2023 Cadillac CT4-V Blackwing Quick Review (+ Lap Time)
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- čas přidán 4. 08. 2023
- The Cadillac CT4-V Blackwing ($73,730 starting in Canada, $62,890 starting in the US) is a 472 horsepower performance sedan with a 3.6 L twin turbo V6 engine and optional 6 speed manual transmission. The CT4-V aims to blend performance with luxury comforts, offering features such as magnetic ride control, Brembo brakes, hands-free Super Cruise and many tech-based safety features. How does the baby Blackwing compare to the stiff competition in the sport sedan category? And how does it perform as a fun daily driver? Thomas and James are excited to find out! We hope you enjoy the episode. SUBSCRIBE!
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James getting scared while Thomas drifting through the corners is too funny to me LMAO
Yeah. Thr thr thr.
😂😂😂😂
"It's not necessary, IT'S NOT NECESSARY!" to end the video...priceless.
Not necessary, this is not necessary!!!
😂
Seems like it’s a perfect balance of luxury and American muscle. I actually like the simplicity of the interior and the sleeper like exterior.
Wish it had American LS instead of V-6 twin turbo. I drove the car for couple of days and while engine is alright, it was biggest disappointment of the car. Weight and size penalty of LS actually doesn't exist
@racesuey the LT1 is 42lbs lighter and has a better overall powerband despite 12hp less
@@saltyfloridaman7163 exactly, only reason why 3.6TT exists is prob because they wanted to sell ATS-V in Europe or something? Idk
@@racesuey No it exist because Cadillac first created the CTS V-Sport with the LF3. The goal was the create that in between the regular CTS and the full on V to compete with the M lite, S (instead of RS) Audi, and the AMG lite cars. Then, Cadillac took the LF3 and tweaked it some internally with better turbos to create the LF4 for the ATS-V and now the CT4-V. The LF3 died off with the 2019 CTS V-Sport.
@@saltyfloridaman7163 One huge advantage is of course the tuneability. $700 and my stock (axle back exhaust ) 420 HP LF3 made 450 WHP. Running E40 and I'm up another 70 WHP.
I agree with all of this. I traded my A90 Supra in for an orange 4-Blackwing with a stick. Zero regrets. Absolutely fabulous car
The Supra is good, but it sucks to live with. Forever smacking your head getting in and out, the BMW-ness of everything and the fake vents are borderline unforgiveable. You made the right choice.
great choice.
@@TML34I was looking at the CT4 Blackwing before I bought my manual Supra, and I'm happy with the choice. with how light-footed I am, if I was daily driving a fast car I'd probably lose my license in no time. thanks to Supra not being a daily drivable car I don't have to worry lol
Congrats! Seems like a fantastic choice!
@@TML34you must be 6'5
As an ATS owner, it makes me so happy to see its successor getting such high praises. The ATS/ct4 are criminally underrated for what they offer
American cars don't get credit on
The big stages. Honestly
@@WindyCity1992They sorta do? Right now they are on a roll. I don’t care if sales show it or not, but America is gonna have the best final non hybridized ICE cars ever made.
No, it's bad. Please, no one wants a manual ats v. In fact, If you have one, I will buy it from you to help you out.
Okay, great. Thanks.
@@ayushmalpeddi2793
Good point my friend
Everytime a new car is track tested and put onto the list, I keep balking at the fact that the SS 1LE is way higher than it has any right to be. It's so damn impressive if you look at the cars that are around it. GM kills it with their performance cars. But also, GM kills their performance cars. RIP Camaro
So true! GM ALWAYS kills its performance cars when it gets them right (except the Vette). The list endlsse
So true, RIP Holden Commodore V8's..... in fact RIP Holden (a GM product)
Your last two sentences made me lol
@ maximus9401,
I completely agree!
I’m going to say it:
It might be the greatest handling muscle/pony car EVER!
I mean, what comparable muscle car will beat it around the track AT A 45k price point?
👍
Haha thats a big reason a manual 2SS 1le is my dream car. It has insanely high skidpad/cornering grip, fantastic chassis engineering & performance, and its a true drivers car. But I love that they actually went through it, even adding diff & trans coolers (along w/ all the other upgrades) to make it a serious track ready car. Not just an appearance package. But no matter which track it is, the SS & Zl1 1le's always punch far above their price. At Laguna Seca, the stick, 455hp, 3750lb SS 1le is faster than a 730hp, DCT, 3500lb Ferrari F12.. along with many other $150k+ supercars. 🤘 🇺🇸
The best praise you could ever give for this far, Thomas trading in the M2.
Sold my 2020 M2 competition for my CT4 Blackwing. Could not be happier.
I'm thinking of buying either one. I've owned an M2 LCI and really enjoyed that, but what do you prefer from the CT4?
@@masterkendro if I'm honest, basically everything except the engine, and even that's comparing a 10/10 to a 9.5/10.
That, and the M2 is better looking. But it's one of the best looking cars ever, so that's hard to beat.
But yeah! the shifter, the clutch, the brakes, the steering - it's all better in the Cadillac, imo. Visibility is better, customizability & ergonomics are better, sound system is ~ the same.
For me, I also needed a car that could do Family Duties somewhat easily, and the CT4-V Blackwing is *that* car.
The Caddy is 95% of the fun of the m2, with so much more practicality. Also, no top speed limiter other than the gearing 😈
@ollyvoxx I appreciate the response! I'm shopping for something in this price range, and it's such a tough decision. I'm hoping to get behind the wheel of the CT4 soon, enjoy the car man, and be safe out there.
@@masterkendro no prob! But yeah - 8f you're in this price range and want a RWD 4 door with a manual, this is THE car to get.
If the manual isn't as important to you, then there are *POTENTIALLY* better options, I think.
@@ollyvoxxWhat other options for auto?
What a timeline when a Caddy has better steering and shift feel than a bimmer. But yeah I agree.
bmw really let themselves go
@@papa_pt And/Or Cadillac stepped their game up.
I've been waiting for this review for 2 years. Makes me even more proud to own one!
The platform 9 3/4 joke was hilarious 😂
Kinda miss the old days when extrathrottlehouse videos would just end mid sente-
It’s a great car and really engaging. Not to mention in that Cadillac sends you to spring mountain motor park to learn how to drive it like an idiot (on the track). The built in no-lift-shift and launch control are tons of fun. It’s not an M car but it’s very much it’s own thing and a blast at that.
GM sends you there for free just for buying one!?
@@SuzukiKid400 For buyers of a new Blackwing, you can attend the spring mountain v academy for a 2 day track experience within your 1st year of ownership. You pay to fly out, they pay for meals, accommodation and the the track time/instruction. Great experience and you get matched up to the same type of car you purchased, ie if you bought a manual 5V Blackwing, that’s what you’ll be driving on the track.
Can’t wait to go!
@@markmcg8912 just remember as you are about to go on track, you have to say (in a Thomas whisper) “Blackwing” and then mash the throttle.
It’s not an M car and that’s a good think. It’s better than any modern M car IMO if you want the ultimate driving dynamics and engagement. Especially with the manual models.
That V6 sounds really good!
It's not bad for a V6! I have the LF3 (this is the LF4) with axle back Corsa setup and outside of a little meh below 3k RPM, it sounds great. I think I have a video of it if you go to my page here.
I was driving on West side highway in NYC at night where you could see the New Jersey by the water and this thing came as fast as it could and just cut through traffic, made several lane changes and vanished in the night by the moon. I love that memory!! Also it crackles and burbles so good and unlike BMW, it sounds authentic! :)
My ct4 blackwing just put down ~590whp, a bit more than a stock ct5bw. Traction is a thing of the past in 1st and 2nd. It's an absolute treat.
Great numbers! I am thinking about getting mine tuned. Who did the work?
Than…… TapOut?
You can't go wrong with either
For some strange reason, the tuner you used is coming thru on the comments. Can you please resubmit the name of the tuner you used- thanks !!
@@markmcg8912 justin Schmidt. schmidty tuning is his website. You still have to send in your ECM to get unlock, the MPVI3 and the credits. That's the expensive part
A better driving machine than the ultimate driving machine 😂
i live for thomas’ quiet “blackwing”
Wonderful, wonderful car. If I was looking for a sport sedan, this would be it hands down.
As a current Alfa Romeo Giulia Quadrifoglio owner, I'm really curious how the QV and the CT4V Blackwing compare. Would love to see a comparison video! Thanks
How’s the reliability of the Giulia?
You'll certainly lose some flair, uniqueness, and sexiness but you'll gain a better driver's car.
@@CaptainFordo21I own a Giulia QV (‘19) as well. Never had any issues with reliability. Only issue at all is the front motorized splitter sometimes throws an error, but to be fair I’ve bumped it a few times.
I have driven both and personally enjoy the blackwing much more
I've driven both. Alfa Quad has more characterful engine/exhaust and that sweet sharp steering ratio and reasonably good chassis to support it. That being said, CT4-V's chassis was just touch better, both ride and stability while having decent turn in. You also get actual brake feel and modulation. Also you get better steering feel.
Imo, CT4-V BW is much better car and while Quad QV is much more characterful, quality of driving in CT4-V BW is so much better as you apporach limit.
Such a shame we don't get these in the UK, I think they would sell really well and keep the German brands looking over there shoulders. Especially now with BMWs recent form and AMGs C63 suicide, the caddy could come along and shake things up a bit.
It's a good physical size for the European market as well.
Regulations will never let it travel across the pond.
@@nitesh-maharaj And badge snobbery would see that it never disrupts the sector even if it could.
Realistically it would sell really badly - why? It's an American car and especially Europeans (I'm one myself) are brand snobs - the car is being disqualified for 95% of all potential buyers just right away because of its country of origin and the brand.
@@DodgeChallenger426 I don't think most Europeans understand how much American cars have improved in the last 5-10 years.
Just as an fyi, it turned yellow because you hit the auto rev match button by accident. Also you can change traction with the clicker on the steering wheel - don’t have to open settings :)
Both Blackwing models would benefit immensely from Cup 2 rubber and magnesium alloy wheels that Cadillac had as prototype options for them
They're supposed to be daily drivers, though. The Cup 2 is not a daily driver tire (especially in the rain).
@@MattNukem Could still be sold as an option - BMW M, AMG and Audi RS do it as well.
GOD, can you imagine? And carbon fiber bodywork to boot? :P
@MattNukem they're track focused sports sedans, a ZR1 is a daily driver if you want it to be. It's a fact the PS4S tire isn't up to par for the car's power. I own a CT5-V Blackwing with a 10 speed and the Cup 2 tires I bought transformed it. I can brake later, accelerate sooner, and hold corners better. An alternate option would be to give it the OEM widebody treatment with 3in wider fenders kinda in the same style as the Corvette Stingray vs Z06. Subtle yet muscular curves that go with the car design. That way you could fit 285w front tires and 335w rears like the Corvette.
Picked mine up last weekend. Traded an F80 M3. Great car.
You have good taste in cars both of those are tuff
good choice. how's the interior space compared to F80?
@@johnyeah183 back seat is definitely smaller. But useable for sure. For kids anyways.
Congrats on your new purchase. I have recently bought one too. 6 spd manual. It’s such a good car!
@@markmcg8912 thank you and congrats to you also! Mine is 6 speed too. They really are surprisingly good.
Been waiting for you guys to review this car for 2 years. Finally!
Man GM has just completely taken over. Of course you have the new Z06, both the CT5 and CT4 Blackwings, the ZL1 1LE, and SS 1LE, are all literally like the best performance cars per dollar on sale today. I would say the SS1LE is probably the best "bang for your buck", but all vehicles are UNREAL
But the Camaro is no more and this Cadillac probably won't end up selling that well
@nathanaelcole8466 GM has done this before with the Camaro. Say they are ending production, simply to boost sales. And it has worked every time, including this time. Camaro sales for this quarter has dramatically improved. Alot of the sales issues with these specially made GM vehicles, is due to HORENDOUS marketing by GM. Unless you are a true enthusiast, the avg Joe is not aware of all the fantastic vehicles that GM produces in reality.
All GM had to do is drop the lt2 engine from the C8 into the camaro ss and call it a 7th gen. No need for extra but instead they pulled the plug.
@@GERONIMO326 99% of cars are eco on the road. Don't expect niche cars to sell like economy daily's
@@al151 Yooo LT2 for SS and up. Eray hybrid LT2 or the NA LT6 option for ZL1 and ZL1 1LE
I have a 22 CT4 Blackwing and I have been waiting ages to see what Thomas had to say about it. Glad you lost the footage and got to live it twice 😂
I ended up getting one due to this review. Hands down the best car I’ve ever owned.
Yellow gear number means rev match is activated. In case anyone was wondering 😏
I havent even watched the video yet, but the Blackwing in that light blue is my dream car. Strangely enough, when the original CTS-V came out, it was also my dream car. Cadillac is perfecting this concept!!
EDIT: I thought this was the CT5 edition. Regardless, great review!
High praise from an unashamed Beemer fan boy!!
The LF4/3 engine is very underrated as a tuneable platform. I daily a v-sport and light mods really wake it up
The ct4v black wing def competes with the m3 just as the ats v did against the f80. In fact I drove both and decided to get the ata v back against the f80. It handled better and sounded better. The new m3 rwd manual Va ct4 v black wing is a fair comparison even when modding and I’d still choose it over the g series. The driving dynamic is just very different and feels more engaging in the caddy. Yes the interior is nicer on the BMW but it’s also around 20k more when optioned out. For 65-70k it’s one helluva car and once tuned it’s a beast as is the m3.
Who knew Caddy would make the best sports super sedans in the world when the ICE super sedans are disappearing. They will be remembered in history.
i have loved every second of my CT4V Blackwing with 6MT. Would buy it again 10 times out of 10.
Quality reviews as always guys. Thank You.
Thanks for producing this great video. High praise when Thomas says he might pick one up. They drive a lot of cars -
James and Thomas, in the same way I "fell in love with Top Gear" in 2004/2005, I just think you both have recreated, for we viewers, that same sort of magic...which is as high a praise I can offer. Your chemistry chemistry chemistry, just chemistry between you both is just so enjoyable. I feel as if I am riding along with you. Add to this the production values - AMAZING !!!
Everyone that reviews either Blackwng always smiles and giggles.
Thomas doing his iconic black wing whisper is the greatest thing about this thanks bud
Loved that Thomas was sliding about with James in the car. Marvelous.
My updated dream garage:
1. 2018 Camaro SS1LE (Manual)
2. 2023 Cadillac CT4-V (Manual)
3. 2023 C8 Z06
4. 2012 Audi R8 (Stasis Extreme Package)
LF4 will go down as a classic when it's all said and done
Mine picked up ~215whp from downpipes, air filters and a tune. not to shabby.
I hear a few grumbles that it is not as bulletproof as the BMW inline 6.
@@shiftdowntv4511dang what boost is it at now?
@@anooppillai4683other issue is it doesn't have too much character compared to the S58 or alfa GQ V6
Chassis, feedback and handling are better though
@@papa_pt 22-23psi on the dyno. It might be a touch more on the street under real load but the stock gauge only goes to 20 🤣
One of the most appealing lines you said: "It has old BMW vibes".
Yes. That's the ultimate compliment.
I love these guys and glad they reviewed the car I love so much!
I love that the CT4v blackwing exists! I would get one if I could afford one!
That’s a huge statement Thomas! I really hope you get this!
A great blend of form and function, muscle and luxury, sophistication yet playfulness. Oh…and the Cadillac aswell.
I owned the previous version. This cars a beast! I believe the engine by itself is $43 K U.S. when you punch it at 120 MPH it feels like it is just just getting started. At 150 MPH it downshifts and climbs.
bought one of these after owning a c7 with the track pack for 3 years and its every bit as good!
traded my 2018 M2 for one of these with a manual, absolutely love it
I've been waiting 2 years for this video!!!
Amazing content/review!
We've seen seconds shaved off times with better tires before. This car with the carbon fiber pack and actual track tires would jump up that list significantly. Easily ahead of the RS3 lol. That's nuts.
I love that James is terrified of Thomas's driving 😆
I wish you guys could make an SS 1LE manual vs CT4V Blackwing manual video so badly. Just as overall cars. Nobody has done that even with them both being so closely related. Especially a well kitted Blackwing.
Thank you for posting this now, I’m winning one of these at the end of the month.
C'mon why not make a regular review of the ct4 blackwing
Love this car. I got a 2022 with 19k miles fully loaded interior in blaze orange, bucket seats, and no sunroof for extra head room. Got it for $55k. Hopefully it runs me awhile, i was too impatient on waiting for a new one. Its also a 6 speed!!
I drove the auto Blackwing and it's fantastic
That was well done, you guys do a great job! Cadillac V-Club now has our 1st Canadian Local Chapter, the Toronto Chapter, and we are looking for more Cadillac V-Series owners up in Canada so we can launch Local Chapters in Montreal, Vancouver, Calgary & Ottawa!
0:52 cadillac accounting having some fun with canada with that price😆
Love this guys!! Question…would you purchase this or new integra type s?!?
Looking forward to hear a comparison between the CT5 Blackwing vs RS5. Amazing video, guys!
Why would you want that? Audi's are hella dull.
The LF4 motor is a beast in its own right. Look at tapout tuning and what they csn do with the ATS-V and the now CT4-V
Man i love caddys
James hates being driven faste and drifted with as a passenger, lol awe. I hope he's oka. Such a gem
That's one of the best sounding v6 engines I've ever heard. Really wish we had it in the EU
I realized there are no Mclaren videos in Throttle house. They have the repution of being the best sports cars in production and I would really want to know how it does on the throttle house track.
Somehow I missed this review but glad that I found it now. I remember thinking if you guys ever reviewed this car after doing ct5, and even asking on the comments. Now we know the reason… lol
Good lookin car. Like it infinitely better than anything comparable pricewise from Germany for sure. Probably way cheaper to own over time too. Also i love the way a good V6 sounds. Also drift taxi always in these vids plz
Watching them drive together is hilarious - hold on James 😆
I’ve got a ‘17 ATS-V and I can attest to waiting a year or two and letting depreciation hit. Bought in early ‘20 for about $26K less than sticker. Just an amazing bargain for such a great car. Also, no one believes you have a manual Cadillac lol.
FUN!
"It is not necessary" should be a hallmark of all good videos.
I had the opportunity to drive one of these really optioned out, curious on your opinion on the manual transmission and the assists it gives you, for example the rewatching and anti stall
I've not been a GM fan in awhile, but I kind of want one of these.
I’ve been wanting one of these the first time I saw “Ray Donovan” driving it.
I drove the old CTS-V back-to-back with the CT6 and the ATS-V on a track, and although the CTS-V was incredibly fast in a straight line, the ATS-V was so much more playful and fun in the corners, it was no contest in which one I'd go back for another lap. I do remember noting a distinct lack of front tire grip, leading me to wish for more front tire, as the push came long before the chassis' limits. I can only imagine the lap time this CT4-V Blackwing would have put down with some stickier track tires like the RS3 and M2 that placed above it.
Completely agree. And have to wonder if GM went with SS 1LE wheel size and GY SC3 tires how close in performance (read road course lap times) the ATS-V/CT4V BW would be to CTS-V/CT5V BW.
yes James, it is necessary.
would love to see the time with better tires. I wonder how much more you could squeeze out of this
To answer the question from the video, the gear number turns yellow when you have active rev matching on and it’s white when rev matching is off.
It’s not an M2… it seems wayyyyy better
Given Cadillac has committed to F1 in 2028(fingers crossed) one would think their performance cars will be around for awhile. Hopefully they continue to follow through
I think you should redo a lap time for the M2 Competition. I feel like Thomas would get a better time than 1:13.53 now... However, that CT4-V Blackwing seems like a really great car in that segment!
Love the orange color
The first throttle house review that I didn’t like. So many backhanded compliments. Plus, You say it’s overpriced then go on to praise it for the rest of the video all the while putting down great numbers at the track.
You said Chassis and Steering, but you did forget the other reasons. Suspension and amazing manual transmission. Maybe losing the footage was a blessing in disguise.
The Holden Commodore lives on.
Believe it or not these engines can put out A LOT of power
ITS NECESSARY!
I sold my 2022 M3 base after a year cause the clutch was so mute. After driving a c7 for so long with a great tremac 7 speed manual, the M3's old ZF gearbox and clutch was just terrible and filled me with regret every time I drove it. I would have loved it ha I gotten the comp with the ZF 8 speed auto.
I tried to find a CT4 blackwing to drive recently but dealers are still marking them way up. I ended up buying an IS500 and I adore it, but would have loved to compare it to the CT4.
GM makes great engines! Who knew? The clue is in the name. The SGE of the last 15 years is possibly one of the greatest engines ever.
so nice that you got the spiderman guy to do the hot lap !
Couldn't agree more. We picked one up a few months ago and its just getting better and better with familiarity. Ill be blunt, its more fun, more comfortable and more generally rewarding than the m cars ive driven. Screw the money diff, this car is an awesome camaro based counterpoint to the german sport sedans.
Also, its about time that someone challenged amg's stranglehold on the american(vibe) luxurymusclecar niche. These are a much better rep for us than the ats/cts were.
I now have 1400 miles on mine and I enjoy it more, each time I drive it!
We love you.
Very cool car! Wish you guys would do a lap time with a new G70 3.3T.. love to see how it does.
Loving ‘Quiff Cam’
I love a comparison between this and the Gulia Quadrifoglio.
The gear indicator is yellow to indicate that Auto Rev match is ON
I always think of Darkwing Duck when I hear of this car!
and spiderman every time I see his name on his helmet lol
LOL darkwing duck was awesome
This is the car to get… perfect dad car