Tebaldi and Callas come basically from the same school of singing, each with her own speciality. In their art there is much more that connects them than makes them rivals. Netrebko, and essentially everyone else singing today, comes from another vocal world entirely, one recently invented, the tone either ‘ingolata’ or nasal, out of control vibrato, and everything artificially pumped up with microphones.
The REAL singers are out here, I promise. They just aren't getting cast in the big houses anymore (mostly). Check some of the smallest companies around, and they're surprisingly probably there.
La Tebaldi in questo ruolo è insuperabile: la Tebaldi è la Tebaldi e non c'è storia. Un angelo che canta. Non amo sempre tutto di lei ma la sua Leonora è magistrale e la voce è preziosissima. Toscanini non sbagliò chiedendo:" chi è quella ragazza che canta come un angelo?"......
How can anybody compare the exceedingly beautiful tones of Tebaldi, the drive and psychological study of a true musical genius like Callas with the inadequate, unstable, never properly placed or sustained voice of a musical pygmy like Netrebko? Preposterous.... however, very funny indeed!
No offense to anyone, Netrebko is a good soprano, but to compare her to artists that sang un-amplified, flat footed, with technique isn’t far. Callas brought true, trained drama with the voice, and Tebaldi has vocal color that can’t be compared. They both excelled in the Verdi repertoire, and their recordings speak for themselves.
La Netrebko es una de las peores soprano, con una voz engolada para poder cantar papeles que por su tipo de voz no podría abordar y parece una cantante vetusta de los años 30 sin respeto al compositor, compararla con la Callas o con Tebaldi es una ofensa a estas dos ultimas grandes sopranos de todos los tiempos, Callas soprano absoluta y Tebaldi una spinto sin comparación. Viva la Callas.
La razón de poner a la Netrebko entre Tebaldi y Callas tiene mucha retranca, tal vez sea una forma de poner en relieve la distancia entre la primera, Netrebko, y las otras, Tebaldi y Callas.
В Италии певцы с великолепными голосами рождаются как футболисты в Бразилии. Отсюда высокомерное отношение и поверхностное знание исполнителей других стран . Даже легендарного Марио Ланца , которого великий Артуро Тосканини назвал лучшим голосом ХХ века рафинированные любители оперы не особо чтят. Судьба не дала ему шанса спеть оперу в Ла скала. Но у меня любовь к этому этому театру проросла на жемчужинах арий Марио. В России после долгого перерыва(Тамара Милашкина) появилась истинное сопрано. Образцова, Архипова, Вишневская - все они меццо-сопрано. Даже Скотто, Френи- не уровень Каллас и Тебальди. Карузо от рождения не был тенором, Джильи - баритональный тенор, Паваротти над своим голосом работал 7 лет. А разве Бергонци, Гедда, Бьерлинг - это Карелли, Ди Стефано, Дель Монако?. У каждого свои пристрастия. Единственное с чем я согласен, с божественными Тебальди и Каллас сравнивать некого. Тебе спасибо дивная Италия. За дар богов, за эти голоса. Что будут вечно петь на небосклоне. Там будет жить моя душа
Netrebko impossible... than Tebaldi, beautiful sounds in the middle of the voice, and then Callas comes in and we all wake up, we are forced to hear, to understand, ... she brings the world of color, of dynamics, of an interpretation full of imagination and depth..
I remember a funny interview where Anna was talking about this Forza and its difficulties, and her words were: " Oh, If you have a good technique, Verdi can restore you". Well... no coments.
And she also said something that is so much high IQ: " the more I am singing this opera, the more I fell in love with it..." I think what she really meant is that she did not like to sing it but the "artistic" director assigned her here. How silly!
From which year is the recording of Anna Netrebko? Personally, I used to like her voice very much, but it has simply developed very negatively in the last 15 years.
@@pedrohasallthepower Certainly the most overrated singer of our time. It's a shame that the opera houses only saw a reason to fire her because of the Ukraine war.
Ей навязывают репертуар,она не свободна в выборе..тем более объяснила,что голос сел у неё после рождения ребёнка,не могла восстановить прежний.и перешла на драм репертуар
La bellezza é veramente relativa .... Un buon soprano nella media di oggi , la Netrebko , che da sola può essere considerata anche piacevole se paragonata a due soprano a lei superiori sotto ogni aspetto , vocale tecnico ed interpretativo ecco che fa la figura di una mediocre studentessa..... E lo dico senza nessun intento di insultare i sacrifici e le rinuncie di ognuno,( anche per essere solo un soprano medio i sacrifici sono comunque tantissimi ) credo che nessun soprano, tenore, basso, baritono , contralto o mezzosoprano di oggi possa essere confrontato con gli artisti di 70 anni fa ! era tutto diverso , società diverse e uomini diversi ,anche il modo in cui una diva o divo dovevano comportarsi sulla scena era completamente legato ai dettami di una società più bacchettona ad esempio ....le voci poi si sono rimpicciolite per molti versi e quindi anche una voce che una volta sarebbe stata scelta per fare l' elisir, oggi fa anche i grossi personaggi verdiani .... totalmente cambiato in meglio e anche in peggio.... Prendo atto.
Любимым певцам Ла скала Этот голос пламя из костра. Это мощь бурлящих водопадов. Теплый луч встающего утра. Золото сверкающих закатов Такой восторг исходит из груди Душа страдает тихо плачет Ведь Марио поет не только о любви. Но и о наших бедах и печалях. Божественная Каллас по сердцу скребёт. Любимая Тебальди как бриллиант сверкает. Ди Стефано красиво напевает. Корелли Тоской за душу берет. Френи в Богеме слух ласкает. Дель Монако в Паяцах так рыдает, а Кабалье так душу рвет. Что хочется все это слушать, ночи напролет. Тебе спасибо дивная Италия. За дар богов, за эти голоса Что будут вечно петь на небосклоне. Там будет жить моя душа
I will say, if we want to bring back the old teaching we have to put our childish attitudes aside or we risk sounding like the modernists. Ponselle, Tebaldi, and Callas were all Amazing who had both pros and cons but we MUST learn from all 3(and more) if we are to accomplish such a task😁✨
Couldn't agree more.. they have written so much about this role not suiting her!!! Imagine... they thought "one color, robust-in-the-middle" voices could be the only ones to sing it.. so much nonsense!.. Callas gives this score so many detail that the others never did... she confesses what Leonora wants, what she fears and what she suffered like no other...
@@Lorenzo-be1nm I’m a huge fan of Tebaldi but I have to say that Callas has more nuances. Unfortunately Callas’ only full opera recording of La forza is in studio...
The one thing I do appreciate about Netrebko is that she does the original written ending, unlike Tebaldi and Callas who adds an extra Maledizone before the high B flat
It is not the Netrebko hating channel. They don't hate today's singers. They think that today's singers have amazing potential if they developed great technical habits and expressed emotions out loud rather than more quietly. Rather, they are just pointing out the many times they demonstrate bad technique.
it is not the beauty of the voice (beauty can be so yawning boring) because you can be divided about this. But and this is often overlooked, the handling of the text (opera is also: drama with music) its meaning, if a every word is given a character through timbre and coloring in order to express what is intended - as in spoken theater, where sentences are modulated and thus their drama, their effect. There were only 3 people among the opera singers (Lieder is a special category to be dealt with): Caruso, Ruffo, Callas, who did this in an exemplary manner. Often, what is completely okay, is only listened to, the tone,the pitch, is right; and the words and their exact pronunciation are then, at best, secondary. This can only be understood by those who have mastered the sung language and who are also interested in the plot and not indulge in the melodies alone.
Virginia Zeani is another soprano whose characterful singing is invigorated by crystal clear diction and the meaningful use of vocal colour. Not having heard Netrebko live, as I did with Zeani and many of that generation, I am left with the impression of a seemingly decent but dull sort of voice which has no story to tell.
La Versión de netrebko suena bajo, debes normalizar el volumen, sin embargo no hay comparación, Callas y Tebaldi son sopranos casi dramáticas, Anna netrebko es Lírica
@@user-ry9zf5fp4v Igualmente agradezco a Netrebko ya que por ella conocí la ópera, luego conocí a Callas, Tebaldi, Caballé, Fleming, Angela gheorghiu, entre otras 😊
«Slimming the voice» is not healthy. The voice must be properly released to reach those high notes. If we «slim» the voice, all we do is to constrict the voice to hard higher notes and we lose both timbre and debth, which are the most essencial parts of classical singing/opera! Bravissima Tebaldi! Bravo Maria Callas! Netrebko, you have still alot to learn… Maybe you would be better as Queen of the night?
Renata Tebaldi suprema Diva María Callas sucesora de Renata. Anna Netrebko única y la voz más popular de la actualidad. Con una potencia solo de ella. Mi gran amor platónico. Desde Costa Rica 09/01/ 2021
"Pace, pace mio dio" Meine Liste der Göttinnen: Rosa Ponselle, Renata Tebaldi und Maria Callas! Netrebko? Ich weiß nicht was ich sagen soll! Nur eine kleine Frage von einem Laien: Ein guter Gesanglehrer (alte Schule) vorausgesetzt, wäre dann aus ihr was geworden!
Kaufmann is an amazing dramatic tenor, but in my mind, he lacks the subtlety of characterization and heroic voice of his great colleague, the distinguished Klaus Florian Vogt.
I have to correct your description! Kaufmann is not the greatest dramatic tenor ever! Vogt is! His voice is 1000x bigger and more masculine than Mario Del Monaco!!!
If this is the ROH recording of Netrebko, then it's worse than usual. She is so out of tune, it's untrue. I have three Forza recordings on LP. Callas/Serafin, Tebaldi/Molinari-Pradelli and a live recording with Tebaldi, Di Stefano, Guelfi, Neri and Barbieri from Florence in 1956 conducted by Santini. I love all three, but I find I listen most to the Molinari-Pradelli because the sextet of Tebaldi, MDM, Bastianini, Siepi, Simionato and Corena is nigh unbeatable. Thank you for this, anyway!!! It let's everyone hear what Leonora should really sound like!!!
Hahahahahah you're so right, SO OUT OF TUNE in that recording, the beginning is a dagger in the heart of Verdi. But.... we have to wait... perhaps she improves and the recording of Netrebko in this video is glorious!!
C dangereux .....car ...Tebaldi Callas St sur le plan émotionnel et présence largement le meilleures artistes....pour éduquer l oreille c 1 belle expérience
1- Tebaldi, здесь мне нравится больше. 2 - Callas, прекрасное, просто божественное звучание. Нетребко... 🤔 Анна - норм. сопрано, особенно для нынешнего современного уровня. Но сравнивать ее с оперными дивами XX в., да еще такими великими, как Тебальди и Каллас - это просто не имеет смысла. . сила, фразировка, дикция , контроль - абс. все не то, вообще школа пения сейчас - другая, худшая. По сути, это все равно, как сравнивать Кауфманна - с Юсси (Bjorling) , а совр. театральных и киноактёров из сериалов - с грандами типа Larry Olivier. Смешно и ни к чему. Нетребко довольно неплохо пела раньше, есть некоторые партии, в которых она звучит приятно, но по данному фрагменту - с партией Леоноры она не справляется. М., еще и запись плохая
Quando entra Maria entra Una Leonora disperata che penetra nel cuore. Per amor di carità lascio stare la Netrebko. Tebaldi è una Leonora ben cantata e monotona. La forza delle parole maledizione non appartiene alle altre due
Why do people still insist in comparing singers? What is the benefit? Please keep in mind that no matter what anyone says, personal taste (or lack thereof) will always be the benchmark for most dilettanti. In my humble opinion, Neterbko should have never been brought to this mix. She simply does not qualify, and this is not a matter of taste but a matter of singing and artistry. Personally, I only listen to Callas. She is my benchmark.
Anna, Calas e Renata, Divinas, não se pode comparar e muito menos fazer criticas sem saber o que está a criticar, atualmente quer se goste ou não a super Diva é Anna, há que saber apreciar o que há de melhor e não esperar que desapareca para endeusar o que infelizmente acontece.
Well, I was surprised by the out of tune spot and the other sopranos seem firmer and more direct in the music. I do find netrebkos color and eveness beautiful though. I do think her higher notes are prettier and freer than Callas and Tebaldi...
her sound is more hollow,with no density ,nasal,and sounds prettier bcs there is no pressure in her voice to project through, there are mic hidden everywhere.
Gran compaginación. Coincido con el sarcasmo. Netrebko al lado de Tebaldi y Callas sí que es una estudiante de conservatorio. Esta sobrevalorada soprano, que canta cualquier cosa, hasta se ha atrevido cantar Mackbet. Insólito
Sorry, but Euginia Burzio was much better than Callas and Tebaldi... Also it's certainly not one of the best Tebaldi's records of this aria, I prefer live record from La Scala, 1955. We have to admit that real belcanto had died even long before Callas... Callas and Tebaldi were great anyway.
none of them!! only Leontyne Price!! these very flexible pianissimi and this technique missa di voce! no one has gotten there yet! Tebaldi is terrible she has this technique she just screams!! this screaming no! she can't sing this passage! 4:25
Price's pisnissimi are not pianissimo, What Price does is her voice becomes narrow and more narrower when she goes high and Price top becomes a threadlike. Tebaldi is a singer never screams, she just became famous for being the first soprano who did not shrill on top because her voice did not loose quality, her timbre did not impoverish neither in the smorzaturas neither in the high notes in full voice.Tebaldi's high notes are never screamed but they have much impact , the voice was big , the high notes are big. Price's high notes have not impact, she has no power
I truly like this video, but the sarcastic description was AMAZING 🤣🤣🤣
Please God send Tebaldi and Callas back to earth
La Netrebko non azzecca una nota ed è ingolata...
E poi che dire, la Tebaldi e la Callas invece sono divine. 💘
I can only remember the great words from a pop diva: I DON'T KNOW HER
Would that pop diva be Mariah Carey?
Callas....each word is a gem!
Tebaldi and Callas come basically from the same school of singing, each with her own speciality. In their art there is much more that connects them than makes them rivals. Netrebko, and essentially everyone else singing today, comes from another vocal world entirely, one recently invented, the tone either ‘ingolata’ or nasal, out of control vibrato, and everything artificially pumped up with microphones.
Sono d'accordo con i giudizi letti, ho difficoltà a scegliere fra Tebaldi e Callas ma Maria trascina un pò più.
The REAL singers are out here, I promise. They just aren't getting cast in the big houses anymore (mostly). Check some of the smallest companies around, and they're surprisingly probably there.
the last MA-LE-DI-ZIO de Callas was amazing!!!
La Tebaldi in questo ruolo è insuperabile: la Tebaldi è la Tebaldi e non c'è storia. Un angelo che canta. Non amo sempre tutto di lei ma la sua Leonora è magistrale e la voce è preziosissima. Toscanini non sbagliò chiedendo:" chi è quella ragazza che canta come un angelo?"......
what a great job you did with this comparison!!! Thank you so much!
Callas is Queen!
In questo brano la Tebaldi è insuperabile
Non esistono paragoni o confronti possibili.
Tebaldi +Callas The-Best!
Tebaldi una voce portentosa Callas molto drammatica la Netrebko scompare...
How can anybody compare the exceedingly beautiful tones of Tebaldi, the drive and psychological study of a true musical genius like Callas with the inadequate, unstable, never properly placed or sustained voice of a musical pygmy like Netrebko? Preposterous.... however, very funny indeed!
Callas is #1 tebaldi is #2 and Anna I don't know her
No offense to anyone, Netrebko is a good soprano, but to compare her to artists that sang un-amplified, flat footed, with technique isn’t far. Callas brought true, trained drama with the voice, and Tebaldi has vocal color that can’t be compared. They both excelled in the Verdi repertoire, and their recordings speak for themselves.
You are so correct, Anna is the Absolute soprano of all time great nasal... no room for this in Verdi's glorious repertoire.
La Netrebko es una de las peores soprano, con una voz engolada para poder cantar papeles que por su tipo de voz no podría abordar y parece una cantante vetusta de los años 30 sin respeto al compositor, compararla con la Callas o con Tebaldi es una ofensa a estas dos ultimas grandes sopranos de todos los tiempos, Callas soprano absoluta y Tebaldi una spinto sin comparación. Viva la Callas.
La razón de poner a la Netrebko entre Tebaldi y Callas tiene mucha retranca, tal vez sea una forma de poner en relieve la distancia entre la primera, Netrebko, y las otras, Tebaldi y Callas.
В Италии певцы с великолепными голосами рождаются как футболисты в Бразилии. Отсюда высокомерное отношение и поверхностное знание исполнителей других стран . Даже легендарного Марио Ланца , которого великий Артуро Тосканини назвал лучшим голосом ХХ века рафинированные любители оперы не особо чтят. Судьба не дала ему шанса спеть оперу в Ла скала. Но у меня любовь к этому этому театру проросла на жемчужинах арий Марио. В России после долгого перерыва(Тамара Милашкина) появилась истинное сопрано. Образцова, Архипова, Вишневская - все они меццо-сопрано. Даже Скотто, Френи- не уровень Каллас и Тебальди. Карузо от рождения не был тенором, Джильи - баритональный тенор, Паваротти над своим голосом работал 7 лет. А разве Бергонци, Гедда, Бьерлинг - это Карелли, Ди Стефано, Дель Монако?. У каждого свои пристрастия. Единственное с чем я согласен, с божественными Тебальди и Каллас сравнивать некого.
Тебе спасибо дивная Италия.
За дар богов, за эти голоса.
Что будут вечно петь на небосклоне.
Там будет жить моя душа
@@user-fm5bt8yz3o спасибо за ваши слова
Netrebko impossible... than Tebaldi, beautiful sounds in the middle of the voice, and then Callas comes in and we all wake up, we are forced to hear, to understand, ... she brings the world of color, of dynamics, of an interpretation full of imagination and depth..
I remember a funny interview where Anna was talking about this Forza and its difficulties, and her words were: " Oh, If you have a good technique, Verdi can restore you". Well... no coments.
And she also said something that is so much high IQ: " the more I am singing this opera, the more I fell in love with it..." I think what she really meant is that she did not like to sing it but the "artistic" director assigned her here. How silly!
From which year is the recording of Anna Netrebko? Personally, I used to like her voice very much, but it has simply developed very negatively in the last 15 years.
The lady has been forcing her voice into spinto and dramatic repertoire, which is TOTALLY wrong for her. She's "really" a light lyric.
Agreed, she sounds overly dark and woofy
@@pedrohasallthepower Certainly the most overrated singer of our time. It's a shame that the opera houses only saw a reason to fire her because of the Ukraine war.
Ей навязывают репертуар,она не свободна в выборе..тем более объяснила,что голос сел у неё после рождения ребёнка,не могла восстановить прежний.и перешла на драм репертуар
@@indeserto но прежний голос она не восстановит,подхимичила сильно голос..всех убеждает,что гормонально изменился голос после рождения ребёнка
I love how you didn't have to say ******** sucks to prove that the old school singers' superiority
La Netrebko fra due giganti della lirica? Vergogna.
Read the description, Marisa! :)
Maria every time.
Она хватает моё сердце всегда, сжимает..ком в горле
Tebaldi the best singing this roles, Callas was good too...Netrebeko? who is that?
Na storta figa....
She is Placido Domingo's favorite pet.
La bellezza é veramente relativa .... Un buon soprano nella media di oggi , la Netrebko , che da sola può essere considerata anche piacevole se paragonata a due soprano a lei superiori sotto ogni aspetto , vocale tecnico ed interpretativo ecco che fa la figura di una mediocre studentessa..... E lo dico senza nessun intento di insultare i sacrifici e le rinuncie di ognuno,( anche per essere solo un soprano medio i sacrifici sono comunque tantissimi ) credo che nessun soprano, tenore, basso, baritono , contralto o mezzosoprano di oggi possa essere confrontato con gli artisti di 70 anni fa ! era tutto diverso , società diverse e uomini diversi ,anche il modo in cui una diva o divo dovevano comportarsi sulla scena era completamente legato ai dettami di una società più bacchettona ad esempio ....le voci poi si sono rimpicciolite per molti versi e quindi anche una voce che una volta sarebbe stata scelta per fare l' elisir, oggi fa anche i grossi personaggi verdiani .... totalmente cambiato in meglio e anche in peggio.... Prendo atto.
Любимым певцам Ла скала
Этот голос пламя из костра.
Это мощь бурлящих водопадов.
Теплый луч встающего утра.
Золото сверкающих закатов
Такой восторг исходит из груди
Душа страдает тихо плачет
Ведь Марио поет не только о любви. Но и о наших бедах и печалях.
Божественная Каллас по сердцу скребёт. Любимая Тебальди как бриллиант сверкает. Ди Стефано красиво напевает. Корелли Тоской за душу берет.
Френи в Богеме слух ласкает.
Дель Монако в Паяцах так рыдает, а Кабалье так душу рвет. Что хочется все это слушать, ночи напролет.
Тебе спасибо дивная Италия.
За дар богов, за эти голоса
Что будут вечно петь на небосклоне. Там будет жить моя душа
Callas The supreme voice of all Time.....
I will say, if we want to bring back the old teaching we have to put our childish attitudes aside or we risk sounding like the modernists. Ponselle, Tebaldi, and Callas were all Amazing who had both pros and cons but we MUST learn from all 3(and more) if we are to accomplish such a task😁✨
Thank you for this video!
Callas above all! Tebalti also nice ... Netrebko no comment who is she?..
Qué hace Netrebko aquí?
Pocas palabras que resumen toda la verdad
Tebaldi is terrible!
Callas is the MOST UNDERRATED Leonora ever.
Couldn't agree more.. they have written so much about this role not suiting her!!! Imagine... they thought "one color, robust-in-the-middle" voices could be the only ones to sing it.. so much nonsense!.. Callas gives this score so many detail that the others never did... she confesses what Leonora wants, what she fears and what she suffered like no other...
@@Lorenzo-be1nm I’m a huge fan of Tebaldi but I have to say that Callas has more nuances. Unfortunately Callas’ only full opera recording of La forza is in studio...
The one thing I do appreciate about Netrebko is that she does the original written ending, unlike Tebaldi and Callas who adds an extra Maledizone before the high B flat
Yes! Musically, that ending is beautiful, I wonder if some old school singer has sung it like that.
@@Oldschoolsingers Eleanor Steber did, and its rly nice the live version here on youtube.
@@Tdvc I love her !!!!!!
Yes indeed I felt she redeemed herself beautifully
@@Oldschoolsingers eleanor steber, eileen farrell did that.
Netrebko hating channel??? Mmm, very clever and noble.Admin, take care of yourself!
It is not the Netrebko hating channel. They don't hate today's singers. They think that today's singers have amazing potential if they developed great technical habits and expressed emotions out loud rather than more quietly. Rather, they are just pointing out the many times they demonstrate bad technique.
Not in the least, she's just NO DAMNED GOOD, period.
TEBALDI is love.. CALLAS is action .. Netrebko today's voices without love nor action.
Callas touches my heart and wakes me up and makes me cry no other voice does that for me
it is not the beauty of the voice (beauty can be so yawning boring) because you can be divided about this. But and this is often overlooked, the handling of the text (opera is also: drama with music) its meaning, if a every word is given a character through timbre and coloring in order to express what is intended - as in spoken theater, where sentences are modulated and thus their drama, their effect. There were only 3 people among the opera singers (Lieder is a special category to be dealt with): Caruso, Ruffo, Callas, who did this in an exemplary manner. Often, what is completely okay, is only listened to, the tone,the pitch, is right; and the words and their exact pronunciation are then, at best, secondary.
This can only be understood by those who have mastered the sung language and who are also interested in the plot and not indulge in the melodies alone.
Virginia Zeani is another soprano whose characterful singing is invigorated by crystal clear diction and the meaningful use of vocal colour. Not having heard Netrebko live, as I did with Zeani and many of that generation, I am left with the impression of a seemingly decent but dull sort of voice which has no story to tell.
You forgot Chaliapin, Rosvaenge, Granforte, Ponselle, Muzio and Bruna Rasa.
@@BaroneVitellioScarpia1 e Bastianini
Why do people have such a problem Netrebko?? It's like she personally cursed their mothers or sth
Not in the least, she's just crap.
It is the same with Domingo. They 'seduce' their audience through techniques other than good singing, and they never seem to retire.
La Versión de netrebko suena bajo, debes normalizar el volumen, sin embargo no hay comparación, Callas y Tebaldi son sopranos casi dramáticas, Anna netrebko es Lírica
Я например контральто.и заметила как безобразно голос ушёл у Анны вниз что даже я вздрогнула -да ты,дорогая,баритоном хочешь стать?
@@user-ry9zf5fp4v Igualmente agradezco a Netrebko ya que por ella conocí la ópera, luego conocí a Callas, Tebaldi, Caballé, Fleming, Angela gheorghiu, entre otras 😊
«Slimming the voice» is not healthy. The voice must be properly released to reach those high notes. If we «slim» the voice, all we do is to constrict the voice to hard higher notes and we lose both timbre and debth, which are the most essencial parts of classical singing/opera!
Bravissima Tebaldi! Bravo Maria Callas! Netrebko, you have still alot to learn… Maybe you would be better as Queen of the night?
Tebaldi, solo e sempre Tebaldi.
Galina Vishnevskaya
Netrebko very unstable and painful to listen to. Tebaldi classic solid sound. Callas amazing depth and focus.
I UNDERSTAND.......BUT THE REALISATION INSPIRES ME TO CELEBRATE THE CURRENT RICHES BY FINDING THE NEAREST 10 STOREY BUILDING AND....JUMPING OFF IT!
Renata Tebaldi suprema Diva
María Callas sucesora de Renata.
Anna Netrebko única y la voz más popular de la actualidad. Con una potencia solo de ella.
Mi gran amor platónico.
Desde Costa Rica 09/01/ 2021
Callas, Tebaldi and who?
La Tebaldi un angelo, mentre la Callas è Leonora in persona
"Pace, pace mio dio" Meine Liste der Göttinnen: Rosa Ponselle, Renata Tebaldi und Maria Callas! Netrebko? Ich weiß nicht was ich sagen soll! Nur eine kleine Frage von einem Laien: Ein guter Gesanglehrer (alte Schule) vorausgesetzt, wäre dann aus ihr was geworden!
Zinka milanov
Kaufmann is an amazing dramatic tenor, but in my mind, he lacks the subtlety of characterization and heroic voice of his great colleague, the distinguished Klaus Florian Vogt.
@Noack Somewhere I was being sarcastic but ok.
@Noack Somewhere I hoped the extremely subjective and over-the-top worlds I used would give it away, but I guess not.
Lol netrebko cant even maintain her pitch
I have to correct your description! Kaufmann is not the greatest dramatic tenor ever! Vogt is! His voice is 1000x bigger and more masculine than Mario Del Monaco!!!
Sis i-🤣
Damn! I forget that beast of tenor
Kaufmann = Wagnerian orchestra
3 Kaufmann = Vogt
@@Oldschoolsingers 1 Vogt = 1000 Del Monaco!
2 Bocelli = 1 Vogt = 100 Pavarotti and 100 Di stefano
@@Oldschoolsingers Exactly! Vogt is the best ever!
J, M & J at 3:16 she's even caring for the partitura? Where's the _con passione_
Anna wins this one hands down.
I trust you are joking ...
If this is the ROH recording of Netrebko, then it's worse than usual. She is so out of tune, it's untrue. I have three Forza recordings on LP. Callas/Serafin, Tebaldi/Molinari-Pradelli and a live recording with Tebaldi, Di Stefano, Guelfi, Neri and Barbieri from Florence in 1956 conducted by Santini. I love all three, but I find I listen most to the Molinari-Pradelli because the sextet of Tebaldi, MDM, Bastianini, Siepi, Simionato and Corena is nigh unbeatable. Thank you for this, anyway!!! It let's everyone hear what Leonora should really sound like!!!
Hahahahahah you're so right, SO OUT OF TUNE in that recording, the beginning is a dagger in the heart of Verdi.
But.... we have to wait... perhaps she improves and the recording of Netrebko in this video is glorious!!
@@Oldschoolsingers Can't wait for Saioa Hernandez to sing more Verdi, especially Forza, and put Netrebko to shame!!!
@@xxsaruman82xx87 N ruined Verdi, then move on to ruin Tosca, what's her next move? Send her to Mars, asap. Enough is enough!
C dangereux .....car ...Tebaldi Callas St sur le plan émotionnel et présence largement le meilleures artistes....pour éduquer l oreille c 1 belle expérience
@@user-py1jg6bb2r Oh and Netrebko sang Turandot earlier this year 🙈🙈🙈
1- Tebaldi, здесь мне нравится больше.
2 - Callas, прекрасное, просто божественное звучание.
Нетребко... 🤔
Анна - норм. сопрано, особенно для нынешнего современного уровня.
Но сравнивать ее с оперными дивами XX в., да еще такими великими, как Тебальди и Каллас - это просто не имеет смысла. . сила, фразировка, дикция , контроль - абс. все не то, вообще школа пения сейчас - другая, худшая.
По сути, это все равно, как сравнивать Кауфманна - с Юсси (Bjorling) , а совр. театральных и киноактёров из сериалов - с грандами типа Larry Olivier.
Смешно и ни к чему.
Нетребко довольно неплохо пела раньше, есть некоторые партии, в которых она звучит приятно, но по данному фрагменту - с партией Леоноры она не справляется.
М., еще и запись плохая
Quando entra Maria entra Una Leonora disperata che penetra nel cuore. Per amor di carità lascio stare la Netrebko. Tebaldi è una Leonora ben cantata e monotona. La forza delle parole maledizione non appartiene alle altre due
La Netrebko lo engola todo, pero es bueno hacer esto, para que se vea, la mediocridad de la ópera hoy.
Netrebko herself is a joke...
no business with Verdi's
@Pimp The Human True, maybe Broadway only, if auditioned in.
5:45 this is a very "ugly tone" without sarcasm though
Always old school or new school. There's no new school, there's know how to sing or not. And today all is crap. Sorry to be rude.
Why do people still insist in comparing singers? What is the benefit? Please keep in mind that no matter what anyone says, personal taste (or lack thereof) will always be the benchmark for most dilettanti. In my humble opinion, Neterbko should have never been brought to this mix. She simply does not qualify, and this is not a matter of taste but a matter of singing and artistry. Personally, I only listen to Callas. She is my benchmark.
You know that, I know that, so why doesn't the management of the Met (etc.) know that? Let alone the "public".
Anna, Calas e Renata, Divinas, não se pode comparar e muito menos fazer criticas sem saber o que está a criticar, atualmente quer se goste ou não a super Diva é Anna, há que saber apreciar o que há de melhor e não esperar que desapareca para endeusar o que infelizmente acontece.
Well, I was surprised by the out of tune spot and the other sopranos seem firmer and more direct in the music. I do find netrebkos color and eveness beautiful though. I do think her higher notes are prettier and freer than Callas and Tebaldi...
her sound is more hollow,with no density ,nasal,and sounds prettier bcs there is no pressure in her voice to project through, there are mic hidden everywhere.
In this aria "pretty" is hardly appropriate. The last word is "curse".
Gran compaginación. Coincido con el sarcasmo. Netrebko al lado de Tebaldi y Callas sí que es una estudiante de conservatorio. Esta sobrevalorada soprano, que canta cualquier cosa, hasta se ha atrevido cantar Mackbet. Insólito
Sorry, but Euginia Burzio was much better than Callas and Tebaldi... Also it's certainly not one of the best Tebaldi's records of this aria, I prefer live record from La Scala, 1955. We have to admit that real belcanto had died even long before Callas... Callas and Tebaldi were great anyway.
Ugh. Netrebko is just so bad. How she ever came to sing this is a complete mystery to me.
none of them!! only Leontyne Price!! these very flexible pianissimi and this technique missa di voce! no one has gotten there yet! Tebaldi is terrible she has this technique she just screams!! this screaming no! she can't sing this passage! 4:25
@omarsomehow69Price is Coloratur???🤦♂️🤣
Price's pisnissimi are not pianissimo, What Price does is her voice becomes narrow and more narrower when she goes high and Price top becomes a threadlike. Tebaldi is a singer never screams, she just became famous for being the first soprano who did not shrill on top because her voice did not loose quality, her timbre did not impoverish neither in the smorzaturas neither in the high notes in full voice.Tebaldi's high notes are never screamed but they have much impact , the voice was big , the high notes are big. Price's high notes have not impact, she has no power