Why Most Mortgage REITs Suck

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  • čas přidán 4. 03. 2024
  • For investors who are on the hunt for income paying stocks, one the first types of investments that they usually come across are mortgage REITs. These stocks always come with significantly higher yields than what you’d typically find from consumer stapes, utilities, and regular equity REITs. Companies like AGNC, Dynex Capital, and New York Mortgage Trust usually offer yields anywhere from 8% on the low end to over 15% on the high end. What’s more is that a good amount of these companies pay monthly dividends, only adding to their appeal. But what’s unfortunate is that, out of all the high yielding types of investments that exist, mortgage REITs are almost always the worst in terms of performance.
    According to the National Association of Real Estate Investment Trusts, or NAREIT, the average total return over the past 20 years in the entire mREIT sector was only 1.9%. That’s not just in terms of share price, but also factoring in those huge dividends. This far underperforms other asset classes that provide high dividends, and in my opinion, a lot of these mREITs discourage investors from pursuing higher yielding investments in general. I get a lot of questions about these companies, and a lot of people are often wondering why on earth are the vast majority of these companies so bad? Because based on how these businesses describe themselves, they sound like really safe investments. But the reality is, most aren’t, and have pretty poor long term track records. In this video I’ll go into how mortgage REITs work, and explain why most mortgage REITs are usually bad performers over time.
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Komentáře • 75

  • @kortyEdna825
    @kortyEdna825 Před 3 měsíci +71

    Mortgage rates are currently at an all time high since 2000(23 years) and based on statistics on inflation, we might see that number skyrocket further, a 30-year fixed rate was only 5% this time last year, so do I just keep waiting for a housing crash before buying or redirect my focus to the equity market.

    • @carssimplified2195
      @carssimplified2195 Před 3 měsíci +2

      The stock market is no different, to maintain profit, you need to have some in-depth knowledge on the market

    • @Justinmeyer1000
      @Justinmeyer1000 Před 3 měsíci

      Impressive can you share more info?

    • @Justinmeyer1000
      @Justinmeyer1000 Před 3 měsíci

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  • @Djedefra
    @Djedefra Před 3 měsíci +7

    this is the best video over mReits ever made. Thanks!

  • @HubiD
    @HubiD Před 3 měsíci +14

    RITHM (formerly known as NRZ) has been working good for me for quite some time now. Bought when low. Collecting ever since.

  • @stonersgym8120
    @stonersgym8120 Před 3 měsíci +21

    Took me a long time for the light bulb to go off on this one. mREITs are meant to be traded, not long-term investments. ABR has been my only winner

    • @delliott777
      @delliott777 Před 3 měsíci +1

      ditto. i've been dollar cost averaging into ABR. Lower interest are down the road, the sun will shine again.

  • @drescherjm
    @drescherjm Před 3 měsíci +4

    This is one category I have always avoided. Currently I think the housing market is significantly overvalued since the craziness that happened to prices during the pandemic and I consider that a huge risk Mortgage REITs.

  • @ugot1try
    @ugot1try Před 3 měsíci +6

    BXMT and ABR have been really good to me and the dividends allowed me to buy a lot of stocks when the market was lower last year. I hold these in a retirement account though, because the tax would kill it for me if i didnt

  • @JasonAuger-gs4ve
    @JasonAuger-gs4ve Před 3 měsíci +5

    Michael Burry has entered the chat.

  • @DuffyJ1111
    @DuffyJ1111 Před 3 měsíci +1

    I started with NLY when I had no clue what I was doing then sold and moved to AGNC. Now I think I"m done chasing that high yield and I'm going to move to O.

  • @genxtech5584
    @genxtech5584 Před 3 měsíci +5

    I'm holding a small position in both AGNC and DX. They are sitting at 7% and 17% return respectively over the last 6 months. I'm not hoping to get rich off them but was hoping for long term income with my goal of eventually living off investments. Sounds like I didn't do as much research as I thought I had on all of my picks. Can we get a dedicated video about DX and why they have performed so well recently and if that growth is sustainable?

  • @St34mPunkPrivateer
    @St34mPunkPrivateer Před 3 měsíci +7

    Holding AGNC, was one of my first dividend dives, they haven't cut anything while Ive been in, but I just recently broke even after a couple years. TLDR, its nice to see the high yield hit your account each month and it did help me keep on the wagon while I was starting out fresh, but yeah, dumb way to grow money, but looking at the 5 year history of these companies will show you that. Could they pop off sure, but I like long track records of steady upward trends. This video would of helped past me, cause I was all vested in the " oh they are government backed securities"

    • @listerinr
      @listerinr Před 3 měsíci +2

      I recently found out about AGNC and have been loading the boat with shares. The monthly dividend is nice, but hoping to see some growth when rates start to drop later this year. 🤞

    • @Alex-he1ve
      @Alex-he1ve Před 3 měsíci +3

      @@listerinr I hold it since Dec 2020, last month got break even, the total return so far is 1.2%.

    • @wewhoareabouttodiesaluteyo9303
      @wewhoareabouttodiesaluteyo9303 Před 3 měsíci

      "This video would have helped past me?"
      "What exactly were you asking here?"- Chris Hansen

    • @wewhoareabouttodiesaluteyo9303
      @wewhoareabouttodiesaluteyo9303 Před 3 měsíci +1

      @@listerinr AGNC has a bad balance sheet.

    • @DogKama
      @DogKama Před 3 měsíci +1

      I just sold all of my AGNC shares last month after a year plus holding them. I just got the monthly dividend up to $25 USD a month, but starting hearing rumors they would be cutting the dividend within the next couple of months and decided to sell, and reinvest that money into someting else. I knew the price growth wasn't there, but for the stock price it made holding it worth it for a while.

  • @karinmottola9227
    @karinmottola9227 Před měsícem

    I own AGNC in-the-money covered calls to receive the 15% dividend with decreased downside risk. For example, $8 and $9 covered calls to blunt a potential dividend cut or stock value decrease, for about 6 months.

  • @Vektorion
    @Vektorion Před 3 měsíci +2

    OXLC is still pretty good

  • @Carlosvinic
    @Carlosvinic Před 3 měsíci +1

    What do you think of Bradywine Realty Trust?

  • @MikeDD86
    @MikeDD86 Před 3 měsíci

    I have been wondering this when looking at mreits. Why would someone invest in other Reits when these types of comanies give out a really good yield and for something that is reasonably safe?? Great timing for this!

  • @AmeriGlobal
    @AmeriGlobal Před 3 měsíci +2

    There is more money to be made in BDCs (ARCC, CSWC, GLAD) and there are a couple of good closed end funds (CSQ and ACV)

    • @wewhoareabouttodiesaluteyo9303
      @wewhoareabouttodiesaluteyo9303 Před 3 měsíci +1

      Finally someone who knows what they are investing in! Every single one of those has a good balance sheet!
      I think only ARCC and CSQ pay outside their EPS though. ACV I cannot really tell because my brokerage zeros some EPSs out before market opens.

    • @user00165
      @user00165 Před 2 měsíci +1

      AIO

    • @AmeriGlobal
      @AmeriGlobal Před 2 měsíci

      @@user00165 Yes, also a good total return.

  • @Ruston72
    @Ruston72 Před 3 měsíci +90

    I own some top performing mortgage REITs. I've been investing with a pro analyst who trades for me and it's been great. I'm about to cross the $800k milestone.

    • @outstandingsensei
      @outstandingsensei Před 3 měsíci +2

      I've found this Ann you mentioned on google and she's impressive. I really appreciate this info you shared.

    • @blackwaltz3135
      @blackwaltz3135 Před 2 měsíci +1

      what kind do you own?

  • @NiceGuyEddy00
    @NiceGuyEddy00 Před 3 měsíci

    Excellent video but a missed opportunity to talk about ABR.

  • @MisterHeartMusic
    @MisterHeartMusic Před 3 měsíci

    REFI also worked good for me so far.

  • @RealAnthonyJones
    @RealAnthonyJones Před 3 měsíci +5

    Bought into NYMT 3 years ago and it is 100% a dividend trap. Has been down 25% ever since purchase and the dividend just keeps it at that level. Last year they cut the dividend twice. At this point I’m just holding it till it gets back close to even when rates drop so I can off load it. Probably done with reits after this.

  • @hellochriis
    @hellochriis Před měsícem

    Many mReits just presented pretty good numbers, though for Q1 24 period. Feel like timing to go long could be right now with FED rate hike off the table and rates very likely to reverse by year-end. No matter who will make it into the White House will benefit from sustained rate cuts....so it will happen.

  • @sagig72
    @sagig72 Před 3 měsíci +1

    I kknow that you feel ABR is much better than an average MREIT. Can you explain why ABR is better?

  • @goose-F16
    @goose-F16 Před 3 měsíci

    great vid

  • @2MANYCARS
    @2MANYCARS Před 2 měsíci

    I short ARR & ORC in the past couple years, and they had been successful, with rates going down this year, shorting these names isn't a sound strategy anymore.

  • @Rich_Man101
    @Rich_Man101 Před 3 měsíci +1

    If I could give advice to young investors first starting out it would be to stay away from mREITs. One of the mistakes I made first starting out was investing in the likes of NLY and REM. These are never to be held as long term investments. At best they are to be traded short term. Longterm they are value destroyers. Just don't do it!

    • @duane7033
      @duane7033 Před 3 měsíci

      I agree I had NLY than they reverse split & I lost alot, never again.

  • @glennshoemake4200
    @glennshoemake4200 Před 3 měsíci +1

    I'm happy with both ABR and STWD.

    • @wewhoareabouttodiesaluteyo9303
      @wewhoareabouttodiesaluteyo9303 Před 3 měsíci +1

      Have you looked at the liability STWD has been carrying?

    • @glennshoemake4200
      @glennshoemake4200 Před 3 měsíci +1

      @@wewhoareabouttodiesaluteyo9303 Not worried about it as I have full confidence in Barry Sternlicht.

  • @davesites
    @davesites Před 3 měsíci

    Nice

  • @hectordelagarzav.2264
    @hectordelagarzav.2264 Před 3 měsíci

    I have REM can't complain

  • @Vinnie-ng3zx643
    @Vinnie-ng3zx643 Před 3 měsíci

    As an lnvesting enthusiast, I often wonder how top level investors are able to become millionaires off investing. . I’ve been sitting on over $545K equity from a home sale and I’m not sure where to go from here, is it a good time to buy into stocks or do I wait for another opportunity?.

    • @user-yx8fo4ni7e
      @user-yx8fo4ni7e Před 3 měsíci

      Is there any chance you could recommend who you work with? I've wanted to make this switch for a very long time now, but I've been very hesitant about. I'll appreciate any recommendation.

    • @user-tb8kn3nh4e
      @user-tb8kn3nh4e Před 3 měsíci

      Stocks are pretty unstable at the moment, but if you do the right math, you should be just fine. Bloomberg and other finance media have been recording cases of folks gaining over 250k just in a matter of weeks/couple months, so I think there are alot of wealth transfer in this downtime if you know where to look.

  • @martonem
    @martonem Před 3 měsíci

    Is ABR considered an mREIT?

  • @turbotoommyguns1971
    @turbotoommyguns1971 Před 3 měsíci +2

    Agnc and orc have treated me well over the past two years

  • @archoplites
    @archoplites Před 3 měsíci +1

    I understand mREITs enough not to invest in them.

  • @inquirer1016
    @inquirer1016 Před 3 měsíci

    Simple answer: they suck!

  • @oneeyedjack8806
    @oneeyedjack8806 Před 3 měsíci +2

    NLY sux

    • @Alex-he1ve
      @Alex-he1ve Před 3 měsíci

      One more year and I hope to be break even

    • @g.t.richardson6311
      @g.t.richardson6311 Před 3 měsíci +2

      Have owned it for years, shows a paper loss as of today, and has for long time.
      The dividends received over more than a decade long ago passed this paper loss.

    • @wewhoareabouttodiesaluteyo9303
      @wewhoareabouttodiesaluteyo9303 Před 3 měsíci

      Take it NLY is what you get when you own it.
      It has a bad balance sheet.

    • @Gcock
      @Gcock Před 3 měsíci

      ​@@wewhoareabouttodiesaluteyo9303I think we get it - bad balance sheet. Thanks.