What if Prussia lost the Seven Years' War (But Britain Won)?
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Prussia had a 1/100,000,000 of coming back from that, and they did because of Peter the Third
they rolled a 20, its joever austriabros
it's two 20's, you need to be very lucky for that
Yup
Writers need to be more creative since that was pretty obvious plot armor smh 🙄
@@pendantairplane is scp metaphysics is legit reason of plot armour? because i want to give plot armour just because im author of this all scenario, and I'm more real than dudes in that lower - real reality, so i can just do whatever i want
what if my classmate decides to become a mafia boss and then a president
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My history teacher once suggested I'd become Dictator of the World because of the way I laughed like one time back then......
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@@tolotos95 you should follow your teacher suggestion
Nothing.
Presidents don't make anything the present...
Never pin your hopes on Austria unless you're placing bets on the Winter Olympics
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Like this is literally the most easy timeline to be realistic, as it literally hinges on the empress of Russia dying just a little later
Well realistic until you realize no Prussia means why would Austria want to partition the buffer state between them and Russia, instead of supporting Poland re-exerting its independence. Plus supporting Poland would mean they could then have them expand to the Black Sea to cut off Russian expansion into the Balkans.
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@@anvos658They would have no conditions to fight against Russia. Remember, no power was willing to escalate into a massive war after the Seven Years War.
@@anvos658 Poland was already effectively a puppet state of Russia. A partition is more favorable to a post-war Austria than a second, massive war with Russia. (That may, or may not, be supported by Polish nobility)
@@Spoon80085 If you look at it the antireform nobles were in the minority (and honestly could have been declared traitors if Poland managed to maintain its independence) and it still took Russia declaring war on Poland, and effectively holding a sham Sejm to make the Second Partition happen and invalidate the efforts of the Great Sejm to save the Commonwealth.
Austria doesn't have to so much declare war on Russia as just be present so numbers are no long on the side of the Russians. Austrian influence also likely makes the reforms passed by The Great Sejm more palatable to the aristocracy that IRL sided with Russia.
If prussia loses its possible frederick dies in the struggle, aftermath, or commits suicide (considering he was going to multiple times earlier), so its hard to imagine prussia doing much to ally with russia after.
Chileans around the world cried out in pain as this was uploaded
I do not understand. Why?
@@emperorpalpatine2721While I’m not qualified to fully say, Modern Chile is about more Prussia than modern day Germany. If you look at they’re marching uniforms their very based on Prussian Tradition.
Most likely because Chile is called the Prussia of South america?@@emperorpalpatine2721
Real, when i saw the title and thumbnail i cried very hard
The bad timeline
The first part is correct, but the next part is not. After defeating Prussia and granting East Prussia to Poland in exchange for lands in the east, Poland would be a buffer state between Austria and Russia, which would satisfy not only both powers, but also the Polish nobility. Prussia, not Russia pressed on partition. Austria was reluctant.
I have to agree here as it makes more sense for Austria to back Poland being free from Russian influence and then slightly expand it to the Black Sea, so the east would have a 3 power balancing act, where Poland denotes the split between the Russian and Austrian sphere, existing as a nation to ensure its in none of the 3s interest to go to war with each other, and instead focus their efforts on carving up the Ottomans, with plans to make a New Byzantium (Greece and Anatolia) an international protectorate of the 3.
If Austria broke it's promise of giving Belgium to france, I don't see France helping the Austrian against Russia, instead, France helping Russia is more probable
So the British would probably help Austria and a diplomatic revolution would happen again, Great Britain knew about the Russian potential, even more so for France to help, it would be enormously foolish if you didn't help them
France was afraid of Russia
Austria actually opposed the Partition of Poland because they didn't like the idea of a Catholic nation being divided between a Protestant and Orthodox power, and they only took part in it because they didn't want Prussia and Russia to take all of the Commonwealth. So in a scenario where Prussia isn't a factor I can't see them standing for Russia annexing the bulk of the Commonwealth directly even if they got some land in compensation, and it's possible they'd even go to war to prevent it if they were just up against Russia. So a weakened but independent Polish state would most likely exist in some form.
Out of all the timelines you ever created, this one ranks probably the highest when it comes to me not wanting to live in that scenario. Imagine the chaos after the Austrian collapse, which can only benefit the British, Russian and French. Truly a horror to behold
As a Brit I see this as a 1/3rd of a win
Why would it be horror?
Germany was Europe’s battlefield ever since the 30 years war. That would endure that continues for centuries
Why does rank higher than the timeline where Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan are massive and keep up their genocides?
What if Prussia lost the Seven Years’ War (But Norway Won)?
(Please do a what if everything went perfect for Norway scenario)
What about Harold Hardrata (King of Norway) takes England?
what if everything went wrong for norway instead? (still occupied by denmark or sweden)
Everything has gone perfect for Norway, more than any other European, right now in 2024
What If the Chinese Civil War ended in a stalemate with China 🇨🇳 being divided like Korea
That would be an insane Cold War proxy battleground. Might bankrupt the USSR faster.
I dont think thats possible
RAAHHH, Qinling-Dabie-Huai DMZ
Would be fun to watch UN Peacekeeper forces stationed in these lengthy demilitarized frontlines
Comically long demilitarized zone
That's already the case. Taiwan is literally "the other China", yet so many people are dümb not to realize that.
What if drake won the beef with kendrick
Too unrealistic
France:DAMN YOU HUNGARY!!!
Russia:did I hear something about Hungary?
Poland would definitely not be partitioned. Austria would give away Belgium in exchange for Bavaria. Prussia would attempt a revival in the Napoleonic Era. Treaty of Vienna would be completely different if there ever was one.
Video idea: What if the Hussites (the radical ones/Taborites) won the hussite war?
That big Germany at the end looked super OP... Wouldn't be surprised the world would be either dominated by it or it would be torn to shreds
I imagine in an alternate universe youtubers are making alt hist videos about what if Prussia won the 7 years war, which seems so unbelievably unlikely and far fetched in that universe.
Prussia would've been such an insignificant actor since that the video would be called "What if Britain had won the Seven Years' War?" and Prussia would be an after thought.
Not really. They would still be more powerful then Bavaria and there is a ton of „what if Bavaria united Germany“
@@karlfranzemperorofmandefil5547 More powerful than Bavaria before the Austrian inheritance? Nope.
@@Samuil-iq6eb then bavaria IRL-
@@karlfranzemperorofmandefil5547 Bavaria irl was more powerful lmao.
Thank you for this videos! Good work!
Great video! Here’s another video idea: What if the Dutch won the Second Anglo-Dutch war?
Great video! I'd be really interested to see a what if Alexander the second didn't get assasnated and continued reforming Russia.
Now do “What if Britain lost the Seven Years’ Wa (But Prussia Won)?”
Before the war started, the scenario in this video was the most likely conclusion, by far. The scenario you describe is a Billion to 1 chance - Peter the Great was literally in an act of desperation by even fighting this war, but the Brits must have been ecstatic when he agreed to be bankrolled by them - leading to the distraction of the French and Russian armies that they needed
What if the Ottoman empire collapse in the Oriental Crisis?
When does the alternate Austria-Hungary breakup viewer video come out?
Hey, Possible History, I just want to say that your channel is pretty cool and I enjoy all of your videos.
YES! Been waiting for this since you said it! Long live Austria
At last somebody took time to view into one of the Europes' biggest historical cross road. Death of Elizabeth and Peter III actions changed Eastern Europe in big time and had very long lasting effects.
It didn't change Eastern Europe at all.
why isn't prussia renamed to brandenburg
So I have an interesting idea for a video, what if the USSR was a multi-party state? Not a western-style democracy, but a government with multiple types of communist parties, like how the US has multiple types of Capitalist parties
Austria getting Coal deposites of Silesia AND Prussia losing Coal deposites of the Ruhr as well pretty much solves the Iron balance of the Bismarcks Blood and Iron.
Meanwhile balance of Power in the continent is pretty much British plus Austria versus French and Russia.
Or maybe EVERYONE against Russia, much like in the Crimea War, creating a very early NATO-like idea :P
Anyway this all crumbles to pieces like in our timeline when centrifugal nationalism eventually blows up both Russia and Austria somewhere after 1900.
In the end, Austria had a 3rd option: as they weren't averse to creating other kingdoms lead by Habsburgs, Achiduke John of Austria could have been crowned Emperor of Germany, while the line of Leopold II kept ruling Austria.
That could have been the result of a compromise after a great power war over the issue which Austria would have won. There's no shot it would do it willingly.
Also, Austria never created a kingdom for Habsburgs to rule.
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That’s already happened as a video. What if everything went perfect for the German empire.
Why do you keep calling them prussia. They arent prussia without east prussia. Instead they are the electorate of brandenburg or margravate of brandenburg.
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What do you mean?
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What if the Mali empire had discovered america first and started colonisation long before the europeans started to get interested ?
What if polynesians became a commercial link between Asia and South America ?
What if King Philip's war stunted New England colonisation ?
What if Louis the XIVth could fly? I loved that concept of super powered historical characters. Or what if a historical character was reincarnated after their death in their younger self ? They learn from their mistake but they don't necessarily have our perspective.
Italian and German unifications were not necessarily inevitable, especially if an alliance between Austria and France prevented it, or usurped the nationalistic momentum to serve the interests and powers of both France and Austria.
What if the western Roman Empire survived in Italy?
Perhaps this could happen if Rome doesn’t get sacked twice, with more stable leadership. Perhaps the huns never rise, as Attila dies young, and the germanic migrations don’t need to happen that fast.
Perhaps Caesar returns from the dead and takes over europe and colonises Australia, who knows.
No one:
Literally no one:
Austria: Hmm yes let’s move Bavaria to Belgium what could possibly go wrong?
Scenario Idea: What if Serbia/Yugoslavia won the Yugoslav wars?
In 1763, france would no longer get the Austrian Netherlands. The French renounced it in 1757 after the defeat in Rossbach
I really like youre videos but my only concern is that sometimes you "underestimate" a country, like austria hungary, wich in 1914 had the fastest economic growth in Europe. I dont have a history degreee but I just feel that sometime you take into account population and stereotypes instead of actual datas. In youre videis we often see russia being the biggest ling term threat to european equilibreum but therr is only a mention of population. At the same time india and china were the most populated countries on earth and were either colonies or failed states. Anyway I really enjiy watching youre videos and youre maps are very good looking
Yeah he really seems to think an Austrian collapse is inevitable in most scenarios when it had a lot going for it before the 20th century. There are plenty of examples of multi-ethnic states being functional in the modern day. It's the same with him treating the partition of Poland like it's inevitability even when most of Europe was against it and the Commonwealth was in the process of reforming when it happened. Even in the Napoleonic victory scenario he said that creating the Duchy of Warsaw was a bad idea, even though one of France's main foreign policy goals was restoring a strong Poland to counterbalance Russia.
@@leaderofthebunch-deadbeat7716 I think his point is that, yes, restoring Poland was meant to counterbalance Russia... which was a dumb move, because it directly antagonised the Russians against Napoleon.
what if australia was discovered before america
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i would like you to do a what if everything went perfect for spain
It's still possible that Peter III succeeds Tsarine Elizabeth in 1763, the is deposed by his wife for giving Prussia back to Prussia.
The smooth jazz is actually quite nice.
Hey man, love your content and all, but what's up with thebackground music as of lately? Don't know if it's just me, but I think it doesn't fit and can sometimes even be a little annoying/distracting.
Still great videos keep it up👍🏻
What if Kaiser Frederick III survived
Please do a what if the maratha's defeated the durrani and the mughals way earlier or a timeline where the maratha's defeated the british, this would be more interesting as you havent really made a video on india since the "what if everything went perfect for india"
Please Make "What if the Eastern Roman Empire (Byzantine Empire) Survived?". I need answers.
I know it's not really related to the video, but could you make a video about what if everything went right for Morocco? I've heard it had very good potential for becoming a great power, but multiple factors came into its downfall
I kind of had some similar ideas for a timeline exploring the consequences of various divergences during the 7 Years War (George Washington being killed in battle, Britain securing control over the Philippines, Prussia getting crushed, the Indian theatre ending in a more even stalemate, etc.). One thing I was thinking of exploring was the potential for a full marriage alliance between Catherine and Stanislaus laying the foundations for a union of the Polish-Lithuanian and Russian crowns further down the line (basically Paul still succeeds Catherine but is later deposed in a Decembrist style Liberal coup that offers the Russian Crown to the child of Catherine and Stanislaus, who had since been elected King in Poland-Lithuania, with the understanding that the Liberal dominated Duma would have full control over Russian internal affairs).
that sounds nice
Not sure I agree with your trajectory for Poland here as without Prussia, Poland becomes too important of a buffer state to maintain the balance between Austria and Russia. Thus I could see Poland re-exerting its independence by essentially entering into a 3 way defensive pact/alliance with Austria and Russia. Feels more like you went with Poland somehow still getting partitioned, due to how much that could change the Napoleonic Era.
As crazy as this sounds I could see Austria ceding part of Silesia to Poland (basically so with encouraged migration you could split the german and polish population) and letting them expand a strip to the Black Sea, in exchange for Poland backing Austria taking control of the Balkans then the 3 Eastern Powers work together to turn Greece and Anatolia into a New Byzantium, basically serving as the same function as Poland in the north, being a state that splits the Austrian world from the Russian world.
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14:22 It's Lombardy-Venetia not Venice
So Firstly I like the Video but one tiny little nitpicky thing Prussia as it was bye the time of the 7 Years war wasnt actually Prussia the monarchs just called themselfs King IN Prussia but the State was like a Personel union between Prussia and brandenburg so as soon as they lost Prussia they wont be called Prussia anymore. Anyways still great Video and I pretty much agree with all of it.
I want a part 2
5:06 He wasn't called Stanislaus II, just Stanislaus August
We need a continuation
Nice
I just had a crazy What if Idea...
What if Napoleon allied with the British...
It's crazy I know, but if instead of a marriage alliance with Austria, it was instead with Britan...
France would need to beat Britain first.
What if everything went perfect for Norway? Day 1.
Majestic
Random video idea: What if the Qing modernised in the 19th century? I feel like they would align with Britain and Russia, preventing the rise of Japan and remaining intact (although most likely as a constitutional monarchy with the KMT largely in control).
I miss the classical music your old videos had!
And that my friends is why you always go for centralization aka "revoke the privilegia" instead of that stupid decentralized HRE.
Yay a part 2
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If the territory of Prussia such as Danzig and Königsberg were to be annexed by Russia after the 7 years war it would only accelerate the collapse of the Russian Empire, adding even more ethnic groups to the Russian empire that don’t want to be part of Russia. There were already the Lithuanians, Latvians, Finns, Estonians, Poles, Kazakhs, Turkic peoples, add to that the Germans in Königsberg and I forgot to mentions the Moldovans/Romanians of Bessarabia and you get an explosive mix
Russia trying to beat austrians in unstable countries competition
Danzig was Polish-Lithuanian. In our timeline it didn't collapse until 1991. The change is negligible.
@@Samuil-iq6eb the fvck you saying? It fell apart once the germans managed to break them, now Imagine if you had people who dont want to be in your country, lets say these people want to be a part of another country, lets say you already have one region who really wants to get out of your country, lets say that region wants to at least be a part of a very autonomous region of the same country the other region wants to be, you know what is next? Rebelions, from both germans and poles, AND a risk of austrian intervention, AND a risk of revolts starting all over your country, during one of the uprisings poles with zero support weren't doing half bad, now add to it a couple hungred thousands more people and austrian help and you have a russia who is facing a lot of problems
@@Samuil-iq6eb this is the ussr You’re talking about. The Russian empire collapsed in 1917 after the Russian revolution. If they had annexed even more ethnic groups they would have collapsed sooner
@@Kaiser7068 It collapsed because of war, so ruled out.
Still negligible.
So…stalemate? 🤝
do a what if history went perfect for the axis powers like u did with the central powers and not just untill they win ww2 but a little after that aswell for obvious reasons to see what a post war world might look like with axis rule in eurasia and africa
What if everything went perfectly for Bavaria
What if History went perfect for Eastern Rome?
Prussia wouldn't even seem like Prussia anymore if they and Russia lose that war over Polish influence. At this point they're really just back to being Brandenburg.
Video idea: What if everything goes perfect for the Swedish Empire
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What if the United Kingdom of Portugal and Brazil is maintained?
11:12 I love how the breasts are just hanging about love how this ain’t age restricted 😅 ( of course it does tho most European paintings do I would know)
wish I saw this in ap euro before the exam
Maybe the music be a bit quieter
why is it in every timeline Russia gets progressively more scary
Last time I was this early the lowlands were still recovering from the great flood of the early XVII century.
Suggestion: what if everything went perfect for Romania/ What if Romania and Bulgaria united before ww1 (5th time, I think)
Good video, thanks.
one point:
I dont think Prussia would take the loss and never recover. Frederick II. was still way to active after the war in the OTL. If he doesnt commit suicide, abdicates or dies in a last-stand-battle somewhere, which i grant is a possibility, i believe he would try to bounce back as fast and hard as possible. So i have to disagree with the general sidelining of prussia in this scenario. Sure they are diminished but they still would try to make their voice known. Especially in regards to prussian heartlands in Poland. Since a Russo-Prussian alliance is already mentioned: Peter III definetly has the power and time to just let Prussia get territory from Poland.
TLDR i disagree with the general inacitvity of prussia in this ATL. (Reasons: Fredericks Personality (if he lives) and Peter III. (has the time and prussia-fanboy-antics even after the 7-years-war))
i do realize however how the scenario hinges on the inactivity or sidelining of Prussia.
Peter III reigned for only 6 months. And was one of the most unable men regarding political strategy. Literally nothing would change on that front.
@@Samuil-iq6eb According to the vid he would rule later which still leaves a window of opportunity (way after the war of course) but 6 months of Peter is still enough for him to give prussia any boon they might ask for. What might throw a wrench is Elizabeth or Catherine having more time to realise what a nutjob/incompeten tool peter was and thus cutting time shorter. (Also wasnt his "gifted win" part of the reason he was removed so soon? Wouldnt that leave oppurtunity to have Peter reign even longer perhaps? Since he might not gift prussia anything.)
What if France won the seven years war but Austria lost?
Make a “what if history went perfect for the ottomans
Please do what if the Yom Kippur war never happened
What if Prussia won the 7-Years War but Britain won. Imagining a realistic way for this to happen would be harder than predicting the scenario itself. Maybe France launches surprising, all-or-nothing naval invasion of the British Isles and they don’t react because that didn’t except it or something?
Do you mean What if Prussia won but Britain Lost? Cause you said "What if Prussia Won the 7-Years War but Britain Won" is basically what happened irl.
I think it's highly possible that Napoleon and Russia just divide the continent amongst themselves, as Austria wouldn't really be that much stronger and would be opposed to Russia, while Prussia is more likely to join Napoleon in hopes of regaining their lost lands.
17:00 Gives me Carolingian ahh vibess
3:19 didn’t show all of HRE and not the Germanic, but the German states.
What if Sweden won the Great Northern War, or alternatively, made a considerably mild peace with Russia during the first phase of the war, only ceding St.Petersburg?
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Could Peter the 3rd have given Prussia Prussia back
What if Marie Terezie lost war of Austrian sucesion ( Karl Albrecht of Bavaria take Bohemian crone please incorporate this to scenario he was in real life proclaim and crone king during the Austrian sucesion war )
Video 5 of asking Possible History for a video about "If Valery Sablin was succesful"
Reading a book on the Seven Years War and taking a shot every time God enacts divine intervention to save the Prussians from their own incompetence (my liver is permanently damaged)
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at 8:09 it makes no sense that france help austria since austria broke the austrian netherland treaty, if france do anything, they declare war on austria to take austrian netherland
France renounced its claim in 1757 after Rossbach. So though this guy mistook grossly, twice, in the end it went correctly.
@@Samuil-iq6ebfake it 'till ya make it
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