SOUNDPROOFING our LIVING ROOM - stud wall method (Renovation Part 23)
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- čas přidán 27. 07. 2021
- In this video I’m showing you how I soundproof our living room using the stud wall method, as opposed to the direct to wall method I showed you last time. Thanks again to Soundstop (not sponsored) where I purchased the Genie Clips etc. from - they were really helpful - www.soundstop.co.uk/
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Are you able to report how successful the soundproofing is now it has been fitted for a while...thank you for the great and inspirational videos and DIY tips 👍
Excellent technique and job well done. As you know, separation is the key. Soundproofing is an interesting subject and well worth the extra expense.
I wish all handy men/women were as thorough as you. I love watching you work and always learn both useful or simply interesting things. Cheers Andy.
Cheers Eric!
Great work Andy, great insight experience and detail
Very nice work Andy (and a great series) - good to see you and PeterM getting a thumbs up from the Sunday Times. 😀👍
Thank you and I know! Mad eh? Never been in the Sunday Times before. 🤣
Amazing work. Thank you for showing how to go about insulating walls with this method. I live in a semi-detached house and am in the beginning stages of working out how much it will cost. Excellent work
You are someone I'd enjoy living next to and work with
The inso helps with fire deterrent too
Cheers and should do! 👍
You're a star! Been looking for good tips for installing this stuff and this was perfect! Subbed for more!, Love doing a bit of DIY at home👍👍
Don’t know if I’m too late or you’ve already done it but a sound test before and after when you do the studio would be cool! Great videos
Very informative video. No longer live north of Newcastle but always loved the estate your house is in. Your so lucky your on the edge looking over the stream and golf course
Cheers! Yes, lovely area, lucky find! 👍
very well presented content, refreshing style and clear information.
Really nice and considerate of you to implement this feature. Noise from inconsiderate neighbours can be so debilitating. And that even goes for people living in detached houses too.
Yeah, we're not the quietest of families so one less thing to worry about 🤣
@@GosforthHandyman I'm a musician of many years standing but, I've always recognised that one man's (musical) pleasure is another man's (musical) pain!
Top video, very informative, just what I needed. Thanks pal !
Kudos on the approach re flanking. Hats off to you sir.
Cheers! Seems to work really well 👍
1:10 Gone but not forgotten; miss you big man!
I know, wonder how long that had been there?!?
What was it i couldnt see on phone
@@Shaunie2k A dead and decomposed bird.
Well worth the work! Have a good week. x
Thank you, yes, huge difference! 👍
Your music is always great, but in this episode it's awesome.
This looks very labour intensive but I'm sure the results will be worth it, plus you must feel very satisfied having done all of that. A job well done!
Cheers! Yeah, not too bad. Takes about a day and a half to do a room 👍
Great job as usual, Andy. 👍🏽
Thank you! 👍👍
Thanks for the video, some good information, I've got a dot and dab boarded party wall in a bedroom that pretty much amplifies any sounds that gets into the party wall so the plasterboards need to come down and something maybe not as major as this to go up.
Smart way to get a detached house for semi cash 💰! Well done . I Lived with neighbours from hell next door for 18 months and this treatment will add more value to the house than the cost win , win , win !
Great work and thanks for sharing this with us take care
No worries! 👍
You must have all of the cables in your PC lined up neat, tie wrapped, colour coordinated etc. I can tell. Great vid. 👍
Great video, very helpful! Thanks!🙂
Enjoying your renovation videos! Just a tip. I find using an old bread knife works really well for cutting any type of fibre insulation. The slightly serrated blade cuts through it easily!
I'll need to buy one as Mrs Mac won't let me use the house one 🤣
@pat Barter with hardly any dust or flakes in the process, it's what I used when insulating the TV/Theater room with rock wool, from the mechanical room with the 30 year old forced air furnace, can't hear it anymore.
Thank you for this video have now got a better idea how to help my friend who has a problem with his neighbour...
No worries! It's always a balance as nothing is 100% do just down to how far you want to push it. 👍
You are a very clever man, Andy. Now apply for a rates rebate as the inside of your house is so much smaller 🌞
Ha very kind! If only, sure it went up about 20% this year!! 😭
@@GosforthHandyman Get a water meter fitted to reduce (!??) the water bill.
I thought I was odd because I put in second stud walls between us and our neighbours just in case they were noisy - my wife certainly thought it was weird - glad there are at least two of us. This looks really comprehensive system. Also did the floor insulation but only I. The last 5 years but luckily we have a crawl space under our floor so glued the Kingspan to the underneath. Wish I had thought about doing it like you as soooo much easier. Love the videos.
Cheers! Got a vid coming up on the under floor insulation, only trouble is none of the joist spacings are even so cutting the insulation exactly is a challenge! 😁
Yes, our floor joists were all different spacing. Cutting Kingspan with about two feet headroom then trying to stick to the floor joists is challenging in the extreme. 🤪🤣
Superb..........Thanks for that 🙂
Wish I'd seen this 8 years ago when started on house we now live in. One thing I really did get right though: became obsessed with cleaning voids below floors. Had a Henry of my own, builder's Henry, and a Titan blower-vacuum. I'd spend whole weekends with all three running almost continuously getting read of every grain of dust and loose mortar, mouse and spider droppings, out of every crevice. Pay-off in smell removal, lungs not tightening up, and pleasant surprise of anyone who does electrics or plumbing in he voids and for me storing stuff is massive.
Defo worthwhile while the floors are up! 👍
Yeah, I’d be the same! Good work
You should get some of that gapo tape for your PIR insulation. It works great especially for old timbers that aren't straight anymore.
Thanks for the tips I'm planning on doing this. My house is only breeze block on either side so I can hear everything.
this really helps thank u!!
Your a genius!! 🙌🙌👏👏👏
Great job Andy, could do with some of that with our neighbours I tell ya, Stay Safe Mate !!!.
Cheers Brian!
Impressive. Thankyou
I'm doing something similar to a slightly lesser extent. I have a particularly annoyingly loud next door neighbor who seems to live in their bedroom and gabs in a very loud voice overnight. I'm skipping the mass loaded vinyl and just having a pair of plasterboards, I'm also planning on using acoustic tape across the studwork. I think it should be quite sufficient.
Just had all of my soundproofing delivered by soundstop - Wow what a recommendation! Never known customer service like it. High hopes this will drown out my next doors dogs! :D
Did it..?
Certainly not a audible as they where!
As per usual, another great job. You know your stuff !
Thank you! 👍👍
acoustic silicone between the stud and bwk, around all the p/b, and between any joint
I recently soundproofed a bedroom wall in a house I rent out as the party wall was so thin you could hear next door word for word. I used The Soundproofing Store’ who were amazing - they have a calculator on their website to provide a costed list of required items. Their ‘direct to wall’ reducto clip, furring bar, acoustic mineral wool, tech sound mass vinyl and double acoustic 15mm boards only lost 60mm from the room. The tenant is amazed how effective it is. I wouldn’t hesitate doing it again if I had the need.
Great stuff! Yes, Soundstop have the calculator - very useful! You can check it out at www.soundstop.co.uk/ 👍
Really good video
Great vid Andy . I did one years ago and someone told me to stick a full sheet of hardboard onto the plaster with the smooth face touching the plaster , the hard flat smooth surface deflects sound back into the wall . And then do what you have done and leave an air gap , stud with acoustic insulation and plaster board . Well worth doing even though you loose a few inches off your room size
You'd have to run the numbers but I don't think the hardboard would do much. Not enough density unfortunately. Perhaps something like ceramic tiles would help. 👍
@@GosforthHandymanHardboard would help to cover a different area of the octave band dulling out some of the higher pitch noises but will have little to no effect on the lower frequencies. While mass is very important and has the biggest overall impact on overall reduction, it's equally important to cover a wide spectrum of material thicknesses and densities to cover different areas of the acoustic spectrum. As well as using damping to stop internal reverberation and lateral transmission.
This is why on acoustic glass, we tend to use multiple thicknesses with multiple thicknesses of soft laminate interlayers.
I had a professional sound insulation firm do my party wall. With the mass loaded vinyl they glued it to the acoustic plaster board before putting the board on the wall. Seemed like an easier way to do it. They put up the acoustic plaster board with mass loaded vinyl first, then finished with the second layer of acoustic plaster board. Protects the neighbours from the piano!
Great stuff! Yes, I've seen it done that way. Need 2 people since the boards are so heavy 🛠️😁
@@GosforthHandyman There were indeed two of them! They built a complete metal frame, attached by rubber couplings to the ceiling and floor, no connection to the party wall at all. It works very well 👍
Yup, I teach guitar and daughter plays piano
How much did this cost you if you don’t mind ?
@@ourclarioncall No problem - in mid-2016 it cost €4000 plus vat for a wall with a surface area of 13.75m2. That was for a layer of bubble wrap/silver foil stuff for thermal isolation, steel frame on two layers of rubber mounts, thick wool, compressed wool, loaded rubber, two layers of acoustic plaster board, finishing and painting, three sockets/switches with acoustic back boxes.
@@Richardincancale that’s about the same size of my living room party wall. Thanks for the info 👍
Great to see you doing this, planning on soundproofing the party walls in my next property
Great stuff, yeah worth doing if you're getting replasterjng done anyway 👍
@@GosforthHandyman would this work/still be effective if done directly on brick? I’m removing the chimney breasts and doubt there’ll be much plaster left on the party walls as a result 😁
Nothing more satisfying than putting the boards back having cleaned out the rubbish the lazy bugger who was last there, decided to leave.
Defo! Very satisfying job 😁
It’s the way most builders clear up lift up a floorboard sweep all the rubbish down there, drop down a few pop bottles full of piss and put the floorboard back down (badly) so it squeaks.😉
As you say, lots of ways to do this, one pointer to highlight would be to stop the insulation protruding into the void behind the timber studs you have built. The isolation gap works best if all elements are excluded from this area, not just the studwork.
Any advice on how to stop this? Currently struggling with rockwool flopping towards the party wall that m trying to isolate with new stud structure
@@ChickenDinnerz Well, one answer is in your own name! Chicken wire stapled between the studs to retain the insulation. Pig of a job, but it means that you can pack it tightly without it making contact with the wall behind.
@@videogalore haha thanks. Will give it a go
Absolutely fantastic, love the workmanship. Great work.
Cheers Alex!
It's not a fly it's a sky raisin 😂 anyhow great renovation you're doing with this house
I've just used the same system to do my living room and bedrooms on my semi detached. Has worked great made a massive difference. Cost me a fortune tho but well worth it.
May I ask roughy how much before I dive into researching before I go any further with my renovation 🙈?
@@Mr_Ashley cost me just over £5k for the lot but my living room Is really long and I also did one room which I use to play guitar in. It's made a massive difference we get on great with our neighbors but I've got a young family that are loud and hated thinking we were annoying the neighbors with kids shouting and me playing guitar.
@@dwangs465 thank you so much for your reply! Funnily enough same boat for me, I enjoy cranking the amps to 11, and my daughter is the loudest creature on earth 😂
@@Mr_Ashley Aah, that is that sound I keep hearing in the evening 😆
Glad you got sorted! Not an easy job but worth doing 👍
Hi, great video really informative. Can I ask why you did'nt do the chimney breast, or have I missed an earlier video.
We have had new neighbours move in next door who have young kids and the noise from them and the parties they
have on a weekend are having a real impact on our quality of life. Its either get this done or move which we don't really
want to do
Hi Andy, firstly great and informative videos, my wife and I enjoy watching them :-) I currently have a mini renovation project ongoing myself which I'd like to include some form of sound proofing the floor between the ground and 1st floor levels. I will be installing a pool table upstairs so keen to keep the noise down of people walking about and balls being potted while my son sleeps below. I will have a doorway covered by a heavyweight curtain (appreciate this will be the worst case area for noise leakage) but the floorboards are soooo creaky I need to stop this. I was looking to install rockwool between the joists and I've seen a foam tape that people install on top of the joist and then rest the chipboard boards onto. I'd also join the boards with D4 glue. From your experience would this combination help to reduce the noise downstairs or would I be wasting my time and money?!
How well has this reduced the sound from next door? I'm looking into a lot of different solutions and this one seems to be a good idea
So ill thought out 😂
@ Gosforth Handyman I’m planning on doing this in an alcove in my 1930s semi. A question though. It looks like you completely filled that gap behind the stud frame with the rock wool. I thought the point of the gap was to decouple from the party wall. Hasn’t that “separation” now been breached?
Great video again. Does no sound come through the chimney breast? I used to have a back boiler apparently.
What would you do with sockets in the wall? I was thinking you could build an acoustic box behind it and seal with acoustic sealent
in America duplex is a single unattached building with a fire wall down the middle 2 make two dwelling units. what your probably referring 2 is row houses (a row of attached houses in a block[an area blocked of for dwelling units]or many blocks) confident u already know this. great job by the way.
Your description of a duplex sounds exactly like a semi-detached house in the UK. Your description of row houses sounds like what is called terraced housing in the UK.
👍👍
Hi Andy . I've got a serious problem neighbor . The wall between house's are 1 old brick thick but is really like a Rizzla paper you can hear everything nightmare. What was the cost and would it be suitable for mine .
Any advice would be great .
Is there any loading issues with the plasterbosrds on the furing bars, say if I wanted to mount a large tv on that wall?
How would you go about sound deadening a utility room? Mine is possibly ending up next to the sitting room. Even with those rubber anti-vibration feet on the washing machine it makes a right racket through the whole house. I guess the major issue is the suspended wooden floor. Although it's obviously worst when the washing machine spins, it's noisy the during the whole wash cycle, and the tumble dryer isn't much better!
The one downvote is from the guy that always tells people “if it’s too loud you’re too old”
or else the nosey neighbour who has their ear against the wall and likes to listen-in on the other neighrbours conversations through the wall
Even so, I'll probably keep my big drums out of the house 😁
Hi brilliant videos. One question, which floor you have noticed the best for sounds proofing from your party wall Upstairs or downstair?
I'm wondering if flexel would be good where the wood meets the walls, it's used on expansion joints in brickwork but is pretty dense, this is the best sound proofing video I have seen, just a couple of questions my joist go into the dividing walls, what about them, could you use a specialist underlay under the carpets ? and then you would have the ceiling, if you removed the plasterboard you could do with doing in-between the joist going into next door, the ironic thing is all that work and the neighbors get it for free
How do you find the soundproofing now that the wood burner is installed? Does it let noise through? If it does let noise through is there anything that can be done?
I've recently moved to a victorian house with that has a similar noise issue with the alcoves, happy to do this myself after seeing this video. A bit cheeky but do know what your cost per m2 was?
Hi, looking to use the same products just a quick question. You have installed the stud timbers horizontal, not vertical. Instead, Would a 3rd vertical piece of timber in the centre not have been better to increase the amount of mineral wool? The wool comes at 60cm wide, not sure on the size of your alcoves but keeping the gaps between the timber, or at least 1 side to 60cm, would it be beneficial?
What type and size of screw do you use to fix the plasterboard to the furring strips?
The noise really depends from house to house. I remember one 1960s terraced house I was renting I could hear the neighbour snoring in the night. Converted Flat with joist ceiling, are like having someone else in your house, absolutely dreadful. Instead my parents in law have a Victorian semi and can hear almost nothing to be fair, only when their neighbours play piano. Luckily now I live in a detached so no noise issue but all the walls are external walls so cold and tendency to damp... can't have it all
Yeah, some older Victorian stock is amazingly soundproof. Dense bricks and small mortar lines probably help too 👍
My 1902 house has stone walls that are at least 400mm thick I can't hear a thing from next door through the walls (and they can be pretty loud), but the neighbour still complains when I'm doing work to the place!
Hi mate, Do you need do stagger the plasterboard joints between the two layers?
Hey mate. Been watching your videos for a long time and appreciate all your advice. Just a question re the studs- I plan to design my acoustic wall stud wall similar to yours so it is away from the party walls. How many plasterboard screws are you using spacing wise? I know acoustic plasterboard is heavier thats why I ask.
Yes. We call it a duplex in the US.
Thought so! 👍😬
I am about to undertake the same project. Can I ask what screws you used to attach the boards to the furring channels? Were they self drilling?
Yes, duplex in the U.S.!
Cheers for the info! 👍
Really enjoying following the house project. Currently renovating our first house so lots to learn and this channel is very motivating and helpful so thanks! Do you think you may end up staying in this house or get it perfect and then find another?
I think we'll be here at least until the kids leave home. Best of luck with yours. 👍
Sound deadened a few of my rooms now. Daughters room was just 25mm of acoustic wool and 2 layers of acoustic plasterboard. Built an isolated stud wall in bedroom after taking chimney down and added 3mm rubber between the boards. Can sleep in peace now. Already done the lounge alcoves once but about to take chimney down in that so will completely redo the wall using the same method as yourself.
Sound is a sneaky pollution. Don’t realise how bad it can be till its not there anymore
Indeed - it can be a challenge! Good luck with yours! 👍
That framework is touching the wall via the side walls, ceiling and floors which all connect to the party wall. Surely there is some form of decoupling that can be used between the stud and the connecting points.
Yes you can get isolation strips that you attach to the timber work prior to attaching it too the wall you just run the isolation strip around the primates.gives it the decoupling 👍
Can one hang a heavy mirror on this using plasterboard fixtures I.e grip fit
Very thorough, but I'd expect to get most of the 'party' noise from the chimney breast ? And you've left it untreated?
Having done the alcoves, isn't the chimney stack shared so you still have a trombone going between the property and therefore taking away the good work you did on the alcoves?
Hi, is there anyway the noise still transmits through the actual chimney breast?
Hi I watched your video and I have the same bedroom and I wat to do same thing I was wondering for 1 bedroom like yours what do I need start to finish the job thanks.
Sorry for my ignorance, but what sized timber did you use.....dont half find myself second guessing myself far too much recently. Thanks Andy 👍
By the time you have soundproofed walls how much space is taken thickness from existing to added soundproofing.
Also how much depth of ceiling is required thanks.
I have viewed loads of CZcamsrs videos and no one tells you this information
Can i ask why you used a Genie Clip on a frame that is not touching the party wall? I thought the reason for using these clips is when you have no choice but to attach them onto the party wall.
Hi there, my expert friends told me to put Ventacusto 50mm stone whool with two layers Plasterboard Kanuf Diamant 12.5mm on my two side of walls? Can someone verify to me is this good option or do i need to put mass vinyl after first layer of Plasterboard?
I'm only in Sunderland, could you do my living room party wall please? I'm in desperate need! 🙌
4:52 if only my neighbours had your outlook!!!!
Great job and glad it’s working well.
Would it not have been beneficial to put a small air gap between the vinyl and the last piece of plasterboard though?
Very difficult to achieve without another stud wall 👍
where could i find jeany clips ?
Great vid. Highly interested in soundproofing atm. Setting up a workshop down bottom of garden. Built from wood but I'll probably make full floating walls on the inside. Not skimming it though so wondering if I'd be better doing mdf then soundtec then mdf. Not sure if mdf is more or less soundproof than acoustic board tbh. Need to do more digging
It really makes only a negligible difference in old houses with party walls and floor and ceiling joists and chimney breasts etc. Its noticeably better but you'll still hear every moan and groan (and explosion). There's a reason detached houses are so much more expensive.
I've found the soundproofing properties of MDF is great. Obviously the main disadvantage compared to plasterboard is the fire rating. I suspect acoustic plasterboard is slightly better but bet there's not much in it. 👍
Hi. Nice work. Do you get much noise through the back of the fireplace area where there is no sound proofing?
Yes, unfortunately the inglenook is always a problem - very difficult to treat if the chimney is used.
That was great, thanks...one question, what sort of screws do you use to screw into the metal furring bar mate?
I used Timco stainless steel plasterboard screws 👍
Hey Andy, at 15:50 I thought you could have matched the pattern of the wallpaper a little better.
Lol, was gonna say the same.
I know, was a bit gutted that I was only about an inch out 🤣
I see you allowed air gaps around the frame but then you sealed it with acoustic mastic and then you will plaster walls isn't that not bridging it all together again, just my thoughts
Great informative vid really helped.
Just wanted to ask I’m currently renovating our family home and currently the house is stripped back to the brick top to bottom 😳
Would I be able to use this system even though there is no plaster on the walls??
So put the stud work up and the clips, insulation between the gaps up against the wall (which is just brick) and then follow through with the rest…ie..plasterboard/tecsound/plasterboard/skim.
Thanks again 👍🏻
Yes!
Wat density rocwool u used
Top work as usual Andy
Is there any reason you used this type of stud over a British gypsum iwl system? Or is it a lot better dB reduction with techsound included in that type metal system.
Cheers! No particular reason, not sure how the dB numbers compare. 👍
I was wondering if you offer this service? I would pay for someone professional to do in my semidetached house