Private Schools: A Public Disaster?
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- čas přidán 1. 06. 2024
- The British education system is world-renowned for its private schools, think Eton or Westminster, which have educated many of the country’s political and professional leaders. Yet only seven percent of students nationally are educated at schools like these. But the state versus private divide can have long term impacts and play a role in what opportunities are on offer.
Joining us is Tim Lott a novelist and journalist; Helen Ross, a special needs teacher; Harry Mount, editor of The Oldie and Mike Buchanan Executive Director of HMC a professional association of heads of the world’s leading independent schools.
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The state secondary schools where I live are all underperforming. I went to one myself and had a terrible experience. It's not just the poor academic results but bad behaviour, gangs and drugs etc. We made the decision to send our child to a private school to avoid all of that. I'm thankful that we are able to have the choice, but I also resent having to pay for a decent education / safe environment and it's unfair on those who have no alternative. The UK education system is really quite poor compared to many around the world. I believe it's mainly a lack of discipline that's to blame.
Emma Wilkins I go to one aswell
@@alexk.3320 that's bullshit. how does that have any significant detetomental impact? If a school is properly funded and administered then diversity will only strengthen adolescent development and broaden both their perspectives and prospectives.
You’re right in that many state secondary schools have behavioural issues, I went to one where there was a lot of disruption in class, however my sixth form was also a state school and classes were completely silent.
It’s also well known that the local private school in my area (worldwide renowned) has an issue with drug dealing and sexual harassment. A bit of hypocrisy there?
Sorry to hear you had a bad state school experience, though.
I COMLETELY agree. Poor parenting is so problematic in this situation and is a HUGE factor
British education systems has completely failed, the poll was suggested that nearly 100,000 british young people went to bad schools that left with no academic backgrounds. They are all now unemployed and forgotten by their government, as a 31 year old man I am absolutely disgusted by the UK government on education saying now education is "outstanding".
A good education is of course a prerequisite to success. But by far the most important thing in UK is who you know, what friends and connections you have. A brilliant academic without connections might well end up on Universal Credit.
This.
Couldn't agree more with this. Absolutely spot on. This is the real value in independent education and it should enter public lexicon that it's got naff all to do with intelligence, integrity and potential of an individual, but all to do with connections and (invariably) who your parents knew to send them up the money ladder.
my trading desk at Goldman will differ.
It's such a pity that it is a time-limited programme, it doesn't let people finish their argument.
I agree. Some students require more time and attention. There are students that come from abusive homes and that impacts their ability to learn.
Unexpectedly, reading this article brought tears to my eyes. I left the Royal Navy in 2009 after nearly 30 years of service and had been at one time or other its principal advisor for all learning (individual, team and whole ship education and training), leadership and management. My last 6 years were in NATO as part of its battlestaff. After retiring, I wanted to ‘give back’ to our young people and spent 13 years teaching the most critical subjects in the Engineering, Aerospace and Automotive disciplines up to second year degree level. However, I found the leadership was self-satisfied and complacent to the obvious failings of the current education system, particularly in meeting the STEM needs of industry, and was highly resistant to any significant changes. Last year I was told that Exeter College was due an OFSTED inspection so I had to resign as I knew my integrity would compel me to tell the supposed educational leadership of this country, and ,OFSTED, exactly what I thought of their leadership, knowing that the college would be downgraded by a single word - ‘Inadequate’ - if I did so. Since then, of course, there have been tragic consequences around this issue, and I doubt whether I will ever be asked back into the system to teach again.
Westminster isn’t a great example as it is one of the most academic schools so the teachers are more specialised - not all private schools have that
But the funny thing is these “public” schools started out as charity schools for poor boys lol😂
What is the UK's way out?
How about bringing back public grammar schools which bland, middle-brow smiler, Tony Blair, turned into comprehensive schools?
Here in the US, our public (tax-supported) schools are mostly public disasters. Students can finish 12th year unable to read and write. Those who can read and write often do both very badly.
The US's best public schools are in areas where parents, knowledgeable of education's value, can watch the administrators and teachers to keep them performing. Such areas are many of the wealthier towns or towns where a state university is. State universities' faculties' children attend the local public schools. The universities' faculties are also active in the parents' associations (called Parent-Teacher Associations), where they keep an eye on the schools and do not let matters drift. US public schools are dominated by education unions, whose focus is mainly on teaching as a job for their members.
The focus is on so many hours spent in a classroom at so many dollars per hour. In other words, cash for being there. Anything is extra. Some union teachers are conscientious, but that is no requirement, except where the Parent-Teacher Association is dogged.
I think when the woman talked about the high number of SEN you need to take in consideration that private schools have the money and resources to test everybody for SEN while in state schools only the more extreme cases are diagnosed.
If you add 7% of jam to 93% of crap, you will get 100% of crap
I absolutely agree. But if we can add 93% of crap to 7% of jam....
@@briansykes2806 Crap will win no matter how you add.. It's much easier to destroy than to build
Just make sure ur the jam
bit classist to say anyone who can’t afford private school is crap, don’t you think?
@@frnk8650 am i crap???
Surely, the problem is not the independent schools performing well, giving kids a good education, and therefore giving them a chance to succeed in life. It is the government not resourcing the state schools enough, and therefore giving them a poor education.
It is absolutely foolish to punish the high achieving schools, the independent ones. The scandal here is the very low standard of the state schools.
Harold Wilson was post WWII but pre Thatcher. Since Thatcher we have slowly drifted back to Victorian times which is precisely what the Tories and the vast majority of the middle class want, so please stop the the obtuse responses, you all know what is going on.
Bloody elites.....one day we will take over.
am i the only one who goes to private school but it is resourcefully worse than public schools? im not rich either, the reason my school is private is because they don't want to teach certain things that the government does and it wants it to be a religious school and not co-ed
Wow, is it fair...no. Is it logical yes.
There should have been comparison with the private versus state situation in Europe and USA versus U.K. there’s something different about the U.K. both in the lavishness and exclusivity versus the situation in Germany France etc so why hasn’t the British system been adopted elsewhere and what’s the consequences of our system versus there’s?
There are issues when groups such as the bbc and the Tory government are so dominated by people from top private schools as it means a very narrow group of privileged people who see the world, inevitably from a certain angle, is influential in not only controlling what happens in the country but also deciding how that is reported or even what is regarded as news.
Well people pay a lot so their children have an advantage....that's the point
Let state schools learn from private schools
You get what you pay for. I hope private schools never get abolished.
you mean you get what you can afford
*What your parents can afford
@@xxyes8879 That’s the same with everything...
Well don't claim the country is a meritocracy then. Don't ask people to work harder to climb the ladder and finally don't keep saying that private school kids are smarter!
I agree with the point about there not being enough motivation to improve schools. I don’t believe that this issue is limited to just the UK. This is also the case in the US. Income inequality plays a huge role on the success of the population and also the difficulties of lower class students face such as hunger and possible violence at home. I think if all schools were managed as boarding schools across the board and society invested in its population, then perhaps we would all be more successful.
Let's be real ,it's very much less so in the United. One can be poor and go to a top-tier school.
The chairman of the Sutton trust old Peter, went to a boys only grammar school. If Labour ideology hadn’t been to destroy all the grammar schools we may have some better educated public sec children
The U.S. has nearly tripled the amount spent per government school pupil in inflation‐adjusted dollars in the last 40 years while test scores have remained flat and internationally unimpressive. A recurrent problem reported by the students, especially by the public undergraduate, is the disconnect between what is taught and the practical reality of the job market.
• NOTE: The most famous, very top undergraduate programs are indeed private. For example: the entire Ivy League (which includes Harvard, Yale, Princeton), MIT, CalTech, Stanford. Of the public schools, only Berkeley regularly appears in the top 10. Public undergraduates consider many professors lazy, self-centred, and selfish as they are very rarely fired. You pay for your children to be educated so why should you be paying for teachers time to research?
For Profit Private Uni`s must perform or go broke which is just as it should be. You measure results by the overall profitability of a private uni`.
Also, because public uni`s are infested with communists/socialists the brainwashing is atrocious. Everything you despise will be shoved down their otherwise naive throats as gospel truth.
Is it available in Turkish?
Where can I find the Turkish version of the video ?
From personal experience, I can say that private schools don't always provide a better education. However, they perform better than public schools in testing because private schools get to choose their students. And most of the students they choose have these traits in common:
1) Come from affluent backgrounds (don't live in areas where gangs recruit kids after school; also don't go to school hungry).
2) Average or higher than average IQ.
3) Pressured by parents to do well and "become someone".
4) Are eager to compete with their peers to impress their friends and families.
5) Have been instilled the love of learning from a young age.
6) Have more highly educated parents.
7) Have parents who are involved in their learning or in efforts to expand their intellectual horizon by exposing them to rich cultural experiences.
The list goes on.
(TL; DR: Private schools do better because they only accept bright kids who are already eager to learn).
thought eton and westminster would be classed as public schools
They are
wut? they are definitely private schools, I like in the UK
@@Whatisevengoingon there's nothing like "private school" UK, it's either public schools or state schools. I'm getting thoroughly confused by this video
@@abshaar13 isn't it private and public/comprehensive - where private one must pay/take an exam if it is grammar, and public which is for everyone (in simple terms)?
@@Whatisevengoingon oh.. thanks for sharing this
The question never asked about the 7% of pupils that are privately educated is that what band academically were those children at. Yes those 7% get the top jobs but they are also a large chunk of the top 20% of smartest individuals in the country. There is still a disparity but if you sent an average selection of the nations children to the top schools a huge number of them would still fail because there is so much more to achievement than what school you went to (natural intelligence, how interested parents are in their children education, etc). The private schools are creaming the crop of the population and you’d expect those children to take the top jobs in the nation irrespective of what school they went to, private schools just dedicate the resources to them to reach their potential
If the Private school system were abolished how long would it be before state schools were properly funded?
Never because a parent is also paying for a state funded place while paying for an independent place.
A private school is a term at Eton & Harrow f a prep school . Is it the same in the USA although a public school is a term in Scotland & the USA f a state school
Private Education is the best in this country
Yeah, and it creates inequality. Have you seen the state of some of the slums in London and Manchester? Hull and Blackpool? Absolute filth, they've had their chances taken from them. We are an equal nation, kids don't get to choose how much their family makes and it's causing them to be unfairly lagged behind in education compared to their richer peers. State schools have less funding and cannot keep up with the demand whereas private schools have as much funding as they need. If you attended a state school, I garauntee you would have lower grades than you wouild going to a private school. It creates divide and poverty. Private education needs to go.
@@ReeseJamPiece. You have no idea.
@@simonhool3073 and you do?
@@josephbrennan370 I have taught in both the state and independent schools, big name schools and ‘normal name’ schools. I attended both types of schools as a pupil and spend a lot of my time researching education policy so have a fair amount of knowledge on the subject.
That 7% has an outsized say in every aspect of life. That small number is meaningless if we are discussing policy. Thats the reason it wont happen, this is as much about power and access as it is about education. That's a part of this no one wants to discuss. Its the reason why all political regardless of their political leanings, mostly, send their children to the same schools. They want the access and to make sure the kids have access to that mythical escalator.
Check out the Pareto Principle
The only reason we attend private school is because of our talent (not to brag). The schools specifically choose us, because they want to help those who have the potential to do good in life. The people who don't get into one, too bad. We have to do tests to attend our schools, and it's very difficult. Plus they work the devil out of us , we only get a few days extra holidays because our school days are longer.
So true man
Still doesn't make you any less privileged and are you suggesting that state school students don't have the potential to do go in life? Definitely some snobby attitude I see here. Own your privilege, I own mine as well because I go to a good state school.
And the bit about it only being based on talent is false, if you have a parent who can afford to you to a private school then you can get in to a private school you don't need to necessarily be academically gifted, if you have money then you can get in (I was prime example of this in primary school).
Total snobbery. Almost unbelievable.
You are suggesting that gifted kids in state schools don't have the potential to do good in life simply because they don't have money. I thought you were taught to think critically. After all, you are paying thousands a year aren't you?
Such arrogance is one of the many reasons that private schools should be abolished.
as a ps boy. I propose a 200k minimum. our general system will then flourish.
This is the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard. I go to private school not for the education, but for the religion. Most of the kids who go to my school have parents who are pastors etc. I go there for a better education on what we believe in, not a better one in general. Also, it won’t help to abolish them because the funding will stay the same. Everyone pays tax, and believe it or not, life isn’t fair.
This all sounds so dystopian.
As an American who went to public school the world is not fair and never will be. Get over it.
One doesn't have to be so snotty about it! there is nothing wrong with taking advantage of one's privileged background ,and getting the best education one can! the attitude behind it, such as yours, however, is the problem.
Hilarious, so it is the private school's fault for being better than the state schools? Why can't you be pushing for the state schools to improve?
Public schools have no incentive to improve or to help the kids. What else would one expect from them?
Born to rule mentality ain't cheap !
Interesting
Well, explain George Washington Carver, etc. The rich need the poor and the poor need the rich. It's a filtering system with money.
I was part of the 7% (in primary school) 😎 not now lol told my mum she ain't paying £15K a year to send me to a private school that has 1200 students lol
Smaller class sizes still
@@simonhool3073 yeah but still overpriced imo
@@imanepink Not overpriced at all, you compare a state boarding school to a full independent school and you can see the difference.
@@simonhool3073 nah £15K a year for education is too much, would rather go to a good state school. I mean it's not my money but still I don't want parent to be spending £15K a year on education before university.
@@imanepink Higher grades on average, extra support available, more sports, more trips, smaller classes, more pride overall as a collective just to name a few.
Improve public schools...
Public schools : The union disaster.
Uk not a superpower so keep it they do have good things about them
As a teenager who goes to a private (paid for school) i know first hand that most of this stuff is fake. Yes my education is great but my other friends from different schools are very similar to me. Never have i been told i am better than them or that i would even do better than them. My school may be a bit different to theirs but i am Sure we will both do well in life. There is no point ruining something nice that other people have maybe just improve the less fortunate peoples things. I come from a family with a mum from a normal school and a dad from a public school and they both do well!
i know you mean well but this is a very privileged worldview. ‘i am sure we will both do well in life’ is just not true. state educated people on average earn thousands less than privately educated. if the money that went into these high class facilities was redistributed to state schools then people wouldn’t have their futures determined by their birthright privilege.
@@frnk8650 that’s because the parents teach the kids differently during every day life! It doesn’t always have to do with the school. Many people who have large businesses and send their kids to private school will know all of the tips on how to be successful!
@@frnk8650 wish I could like this twice.
there are many crap private schools. approx 30 good public schools exist
Education is the problem. People need hard skills not useless knowledge they will never grasp or apply. People need jobs, money, a house, and a car, not useless degrees.
I go to private school! It is phenomenal and you should come to one. There are so many amazing opportunities!
I am sorry if this sounds a bit rude. You should come to one makes you sound naive and rude private schools have shocking tuition fees that the majority cannot simply afford. Harrow is an independent school has a tuition fee about 30 grand above the UK's average salary.
‘you should come to one’ who’s going to pay for it? you?
lily todd and where are they going to get this money from? its just not realistic for most people
lily todd not everyone can afford it
You sound incredibly ignorant. I also go to private school, but I understand that anyone can just "come to one." It's a privilege that some people just don't have.
abolish private and grammar schools
No
Grammar schools I can support but they are more of a necessary evil to drill kids who parents want to make "smart". At least you don't have to pay to get in and it is much more meritocratic.
This woman is so woke that she had to politically correct “old boys network” with “person.” You can’t take her seriously. Ugh!