"Un bel di vedremo" Maria Callas, Anna Netrebko and Renata Tebaldi (Actual/Old School Comparison!)
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I started listening to opera with love as a litte child. My parents use to play all Maria Callas records. Later when I listening to other Soprani, I never liked it. The voice of Maria Callas is so unique.
Maria Callas is poetry. She really express the meaning of the text. I have chills
Netrebko
This is not even Tebaldi at her best (at times) but the clarity of tone rings true. And, Butterfly is not my favorite Callas role, but that's me comparing Callas to Callas. Netrebko has a great instrument but there is a lot of "noise" in her sound. It's artificially dark and that's not because she is Russian. Although this is not the worst example, she is frequently sloppy with the music as if she were too busy to properly learn her roles, relying on her popularity and influence to get by. Compare this to the impeccable artistry of Callas and there is no contest.
Sloppy is exactly the word. She has such poor musicianship...I suppose to match the poor technique.
@@UranusRising interesting. What do you think are the musicanship flaws she has?
I think Anna just has too lyric voice. I have no great technic. Yet:). But for me make sound of voice like Tebaldi or Callas much easier than like Netrebko. Just because of nature of my voice.
@@Ignasimp No chest voice, it's all in the throat which can make the high notes shrill.
From just the first note - Callas and Tebaldi sing WITHIN the note or in other words, the pitch of the note is CLEAR. Netrebko sings *around* the note bc she, as most modern opera singers, wobble instead of vibrate. They say now that vibrato is a result of being totally relaxed and that their vibrato (wobble) is natural, but it's not nor does it sound relaxed and natural or good at all. Callas and Tebaldi, as all old school singers, had CONTROL over their vibrato bc they used their diaphragms, had proper control over the finer laryngeal muscles, and had proper registration to achieve their sounds.
Callas was incomparable in her bel canto parts, but when it comes to music requiring lush Italian spinto sound, Tebaldi wins every time. One critic compared her ‘Tu, tu, piccolo addio’ to an Italian ‘Götterdämmerung’.
Qui la Tebaldi non ha rivali. La Netrebko che ci sta a fare.
I believe I’m correct that Callas only sang Butterfly in Chicago, where the famous process server picture became iconic.
Che bello vedere la grande Tebaldi e la grande Callas polverizzare senza pietà alcuna una ingolata presuntuosa Netrbko
La Callas in questa romanza, passa dal racconto, alla fiaba. La sua voce nei toni si trasforma. Per arrivare con il canto a capire che tutto quello che accade attorno a lei (Cio Cio San!) riguarda la sua vita. Allora il dolore traspare nella suo acuto incredibile .
JOHN BOY I agree that times have changed but because of that, what makes traditionalists 'jealous' or angry(concerned) is knowing that good content is not being put out there while opera houses charge an arm and a leg to see a Rigoletto set in a futuristic steam punk reality with singers who don't have basic understanding of the voice. Its also an imbalance in the music. Nowadays we spend more time talking about music than actually working on it trying to find some higher meaning in the work when all they do is come up with justifications 4 their "interpretations". Also I will try to say this as kindly as possible: unless the content is absolutely hateful, any channel has a right to post what they want, if a person has an opinion on a singer they have that right assuming they r a musician. times have changed but in opera not for the better sadly.
Absolutely right! Have you heard Ernesto Petti? He's great! Reminds me a little of Bastianini!
@@xxsaruman82xx87 wonderful voice! And if he keeps at it he could have something really good going for him!😘
Casey Franco. - Agreed. Forty years ago Tebaldi said the then current crop of singers sounded like mosquitoes. If people don't like singers these days it's not because they don't like change. It's because singers today really aren't very good. Not all singers of yore were great, but there were so many who were really good. A year ago I decided to give up going to the Met in HD because I could not believe how not good (I'm trying to be courteous) the singers were, and adding insult to injury was the apparent adulation accorded them by the in house audience.
That's my rant of the day.
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In addition, we live in a time with VERY FEW live performance, all through streaming and recordings.
What justifies having to listen to Netrebko Y Bezcala in STREAMING?
At least if you listen to them at La Scalla, you step on the wonderful theater, listen to a live professional orchestra. But by STREAMING ?? Never.
Callas had perfect diction and elegance in her singing her technique allowed her give expressiveness even if we aren't watch her That's part of bel canto.❤️
Tebaldi was a great singer and had a beautiful voice ❤️
But....
What the hell.. What are doing netrebko in this compassion?
She is nothing compared with them.
She's a awful, horrible, orrendo singer.
One of the worst singer in the history.
I could compare her with Florence Foster Jenkins but she had more grace than netrebko.
The editing is chaos, and the comparison is not fair at all. What's wrong with Callas' recording? What are you comparing here?
Tebaldi THE BEST!
Callas' interpretation is that of a heartbroken girl, while Tebaldi's rendition breaks your heart. Netrebko........lol.
So true!
Es comparar diamantes con vidrio
MARIA CALLAS UNICA THE BEST FOR ETERNITY.
MARIA CALLAS THE DIVINA.
I LOVE YOU CALLAS .
01 01 2021
La Butterfly non è che Tebaldi . La parte è da spinto, ma soprattutto l’emissione della Tebaldi in qualsiasi cosa canti è, o sembra, estremamente naturale. Callas praticamente mai, è una voce ‘costruita’, assolutamente inadatta a tutto il repertorio tardo-verdiano , pucciniano e verista. La Netrebko ha dei grandi problemi di appoggio diaframmatico e di fiato e nasce come lirico-leggero. Servono lunghe arcate di fiato per cantare Butterfly e la Netrebko non le ha. Soprattutto sia Callas che Netrebko sono innaturali. Per Butterfly e in generale in Puccini serve un’emissione naturale. I colori delle tre voci sono poi imparagonabili. La voce di Renata Tebaldi è di gran lunga la voce femminile lirica più bella conosciuta in disco e soprattutto dal vivo per i fortunati che l’han sentita. Il temperamento della 15enne Ciò ciò San è molto più in linea con la Tebaldi che con le altre due.
Callas never fails to go directly to the emotional core of the character and expose its essence. I find it difficult to listen to anyone else sing a role I've heard her sing. And until recently, I did not like her at all!
Try Callas singing Medea. It will knock your socks off!
Indeed!
I love De Los Angeles, Freni, and Moffo as well! They obviously don't have hefty voices like Tebaldi and Callas, but their lyrical interpretations are just as valid in my eyes. I love De Los Angeles' Butterfly the most, with Di Stefano and Gobbi, conducted by the masterly Gavazzeni. I also discovered this recently, a live performance of Butterfly with Caballe, her husband Bernabe Marti (who I believe Ponselle and Tucker said was one of the most underrated tenors ever) and the underrated baritone Ausensi, all conducted by the underrated conductor Gianfranco Rivoli: czcams.com/video/qdrlu1F3rx0/video.html
@Barone Vitellio Scarpia Yes Tucci was wonderful!
@Barone Vitellio Scarpia Caballe isn't woofy as well! (Another I forgot was Dorothy Kirsten, who was great with MDM). My heart sinks every time I hear Netrebko's woofy voice over the radio.
@Barone Vitellio Scarpia Yes, I think painful is the right word for a lot of these singers.
@Barone Vitellio Scarpia Don't forgot the fact that she, along with most modern operatic sopranos and mezzos, has NO chest voice whatsoever.
Excelente comentario con el cual concuerdo 100%
Calla hands down!
Can you give me a link for listen the Callas's recording(live) ?
Netrebko aparte de ahogada parece que canta mordiendo el sonido, pero Tebaldi una Diosa total y Callas puff ni se diga, pero, hubieran buscado otra grabación más jodida de ella no se podía ??🙄
A trademark Tebaldi role. Madama Puccini.
CALLAS. FOREVER CALLAS !
Il colore della Tebaldi è incomparabile ....ma la piccola Batterfly è resa solo dalla Callas..e la sua esplosione di passionalità è semplicemente teatrale e t'investe come uno tsunami di emozione. Netrebko no comment
¡Tebaldi as The Queen!... ❤️
Callas is Metallic and sharp
Yes, her opening phrase is a bit sharp. But despite being imperfect she displays an unparalleled musicianship and attention to detail as well as having basically correct vocal production. Netrebko sounds like a parody of an opera singer.
Callas always sings sharp (sharp is to scream) because she forced her voice
What's Netrebko? 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Callas un bel di life?.. could you please be so kind as to tell me where, which year and all that?...
Callas performed Madama Butterfly live several times in 1955 (if my memory serves me well)
Callas had recorded this aria in 1954 (studio), 1955 and 1958 (live). The source in this video was extracted from her recital in London 1958 which was not at her prime
What's apparent aside from Netrebko's atrocious technique producing her throaty, unstable, and unfocused tone is her lack of musicality. With Tebaldi and Callas, the phrasing is paced and refined with an instinctual understanding of how to phrase it. Netrebko bellows through this aria like she's hacking wood.
Unfortunately both Callas and Tebaldi are stunning both admired live in the golden age of opera, as Butterfly Tebaldi wins by a margin as to the other the least said the better.
That, who made this, clearly prefers Tebaldi.
Yes, there is a restored version of very good quality for 1955 Callas's play. The conductor was Karajan. Search 'Madama Butterfly, Act 2: "Un bel dì vedremo" '. That video was published 5 years ago and this video was published 2 years ago. You tell the truth.
Ponselle is even BETTER in this aria.
Better than Netrebko? no need to clarify.
Better than Callas and Tebaldi? I do not believe the quality conditions of her recordings allow such a statement to transcend.
On ne peut pas comparer un enregistrement live de mauvaise qualité avec un enregistrement studio de Tebaldi qui sonne parfaitement ,ce n'est pas Fait play .Il faudrait comparer l'enregistrement de Callas avec Karajan avec celui de Tebaldi .Et là le jugement serait sans appel en faveur de Callas .
Qui la Tebaldi è imbattibile....
Tebaldi, the best!! In my opinion.
The Callas's one in 1954 was much better than here
THIS IS SOOOO INSULTING TO BOTH TEBALDI AND CALLAS! They had the golden era voice training. Why even trying to compare legends to contemporary singers when teaching significantly changed since then.
This would be like trying to compare Garifullina to Dame Anita Cerquetti. As good as she is she is NOWHERE near Dame Cerquetti in light of sustained notes and less than ever about technique. And this fault of the faster pushy business ideas of today's producers. That's why the level is so much lower today
Callas of course
Callas, then Tebaldi and then nobody.
Tebaldi superiore alle altre due e non solo. La vera Butterfly di Puccini è lei basta ascoltare la musica e lei la mitica Tebaldi è lo strumento vocale che completa questo capolavoro
nagyon rossz munka
Callas es la belleza en interpretación.
Tebaldi excelente técnica pero no tiene la fuerza de la Divina.
Ana simplemente lo hace bien, pero no emociona.
Callas la reina.
Tebaldi, Scotto, Olivero, Freni, Jurinac, Tomowa-Sintow, Pampanini, Dal Monte, these are the great Butterflies of the 20th century. It's a pure Verismo opera, not Hendel, I can't listen to it sung "belcanto" like Callas or Caballé did, sorry. Netrebko... sorry, no.
A pity that Callas' Fs of "vedremo" are so wobbly!
who cares
@@lahnaman I do, and everyone who knows a little about singing.
@@riccardowarwick tebaldi flat fan
orlando callas/wobbly/sharp fan
@@riccardowarwick Riccardo,poor Amelia!
1:21 PPPPPPOOOHHIH LA NAVE È BIANCAH 😭