LugerMan Reproduction of the 1907 .45 Test Trials Luger

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  • čas přidán 7. 09. 2024
  • Eugene Golubtsov, aka LugerMan, is manufacturing reproduction .45ACP caliber Luger pistols, based on the original blueprints of the 1907 pattern US Army trials guns. When he offered to send me one to try out, how could I say no?
    I have had some rather unimpressive experiences trying to shoot similar reproductions made by other people, and my expectations for this one were pretty low. Well, I have no problem saying that I was entirely wrong. This pistol is magnificent - it ran great, shot dead on point of aim, and was everything I could have asked, right down to the correct 55.5 degree grip angle found only on the US trials Lugers.
    In addition to the trials pattern, Eugene is also making a wide variety of other patterns, include .45ACP "baby" Lugers, long barreled target models, stocked carbines, 10mm Auto versions, and more. They are not cheap, but in my opinion they are worth the cost if you can afford them.
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Komentáře • 1,1K

  • @theJellyjoker
    @theJellyjoker Před 6 lety +418

    "I think we've heard enough about this..."
    You thought wrong!

    • @Tunkkis
      @Tunkkis Před 3 lety +3

      Looks like even the patron saint of firearms can be mistaken.

    • @CigarAttache
      @CigarAttache Před 3 měsíci

      We need the directors cut of this video 😏👍🏼

  • @Pdro-gw7lu
    @Pdro-gw7lu Před 6 lety +1503

    Ian, just as others in the comments have said. Please do go on, we’d all love to hear what you cut yourself off from saying about manufacturing and reverse engineering. Time permitting please do make such a vid.
    Awesome Luger btw. Cheers

    • @josuelservin2409
      @josuelservin2409 Před 6 lety +27

      P3dro 2486, Totally agree on this point.

    • @alexandruianu8432
      @alexandruianu8432 Před 6 lety +21

      He's already pointed those things out in a number of videos on his channel (other Luger videos and the HMG StG streams).

    • @genericpersonx333
      @genericpersonx333 Před 6 lety +49

      Yeah, I have dealt with reverse-engineering projects before and to be honest, it is just too big a subject to have as a tangent within another video. He was right to cut it off there to save camera time for himself.
      For sure, it is worthy of a special video of its own. The MG3, for example, is a legitimate forgotten weapon because all the technical details for the manufacturing of the MG42 were lost between 1945 and 1965. To resurrect that gun required one of the most demanding reverse-engineering efforts of the 20th century and would make an excellent example of how complicated RE is.

    • @rageagainstthehygiene2357
      @rageagainstthehygiene2357 Před 6 lety +39

      If I just wanted to skip to the shooting I would watch any of the other 50 YTers who just take stuff to the range.
      I come to FW because it is in-depth information from a guy who really knows what he is talking about. Anyone can shoot them, but Ian can *explain* them.

    • @LovableCoolGuy
      @LovableCoolGuy Před 6 lety +5

      The topic was pretty thoroughly covered on the InRange videos interviewing HMG. Check out this one and others regarding the StG reproduction: watch?v=iQxwVY7ziKs

  • @Taistelukalkkuna
    @Taistelukalkkuna Před 6 lety +1279

    "And Lo, by the Third Magazine, Gun Jesus Sayeth "Dang" and Was Suitably Impressed."

  • @TheRogueWolf
    @TheRogueWolf Před 6 lety +923

    LugerMan! He came from the stars to use the power of the Luger to make Gun Jesus say "Dang"!

  • @Pitchlock8251
    @Pitchlock8251 Před 6 lety +279

    A Luger in 10mm. I think I can hear MAC furiously clicking "place order" icon over the internet.

    • @LugerMan45
      @LugerMan45 Před 6 lety +43

      Pitch Lock I did not hear anything....... want a 10mm ? Just let me know

    • @williamhorton9763
      @williamhorton9763 Před 5 lety +7

      .41 Action Express.

    • @raptorcell6633
      @raptorcell6633 Před 5 lety +34

      Fuck it, now i want a Luger in .50 AE

    • @justinreiley747
      @justinreiley747 Před 4 lety +17

      @@raptorcell6633 now I want a .22 long rifle Luger

    • @donovanchilton5817
      @donovanchilton5817 Před 4 lety +8

      You hear that? That sound like a fly rubbing it's wings together in the distance? That's Tim. Furiously masturbating.

  • @Chevypotamus
    @Chevypotamus Před 6 lety +372

    That's an impressive gun, still working flawlessly after 8,000 rounds.

    • @aker1993
      @aker1993 Před 6 lety +61

      its amazing that the gun is still purrfect and running even in the 8k+ rounds of shooting this is the height of gun reproduction to is extreme bravo lugerman

    • @Devin_Stromgren
      @Devin_Stromgren Před 6 lety +14

      You're assuming that it ran flawlessly out of the box. Some of those rounds might have gone into breaking it in.

    • @LugerMan45
      @LugerMan45 Před 6 lety +65

      Some rounds of 8000 plus, were during testing and perfecting function. But the point of testing was also reach a point of destruction of some parts, just to see what goes first. Well nothing has , at this point. Still waiting for that to happen.

    • @ausmax1972
      @ausmax1972 Před 6 lety +10

      If you have to ask how much, you can't really afford it...

    • @MatthewCochrane9622
      @MatthewCochrane9622 Před 6 lety +33

      @ Eugene Golubtsov
      Thank you so much for:
      #1 sending the gun to Ian, as I'm sure you're aware Ian does a great job giving us enthusiasts a way to explore and in a way experience things that are less than common. This is not a piece that we can see at the local gun shop, so having a video from a trusted POV like Forgotten Weapons that tears down the gun on camera and nicely covers subtle details can help us make informed decisions about future purchases.
      #2 for commenting directly in this thread. Raw interaction with the community speaks volumes, especially when you're dealing with odd limited production firearms. Having a response here certainly leaves me with some additional assurance that you'll assist with any issues should one arise with one of your firearms.

  • @NoosaHeads
    @NoosaHeads Před 4 lety +56

    As a Luger (artillery 8.5" barrel) owner, I can assure anyone that these are superb guns. The machining and finish is nothing short of superb. The accuracy, tested on a machine bench rest is as good as anything modem I've tried. I don't think I've ever had a single misfire (like my broomhandle Mauser). That, in itself, is amazing.

    • @ResidentWeevil2077
      @ResidentWeevil2077 Před rokem +7

      Just imagine if the .45 ACP Luger became the standard issue sidearm of the US Army instead of the 1911. Being that the barrel doesn't tilt vertically like in a Browning system, the Luger is highly accurate and maintains zero after every shot. Even if the toggle lock is a more expensive system to manufacture, I'll take a Luger over a 1911 any day.

    • @MrDRSMAX
      @MrDRSMAX Před rokem +3

      @@ResidentWeevil2077 The 1911 isn't exactly inaccurate.

  • @Phantom_Aspekt
    @Phantom_Aspekt Před 3 lety +14

    A 10mm Luger sounds like the perfect combination of style and performance

  • @daisyruin
    @daisyruin Před 6 lety +86

    You stopped when it was getting good, we do need to hear more of that. The effort and skills required to go from blueprint to tooling to production is literally everything. Much appreciation for Mr. Golubtsov's work, thank you both.

  • @andyrihn1
    @andyrihn1 Před 6 lety +116

    Now you just need a pedersen rifle to have the ultimate alternate history GI kit

    • @justinreiley747
      @justinreiley747 Před 4 lety +7

      Now this is a timeline I wanna live in

    • @josephmontanaro2350
      @josephmontanaro2350 Před 4 lety +27

      Is this the same timeline that later on we get the .30 carbine Tompson, the american FAL, G11 and the AN 94 as a general issue rifle?!?! Someone crack open a portal there I'm packing my bags :D

    • @KageMinowara
      @KageMinowara Před 4 lety +11

      @@josephmontanaro2350 Is this also the timeline where the 1900AD British Military adopt Hugh Gabbet Farifax's Mars Automatic Pistol and they are now widely available? Because if it is then I'm going with you.

    • @ineednochannelyoutube5384
      @ineednochannelyoutube5384 Před 4 lety +6

      Toggle locks for everyone!

    • @steampunksamp80
      @steampunksamp80 Před 4 lety +2

      KageMinowara Then we get a Rocket plane in the 40’s and a heli in the 40’s, IM COMING WITH YOU

  • @matthayward7889
    @matthayward7889 Před 6 lety +171

    3:15 “I think we’ve heard enough about this...”
    For possibly the first time, I disagree. I know you’ve touched on the difficulties of reverse engineering before, but I’d happily hear it all again
    Given the level of engineering that must have gone into this reproduction, six grand doesn’t actually seem that bad to me.
    I’m heading straight to Luger Mans website to check out the Carbines...

    • @con6lex
      @con6lex Před 6 lety +11

      Matt Hayward It would be cool to interview Lugerman. Why did he pick such a difficult and financially uncertain project? (Everyone says “I’d buy one” until it is time to place a real order.) How did he learn about manufacturing? How did he get the blueprints?

    • @matthayward7889
      @matthayward7889 Před 6 lety +7

      con6lex brilliant idea! I’d love to listen to Ian interviewing lugerman about the financial and engineering side of making these 👍

    • @dwightgruber8308
      @dwightgruber8308 Před 6 lety +11

      A few years ago Eugene asked a question on the Luger Forums, what pistol would the Luger collectors there like to see recreated? After much discussion the majority of respondents opined that they would prefer to see--and buy--a .45 cal. replica (10mm and .40 cal. also came up as being more modern alternatives). The "blueprints"--actually CNC programming specifications--came from gunsmith Mike Krause of San Mateo CA, who made detail measurements of the legendary original Sid Aberman .45 Luger in order to make his own limited--run edition of the .45 Luger (at almost three times the price of Eugene's). Eugene had to modify the CNC data somewhat in order to make it work.

    • @kylebrady969
      @kylebrady969 Před rokem

      @@dwightgruber8308 Am I correct saying this Mike Krause is the same as Krausewerke? Ian made a video on one of those .45 Lugers too

    • @dwightgruber8308
      @dwightgruber8308 Před rokem

      @@kylebrady969 Correct.

  • @nomanmcshmoo8640
    @nomanmcshmoo8640 Před 6 lety +27

    The crazy thing is how FACTORY 1907 they look.....the surface finish of the materials is amazing.

  • @tacticalmanatee
    @tacticalmanatee Před 6 lety +25

    The price actually isn't that bad compared to original Lugers in unusual or historically significant configurations. Around here $3000 is the going rate on a decent all-original WW2 Luger last I checked, and I've handled a few that were in the $4000-8000 range. LugerMan's price is very reasonable considering the work that has to go into making one of these things.

    • @neo-filthyfrank1347
      @neo-filthyfrank1347 Před rokem +3

      I mean from what I've seen you can find real lugers for under 2k, makes no sense to buy this one atm if you ask me

    • @aniquinstark4347
      @aniquinstark4347 Před rokem +6

      ​@@neo-filthyfrank1347 It's not a regular Luger so comparing it to one is pointless

    • @neo-filthyfrank1347
      @neo-filthyfrank1347 Před rokem +2

      @@aniquinstark4347 The comparison is extremely relevant, stop coping.

    • @neo-filthyfrank1347
      @neo-filthyfrank1347 Před 10 měsíci

      @@rdrrr this matters for some reason

    • @neo-filthyfrank1347
      @neo-filthyfrank1347 Před 10 měsíci

      @@rdrrr So long as it remains more expensive than the real lugers it's trying to make more accessible buying it will be pointless.

  • @ManWithNoName.
    @ManWithNoName. Před 5 lety +21

    Even though I can't buy this, I am happy it exists. Props to you Lugerman!

    • @janenorell971
      @janenorell971 Před 3 lety

      It doesn't exist!2+yrs waiting only lip service!

  • @amoose8439
    @amoose8439 Před 6 lety +133

    I demand a fireside talks regarding the cut content.

  • @GeneralLotz
    @GeneralLotz Před 6 lety +169

    Don't cut off the info midstream....

  • @michaelw.6957
    @michaelw.6957 Před 6 lety +28

    While $6,000 is out of my price range personally, it isn't a whole lot considering how much work (physically and from an engineering standpoint) was put in to them. A lot of folks don't bat an eye at that much for a Rolex Submariner or a 'decent' used car.

    • @DeltaOps3
      @DeltaOps3 Před 2 lety

      Its a lot

    • @happyjohn354
      @happyjohn354 Před 2 lety +2

      They make a 10mm version as well that I really want.

    • @taggartlawfirm
      @taggartlawfirm Před 2 lety +1

      Well I was gonna buy two, but I had daughters instead.

  • @nerdlydood
    @nerdlydood Před 6 lety +528

    Why would I be listening to Gun Jesus if I've ever gotten bored by him sperging about guns like that? Don't just cut yourself off, if people wanna ignore talking and go ahead to the shooting they can skip ahead all they want. Boo, I say, boo upon you, Mr. McCollum. You bring shame upon yourself and upon your goatee.

    • @RalphReagan
      @RalphReagan Před 6 lety +9

      Ryan Wagner exactly

    • @GundamReviver
      @GundamReviver Před 6 lety +6

      Seconded!

    • @Pdro-gw7lu
      @Pdro-gw7lu Před 6 lety +10

      Yup. Even a seperate video to keep the digression to its own thing, keeping discussion of the gun to its own vid for people who just want that

    • @Batmack
      @Batmack Před 6 lety +4

      Thirded

    • @Croak1
      @Croak1 Před 6 lety +14

      Fourthed! Had a case of gunnus interuptus when he cut the history short. Made worse because he was wearing a C&Rsenal shirt, which gave me even more of a history boner.

  • @ryker8338
    @ryker8338 Před 5 lety +6

    This gun, this Luger, looks so... I can't describe it as anything less than beautifully flawless.

  • @RichardGoth
    @RichardGoth Před 6 lety +12

    *+pauses on the Bergmann+* *+eyes glint+* *+BERGMANN INTENSIFIES+*

  • @Talatharas
    @Talatharas Před 6 lety +459

    I was actually kinda enjoying your talk about gun manufacturing. why did you cut yourself off? :(

    • @LugerMan45
      @LugerMan45 Před 6 lety +22

      Talatharas seconded

    • @CGoody5642
      @CGoody5642 Před 6 lety +19

      Although I found it extremely comedic, I was upset he didn't get back to it later.
      Oh well. At least I learned this is manufactured where I live. Never would have guessed.

    • @generalolivervonbismarck393
      @generalolivervonbismarck393 Před 3 lety

      @@LugerMan45 hey it’s the lugerman himself

  • @Traderjoe
    @Traderjoe Před 6 lety +12

    In my opinion, the Luger is the most beautiful gun in the world. For something that was designed over 130 years ago, it still seems ultra modern to me and as elegant as can be. I would give my left nit for one, but unfortunately, I am in New York, so it would be easier to get a F4 Phantom

    • @LugerMan45
      @LugerMan45 Před 6 lety

      traderjoes maybe a carbine registered as rifle ?

    • @codyjackalope8464
      @codyjackalope8464 Před 5 lety

      Personally if i had to take anything into combat itd be a 1911 in .50 AE assuming ammo isnt an issue

  • @desertdunebuggy
    @desertdunebuggy Před 6 lety +320

    Did you get serial number 4 for "4-gotten" weapons?

    • @LugerMan45
      @LugerMan45 Před 6 lety +30

      Lightning Von-Wiffle Вritches no he did not, number 4 has to meany tasks to accomplish and to meany rounds to be shoot thru it,

    • @scotttrenary6154
      @scotttrenary6154 Před 5 lety +13

      Lightning the person who manufactured the gun responded to you. His name is Eugene and it would be rude not to compliment the man after he replied to your comment

    • @scotttrenary6154
      @scotttrenary6154 Před 5 lety +8

      Also I met the man at wannenmachers gun show. Simply put he’s a genius

    • @Lowlandlord
      @Lowlandlord Před 4 lety +2

      You sir deserve a punch in the face.

    • @indenkellerag
      @indenkellerag Před 3 lety

      Omg

  • @TheRPGamer7
    @TheRPGamer7 Před 6 lety +39

    "I think we've heard enough about this.."
    No, we haven't, I think this is one thing I disagree with Ian on.
    I'd really like to hear the rest of his thoughts.

  • @webtoedman
    @webtoedman Před 6 lety +140

    It's more than difficult to replicate any machine that was made using old school gang milling, broaching and multiple fixture techniques. You really need to replicate the original tooling, much of which would have been made to make only one or two cuts on a component, and have no other application. That's before drawing up the jigs and fixtures, making them, and sourcing the forgings (To original or better spec'). If you want to make saleable quantities at a marketable price, you need as a minimum to build batches, but what do you do in between runs? The overheads don't stop, and the materials for the next batch have to be bought. It's not like drawing it up in your favourite CAD app and chomping it out of bar stock. And then it all has to be heat treated and given an authentic finish without running a'foul of current environmental reg's. That Lugerman has actually made these guns is a startling achievement.

    • @knutdergroe9757
      @knutdergroe9757 Před 6 lety +5

      webtoedman,
      Amen !
      If all the time was added up....
      6k, is most likely braking even...
      Or a little low.....
      What a amazing job, this man has done !

    • @ineednochannelyoutube5384
      @ineednochannelyoutube5384 Před 4 lety +4

      What prevents CNC machines from accurately machining one of these provided you do have measurments, and write the program?

    • @webtoedman
      @webtoedman Před 4 lety

      @Promotions Only I said it is difficult to duplicate products that were designed to be made on manual machinery using C NC, not that Luger man's products are made on manual machines.

    • @Logan-zp8bi
      @Logan-zp8bi Před 3 lety +2

      ​@@webtoedman not to mention bureaucracy, even if its for a simple pistol they'll treat it as you planning on taking over the world with it.

    • @lordsummerisle87
      @lordsummerisle87 Před 2 lety +7

      ​@@ineednochannelyoutube5384 Machine tools make parts by cutting away specific bits of metal from a raw piece of stock or forging or casting until all that's left is the component you want.
      CNC machine tools in 2022 essentially make many different cuts on a single workpiece one after the other, ideally from a single clamping setup. These cuts can be very complex and automatically move the cutting tool in up to 5 different axes at once.
      Manual machine tools like were available in 1922 are generally only able to make single, simple cuts at a time in a single axis. Setting up each cut is a skilled and time consuming process. With a single machine you pay a skilled machinist ($$$) to adjust the machine and workpiece for each cut, which is slow, labour-intensive, and expensive. This is how bespoke and prototyping jobs used to be done (and to an extent still are in manual shops).
      In a production environment a 1922 factory would have hundreds of machines, usually run by non-skilled ($) and semi-skilled ($$) operators. The skilled machinists ($$$) would set up each machine to make one or a few simple cuts, often using custom-built fixtures that presented the work to the tool in exactly the right way for that operation, or with custom cutting tools that cut complex shapes on the simple machines. These fixtures and cutting tools were made by toolmakers ($$$$). Let's say you're making pistol slides. Blank piece of steel goes into the first machine, which cuts a groove in the bottom. Piece goes to the next machine and a step is cut in the side of the groove. Maybe cut number 3 is to flatten the side of the slides so a dozen are ganged up in a fixture and flattened with a single huge flattening cutter. Machine 4 has a radiused cutter and cuts a radius on the top of the slide. And so on. This process of building fixtures and cutters and setting them up in a production line is called "tooling up" and was a slow and very expensive business.
      A huge advantage to changing to a different machine per cut is that each machine might work differently. Some manual machines make cuts that simply can't be replicated by a CNC machining centre, like a shaper or a broach. A particular weakness of CNC machine tools is making deep, narrow, non-round holes -- like a mag well. These were often done with broaches (complex custom-built cutters pushed fully through a hole in the workpiece, cutting away a tiny amount at a time) back in the day, or even by skilled hand filing. There's also little penalty to refixturing a piece many times on a manual production line so the parts were designed with this in mind. Not so much on a CNC setup, where the ideal is to minimise refixturing as far as possible, since this is where delays, increased labour costs and errors creep in.
      So basically this is why some designs don't lend themselves to CNC production, and why sometimes the only way to do it is either build a production line (with a huge setup cost) or manufacture in batches (where you'll have inventory tied up for years). Either way the overheads are huge and often there's just not enough demand for reproduction [insert rare historic gat] to make it worthwhile.

  • @dreamingflurry2729
    @dreamingflurry2729 Před 6 lety +9

    Wow, that thing truly looks authentic (without claiming to be...hell, the manufacturing-mark (that LMI in stylized script) is cool and really reminiscent of DWM). Great video Ian and great gun, KUDOS to the guy who makes those...the machining alone is stunning, then the finish etc...damned, I want one :) (sadly: Too expensive...I know that quality has it's price, don't get me wrong, but I certainly will not be buying one any time soon!)

    • @LugerMan45
      @LugerMan45 Před 6 lety

      DreamingFlurry does not have to be soon, just send us $250 a month for 2 years and you can have one at the end of 2019.

  • @spef7396
    @spef7396 Před 6 lety +81

    Tubular my man !

  • @axelstein01
    @axelstein01 Před 3 lety +2

    More than 30 years ago I shot a 9mm Luger and it was the nicest guns I have ever shot from an ergonomically point of view and I also found it very accurate.

  • @skrymerU
    @skrymerU Před 6 lety +44

    Wait nooooo. It was just stating to get really interesting. We definitely haven't heard enough about the problems of manufacturing replica guns.

    • @con6lex
      @con6lex Před 6 lety

      Skrymer U I know Ian has touched on this before. You need to know tolerances...which you can’t get by measuring one sample. I imagine materials science comes in: which type of steel to use, tempering, surface treatment, etc. plus you have to make jugs and tooling.

  • @londonjolly9174
    @londonjolly9174 Před 6 lety +60

    "10mm Luger" Holy hell

    • @LugerMan45
      @LugerMan45 Před 6 lety +16

      London Jolly not holly hell.... just 6600 dollars and you can have one.... holly hell is worth much more then that ... I am just guessing.

    • @someturkishguy8638
      @someturkishguy8638 Před 4 lety +2

      Fallout should've had this

  • @sb-ant6457
    @sb-ant6457 Před 6 lety +3

    And so it was, Lugerman received the sign of the crosshair and the blessing of gun Jesus, and the multitude did rejoice.

  • @HadToChangeMyName_YoutubeSucks

    Was ready to order one, then that number 6,000 came up and dissuaded me. If I somehow won the lottery I'd have one, but since I don't play the lottery the odds are against me.

    • @bigretardhalo
      @bigretardhalo Před 6 lety +1

      Thomas Mobley - The odds can't be that much worse than if you did play the lottery

  • @stevenboelke6661
    @stevenboelke6661 Před 6 lety +10

    No, I don't think we heard enough of that. If you could post the rest of that segment that would be cool.

  • @willkenny5687
    @willkenny5687 Před 6 lety +22

    Kinda disappointed by that tangent getting cut off. Yeah, I want to see the gun shoot, but I also came here to hear you talk about it.

  • @drmaudio
    @drmaudio Před 6 lety +4

    This is certainly not in my budget, but I love that such a faithful reproduction is being done. Living history.

  • @emilhajbert5326
    @emilhajbert5326 Před 6 lety +28

    Woah Ian that intro is going to trigger a lot of people!

    • @ForgottenWeapons
      @ForgottenWeapons  Před 6 lety +30

      The revolvers were just control guns to evaluate how the semiautos did. :)

    • @estebancinardi45
      @estebancinardi45 Před 6 lety +7

      How can this comment be two weeks old of this video came out like 15 minutes ago?

    • @markchatman9583
      @markchatman9583 Před 6 lety +6

      Esteban Cinardi patreons get to watch first

    • @emilhajbert5326
      @emilhajbert5326 Před 6 lety +5

      Time Travel

  • @gabenplznerf1093
    @gabenplznerf1093 Před 6 lety +27

    This is a dangerous precedent...
    ...That custom reproductions might be of functioning quality.

  • @ron827
    @ron827 Před 6 lety +2

    You have mastered great trigger control as I did not see the muzzle bobble at all when you pulled (pressed) the trigger on an empty chamber. You have the potential to become a competition Bullseye shooter. Another great review as usual.

  • @bortflong5734
    @bortflong5734 Před 6 lety +74

    How come that was the pattern of every squirt gun I grew up with? '79-'86

    • @sportsterlad
      @sportsterlad Před 5 lety +14

      1958: Our 8th grade gang all had them. 'Dang', they were accurate! From the back seat of the school bus to the back of the bus driver's head! And cheap enough to afford a replacement after The Confiscations.

    • @rogerwhite5061
      @rogerwhite5061 Před 4 lety +1

      Admittedly they were prolific but I remember seeing a lot of C-96's as a kid too, though they had an unuseable tiny shoulder stock . I always remember the water from them had this weird taste

    • @thishonestgrifter
      @thishonestgrifter Před 4 lety

      roger white That taste was was suspicious Chinese chemicals. Mhm mhm my favorite!

    • @Name-ps9fx
      @Name-ps9fx Před 3 lety

      I used to have a suction cup dart gun as a full size Luger...my fav!

  • @lunkydog
    @lunkydog Před rokem +1

    When I was a kid in the late 60s, early 70s, Guns and Ammo did a monthly Luger feature and I remember when they covered the trials gun. It lost to the 1911 but all of it's stoppages only required the toggle to be slapped down, implying that the 1911 ones were less but more involved IIRC.

  • @richardtibbetts5020
    @richardtibbetts5020 Před 6 lety +138

    What a beauty! Is there a broomhandle Mauser in .45 ACP also? I've heard there is..

    • @ForgottenWeapons
      @ForgottenWeapons  Před 6 lety +51

      czcams.com/video/2DDc0hXk0ws/video.html

    • @richardtibbetts5020
      @richardtibbetts5020 Před 6 lety +1

      Nasaq Licos No chance of return?

    • @Insanabiliter_In_Linea
      @Insanabiliter_In_Linea Před 6 lety +1

      keith moore I don't think they ever made any select fire models, they're all semi-automatic. They were made by the Shansei arsenal and are some of the most well made Chinese C96's out there. There were also some reproductions made in the 70's and 80's also in china that were passed off as originals.

    • @Insanabiliter_In_Linea
      @Insanabiliter_In_Linea Před 6 lety

      keith moore I know you didn't say they were less well made lol, I was just mentioning that they're well made for the hell of it since Chinese C96's have an awful reputation. Also I've just never heard of a select fire .45 C96, just the 9mm and 7.63x25 full auto variants and of course the semi-auto only Shansei .45acp C96 (Type 17 I believe but I can't remember atm). I'd like to know more if they exist, though. I didn't mean to sound argumentative lol

    • @jasevalentine4997
      @jasevalentine4997 Před 6 lety +1

      Yes, the Chinese warlords so loved it that one who possessed armory capability made a fair number of them in .45ACP. The characters on the pistol translated as "Chinese Box Pistol". At least a thousand of these were imported into the US 30 years ago, all with shitty foul bore erosion, so most will found bored out & relined with rifled liners

  • @HillbillyHades
    @HillbillyHades Před 6 lety +1

    3:14 You don't have do that to yourself. We like hearing you ramble on about guns as much as we love to ramble on about guns ourselves. Don't slow your roll Gun Jesus, we love you.

  • @MichaelBerthelsen
    @MichaelBerthelsen Před 6 lety +50

    I would have liked to hear more, to be honest...😅😅

  • @dixinormous8539
    @dixinormous8539 Před 6 lety

    i do think your credibility speaks for itself Ian when a manufacturer commits a very rare and exquisite firearm to a full (and proper) review, kudos to you

  • @toledo152
    @toledo152 Před 6 lety +3

    For the time and money that had to been invested to bring this to market, I know it sounds crazy but the price seems reasonable.

  • @janenorell971
    @janenorell971 Před 3 lety

    Lugerman finally delivered! Beautiful,took 23 weeks.

  • @graymatrrocks
    @graymatrrocks Před 6 lety +6

    People buy 1911's that cost more than this. This is much more worthwhile as a purchase!

    • @davidmcguire6043
      @davidmcguire6043 Před 5 lety +1

      Retarded people buy 1911s that cost more. There's a point where you're paying extra just for a name paying an extra $4,500 for something doesn't add $4,500 worth of quality.

    • @paullytle1904
      @paullytle1904 Před 4 lety +1

      @@davidmcguire6043 you get 90 percent of the functionality of a glock out of a hi point

    • @jackdundon2261
      @jackdundon2261 Před 3 lety

      @@paullytle1904 I have read the hi point is ALSO VERY RELIABLE. Just ugly as sin! (Kinda like a glock).
      My cousin recently passed away, and his .40 hi power NEVER misfires or ftf. I have no clue why he bought it, usually he bought decent guns like Rugers.

  • @crabmansteve6844
    @crabmansteve6844 Před 2 lety

    Bravo, LugerMan.
    That gun is absolutely beautiful.
    I'm American born, but my family is from Germany and a Luger in .45 really does it for me. Beautiful German engineering with the most American pistol cartridge ever.

  • @raspucin70
    @raspucin70 Před 6 lety +7

    "Hans...fetch me ze tuning fork"

  • @NutjobGTO
    @NutjobGTO Před 6 lety +1

    That ringing sound is the most beautiful sound in the world

  • @wiseoldwizard
    @wiseoldwizard Před 4 lety +4

    "I think we've heard enough of this..." Who wanted to hear more?

  • @chriscarter5720
    @chriscarter5720 Před 4 měsíci +1

    Though I could never afford to buy one I don't consider the prices quoted for this pistol to be unrealistic. It is, after all, effectively a hand built special and based on your trial it is obviously a well built and easy to use weapon. Since I could easily pay up to $2000 for a 'run of the mill' WW2 Luger here in Europe (though most run somewhat less than that) 5K+ for one of these seems like a bargain. Now all I need is to convince my better half that a used .45 Luger is a better buy than a new kitchen. Wish me luck!

  • @inund8
    @inund8 Před 6 lety +20

    But I wanted to hear more!

  • @absoluteinfinity1197
    @absoluteinfinity1197 Před 6 lety

    Ian we are mechanical engineers as well, don't stop about the manufacturing story we actually love to hear it!

  • @benec5816
    @benec5816 Před 6 lety +6

    Wow what a working machine thanks for showing

  • @smartacus88
    @smartacus88 Před 6 lety

    Damn. The dude making these is an artisan. A master craftsman. As a student of German weaponry i can say, in my simi-educated opinion, this thing is absolutely stunning. I am shocked that anyone with the industrial resources at hand would go through the trouble of recreating these. It's a true talisman.

  • @bengrosser8722
    @bengrosser8722 Před 6 lety +6

    There is still one of the us trials guns around a private colector has is and he paid 850,000 dollars for it

    • @LugerMan45
      @LugerMan45 Před 6 lety +13

      And that is the one we used as a model for reproduction.

  • @billsmith5166
    @billsmith5166 Před 5 lety +1

    Wow, great job Lugerman!

  • @redfang2507
    @redfang2507 Před 6 lety +72

    Jesus Christ... a $6k gun?!?
    *Mud Test It*

  • @twidget1111
    @twidget1111 Před 4 lety +2

    I would like to mention that I heard from my dad. “Our Government wanted to test trial two Luger pistols against the famed .45 Caliber M1911 and both were stolen. And if they weren’t returned in a specified time there will be jail time.” Year 1940s
    Before Pearl Harbor. After Pearl the contract was cancelled.
    As the story goes one was returned the other one was not. I never heard the rest of the story but it still leaves the question
    If that missing gun is found in the inappropriate hands. Could someone be held responsible for holding a stolen piece of Government property.? I also heard that thing could cost you big time! No joke. I would like to know for myself. I dislike being in the dark about such things as this old mystery.

  • @nathandarcy1855
    @nathandarcy1855 Před 6 lety +11

    it's a Luger for real men !

  • @henrydecker8989
    @henrydecker8989 Před 6 lety +2

    I don't believe I ever be able to afford it at least not for a long long while. I want one

  • @chrischiampo8106
    @chrischiampo8106 Před 6 lety +4

    Lugerman is Da Man 😮😮😮😊 Amazing Work Lugerman 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼

  • @williamc.1198
    @williamc.1198 Před 4 lety

    Lugerman (Eugene Golobtsov),reworked my wife's broken 1916 9mm Broomhandle Mauser (unmatched shooter). Took the better part of a year for him to get it done; but his work was superb and the gun looks and functions like a brand-new pistol!
    Wife is a very happy camper!

  • @Cowinspace
    @Cowinspace Před 6 lety +3

    @3:14; "I think we've heard enough about this..."
    I hope I'm not alone in disagreeing with this statement. I would love to hear more about the process involved in producing an accurate copy of a gun like this.

  • @goomba008
    @goomba008 Před rokem +1

    You really ignited my enthusiasm about this gun and I was about to run out and get one till you mentioned the price >_

  • @marcppparis
    @marcppparis Před 6 lety +4

    Would be pretty badass to CCW a .45 Luger

    • @LugerMan45
      @LugerMan45 Před 6 lety +2

      thedudepdx anyone willing to enter competition with one will get 5% off On there order

  • @ariyapol1111
    @ariyapol1111 Před 5 lety

    WoW the sound when the toggle is release is so satisfying!

  • @hoosierjonny336
    @hoosierjonny336 Před 6 lety +4

    *cries* Why must all the amazing guns cost so much? LugerMan if I win the lottery I will be placing an order for a few lol!

    • @LugerMan45
      @LugerMan45 Před 6 lety +1

      Hoosier Jonny oh lottery.... so 7-8 dollars a day for lottery ... 20 month and you can have one ... send your lottery money to us, then you getting a gun for sure

    • @hoosierjonny336
      @hoosierjonny336 Před 6 lety

      Excellent gun and I wish you and your business a great deal of success and I look forward to one day owning one of those beautiful pieces!

  • @karlwagner932
    @karlwagner932 Před 4 lety

    YOU TWO ARE AMAZING !! WHERE ELSE WE COULD FIND SUCH INTERSTING AND SOLID REPORTS ! THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME !! BE BLESSED !!

  • @Hepabytes
    @Hepabytes Před 6 lety +4

    I was kind if interested in what you were saying before you cut it off.

  • @srspower
    @srspower Před 6 lety +1

    it's bizarre how back in the day shooting one handed was universal yet at the same time shoulder stocks for pistols were popular too. Did nobody consider they could use their other hand?!

    • @Luv_April
      @Luv_April Před 5 lety

      Idk, the broom handle might have been a little tough even with two hands

    • @luisgimenez8660
      @luisgimenez8660 Před 5 lety

      Usually the other hand was quite busy dor the intended users in early 1900. Cavalry with reins, oficials with swords and so.

  • @kutamsterdam
    @kutamsterdam Před 6 lety +16

    Finish your story Ian don't cut yourself short man!.

  • @shaggnar2014
    @shaggnar2014 Před 6 lety

    I love how clearly enamored he is with this gun, it's so genuine. I mean how can you not love a .45 luger?

    • @janenorell971
      @janenorell971 Před 3 lety

      By ordering one 2+yrs ago and haven't seen it yet!

  • @karm65
    @karm65 Před 6 lety +9

    you're just getting really interesting around 3:16 and you cut it off. is that posted anyware?

  • @duantorruellas716
    @duantorruellas716 Před 5 lety

    A reproduction done right .
    Made after the classic , and accurate as hell with one hand. The perfect stocking stuffer.

  • @JohnDoe-uc5iu
    @JohnDoe-uc5iu Před 6 lety +11

    i bet he could sell just as many fosberrys if he reproduced those as well

    • @loddude5706
      @loddude5706 Před 6 lety +1

      Dear Mr. Tarantino, 'Edward Fosberryhands & The Ballistol Kid' or 'Webley Gump'? Discuss : )

    • @JohnDoe-uc5iu
      @JohnDoe-uc5iu Před 6 lety +1

      lets be real here, id use my next semesters tuition to buy one

    • @tarmaque
      @tarmaque Před 6 lety

      The Webley-Fosbery is a bit of a kludge. It works, but it's also not great. If you really want an autorevolver I recommend you find a Mateba Unica 6. It's a considerably better design than the Webley-Fosbery. (And they're making them again!)
      A friend of mine has one in .357 Magnum. He shoots it in competition and it works really well. (The bastards won't let him shoot against the other revolvers though. He has to shoot against the automatics, but they handicap him because it only holds 6 rounds.)

    • @JohnDoe-uc5iu
      @JohnDoe-uc5iu Před 6 lety

      im not really a fan of autorevolvers(or revolvers in general) although the mateba is pretty neat. i like the fosberry mostly for that 2nd cool historical factor. didnt know theyre making matebas again though- thats pretty neat. i wonder if more will get imported this time around?

    • @webtoedman
      @webtoedman Před 6 lety

      (Gabbet Fairfax) Mars attacks?

  • @davyrando1203
    @davyrando1203 Před 5 lety

    Lugerman also sells 4.25 inch barrels to make these guns Canada-legal. Holy crap! This Lugerman dude is pretty awesome.

  • @davidcox2264
    @davidcox2264 Před 6 lety +5

    I think I hear Ian checking his piggy bank to see if it has 6 grand in it. :)

    • @tarmaque
      @tarmaque Před 6 lety +2

      Hear it? I can _smell_ it!

  • @mikehagan4320
    @mikehagan4320 Před 4 lety

    Good video. I'm glad to see the Lugar Man giving the Luger the attention it deserves. It's good to know he is out there putting in the work to keep this wonderful platform alive.

  • @papacap979
    @papacap979 Před 6 lety +12

    well it doesn't use Glock magazines. ... I'll have to pass this one by.

    • @LugerMan45
      @LugerMan45 Před 6 lety +8

      Papa Cap well if you got the money ... we will make glock mags work for you. No problem there... let's see some cash.... No .... more cash

    • @RalphReagan
      @RalphReagan Před 5 lety +1

      Lol

  • @jeffreystroman2811
    @jeffreystroman2811 Před 5 lety

    From personal experience, I was comfortable with both 1911a2 and 92fs for personal protection. A situation arose where I was loaned a swiss frame Luger, 1976 import I believe in 9mm. Without an exposed hammer I never thought I could become comfortable with this Luger as a 24/7 life saving device. I was proven wrong in the most glorious way and literally the only complaint I ended up with was the shape of the Luger made it impossible to shove into my belt, (it always jabbed my groin) so a holster was used. I'm not sure how many Lugers had the grip safety mine did but I was absolutely impressed with it, and still alive to boot.

  • @tropicalfruit4571
    @tropicalfruit4571 Před 6 lety +7

    Ian, I was wondering, is it annoying that every time you shoot something obstructs your vision or is the process so fast that there's nothing to complain about?

    • @828enigma6
      @828enigma6 Před 4 lety +1

      I've shot the 9mm Luger. It cycles so fast you don't notice it.

    • @janenorell971
      @janenorell971 Před 3 lety

      I'll complain 2yr +and waiting!!

  • @johnnythundertherevenger945

    In a Alt-Timeline, the Luger was used in both world wars by both sides, one side as .45 acp and the another side as a 9mm

  • @hawks1ish
    @hawks1ish Před 6 lety +3

    If you got scope rings mounted you could go bear hunting with your steam punk 10mm Luger lol haha

    • @LugerMan45
      @LugerMan45 Před 6 lety +3

      Joshua Lansell-Kenny I will put any sight system on it and a heavy long barrel, if you send me some bear meat when you get one

  • @juliannaaka-babayega8941
    @juliannaaka-babayega8941 Před 6 lety +1

    This was an awesome video! Thank you for such great content, professionalism and, perspicacity. My Dad, who grew up in Italy during WWII had these as toys...right? He loved this video! Thanks much!

  • @DelaV3
    @DelaV3 Před 6 lety +9

    SIX THOUSAND DOLLARS

    • @aker1993
      @aker1993 Před 6 lety +8

      yeah because the original is a fvcking million dollar gun

    • @flamma6096
      @flamma6096 Před 6 lety +1

      Joeben Pajes Engalan well, like he said in the video, that specific trail gun doesn't exist anymore

    • @Kevin-mx1vi
      @Kevin-mx1vi Před 6 lety +4

      Yeah, six thousand dollars, but how much would you pay to see the expression on your friends faces when you show them that gun ?
      How much would you pay to have those friends worship you like a god ? 😉

    • @graymatrrocks
      @graymatrrocks Před 6 lety +1

      People spend way more than that on 1911's.

    • @LugerMan45
      @LugerMan45 Před 6 lety +1

      Eric da' MAJ where is the money.... wallet or not. Cash will be nice

  • @T3hderk87
    @T3hderk87 Před 6 lety

    I got so excited when you started on your rant!! We always want more info and backstory! Thank you.

  • @quiteindeed6809
    @quiteindeed6809 Před 6 lety +4

    But can we get a replica puckle gun?

    • @offdeadeye88
      @offdeadeye88 Před 4 lety

      The pickle he featured was technically partially reproduction

  • @jonminer9891
    @jonminer9891 Před 4 lety +1

    Hi, Ian. I think this is a very interesting pistol. I prefer the looks to the modern black plastic format. Of course, I could never afford such an expensive pistol. Thanks for sharing! Stay healthy!

  • @brucebaxter6923
    @brucebaxter6923 Před 6 lety +18

    Dude, I come here to listen to you talk about history and design.
    I don't want another pew pew pew channel.

  • @helvehammer7846
    @helvehammer7846 Před 6 lety

    My heart swells when I realize there are other craftsman who work until something runs *right* in every way.

  • @PabloLomez
    @PabloLomez Před 6 lety +4

    How does Karl feel about the fact that you shot that Luger and I assume he hasn't?

  • @milocabral7428
    @milocabral7428 Před 3 lety +1

    I saw this gun at their store near me, amazing staff and a fantastic firearm.

  • @charlescox290
    @charlescox290 Před 6 lety +9

    I'm glad you are calling out more about verifying the weapon is cleared. I would hate to see the parents of a tide pod eater sue you because their child was injured/killed trying to imitate your videos and didn't know that it was a good idea to check.

    • @luzianwasescha6056
      @luzianwasescha6056 Před 6 lety +3

      Charles Cox bullshit

    • @stefanb5189
      @stefanb5189 Před 6 lety +2

      Charles Cox too me this sounds like a grown man saying i wiped my ass everytime after shitting. We aren't dummies here, we know that a guy sweeping himself with a gun in front of a camera for a living checks.

  • @peaceraybob
    @peaceraybob Před 4 lety

    Wow, that was massively impressive! All through the six mags, I was waiting for the catastrophic malfunctions that would stop shooting for the day. When that never happened, and has apparently had EIGHT THOUSAND rounds through it... just, wow.

  • @doctorzoidberg1715
    @doctorzoidberg1715 Před 6 lety +18

    Where can we get a reproduction Mauser c96

    • @ForgottenWeapons
      @ForgottenWeapons  Před 6 lety +18

      Nobody makes them because there are plenty of originals still around.

    • @Falconguygaming
      @Falconguygaming Před 6 lety

      Forgotten Weapons #bringbackthec96

    • @USSEnterpriseA1701
      @USSEnterpriseA1701 Před 6 lety +2

      But what about the ones from that Chinese warlord that had them made in .45? I think that would make quite the partner for this .45 Luger repro. I wish I could spare the cash, I've been a fan of the .45 Luger since before I was really into guns in general.

    • @turbografx16
      @turbografx16 Před 6 lety +1

      I read there is a company in Ukraine making copies of the carbine now.

    • @LugerMan45
      @LugerMan45 Před 6 lety +4

      Well, we restore a number of c96 broomhandles, barrel liners, new grip frames, welding and all that is needed to restore the gun to like new factory. You want one let me know. Lugerman.com

  • @mutantfmj
    @mutantfmj Před 5 lety

    Ian, The 2 original.45 cal Lugers are at Aberdeen proving grounds armory. Saw them along with many other weapons back in 1995 as Marine going thru foreign weapons school.

  • @killerpeaches7
    @killerpeaches7 Před 6 lety +4

    Odd while living in Mexico, all the videos on the up next/related videos are related to.. *gasp* this video. I Come back to the USA for a bit.. and all of the "related?up next" are totally unrelated crap. Pretty pathetic.

    • @Calvin_OBlenis
      @Calvin_OBlenis Před 6 lety +1

      killerpeaches7 I have a single Forgotten Weapons video in the suggested feed. Of the other videos, one is in Tamil, one French, and one Chinese.
      The other videos are about Fortnite, testing a mini Apollo capsule, lockpicking, US debt, teachers being armed with baseball bats, northern lights, ice cream, a large family cleaning their house, and computer modifications. The computer video only has 6 views!

    • @killerpeaches7
      @killerpeaches7 Před 6 lety +1

      Exactly. Back down in Mexico, the suggested feed had.. more forgotten weapons, In Range, and other videos on the featured firearms. So apparently CZcamss "Gun Grabber Algorithm" (patent pending!) is IP location dependent? Interesting. Wonder what the various European or Asian or Oceanic viewers see?

    • @diamondflaw
      @diamondflaw Před 6 lety

      To be fair, if it's the TFM video for the mini Apollo capsule, that's a decent video.

  • @christaylor3879
    @christaylor3879 Před 2 lety

    Dude... It's a .45 that's very cool. That is a legendary pistol.