesson and you thinking process (' ')b
My approach is a mix of strategies 2 and 3.
I tend to obsess about these games on the internet until I get bored of them. I get into theories, watch content creators playing it, maybe get some merch, sometimes I even start NG+ though I never managed to finish it, except once when I didn't get the Royal Ending for Persona 5 Royal. Most of the time I'm over it within 1-2 weeks, it worked for Xenoblade 3 and Persona 5. In Zelda I'm still occupied finishing some sidequests and experiment with crazy Zonai builds. Since I can't be spoiled anymore I'm already almost done obsessing and I'll probably end it by watching all cutscenes and beating Ganondorf again.
Though having another game on the list also is a great thing to look forward to. I definitly want to play Elden Ring soon, since my Link was so overpowered and looked like an Elden Ring boss himself I really want to get my hands on something more challenging.
Pro tips for Elden Ring, as someone obsessed for the past year myself:
1. Don't ignore stagger. Jumping attacks and charged heavy attacks to a boss's back can do devastating stagger damage, but the game doesn't have a stagger bar or any way of showing it to you. So its poorly communicated but an important mechanic.
2. If you explore and find a seemingly useless item, there's a good chance the item wasn't the point. The devs put the item there because they wanted you to find something else. Either its a good vantage point where you can see the beginning of the level and contextualize the map in your head, or it leads to a hidden area, etc. The items in elden ring are ALWAYS!! placed with purpose. Additionally, there is a lore implication for the location of every item. Things aren't just randomly dispersed through the map - if you find a particular item somewhere, there's a lore reason it's there.
3. Faith is absolutely overpowered. No other stat comes close. The sheer versatility and power of incantations can obliterate most enemies and a lot of bosses. Strength is the 2nd best stat. I don't really recommend Arcane or Dex as they have some weird properties and scaling.
4. Tarnished Archaeologist is the best elden ring lore channel on CZcams. He's so far ahead of almost every other channel its crazy. Other creators are great but they don't have the historical/archaeological knowledge that TA does, so they can't use the environmental clues to their fullest. I highly recommend tarnished archaeologist, particularly if you have an interest in real-life history and archaeology.
5. Similar to Zelda TOTK, elemental damage makes a big difference in elden ring. Using lightning in water/rain does way more damage, and using fire in rain reduces its damage. This is part of why Faith is so powerful, it gives you access to all forms of elemental damage which can directly counter some enemies.
Number 6. Don’t start with a bandit build unless your trying to play the game at its hardest difficulty haha.
There is one game I have played that solves this, being AC6 cause there’s more content in the different endings
Yuh!
Not a game, but there was an anime called Legend of the Galactic Heroes. It's a 110 episode space opera from 1987-1995. Finished it in a month, and I swear, I stopped watching anime as regularly because I just knew OTHING was gonna top that.
I will watch it afther Gundam 0079, i know that this anime inspired Fire Emblem so i'm really looking foward to it, also the character desing is great.
Trails
Trails in the sky
I don't suppose you have any solutions from the game dev perspective, do you? (Not being snarky, I really want to know). I want to make a game as a passion project (lol, like we haven't heard that a million times before), so obviously the GOAL is to have a good game (I'll start small and get practice before the "main attempt"), although I realize that is a VERY big if. But, assuming that amazingly I make a great game, how can the developer minimize this problem? You can just add in content patches or DLC after the fact, but that takes more time and effort that you don't get paid for (unless you sell them, but most gamers don't like that, and not without good reason imho). I have a few ideas, but I'm looking for more as mine are all pretty resource-intensive.
The best solutions I can think of are 1) have some sort of sandbox system that encourages players to make their own content in-game, expand the "world" a bit. I don't like this solution as that content generally isn't story-rich, which is generally what allot of immersion relies on. Encouraging and enabling mod support could help too, but same problem. The ULTIMATE answer (that I could think of) would somehow to make a custom procedural/AI system for each game that generates new side content in addition to the main quest. There is another idea that I have, but I have no idea whether it's good: trying to bake the immersion into the mechanics themselves, somehow. I have no idea of an example, but if you could theoretically make the immersion of simply running or moving (without getting tired IRL or swinging into a nightstand due to VR's limitations), maybe, just MAYBE this would be better. Idk though.
This is long so here's the TLDR: Don't create a hard stop by resetting the world when the player beats the game. Instead, have the world change to a postgame state with new effectively endless content that allows the player to stop playing when they feel ready.
I think the solution is to give the player a choice to stop by adding in post game content. Lemme explain: Monster Hunter and Pokemon are both great at this. The game ends and everyone in the world acknowledges the fact that the big bad has been defeated and the world is saved etc, but just like the real world, there are still problems to solve. In Monster Hunter World for example, the acknowledge that the last boss is dead and the new world is saved, but then they present you with special variations of older monsters (along with a few new ones) that you can fight as much as you want. It's in this way that the game only ends when the player gets bored of it and wants to put it down, but it prevents that hard stop that more traditional endings like Persona, Zelda, or Dragon Quest have. The solution of procedural generation is a great idea too! Plenty of games have post game areas that are procedurally generated for effectively infinite content.
Wow, this video was incredible!!!
4:47 LMAO
Trying to finish xc3 rn after putting out down forever, there better not be spoilers
There are no spoilers as of writing this message, but I'd avoid the comments just to be safe. As for the video itself, I only used footage of the first hour of the game so you should be safe there
@@mhswoocer thank you, I'm literally right before the final boss just need to make my way through the rest of origin after fighting n and x
I don't get this from fighting games, since they never end
I still wish Journey would come to Switch. I've asked the devs multiple times. Sky just doesn't do it.
For me it was neir automata I felt so fucking empty after it was crazy love that game it hell and back
Why not restart the game?
Why don't you have 100k subs?! This is blasphemy!!!
Thank you so much, it really means a lot that you think so highly of my content! I'll just keep putting out the best videos I can and we'll get there one day!
nah, you just gotta play Everhood.
when you finish Celeste the solution is simple: start playing modded lol
No subsribe gag? That's my favourite part of the videos.
Sorry! I realized that I forgot to sneak in a sub button joke when I was about 80% done editing the video, I guess I was just too focused on subject matter lol
>great games
>Zelda
pick one
I love video gAmes but this video is an exageration like a huge one.