Tesla Model S P85 Drive Unit Fluid Service
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- Doing the first drive unit fluid service on a 2013 Tesla Model S P85. This is a quick guide to help do it on your own, as it is not at all difficult. A fluid evacuator pump is absolutely the best tool for this job (www.amazon.com....
The only required fluids are DexronVI Automatic Transmission Fluid. 1.5 qts (1.4L) for the large units, and 2.4 qts (2.3L) for the small units. This is for 2012 to 2016 Model S cars, RWD or AWD, as we are only servicing the rear unit in this video.
Yes, one part of the video flipped. The editor double flipped for some unknown reason, and it didn't show up until after the video was converted, so it will remain flipped.
Anyone else notice he did that whole job pretty much with one hand? Thanks for the video. Very helpful.
brutus56ful Yes one handed but most us Auto Technicians teach ourselfs to work one handed due poor engineering. The reasoning behind this they make the components so tight to each other and the body that they almost never think about the car being repaired by someone with two hands.
How often does this service need to be performed?
Clint Danielson I’ve heard it’s every four years but I’m not exactly sure.
Bless him, having to handle that dang camera whilst doing his work...he deserves a thumbs up.
This is it ! Very easy and clean servis . Mechanics and car owners have been waiting for it for over 100 years ! Really too long .
Thanks for the video you made this an easy process. I used ramps to get under the car and used a flexible tube attached to the quart bottles to refill the transmission.
The fluid at 120,000 miles was still red and looked good. No foul smell either.
Thanks for an interesting video. Amazing how watching a head mounted webcam video can make you feel a little nauseous where as the same amount of movement perceived with your own eyes doesn't have the same effect.
I send in a sample for transmission fluid and engine oil every 50k on wife's car. My 16 F-150 with 2.7 ecoboost gets an oil sample sent in every other 5k because of the turbos and at 30k once I get there for transmission fluid. I personally have witnessed a truck "semi" having an oil analysis done and catching a bearing going bad before having any symptoms and a vans head gasket starting to fail. This is why I change fluids even if the manufacturer says no need too. There's a wealth of information in what you cant see.
It's a real talent that he was able to oil the entire floor with a Tesla!
Just a note for anyone doing this. A top plug is not (!) a level check plug. You need to fill exact amount as per service manual even if oil goes higher than "fill plug". This is different than on any other car.
The oil does NOT go higher than the plug. It takes far less than that. If it’s overfilled, it aerates the fluid and causes lubricity issues, leading to increased bearing wear when spinning at 18k rpms. Spec calls for 1.5qts. This had nearly 4.
U know how much for front drive unit?
Awesome, thank you! You just saved me the first annual service for a dual motor Model S ($550 vs a few quarts of ATF)
Chris Williams just remember, both motors should be serviced. the front motor is pretty much the identical procedure, but you need to watch fluid type based on motor model number. there's a reply on one of these comments where it is specified.
Understood. Also, I'll check in with the service center and get the specs for the P100 dual motor fluids.
Would it not influence the warranty if you do it yourself?
Johan Smith No. it matters not, who does the service. If the service was done according to recommended procedure, the warranty is unaffected.
Tesla Repair Channel ya... According to the law... But good look telling musk that and getting your car covered...
Love the background garage sounds and talking
Super informative! Excellent presentation. More!
The way that guild came out cherry red looked like it would of lasted a life time omg
Life sized RC motor service
This is your daily dose of Recommendation
Two questions:
1. How to know when is the right time to change the drive unit fluid (Model S, 2017 - haven't changed since)
2. For the Model S 2017 AWD P100D, what is the recommended Transmission fluid quantity?
When the main bearing fails and you wind up replacing the DU - thats when you know its the right time 🤣
That is a very cumbersome way to change trans/differential fluid. Most cars accessible without removing multiple panels, just a plug on the rear axle, or the trans pan is accessible with no panel removal-every car I ever owned is that way from high school, 43 years.
SuperExcedrin aerodynamics are more important than making changing the fluid easy.
One plug should be enough to empty the sump, always has been on every car I ever worked on. A simple aerodynamic cover and accessible plug. No need to be defensive, if it's a cumbersome/labor intensive($$$) process then they should improve it.
Seen some things I didn't know in a Tesla. Thanks for sharing. You got a new subscriber
This is great!!! Awesome video! Please post more!!
How often does this service need to be performed?
Would it kill you to not let the bolts drop on the floor? That’s how they go missing just like you mentioned in the video.
Ken Eisner you wanna hold the camera for me?
Tesla Repair Channel Haha, yeah I would love to. I don’t charge that much. Or you can get one of your coworkers to do it for a beer after work. Anyway, I’m just giving you a hard time. Good video none-the-less.
His in a shop its going to be hard to lose them. Don't try that outdoors thou...I dropped a bolt right in front of my face..never found it. They are really good camouflagers on black asphalt.
There is a tool for those plastic pins you savage 😜
MrCanTank good luck using it. it doesn't work well with recessed heads. pick or small flathead are far less aggravating.
I supposed you would use a Phillip screwdriver to remove a slotted screw?
I found long "cabinet" flat head screwdrivers work well for those clips. Their small enough to fit it with great leverage
Great video. My 06 Saturn has 180,000 miles with the original fluid. But the real question is how do you change the flasher fluid and where can you buy the stuff. I asked at an automotive supply store and they made fun of me. One guy even muttered I was stupid. Can you believe it?
I don't know what to say to the people complaining that the repair was messy. You want things done fast, maybe not a single splash of anything and your trim pieces massaged.
+RickTrajan eh, it wasn't to show how to do it in a sterile clean room in a tyvek suit. It's something I do in my free time to show owners how to do things themselves. It's quick, sloppy, and one handed. I don't care how people choose to criticize, so long as an owner can get the idea and undertake the job themselves.
Tesla Repair Channel people's standards are way too high yet they don't want to pay as much - but that's typical, the worst is when they're not considering what they're asking for.
RickTrajan - EXACTLY
They could have added a simple access panel with a hinge under those drain plug. Would make this much easier than pulling off all those panels.
I understand it's not a common service to do.. but still. Kinda dumb.
I can't find my 10mm socket.
Quite helpful vid - thx a lot ! Good to know it boils down to a typical diff fluid change. No need to spend >500 bucks on this at your friendly Tesla dealer ;-)
heh, funny how the smaller motor takes more oil. this turned out to be way easier than I thought!
Subscribed. Soon my ride will be electric sooon
anti-gravity engine degreaser!!!
12,500 miles and 50,000 miles after that is not bad unlike an engine change oil
Suggestion: Video on patching the all weather continentals. I've punctured 2 tires in the past two weeks. Continental doesn't support repairs. The work requires a dremel tool to sand away the goo that holds the noise reducing foam.
Hillary Blinton 2 things: the foam you remove weighs next to nothing, and the wheel will balance out fine, and you can easily glue the foam back in. better yet, don't waste money on the foam tires, and by the standard versions for less money. The differences are only apparent at very specific frequencies. most people will never notice the difference between a foam tire, and a standard one
great video
nice video on R&R under panel .
Do you happen to know the fluid in the model 3 performance drive units? What are the intervals for replacing both the battery coolant and the drive unit fluid?
Good job
I just had Tesla replace my drive unit in my 2014 S85, so I would assume the 12500 rule applies to me for the first change
Yes. Tesla says it’s not required due to a change in manufacturing processes, but it’s such a simple and inexpensive task that I’d absolutely recommend doing at least the first change, since this unit was replaced by Tesla, and it was loaded with iron and overfilled by about 150%.
There’s no filter?
Those plastic plugs come off easier with a flathead screw driver. It also won't gouge them like the sharp pick you used.
broderp you're more than welcome to use whatever tools work best for you. from taking these apart enough times, a right angle pick is the easiest tool for me.
Tesla Repair Channel It is amazing the number of people that come on here to tell you how to do your job.
yeah.. before I refill mine, I run around the car 4 times holding the container of fresh fluid and chanting 'oh ho yo ho'. That way the transmission is ready to accept and bond with the new fluid. Done this hundreds of times and it works.. haven't had a transmission failure yet.
nice video
I hate to be a prick, but I guess I will: This is _exactly_ the reason I won't let ANYONE else work on my car, not even the stealership, for ANY reason. Rounded off bolts, bolts with vice grip marks all over them, scratched/gouged plastic panels, and _"push rivets" that look like they've been chewed on by a dog_ are my HOLY pet peeves. The only reason someone would get away with any of that on my ride would be because I would have a total loss of coolant meltdown and become a bubbling puddle of lava right before his eyes...
BluntForceTrauma666 I guess it's a good thing this is my car ;)
Yeah man, like I mentioned, I can be an overwhelming asshole when necessary, but this time I wasn't trying to be a dick just to be a dick. ...and to be honest? I threw out my comment before I had even finished watching your video, only to later see you properly using a click-wrench and snagging a sample for the oil-analysis.
Also, +++ _major_ props to you for having such a cool-headed response.....
No offense ,but something wrong with u lol.Bolts with grip marks ,seriously that bothering u ???,they are fuc... bolts,who gives a fack how they look under car ?.Scratched plastic panels ,wtf ....u should keep ur car in glass cube,then u can sleep well.
Really? Something is wrong with *me?* No offense, you annoying little pissant...maybe one day when you are no longer suckling on mommy & daddy's bank account and you aren't fascinated with idiotic video games anymore, you will appreciate the proper care of your own items that have price tags nearly equal to small houses. Until then, _you_ and people like you ARE THE PROBLEM. Damn ignnorant judgemental fucktards...
Damn,not even 1% u are correct about me,i hope in real life u also not judge peoples by first look on them,coz u suck at it.
Magnetic bolt. Was there any debris on it? Also, that fluid looks pretty good. How many miles on it? I'm at 13k for two years. Do I need to worry about this yet?
May I suggest you invest in a camera head band mount. That way you have two hands to work with.
Great informative video. Do you know what fluid goes into the Model 3 drive units?
Great video! Thank you! Hope you're gonna cover all routine maintenance work for the Tesla on your channel.
staaaajn that's the plan, but I'm currently trying to.....diplomatically.....gain access to the diagnostic systems, and open then up for public use. if these cars are going to rule the roads in the future, people have to be able to maintain them in their driveway when needed
Great! I follow your philosophy. Just subscribed to your channel. Thanks again.
How you fix the oil pump vacuum ..mines don't suck oil or even pump oil in ..just asking if you know
simple big service
Top, Top Line Ok Broder.
Thanks!
Hi!
Any comments for how to learn to repair the EV cars ? Or any school recommends for learning ?
Thanks !!!
Have you replaced the bearing inside the drive unit that makes the milling sound?
yarik06 I have not. this unit was replaced due to inverter noise and the milling noise. there have been a few people who have, and I will reach out to them to see if they can record a video of the procedure and I will post it.
I've watched the Jack Rickard where they install the Quaife ATB and they replaced the bearings. I'm just not sure if it's the same bearings that make the noise?
czcams.com/video/RJvjgEK7V4I/video.htmlh15m51s
They have special pliers that will have those push pin fasteners off quicker than you did one lol.
What bout the filter?
There goes the theory that TESLA does not need any oil changes !!!
After all ATF is OIL ...
Exactly same as with automatic transmission. There is also theory that it don't need oil change but that's big lie ...
Toyotas do not even have dipstick for ATF or any word about it in owner manual as it is "for life" factory fill. Same for many GM cars.
Strange that TESLA does not use permanent fluid, they have been available since 1970's, like for example
www.synlube.com/synthetic-atf.html
or even Mobil 1 Synthetic AFT will last 300,000 miles or more !!!
So having obsolete technology in $100,000 car is quite a disappointment !!!
The drive unit is designed to last over 1 million miles so 300000 mile fluid isn't going to cut it this is a 100 thousand mile service if I remember correctly so nothing like doing a 5 quart oil change every 7500 miles.
Miro Kefurt they use Dexron VI in Teslas. if you look at the maintenance schedule for GMs that use Dex VI, they call for a fluid change at 60k. It's not a required item, but it doesn't hurt to change it. in this case, it's a good thing I did, because the iron level was insane.
What I’m trying to figure out is why the fluid is being replaced in the first place. Tesla does not advise fluid replacement for any of the services. This is NOT recommended by Tesla.
What are the dimensions of the drive motor?
What's the recommended fluid change interval? I was under the impression this only needed to be done to service the motor.
Lounge lizard first service is 12.5k, and then every 50k thereafter.
So much for the "much less service than an ICE car" mantra.
+SuperExcedrin yeah who wants to go through the hassle of changing out 1.5 quarts of ATF every 50k miles?
Really...
Let's see, changing gear oil is a real hassle in comparison to engine oil every 5k, spark plugs, serpentine belts/timing belts, brakes every 40k (Tesla's last over 100k easily), antifreeze (batteries do have glycol based coolant too), air filter, fuel filter, exhaust/catalytic converter, smog checks.
I own both an S and an X in place of my loved Jaguars and Range Rover. Each car cost me $80 month to charge at home, in comparison to $400 month in fuel for each carr. I can drive in the carpool lane by myself without charge...and best of all, the car drives itself. Recently took a road trip from California to Everett Washington and the car drove 95% of the way.
Sorry dude, the MANTRA, as you put it, sticks!
lofl.
I haven't replaced a spark plug since I bought my 2003 Durango in 2005, three Rams, one sold at 156,000, one at 212,000, and a new one I will drive to at least 200,000. Fuel injection and perfect combustion with modern engine/combustion control means plugs don't foul or wear out like they used to.
Same with belts, one broke at 45,000 miles from a cut not by wear, replaced two others-they were squeaking from surface glazing.
My brakes go 85,000 because I don't ride them and don't do "stop-go" stupid driving.
Anti-freeze goes 5 years between refresh.
Air filter 50,000 miles, replace/clean, not expensive, less than $30.
Catalytic converter? again, perfect combustion means much cleaner exhaust goes thru system-have not replace on any vehicles mentioned above and never failed an emissions test. Emission test $25 at yearly inspection.
I read on a Tesla forum that Model S has service at two years and 4 years, 2 year cost $700 and 4 year cost $900. That's more than my oil changes cost.
Gas cost is true, but then again if you bought long range Tesla you paid extra($10k-$15k/) for longer range battery. That is same as "gas", since you cannot go that extra range without the extra cost battery upgrade-which is expensive.
No filter to repalce?
Filters started to show up with the introduction of the SRPPM drive units. This generation asynchronous induction drive unit didn’t get a filter.
Does iron in the fluid change the electric motor frequency?
No. It’s only in the transmission. Iron in the fluid destroys the bearings, and has led to the failure of almost every first generation large drive unit.
I'm at 190k issue came up like out of no where at 189500. Could improper high lifting of the left rear at discount tire cause an issue? Also found a ticking at the splines of the cv axle
Why do you let the screws free fall? How do you make sure you do not lose them?
srivastavasunil because I only have one hand. I watch the screws fall, so I know where they go. If I lose one, I replace it.
where is your shop at? Id love to stop by to have my service done with you!
Seems easy when you turned the car upside down to clean it :D
it's blood?
where is this shop?
That fluid was perfectly fine, no need to change it!
Goru Minosyan no it wasn't. it was loaded with iron.
Iron, then you've have got a major problem
How much fluid goes into the front drive unit on a p90d model x and would I used the same fluid?
Paul Melnichuk 2.4 US quarts, and it’s the same DexronVI
Looks like an evo workshop
Do you know the recommended service interval for the big drive unit?
Kurt Jenney 12,500 miles for the first service, and every 50k miles thereafter.
BRAKE CLEAN
That fluid service life must be ridiculously high...
skirmich rated at 50k miles. it still gets contaminated. this sample showed excessive iron, so we will see what the next one shows.
Tesla Repair Channel is that Blackstone Labs you’re using for testing? I’ve had 2 cars’ oil tested by them. I just got a new (2 year old) truck that I’m anxious to see their analysis for.
it is.
Where can I get one of those fancy anti-gravity lift units (7:35 on video)? ;)
Ebay
ATF ???
can anyone tell me what is the benefit of changing the du oil?
lau andy sane reason you change the oil in anything else. It removes contamination.
wow Look at dat evo 10 thooo 2:04
my question is what's up with all the EVO's?
+Brian O'Connor why have 1 when you can have them all?
I’d like to Tesla drivetrains swap a suv one day..
Fascinating Video! Thank you very much! Interested in seeing how an electric car is maintained compared to an ICE.
Is maintenance easier on a Electric vs ICE?
Thanks great video!
Nelson C An ev does almost never need maintenance
4:47 WHEN TESLA TAKES THE LEAK
4:00 its bleeding 😧
Could you do a video on draining the coolant from the battery and how to fill it back up again?
Dimitri Tsilis I absolutely could, but that actually requires having the ethernet-HSD cable, and a laptop with Tesla Toolbox and active credentials.
Tesla Repair Channel so it cannot be done by the owner, must be done by Tesla ?
precisely. tesla does not allow the end user access to toolbox, thus, does not allow the end user to do most of their own maintenance.
Wrong anyone can get the tool boxs it's against the law for tesla to prevent owners from doing their own maintenance however access to the toolbox software is expensive expensive I think like 1500! $ a year
Wok if you can do or somehow find a video of how to change/replace the coolant in a Tesla Model S that would be great based off what you mentioned. Thanks
What is the red liquid
Ekyoueiwhkabdkch Djlals dexron VI automatic transmission fluid
Are the process and specs the same for a late-model S?
David Reitter as of now, yes. there's rumors of the S going permanent magnet like the Model 3, and I don't know if that will impact the transmission at all.
what spray did you use to clean that oil ?
Yass brake cleaner
How does the fluid look compared to an ice car?
azalru no different than one with 18k miles on it. properly maintained, there shouldn't be much color change over the life of a transmission.
Nuts can't fall any further than to the ground .
6 days later, the pins come out xD
Anyone using a real gearbox oil like the red line MT-LV ?
Spec is Dexron VI. It spins WAY too fast for gear oil. The windage losses would be INSANE.
@EvolutionAutomotiveLLC thank you for your feed back i changed my LDU oil with redline MT-LV which is very low viscosity ( the one recommended for kona ev ) so far no issues.
So you're the bar steward who buggers up all the world's Tinnermans using an air ratchet on the screws!
why the bolts are marked?
+Scareface Visuals to see if they have moved at all during the next service. It's also a verification that they been properly tightened. Usually I'd mark them each as soon as they were done.
I am curious, how much fluid does a Tesla use compared to a ICE?
Blaise Wisman much less. This car uses 1.5 quarts of transmission fluid, while a standard automatic transmission uses 8-10 quarts, most of which is for the torque converter. Other fluids, like brake fluid, and coolant, are comparable to most cars.
@@EvolutionAutomotiveLLC thanks, i am loving my duel motor AWD but that was one of the questions always brought up my petrol heads saying silly things like ICE is just as green as EVs lol.
Very nice video! can you please tell me what spray did you used for cleaning the oil? thank you in advance. I need to find it here in Argentina.
Brake cleaner
Franco Daniel Martinez You drive a Model S in Argentina?
not necessarily a Tesla...
Notice alot of Mitsubishi Evo in that garage.
the observer there's a lot more that you don't see.
Ask Honda for design help. On my CRV the head and tail is cheep thin plastic all held in with plastic pop nuts. Bolts Nuts and web reinforced panels are 1970s technology. Tesla see Honda CRV head and tail under body panels ASAP
How in the world do you get that on the lift. I never worked with a tesla, but it looks sketchy lol. You can lift it with the lifts on the skirts which can collapse on you or you can lift it with the lifts on battery which will puncture blowing up killing you. Lol hmmm rip
Adrian Meza There are lift pads at the 4 corners between the wheels. They are bolted directly to the frame rails
It's not over filled, you supposed to feel it until it starts spelling out and then return your plug.
tank except for The part in the service manual where it says do not do that
@@EvolutionAutomotiveLLC How do you even get it so overfilled unless it was filled while on its side?
11:05 tech support!
Plastic bolts?
huh?
How many miles will change the drive fluid?
Jerry first service at 12500, and every 50k thereafter
Tesla Repair Channel
Not bad, unlike an engine oil
What was the parts per million on the oil sample?
Hydrogen Cyanide 142PPM of iron. 7 times allowable numbers of 21PPM
@@EvolutionAutomotiveLLC ok thank you
Are these fluids made from petroleum?
william castro it is a synthetic blend, with the base oils being petroleum based hydrocarbons. CAS number for further info is 72623-8-0
one more question, maybe you said it in the video but I'm from Brazil and I do not understand English very well, that oil that you removed from the car and put it back has a function?
william castro the oil removed was Dexron 6 automatic transmission fluid, which had about 18000 miles on it. The purpose is for lubrication and cooling of the gears inside the transmission.
The chrome reverse inverse quasi-electrode clearly needs replacing. Get on it.
Those aren't rails. They are called "Stakes" part of the rear under tray diffuser.
"Strakes"
Thx. typo error...lol
They are also known as the "Vanes"