Understanding the mind of a mass shooter
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There is a rising epidemic of mass shootings in America. At this point, there's practically a new one every day. What’s going on? What makes someone want to shoot so many other people? Is mental illness to blame? And what can we do about it? I want to delve deep into the psychology, behavior, and motives behind mass shootings in America. By examining the research and real-life cases, we clearly uncover the underlying factors that contribute to these tragic events.
We’re going to explore the complex web of influences, from societal factors to personal grievances, that can lead individuals down this devastating path. By shedding light on these motives, we aim to provide a comprehensive understanding of the issue and open up a crucial dialogue about effective prevention strategies.
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A couple of extra things.
First, it's worth noting that there is no consensus definition of a “mass shooting”. Each organization defines it slightly differently, which can make it difficult to get a well-defined view of this issue. Of course, any definition would be somewhat arbitrary, but some are more broad (for example The Gun Violence Archive defines it as “any incident in which 4 or more shot or killed, not including the shooter”) while others are more narrow (for example, The Violence Project defines it as “a multiple homicide incident in which four or more victims are murdered with firearms-not including the offender(s)-within one event, and at least some of the murders occurred in a public location or locations in close geographical proximity (e.g., a workplace, school, restaurant, or other public settings), and the murders are not attributable to any other underlying criminal activity or commonplace circumstance (armed robbery, criminal competition, insurance fraud, argument, or romantic triangle).” There is no objectively “correct” definition because all of the data is important and paints a larger picture, but it’s worth pointing out the differences.
Beyond this, I also wanted to make a correction. I stated at the end of the video that there is evidence that gun buyback programs are effective at reducing gun violence. However, there is far more evidence that these programs have little to no efficacy at reducing homicides, suicides, or mass shootings.
Hey i liked a lot of the video but i think there's plenty to critique, i specifically liked the part about mental illnesses not necessarily being a deciding factor and desperation being the biggest factor that could most easily be combatted first to reduce overall gun deaths.
I do want to talk to you personally about the gun regulations part since i believe the logistics of it at least in America is not capable of removing the ease of access, it would be equivalent of trying to pray the gun away.
Not that you cannot reduce the deaths or mass shootings but the cherry picking of guns rather then the other social factors can be less helpful then purely focusing on the social factors instead.
I liked the research of the video but i disagree with some of the conclusions made but overall a decent video.
I will refer you to these articles for reading. They show the data and better to see it directly than have me write out a wall of text. Long story short: restrictive gun laws reduce gun deaths. Simple as that.
www.science.org/content/article/u-s-gun-research-report-child-access-prevention-laws-cut-firearm-deaths
www.rand.org/research/gun-policy/key-findings/what-science-tells-us-about-the-effects-of-gun-policies.html
www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-science-is-clear-gun-control-saves-lives1/
Thank you for admiting your error. So many channels try to bypass that step, and it is so important. You definitely have my sub.
@@neurotransmissionsI guess you already experencie it yourself. How can you know something from a article? Doesnt make sense. These people can also be high sensitive. Im talking from my own experencie. Im still struggling to ignore most of the people and not to obsorb there energy.
Why did Omar mateen take out 49 people, if his father was going to run for president of Afghanistan at a gay nightclub in Orlando?
Mental health and poor mental health services are absolutely a factor. When I tried to seek help for my homicidal urges I was abused medically in a psych ward, which only WORSENED my homicidality and made me not want to seek help. I was able to get better on my own after years of hard work, but who the Hell would ever seek help when they know they'll be treated like an animal?
Yeah. People get carelessly treated and therefore lose their humanity. Then we wonder why they lash out like animals.
Thank you for sharing your insight. I hope your getting the help you need.
I wonder if this is intentional, like some kind of opportunistic Pygmallion effect?
@@AlastorTheNPDemonLike if it’s perpetuated from something within society. Like a Hell some find worth hiding. You can notice how many artists mention or portray that this is Hell or this place is a Hell for them. Mental place or physical place both inclusive.
You can’t help who you are. Just be someone else. That seems to work for me.
So, basically, you have an individual who doesn't fit it, unwanted, unloved. And over time, things build in one's mind, and you're right, complex depression leads to suicide. For a person who is socially rejected or feels that way, would find going out in a blaze of "glory" very attractive. Drugs and alcohol abuse surely exacerbates mental and emotional fragmentation.
Very sad and extremely disturbing to know that
So it's really a product of a greater social problem.
@@Ultroumbonee why was my reply deleted?
So is not suicide a mental issue?
Could someone please explain how that description does not fit into mental illness? I honestly don't understand
i was not suprised my psychiatrist two years ago told me she knew several mentally ill americans who were severely harmed and in each case the judges did nothing to the people who harmed them
too many criminals who are judges and cops too many they victimize the poor and mentally ill and allow the poor and mentally ill to be victimized
I was about to say "The fact that this hasn't been demonitised is incredible!" but the fact that talking about this could damage your income is insane...
Thats just youtube in general, talk about a sensitive topic and risk demonitization.
Personally I think social media is a major problem. No matter what part of the political/racial/gender spectrum you’re on. Social media is increasing radicalism. Be it right or left. Maybe I’m dreaming here but could y’all imagine a whole year where the country would shut off all social media platforms???? For just a year every so often. Maybe that would change people for the better. I’m thinking out loud and I’m sure there is some flaws with my logic.
yeah social media makes echo chambers with algorithms
Yeah I think social media feeds into it a lot. Seeing other people being so successful hurts people that aren't. Then they start to think everything is unfair, and that they need to take it out on others as if they're some sort of benevolent equalizer to inequality...
@@nathanielbellmoreMost people only post the good stuff on social media. So almost everyone gets depressed, to an extent, when they go to Facebook and see how wonderful everyone's lives are. It's all a sham though. We all struggle, have failures, etc.
Mass shootings existed before social media, look it up. Stop blaming social media for everything.
@sucram1018 thats true, but that doesn't mean social media isn't making it worse...
People were getting cancer before processed food loaded with chemicals existed, that doesnt mean its not the dominant cause of cancer today, let alone feeding into the cancer numbers..
“Mass shooters often study other shooters…”
Having gone through psychosis once upon a time, I can't imagine a person who planned & carried out a mass shooting being in the mind state of psychosis at the sametime. I just don't see how that is possible.
It's more like disrespect against the individual and thus built-up resentment that causes the violence, psychosis is just the tip of the iceberg.
@@bunk95 what exactly do you mean by "fictional" and by "marketed"??? I had NO idea some dark underload entity was out here paying to advertise their brand of specifically super fun psychosis (extreme sarcasm). **eye roll** How are you going to try and tell me? Nobody made any significant money off me going temporarily crazy, believe me. Or don't. IDC. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@@bunk95 oh I get it, you're just a rage baiting troll. oOoOoOoOoOo I'm SO mad lol
Not all psychosis is the same. Your psychosis isn't my psychosis, and mine isn't anyone else's.
@@Wifgargfhaurhgood point in that its more like a spectrum.
At one end, you have no perceptual filter. The hallucinations, ideas of reference, and synchronicity-gone-wild can make just interpreting sensory data so overwhelming you can legit barely figure out how to walk and chew gum.
At the other end of spectrum, someone with conspiracy delusions and disordered thoughts is technically psychotic but might be quite functional short term, and can plan and execute a tactical operation, especially if they have knowledge or experience in such things (which nearly a third of mass shooters were military).
People constantly talk about mental health but in the US healthcare isn't free so people can't get help even if they want to.
Mental health work doesn't usually fix the issues of mental illness. Most mental illnesses are related two things:
Lack of life meaning
A reaction to inequality
Mental health work kind of focuses on the lack of life meaning, therapists usually guide their clients to find things in life they enjoy and pursue that. However, mental health has become such a profitable and corrupt industry that it is part of the reason we have an increase in inequality..
This is actually a crazy cycle because the more mental health "helps" clients, the more money they make, the more inequality spreads as a result, which leads to more people become depressed and seeking mental health, continuing the cycle.
The country becoming more corrupt and opportunity disappearing every day only leads to more mental illness. It's pretty hard to help someone who feels they are a cog in a machine that is just designed to use them until their completely worn down and broken.
Spirituality and God are things that really help mental health. The most successful mental health therapy usually is from a therapist who offers spiritual guidance, or from a religious institution. It's no surprise that addiction clinics that preach God are have the best success rate at treating people with the mental illness of alcohol addiction.
But the most profitable thing is to put people on meds they have to buy each month and have them pay to talk to a therapist every week who doesn't actually help them. The mental health industry is leaning more into that side than actually trying to help people, because the rich investors who OWN these institutions want more profit.. and again, the more profit they make, the more inequality we have, and the more people develop mental illnesses and seek treatment from the same institution that is propagating it...
TLDR: People are getting rich off of other people who have problems. It costs the people with problems money, which only makes them have more problems...
Next to lack of purpose and meaning in life, mental illnesses stem mostly from inequality.
We don't really see a mental health epidemic in 3rd world countries where everyone is poor, only in countries where someone has 10 houses while others are working 80 hours a week to live in a run down apartment.
Profit is a sin in my opinion
@@nathanielbellmore there are more sinister consequences to psychological implementations in societies than their incentives toward profit. farming addicts can ruin lives but the floor falls out from under others' feet, _misdiagnosed_ and tranq'd for life. some are railroaded by people who don't advertise their practice.
@@nathanielbellmore As far as I know, the only thing that religion does to people with mental problems is make them even more disconnected from reality and more delusional than before.
“I didn’t spiral into madness. I just adapted to the sadness.”
Quote from a song.
I always had a hard time accepting the mental illness excuse when it comes to this. I know a lot of people with mental health issues, and attaching these evil acts to them, simply adds to the stigma
Right wingers never say what to do about mental illness, they just keep pointing out that we need to do something.
Exactly
Precisely. I mean, I’m mentally I’ll and quite frankly so are most of the people I know and love. So I need to know what KIND of mental illness triggers this, and more about it.
it's almost like mental illness is on a vast spectrum. how it affects you, and how it affects others, can be wildly different from how mental illness affects the mind of a mass shooter. mental illness can look like many different things
Society is fucked and it fucks up people
One of the best videos I’ve seen on this crucial topic. Thank you. ❤️
“Most mass shooters are not mentally ill.”
“You can be completely sane and engage in gruesomely violent acts.” Well said.
Yeah, having a twisted worldview like say Dylan Roof(who is unrepentant white supermacist, who followed his ideology to its end point) and Adam Lanza (who despised the entire society and everyone in it) doesn't make one mentally ill.
@@JMBBrasilThis dude is a dudette. Believe her. She’s seen evil people carrying weapons of mass destruction. Anyone who kills human beings for sport or to “sort” out their sordid problems has already become a monster in the making. You have to be a special kind of Evil to carry a weapon wherever you go, unless that’s your job. Or, you have moral relativism combined with apathy for human life and children.
Quranic Guidance, m
Sura 17:31, “Do not kill your children for fear of want: We (Allah) shall provide Sustenance for them as well as for you. Verily the killing of them is a great Sin.”
Sura 17:33, “Nor take Life -which Allah has made Sacred-except for Just Cause.”
Islam is not a pacific, turn-your-cheek-instantly kind of religion; but defense is considered rational by the Creator, (only if needed), and one should never transgress to be in Grace with the Creator.
As the intelligent speaker in the video explained, some people live to get some “glory” in life, even at the expense of innocent people. Some people, instead of following their Divine, follow gangs or people who crave glory:
Sura 23:34, “If you obey a man such as yourselves, behold, it is certain you will be lost.”
If religion is not your cup of tea, (“There is no compulsion in Religion), then I-Ching can help some people who do not care for religious ethics, but some integrity):
I-Ching, Ming I: “Do not focus on or interact with the negative influences around you; negativity only strengthens their grip on you…Progress May be slow, but there will indeed be progress. Remember that much of the work of the Higher Power is hidden from us, and that we enable and assist it by remaining detached, accepting, and reserved in the face of negative influences.”
An introverted outlook can help as much as an ambivert outlook -the Prophets of old and wise folks knew when to take a back seat and meditate in their caves or small living spaces until their bad energies or demons from excessive desires went away.
Also, all religions teach in some way not to hate your fellow human beings. Moral relativism teaches one to do whatever one feels like.
God Almighty teaches that all people are worth much and are created by Him equally.
Sura 30:22, “And among His Signs is the creation of the Heavens and the earth, and the variations in your languages and your colors: verily in that are Signs for those who know.”
Imagine “no religion,” says the handsome husband of YokoOno-but do you know how many times he punched his women and abused them due to moral relativism? Too many.
Imagine, however, going to sleep each night, and having forgiven anybody who ever hurt you every night? Having forgiven people and family members for the sake of one’s Creator? No grudges to go to rest with. Clean slate every day.
Never hate people, and if you have hatred in you, you must be fair-minded to the person(s). That’s also in my Guide Book/Quran.
Never love people excessively-leave room for God Almighty who guides those who believe in His Help, in His gifts of resources. Love God Almighty more than yourself, even more than loved ones, more than your properties for Who gave you properties, more than your guns, more than your obsessions with things-/and “Honest Self-Reflection” as the speaker says, can help -with seeking counsel if needed, for difficult times.
May we never laugh at some “other” people’s sufferings made to happen, for it could be us next time-if we are not fair-minded to each soul we meet.
ofc they are tf
@@VBZ180 No, clinically they're not. Like I said, having a twisted worldview is not the same as having a diagnosed mental illness.
You can say that Elliot Rodger was insane because you cannot understand how someone can believe and do things like he did, but the truth is he was a believer of a vile ideology and acted according to that ideology.
wtf
A sign of personal grevience for the Vegas shooter was presented by the Daily Mail in a 2020 article showcasing what looks like screenshots from a chat log between the perp and an escort in days prior to the shooting. The perp discussed wanting emotional support and how he felt "a lot of people don't deserve to be alive" as he accuses them of being selfish and "take what they need from [him] and then discard [him]". This aligns with some speculations that he viewed his then-gf as a "gold digger", and in an FBI report was known to complain about how casinos no longer treat high-rollers very well.
What's ironic about these comments is that he himself had a history of using people and systems to elevate himself. He was rich through legal loopholes, cheated on his girlfriend repeatedly while engaging in violent, possibly pedophilic fantasies with escorts.
Whether the result of a personal grevience, political gain, or delusions. The core factor to all these mass shootings are a lack of empathy for others and an inflated sense of self.
Totally agree with you. Most Americans lack empathy and many are self-centered. In my country, those who have depression or other mental illness just commit suicide and nobody committed mass murders so they could take as many people with them.
There are also some people out there who just want to kill because they like it. As much as we may try to prevent stuff like this from happening, there will always be others out there that want violence. That enough is a motive, or a reason why.
who?
Wrong! Theres always some underlying issie at play, dig deeper!!
@@queuedjar4578Humans have the capacity to be violent but it isnt this animalistic desire we fight with every day of our lives. It comes out when you are pushed to the limit, when you are angry. and unless you are mentally unwell that isn't very often. Either way, we can't really solve that issue without massively descalating and leveling every aspect of society we have built for the past 150 years...
Also, "traditional moral guidance" ain't something that comes from religion bro.
@@64bitmodels66no true lots of people who kill do it because they feel nothings not some animalistic rage
This is a tough topic to cover and to talk about, but I feel like this video does it justice.
Me too
70% are suicidal but most mass shooters are not mentally ill? Ok I get that suicidality is not a mental illness but it does show severe disturbance.Also, when you consider all of the high profile shooters who did in fact have a history of mental illness or previous and recent contact with mental health care, it is quite high (Columbine, Sandy Hook, Maine, Aurora Theater just off the top of my head).
You mean sensible gun restrictions.@@JosephWalker-ip7pd
What he's saying is that the proportion of mass shooters with a mental illness is not higher than the proportion of people with a mental illness in the overall population. And that most people with a mental illness are not violent. So, there is no direct causation between mental illness and mass shooting.
@@pezeron24 I guess I don't understand that. There certainly is a mental illness involved, as far and wide as I can imagine, if mass shooting is involved.
The researchers that did the violence project study were not clear about the methodology used to determine suicidality.
Suicidality is part of the insanity defense, that means you can say you’re suicidal even if you’re not in order to avoid prison
@@hawksgoated3613creepy thing to put out there since I have high to middle functioning autism and my brain 🧠is wired very differently but I’ve never seriously thought of hurting people even when things got horribly in my life
it's kind of stupid that if you hate the world and want to get back at it then why would you target innocent children, target the people who made the world the way it is, like the most powerful and wealthy elites
These people ain't rational though, so they do stupid shit.
You assume these people want to make tomorrow. Most of them are just cowards that’s why they kill children and not functioning adults.
Problem is the media would still portray them as a bad guy instead of a hero. Look at what howbthe media portrays cop killers for example. That's their civil duty to take out the corrupt. I have always agreed with this though no reason to attack children who don't even understand the shitty world they live in. Certain others I can understand if it's a place a child should not be because a lot of yall adults have allowed those wealthy elites to have shit get the way they are cuz yall refuse to attack them. Believe me some of us have similar mindsets but better targets in mind and that's why you haven't heard anything about it yet. Gotta be smart in planning something like that knowing we the people won't have your back and will just sit and cower like good lil sheeple
every played hatred?
Because they are jealous of the carefree children
I am in the southern suburbs of Chicago and I’m scared to go anywhere. I’m tired of politicians blaming something completely different and irrelevant. I am one to speak: I myself have experienced extreme homicidal thoughts previously in life. I felt trapped and after years of hurt, trauma and fear, I was ANGRY. Plans and all. Have I ever acted on it? Absolutely not. I seeked help. Mental illness, homicidal ideation should NOT be demonized as THAT is why it took me years to seek treatment for homicidal ideation. Do you know how HARD it was to have the courage to talk to a professional? Nonetheless about wanting to kill others? If you think it’s scary telling people about suicide, it’s horrifying and extremely dangerous about homicidal ideation. This society encourages people to seek help, but demonizes them and causes them to fear speaking up all while challenging their anger about how they aren’t tough enough to act on things, it’s a rabbit hole you fall down through. You worry about getting your life shut down and you get attacked by healthcare. That you’ll be turned in. This country needs to get a grip. PLEASE. If you are experiencing homicidal ideation, PLEASE reach out. From one recovering homicidal/suicidal person to another, they will not tip the police, they will not hurt you or lock you up. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE tell someone. I promise you speaking up is EXACTLY what they want you to do, I PROMISE they are not going to bash you. YOU ARE HEARD. Recovery takes years, I still see the violent images in my mind but I have not had an actual plan or anything severe in a year and a half. Recovery is possible, I remember when I thought it wasn’t. Please seek help, you are heard and you are not alone. Please. Please.
Thank you so much for taking the time to comment and wishing you all the best in your life.
That is your survival and defense mechanism being activated from living in a hostile environment, an environment created by decades of failed democrat policies.
Chicago and violence
Like pb&j
I’m really worried about future older people who can’t retire without much of a support system. Imagine waking up in your 60’s like “ya, enduring all that wasn’t worth it”
@@queuedjar4578lol good luck with that
@queuedjar4578 sir, they taxed it off my paychecks
“People might often wonder about the emotions of the killer; there’s not a lot of emotion other than anger. There’s not much fulfillment for them. The expression of the anger doesn’t really make them feel relief, or feel better about it. What they recognize is that there’s a sense of finality, that this pain of the anger; this pain of the isolation, is going to end, because soon they will be dead.”
-Dr. Park Dietz
Good Quote.
Amerian society and culture is where your fears and horrors come true
(If you get the reference, you can make fun of me lol. It's true though)
I also think the people that play a role in pushing a person to such a limit to the point they commit violence should be shamed. A lot of self loathing can come from how society treats you. And American culture loves treating people terribly. Some people are treated poorly TOO OFTEN. A lot more than other people in society
Society plays a HUGE role in mass shootings. We are so quick to blame the shooter but we never understand the mindset behind how they were treated by society to convert them into becoming a mass shooters. We call them a coward and all these basic dehumanizing names but we never come to a point where we as society think to ourselves “are we the ones who breed these mass shooters into acting like this?” If somebody was receiving love their whole life, chances are they will NEVER think about homicides, even the thought about it alone will shake them to their core cause how could somebody think such a thing? People are such nice people why would you do such a thing but those who were subjects to harsh social lifes have a completely different mindset towards homicides. They even lean on MORE homicides and often celebrate when mass shootings happen because of their negative beliefs on society. THAT’S a great thing you brought up and I’m glad you did
Rainbow factory...?
@@desiredsweets bingo
As someone with a brother diagnosed with schizophrenia in his tenager years, I appreciate your words
Try to set up an appointment at any behavior health clinic in America and you will be put on at least a month long wait list.
True, but you could always go to the ER for a mental health crisis
As someone from England it's horrifying to see how many mass shootings go down.
I've had a psychotic episode, i couldn't have ever planned out anything like that. Every single time they say "Crazy People" end of. I actually would like to see a ban on ANYONE that has had a mental health condition. When that number of shootings is barely changed? The boogeyman scapegoat is a bit F'D isnt it? People would be forced to look at other reasons.
@@thoughts_evan Not aware of how mental health works huh? Psychotic episodes which is the number 1 argument for people trying to get a lighter sentence, the problem being disorganised thinking is seen in something ridiculous like 97% of cases. Do you want to argue that pre-planned mass shooters all fit into that small percentage!?
If America won't outright ban automatic weapons for sale to the general public then there has to be some rules in place to protect people & everyone having a gun doesn't protect anyone it's just more shots to be fired. How about if someone mentally ill shoots up a school & is killed or takes their own life then the registered owner of the fire arm takes the responsibility? They clearly were not responsible with the weapon as someone else used it to kill people!
I work as a security officer in a hospital. I spend the majority of my time on duty in a behavioral health unit (BHAC). Working in BHAC, I have been exposed to more violence and had to go “hands on” with more people than in any previous security work. This includes working as a bouncer, patrol officer, airport security, personal protection/workplace violence, and a methadone clinic. Most of the BHAC patients have homicidal/suicidal ideations with whatever mental illness they are experiencing. Even those suffering extreme psychological disorders can plan and carry out violent acts. Some patients are impulsive and simply act out without no forethought. Obviously, not all people with mental illnesses are prone to violence, but violence is common in my experience. A lot of people I deal with are also coping with the use of drugs like meth and alcohol. I’ve also noticed a lot of them have strong religious beliefs as well. The majority of mass shooters said to be suicidal. Is that not a mental health problem? During the time of the AWB mass shooting did decrease, but Columbine also happened. The weapons used were not “assault weapons”, and none had a magazine capacity over 10 rounds. At that point, it was still the deadliest mass shooting. The Virginia Tech shooter used two handguns to kill 32 people if I remember correctly. Most gun deaths in the US are from suicide as you stated. Also, the majority of firearms used in gun deaths are handguns, not “assault weapons”. Most active shooters could have or did pass a background check. They had no criminal past that prevented them buying a gun and FFLs cannot access any medical information about a person’s mental health history. The ATF form 4473 asks if you have and mental illness or have been hospitalized for psychiatric reasons, but in most cases, there is no way to confirm if a person has if they lie on the form. You said you live in Chicago. A city with the strictest gun control laws outside of NYC. Yet, Chicago has some of the highest gun crime in the nation. I live in KCMO, where you don’t even have to have a license to conceal carry. We have gun violence, but it’s not as high as Chicago. I see people walking around with AR pistols and extended magazines every day. The vast majority of people, sane or not, don’t go around shooting people. If you murder people, I think there has to be some underlying psychological issue going on. I could be totally wrong though.
I appreciate you sharing your perspective based on your experiences as a security officer in a behavioral health unit. While it is true that individuals in a behavioral health unit might display violent tendencies, it's wrong to generalize that behavior to all people with mental illnesses or even severe mental illnesses. Aggression and violence are not inherent characteristics of mental illnesses. But you are seeing people on their worst days who are there, specifically, because they are in a mentally fragile state. Behavioral health units are incredibly uncomfortable spaces for patients and it's often a traumatizing experience for most people, even those who voluntarily admit themselves. And those that are involuntary are often brought in by the police, which is stigmatizing in its own way. If you were mentally overwhelmed and then placed somewhere against your will, it's more likely that your fight-or-flight response will kick in and lead to violent reactions in order to escape or protect oneself. Additionally, it's important to recognize that substance abuse can contribute to increased aggression and impulsive behavior. The presence of drugs or alcohol leads to higher rates of violence. In fact, some studies have found that people with severe mental illnesses are more prone to substance abuse and this factor may account for nearly all significant increases in violence among the severely mentally ill.
As for suicidality, it is a mental health issue, but does not mean someone has a mental illness. While mental illness may be present in some mass shootings, it's inaccurate to claim that they are the major cause of mass shootings. The overwhelming majority of individuals with mental illnesses do not engage in violent acts and it is important to avoid stigmatizing them based on the actions of a few. It would be like saying black people are inherently more violent because you worked in a prison where the black population is dramatically overrepresented. Some people hold that racist belief, but it is false and highly stigmatizing.
In terms of the other points about guns that you mentioned, you are mostly correct (though one of the Columbine shooters used a TEC-9 semi-automatic with 52, 32, and 28-round magazines) and I think it points to the larger issue, which is the lethality of firearms generally. With something so dangerous, the only way to prevent massive death by gun is to restrict access to guns. Background checks, limiting magazine capacity, or banning certain gun types can only do so much. They do reduce the rate of violence and mass casualty, but not entirely. That means that we need to do more. Additionally, among major cities in the United States, Kansas City actually has the 8th highest homicide rate (29.88 per 100,000 people) , versus Chicago (18.26 per 100,000) ranking at 28th. Chicago is a larger city and there are hot spots where gun violence is far more prevalent and problematic. Despite strict gun laws in the city, it is still incredibly easy to access guns due to being on the border of both Wisconsin and Indiana, both of which have lax gun laws. So it's inaccurate or dishonest to ignore that factor when considering the effectiveness of gun laws. If both Wisconsin and Indiana had firmer laws, I think you would see a dramatic drop in gun deaths in Chicago. Likewise, three Missouri cities rank in the top 10 for highest violent crime rate: St. Louis, Kansas City, and Springfield. Chicago doesn't even rank in the top 25. It's not a competition, but if you want to talk about the role of guns on violence, rates of both are far higher in Kansas City where gun laws are relaxed.
We have people who shoot other people without being mentally ill, whether they're in the police, military, a gang, etc. Murdering does not equal mentally ill. I hope I've presented information well enough to eliminate that stigma.
So you’re ok with making a generalization as harmful as that because you seen violence while working in a psych hospital???? Obviously you seen violence the only reason psych patients are there is because they are a danger to themselves or others. Most people with mental illness don’t need to be hospitalized that’s a trash outlook to have it’s very closed minded and straight up offensive.
@@neurotransmissions "As for suicidality, it is a mental health issue, but does not mean someone has a mental illness."
Is this just an issue of loose definitions? One could call any "health issue" an "illness" interchangeably
@@andronatfirtyeighth2127Mental illness means that you display enough symptoms in long enough periods to be diagnosed according to the DSM-5. Mental health is something that everyone has, which normally ebbs and flows throughout life. People who have had suicidal ideation or those who suicidally act do not need to have a mental illness, and many do not. Sometimes people experience negative instances in life which can cause one to have an intense (but ultimately temporary) bout of negative mental health which can cause one to lose sense of self or intense shame which can potentially motivate people to attempt an act of suicide. Some do not plan their suicide for long periods beforehand, and in fact, can make the decision quite quickly. You may have come across loved ones of those who have died by suicide that are baffled by the action. Likely, loved-ones’ reaction of disbelief or confusion is because the choice they made was impulsively done and thus they couldn’t give warning signs for long periods beforehand. The impulsivity aspect to suicide in general isn’t covered nearly enough. Hopefully, this explains why suicide is a potential cause of concern for anyone and not only to those who struggle with mental illnesses. Mental health, just like physical health, should be looked after whether or not you have a physical or mental disease/illness.
Like: depression can be a serious mental illness, but if you're depressed for a period of time because a loved on died, or you lost a job, ect - it is not a mental illness, but could be a mental health issue..
As someone with a mental illness (panic attacks and generalized anxiety) thank you for dispelling that myth
Its not a myth idiot
It's not mental illness that connects most mass shooters, that's for sure.
There was a time where I considered moving to the US. That time has passed.
I was born in Texas in 1999 and I am so ready to sell all my shit and move the fuck out of this horrible country.
The odds of you being involved in a mass shooting are extremely low, you’re much more likely to die in a car or train.
Who gives damn???
@@benluciano4980 it's "who gives A damn?" - and, supposedly you do.
The trick is to forget the last one when the new one happens. Don't worry, there's always a new one 😢
Its so hard to express these points whenever this subject comes up. People just aren't willing to listen or speak rationally about how this develops in a person
Well said and great presentation! I totally agree that more than 80% of Mass shooting active shooters are going through some kind of personal crisis and stressors and when they do not get proper treatment on time, many bad things happen.
@@bunk95 Found the paranoid schizophrenic.
This is the toughest topic with only Band-Aid solutions attached. I have heard every side of this topic and only feel drained every time I hear it, all of it. I feel like there is something missing, myself included. I feel that we are all missing the forest from the trees. It is something right on the tip of everybody's tongue, but nobody can express it rightly. Might take used to be that it was social media echo chambers, but even this yielded nothing as I see hate rhetoric on every side of every topic in every social media thread and, as far as I can tell, Even the most hardened people who talk about killing people in the other group have not murdered anybody. Even I, a fierce individualist, have been brought so low as to wish death upon another in my life, but I never had any inclination to carry it out. I wanted to blame the fact that we are more alone than we have ever felt in the history of ever, despite, or maybe even because of, rampant human connections worldwide. But even here, it doesn't explain anything. If that's the case, there should be way more mass shooters. But instead, most people just opt for suicide, as you said, dying alone.
I love how brilliant literally sponsored a video about mass shootings
They've been great. They've really trusted me to approach this topic in an empathetic, analytical, data-driven way. I'm genuinely pleased.
@@neurotransmissions thats awesome! its great when sponsors are cool like that.
As opposed to sponsoring it figuratively?
@@scottcharney1091 just a single word choice. you get my point.
the fact that i’m watching this to study for my shooting threat so i don’t die
it all starts with person being disrespected for years from very young age to older.
"The researchers cautioned readers to interpret mass shooting trends over time with caution, in light of the fact that mass shootings are extreme and rare events."
Yeah he draws a lot of conclusions based on "research" when even researchers say not to draw conclusions because you can't do that when something is such a statistical anomaly that it's impossible to research with any statistical significance.
This video deserves way more views, just goes to show how much big media pushes this content out of all algorithms
I moved to the US in 2015 and the only reason I stay is because my own country is so much worse that in comparison, the US is the safer country. There’s so much more nuance to all of this than what you’re saying, but I appreciate you also trying to have an open conversation because this is absolutely a problem that needs to be fixed ASAP!
Here after the Maine shooting, isn't it weird that they called the mass shooter a person of interest when they had actual footage of him being a terrorist.
Reminds me of the "unwanted person" listing given to Adam Lanza.
And then that ungodly past mayor claiming his son is a hero for being a victim 😂 I'm surprised more don't happen
This was a very well researched, written and delivered subject. Well done
Sad how the first one mentioned was my home city El Paso. Sad that my brother is safer as a prison guard as opposed to me as an elementary music teacher. I’m scared everyday going into work.
Some people can handle a amount of hate. Today i was walking at the street and i saw a lot of hate in people, suddenly i did understand mass shooters! People really need to look in the mirrow and stop thinking all this dumb attitude and hating for no reason is not that innocent.
I HATE everyone, I hate that no women will even give me the time of day, I hate that our society is built mostly on how much money someone makes, I HATE SOCIAL MEDIA and how because of it people don't even know how to talk to each other anymore, I wish this world would fucking BURN.
Mirrows dont wowk.
@@gregorteply9034mirrors do work. You see how silly you look getting angry at such little things and your conscience judges you for it.
@@deadppqqqq4822 I r🙉 animals.
Democrats.....
Well said on a lot of things. Made me question a lot of things as well, also helped me look at things from a different perspective. Good video 👍
Your username doesn't really help...
I say this cause I care, you should change your username.
I don't agree with the mental illness argument that you presented. Most people are NOT mentally ill. A lot of Americans self-diagnose mental illness and the professionals don't help at all since a "conduct disorder" is often hard to diagnose and pretty much any negative emotion that lasts can be identified with that. Most of the people aren't mentally ill. I agree that it's okay to seek for help, but many psychiatrists do it just to sell drugs made by big pharma. However I agree that mental illness is not always the case for all those shootings, but you don't do it right in supporting your argument by stating that all people have mental issues, what is a healthy mind then? I'm sure there was an increase on that since the 70's, but no, not everyone has a mental problem. We are just dealing with life, with our life, ourselves and others. We don't have a problem, the system has it (and it's not a political claim. If something fails to make people stable, it's that something not us).
yo the tone of this video is insane, the beginning of the videos really sets the mood and im not the kind of person to get shaken up by things easily but this video demonstrates the terrifying reality of gun violence
I’m Canadian and 30. This issue is so prolific and has brewed so long that I remember as far back as grade 2 (age 7-8) having “Code Red” drills. Even in a small rural town of under 20,000 in Ontario. And I remember even at that age being confused about 2 things already… 1 how in the hell is this crappy desk gunna stop a bullet? 2 I have no idea how to solve this but I don’t think practicing for it is the answer…
As I’ve aged I’ve come to think all those drills normalized and desensitized us millennials and younger generations. And as horrific as this reality is, after an entire lifetime of conditioning it’s sadly our “normal”. We act shock, point blame everywhere, forget and move on. Only for it to happen again…. Maybe if we address the social issues of poverty, mental illness, gun control and radicalization online. Because I’d bet at least 1/4 of these come into play with many shootings. And I’m laying my bet on the last 2 being the biggest factors, with the first two maybe happening in tandem on occasion. But to be real most mass shooters I see are middle class white boys that get radicalized on forums and have either money for easily accessible guns or even sometimes just access to family weapons in the home
Are guns easily accessible in Canada? I've heard that Canada has strict gun control and gun ownership laws
That's because gang violence isn't brought into the discussion
@@tandoori_chimkin7613it does, and guess what, crime hasn't gone down.
Your assessment is moronic
No matter how much or how little laws you change, you won't change human nature at all.
Why doesn't this happen in Switzerland or Europe often? I think American culture and history is very violent
I'm concerned about the entire world when it comes to this topic.
No matter where you are or what you do, humans are humans.
Human nature is free will. Choosing right or wrong.
If there is even the slightest chance wrong can be done, it's bound to happen.
At least that's what history has shown time and time again.
@@oreofudgeman
I guess mental health doesn’t exist in China and Japan
You just wasted your time watching this video if you boil up and simplify everything to "human nature".
@@queuedjar4578 you are right about humans' "animalistic" and evil side being often forgotten, but it can not be the only reason of these tragedies. It's scary to not have an explanaition, but I can not even accept an easy answer such the "evilness" of mankind.
I don't know..such a complex, fascinating and scary subject.
Well, have a good day.
From Italy
People should watch Aaron Stark TED Talk about this subject, his experience tells us a lot about the mental condition of these people
Being evil is not a psychological disorder and as is said in The Dark Knight "some men just want to watch the world burn." While the character in that story is clinically insane, many of these mass shooters are simply terrible people who wish to inflict as much harm on others and society as a whole. Whether it be out of a sense of revenge, anger at the world, intent to gain notoriety, or a myriad of other factors, mental illness plays into it but the growing issue is that some people are evil and want to hurt others. They can be completely sane in this aspect, but nonetheless their goal is to cause harm.
Great video and discussion of the topic!
Yeah
More gaslighting
@@qjtvaddict What do you mean?
Yep, some of us are just purely, simply, evil.
It makes me so angry when people pin it all on mental illness. I have severe bipolar 1 disorder w/psychotic features and I am not violent at all. I have a lot of difficulty in day to day life because of my symptoms and I have been hospitalized for psychosis before. I have never hurt anyone and I have no desire to. I treat everyone with love, kindness, and acceptance. I feel like there's this narrative that people like me are all crazy, dangerous, and mass shooters and that's really scary for me. I hope that this narrative gets better. And I hope that the politicians start figuring this shit out instead of just talking about it
You do realize everyone with a mental illness is different? Nobody is blaming it on the mental illness, but it's a factor that contributes. Most people with mental illness aren't violent, but some are. There's absolutely zero chance that someone is mentally healthy and is a mass shooter. There's a complex host of factors that play into things though.
It's becoming so disheartening, so much needless hate, so much wreck less violence, and the powers that be aren't doing anything one way or another. It's just...depressing.
*reckless
I wrote a research paper on specifically mass shootings at schools in college, and I found that narcissism tends to be a prominent factor in one way or another. They like to use the media as a “scoreboard” to see who is the most “successful.” It’s sad, but that’s why I always recommended we treat school shooters like fans who run on the field. Don’t give them the attention they so desperately want.
Boze (bigbossboze) talked about this before. She always said, never give these type of people any attention. Don't even show their faces or focus on the number count. Once you do, certain people will get influenced or those people will be idolized.
Narcissism duhh it boils down to selfishness, temper tantrums and entitlement.. don’t get stuck on the wording Jack it all falls inside of someone who obviously doesn’t care about others but themselves 👍🏿
dude this is a great and well detailed video thank you for making it
Who are you@@thoughts_evan
Love your channel, glad to have found it!
My old middle school was also a high school, however I only attended for three years. During that time, I experienced incessant bullying, as I didn't maintain an athletic stature. I was also socially awkward on top of that. The bullying began to take a toll on my academic performance, but the school was doing nothing to prevent it. People sometimes don't realize that school shooters begin to direct more of their hate onto the school as opposed to the bullies in general, and they have a right to hate the school, if the school isn't doing anything to prevent the bullying. I'm so happy my parents saw what was happening to me and pulled me out of that school. I often wonder what would've happened if I attended for high school.
@@queuedjar4578 I think you're trying too hard to apply bullying as a universal standard for human behavior. All that can be said about human nature is that we adapt to our material surroundings. For example, we live in a society that incentivizes profit, therefore individuals typically act in a way which maximizes the production of profit. Obviously, that's somewhat off topic, but I think it has some relevance a place to fit in this conversation. The truth is people commit atrocities on behalf of culture alienating them.
Depends on if you get hotter
@@bunk95 I think you need to stop reading Satre, especially the works he did while he was on speed. Postmodernists don't understand morality.
@@queuedjar4578 That is NOT a solution. Do better.
Many factors contribute such as trauma, wrong mindsets, lack of positive social action, bullying, abuse ...an otherwise sane person can have a braking points😢 unfortunately the closer a person comes to this the more the world will turn its back.
If people only knew what people are dealing with and trying to deal with. But at times when you don't have anyone to talk to about what's really going on with your mind is also another thing that factors also.
Dont you hate it when people turn you into a monster and hate on you?
I do believe that personality disorders and depression in combination with abuse or bullying have a high correlation with both criminality and shootings. The abuse and bullying part of it is what politicians and society at large ignore, so it's not a surprise to me that 80% of shootings are caused by having a personal crisis. Unending hate and blame towards others that comes from an individual's personal suffering breeds motivation for revenge, even if it is coming from a place of delusion.
I'm bipolar, and get the aggressive, angry mania.... I also have plenty of access to pewpews in Texas. .. NEVER EVER have i thought, even in my worse mixed episodes. Have I thought about pewpewing up people. Not even if I'm mad at those around me. I'd rather hurt myself before I would EVER hurt another. Makes me frustrated cause I have enough stigma surrounding me with my bipolar and adhd 😢
Stats was literally in my first semester 😂 but thus is the social work/mental health field
@@volcanixthanksyoufortheviewzyou are so beautiful, I hope you be okay ❤😢
i suffer from bipolar and adhd as well and i have definitely had times where shooting up a place was on my mind. its scary to experience those thoughts because it feels illegal to talk about and you feel like you have to bottle it up
@@itsjackcressmanthat’s why the first guys comment makes no sense saying he doesn’t want to be stigmatized and he’s never had these thoughts yet you with the same thing have. I’m sorry you were man hope your feeling better now and or able to find some help.
Very well done!
I live in Belgium en when going out to party I see a lot of drunk people getting into fights and arguments. I mean probably every night it happens. The difference is that usually they punch each other and people first kinda avoid the situation and walk away bcs there is violence in a crowd, and then the friends of both people will pull them out of the fight and it ends there. Sometimes it escalates a bit more and they really beat each other up but most of the time they quit once they feel quite hurt because a physical fight tends to be more painful than shown in movies. After 1 good punch both people are feeling a good amount of pain and It doesn’t take long before at least 1 person realises that they are just gonna take a run out of the situation. But I can’t imagine how that would go if everyone is casually carrying a gun. The bruises or occasional broken bones one might get from a physical fight could easily turn into horrible shot wounds or even worse deaths if you get guns involved. And I’m not even talking about the collateral damage it could cause to random people who are just partying.
Dat een van de zoveel problemen, vuurwapens zijn zo massaal integreegd in de amerikaanse maatschappij dat het weinig zal helpen de verkrijgbaarheid van vuurwapens te verminderen. Als ze het niet legaal kunnen krijgen hebben ze nogsteeds veel keus op de zwarte markt. Dus spijtig genoeg, de enige oplossing om zelf niet doodgeknald te worden is door zelf bewapend te zijn en eerst knallen.. echt niet veel anders dan de wilde westen..
Exactly
There is no 2nd Amendment if you restrict access. The amendment is about access.
Access is already restricted, wtf u even talking about
I understand these guys.I feel the same way.
Hugs, I feel the same, society is so abusive and heartless.
As the shooters?
@@MD-cy8ujyes
I respect the way you made that advertisement at the end of the video.
Great video. I will say that personality disorders are considered mental illnesses especially antisocial and narcissistic personality disorder.
Still doesn’t cause mass shooters but Guns , it’s not rocket science
I'm usually good at understanding people and their motivations, including “fucked up” people like criminals. But mass shooters were something I could never wrap my head around. What compelled you to turn around and murder random people that didn't have anything to do with your suffering is beyond me.
@@bunk95you are fictional and so is your marketing team.
It's not that simple. New Hampshire has a very low rate of gun crime, despite some of the loosest (if not *the* loosest) gun laws in the country. The Czech Republic/Czechia is quite gun-friendly, and it's not known for this sort of thing. The same goes for several other countries. The fact is that if rightists (not just those who commit mass shootings!) have guns, so should those of us who won't let them win without a fight. The same goes for lumpen gang members/hoodlums/etc., and, paradoxically, cops.
Note also that the NRA is a gun control organization. They don't want certain people to be able to defend themselves. They pushed for the Mulford Act in California, signed by then-Governor Ronald Reagan, after members of the Black Panther Party for Self-Defense were carrying openly. This made it much harder to openly carry in CA, not that this stops gun violence. Also, the NRA had little to say about Philando Castile, a lawful gun owner murdered by a cop. Why might that be?
I won't be unarmed in the face of fascists, state power, and lumpen. Consider as well that most of the gun control measures you talked about are inherently classist (time, money, red tape).
Ohh a Marxist spotted I see
@@SherlockOhms119 No, but they could have said something regarding a cop deliberately killing a legal gun owner who posed no threat at all.
@@qjtvaddict No, I'm an anarchist. There's no "workers' state." People like me (anarchists, but also other socialists who wanted to devolve power away from the state [and towards workers' councils as much as possible]) were arguing with Marx from the mid-19th century, and that's why the first Workingmen's International fell apart.
I think to an extent individuals with mental health issues are more stigmatized because of things like these. I've suffered from depression, anxiety, an eating disorder, I've tried to end it all and I've never ever wanted to hurt people like that. It breaks my heart hearing about these in the news.
This is a very refreshing take on this topic
“Priority on christian moral values” - a then forgotten image of the American family
Facts stated clearly. Amazing video!! Sadly far too many who could help make a change either will never see this or will ignore it...
thanks dude. I see your point and haven't seen a useful counter.
In “Why Does He Do That?”, Lundy Bancroft explains that the abusive mindset (“My big feelings are all that matter!”) and mental illness (various impairments in information processing resulting in maladaptive beliefs) are both common and sometimes overlap in the same person. However, mental illness does not make the abusive mindset more likely; it can make it more dangerous, though, as the person’s inhibitions may be lowered. 🤔
23:19 Blaming Guns starts
Saved me 20 minutes!
@@sauerkrautjr You're pro-gun too?
Ya I stopped before when he started blaming all right wing white men 😂
Get over it! America is obsessed with gun ownership. Other countries are not so obsessed nor are we oppressed!
Thanks
The issue with USA is not that their right wing is crazy, and "if they just behaved better".. The issue is that society is deeply unjust and no care is given for fixing that. Human uneqaulity brings male agression. This is a know thing. Man ending at short end of stick are violent in every society. See child soliders of Africa, gangs in Sweeden, France rioters. The less chance of "decent" life, the more violent males become. In 21st century USA, people who are "doers" lean more to the right (on average) so shooters ended up being dominantly "right". Males like Breivik aren't crazy, but higly motivited and "doers" - with an agenda.. Put them in different situation, change their motivation, and those people become most productive society membeers.
Anyway video does not explain mind of real mass shotters. For example, why Seung-Hui Cho, Korean citizen, become most efficiant killer in mass shoting history once he was introduced to USA. Why is that? I am pretty sure he would ended up being decent guy if he stayed in Korea.
Or Elliot Rodger? He filmed cople videos of his motivation. They are here on youtube for anybody interersted. But why he ended up being screwed like that? What lead him to that place in life?
I don't think of schizophrenia and depression when I think of mass killers. I think of npd, aspd, psychopathy. Two out of three of those are mental illnesses. I also realise that the same politicians remarking on the tragic events probably have aspd, npd, and psychopathy as well.
I'm not exactly educated on any sort of subject surrounding shootings, but I feel like it should be treated on a case-by-case basis.
Agree
I know that people with mental disorders who do no harm, do not want to be associated with those who do, but calling agressive and hateful people sane, seems wrong to me. Any mental state that causes suffering or death to you or the ones around you, whether conscious or not of your acts, is a mental disorder. Dissocial disorder in the ICD-11, and ASPD in the DSM5, are mental disorders. Anger/hate issues, just like fear/anxiety issues, are not sane, and can be treated. Where I live, in France, psychotherapies are successfully applied, to those types of people, in prisons (not to a large scale, yet. But in bigger scales, in Northern Europe). Some people say they are not treatable, maybe because they do not know how to treat them.
Sorry but suffering, hate , anger and violence is just simply part of the human condition.
Everyone struggles with anger , hate suffering and every negative tendency you mention.
These problem's are the dark side of being human.
Beyond this multiple states of mind exist that cause suffering that leads to one's own growth as a human.
Other states of mind associated with anger and violence exist for multiple reason's.
Some of these reason's include self defense, protecting you're nation , protecting you're family , or even you're own property.
Other's may include getting back at people.
I am sorry but every negative trait human's have exist for a reason and they are part of what it mean's to be human.
Psychiatry and it's goal to take these problems away from people if they succeed will just remove a large chunk of what it mean's to be human.
For human's to not suffer or have anger/aggression, violence or any other negative tendencies is equivalent to wanting human's to be perfect.
The problem is human's are by default included with a tendency for everything you mention.
I am not saying i support negative tendencies.
But i am saying every human being has them and is capable of great good or evil.
The idea that anger ,aggression or anxiety are not sane makes this an absolute statement and is something you may not want to do.
Many sane reason's exist for all of these emotion's just like plenty of stupid reason's exist for them.
If you got angry with someone because that hit you're child if you are a parent would that be insane?
What if you retaliated against the person who did that ?
Would you than be insane for acting aggressivly to someone who hurt someone you loved?
What if someone was bullied their whole life and took up for themselves with fighting back is that insane to the field of psychology?
Because to me this seem's quit understandable.
@@Raiden-the-Goat32 I am not talking about anger, but anger issues, when anger becomes an issue. Just like when fear becomes an issue.
I completely agree with you, anger is part of human nature, as well as mental disorders. Everything humans ever did is part of human nature. What I consider not sane, are the parts of human nature which only purpose is to hurt humans. Using violence to save lives is one thing, using violence for the sake of hurting someone is another. I want humanity to be better, and to me it means safer and happier.
Northern Europe/Nordic countries are not big on incarcerating criminals like the US.
Prisoners are treated very well there. Their jails are on par with a 3-star hotel.
This is not a joke.
@@shizumi5243 Okay I now understand what you mean and i agree that those things are a problem.
But to label these things as not sane because they do not align with your goal seem's to be a way to not solve the problem that causes them.
What I mean by this is people growing up for the most part living what they learn from childhood for better or for worse.
As a result people's behavior even the most unpleasant behaviors can still be caused by stuff that person experienced in life.
People can have anger issues because they learned this behavior and maybe was never given the tools to manage these emotions.
Perhaps they have been dealing with stress and trauma the majority of their life and develop these issues.
What people must understand is social problem's someone had to deal with can definitely cause all of these problem's.
Just like ones mental health can largely be caused by one's environment and life circumstances.
This was so good, it should be seen by so many more people.
It should be , but most want to avoid dwelling on fearful, depressing subjects. Same thing with climate change. Like the frog in water that won't jump out even when the water is heated to boiling.
Excellent review.
Here after the Maine shooting and we are heartbroken… again
ok this is wrong on so many levels i dont even know why its up for discussion. People who commit mass murder DO have mental health problems, saying that "since they don't have depression or anxiety" then they don't have mental health problems, is just as wrong as thinking someone is healthy just because they don't have cancer. Mental health problems go beyond psychosis, depression and anxiety. They also imply personality problems (borderline, narcissistic, antisocial); impulse control (oppositional-defiant, bipolar, explosive-intermittent), relationship (some cases of autism combined with behavioral problems, psychosis, etc.) even adiction is a mental illness. THESE ARE ALL MENTAL HEALTH PROBLEMS. That a person can know that something is "bad" does not mean that it is not mentally "right". Now that someone is not diagnosed does not mean that the disease is not there. Because if this were a purely "social" issue then all white men would be committing murder. Also assuming that socially established violence makes a person not "mentally ill" but "normal" is also wrong. It's like saying: if obesity and eating ultra-processed foods are normalized in a society, then diabetes is not a disease... it doesn't continue to be a disease because the body is not working properly. In the case of violent people there are significant changes in how the brain works and processes information. That one cannot see it does not mean that the disease is not there. to equate the kukuxclan with mass murders. At the time of the kukuxclan, racism was accepted and promoted. Who is promoting mass murders? who says that this is something good and desirable? As for religious fanatics, yes, there are often mental health issues behind it: obsessions, compulsions, delusions, depression, and anxiety that they try to cover up with fanatical worship. Etc. I think the problem is that as a society we want to attribute everything to a kind of innate evil, an original sin. Ignoring that we are the product of an environment and genetics that can mess with people's brains. More than looking for evil, we must begin to see that there are factors that impact and shape the brain of young people and that if something is not done for mental health and safeguard their mental needs (protection, love, belonging, care, etc.) they can end up committing extremist acts either as lone (mass) murderers or in "normalized" things like fanaticism, robbery, criminal gangs, etc.
this.
so, which was it, radical idealogy or personal grievance for the vegas shooter? given nobody has been able to name a motive for him, I'm surprised you were brave enough to bring him up not 5 minutes before making the bold claim that mass shooters only fall into those categories
Yeah there's a lot of left wing doublespeak in this video. And I say this as a centrist who hates both parties because all they do is divide us.
Also, he had no discussion of narcissism, which I think is a hugely overlooked factor in many of society's ills--probably because most of our politicians and many in mass media have NPD.
Since when is News Nation a right wing channel? The Cuomos are on it and it's not like they're paragon of right wing anything.
Criminally underrated channel
Last fourth of july I was with my family gazing over the water to philidelphia to see the fireworks. As they were going off, One confirmed gunshot was heard, the big crowd ran
Philly is horrible. I love it here but Jesus Christ the crime is getting out of hand. The moment I get an opportunity to leave this city I'm gone.
I know this is a couple months late and not many people will probably see this. But recently a family freind of mine prevented a mass shooting at his church. He had noticed a guy come in with a backpack and start acting really weird during the service. So he kept an eye on him. Part way through the service he noticed that he got up with his backpack and started to head towards the alter. He of course got up and followed after him. Before he got to the alter he stoped him and started to talk to him. This family friend is a former veteran and a licensed therapist. He knows how to talk to people. He managed to convince him to give him the backpack (that was full of guns) and walk with him out of the the church. He had someone else call the police while he sat down and talked to the guy. Apparently he was one of the rare people with a severe mental illness who tried to commit this mass shooting. The guy apparently thought that a saint (i dont rember witch one) was talking to him and telling him to remove some hatred and sin from earth or something like that. He had planned to drive to diffrent churches and kill a lot of people. This one just so happened to be the first one he stoped at. The cops got there and i dont know what happened to the guy after that. What you said about increased access to mental health services probably would have prevented him from getting to that point in the first place. My friend was just really lucky to be the right person at the right place noticeing the behavior of the right guy at the right time. And that is scary.
My university MSU my last year there, I was a mass shooting survivor. What still leaves tremors down my spine was I was in Berkey hall less than 5 hours before the shooting occurred. Also I believe my classroom was the one shot up
Does being at a mass shooting 5hrs prior make you a survivor? What's the cut-off point? If I had been there the day before, could I still call myself a survivor?
@@dickiesdocos hey idiot it was class room that got shot up in Berkey, so thankfully I wasn’t their at the time! I was at my apartment at the time it happened which is directly across dorms so basically on campus…
@dickiesdocos I'd say he is a survivor. 5 hours is a small amount if time in the grand scheme of things. Even if he was 50 minutes from the distaster it would still make sense to call himself a survivor.
@@fullmetaltheorist If the event hadn't even occurred, how could they be a survivor? It's a ridiculous notion and deliberately worded to imply greater involvement.
There's a big difference between a survivor and a witness to an event. On this occasion, he was neither, so how could he possibly be a survivor?
Is there a way to get a transcript of these statistics? There are too many screen captures to get that wider picture. This video is just dense with information.
He names the websites.
This is a very enlightening video
Regarding mental health, specifically 8:20 and the hard "No! Obviously wrong." brought me to writing this comment. Especially the "obvious" make it sound much more ignorant than reasonable. No healthy human mind hasn't a challange killing another human. By "healthy human mind" I don't mean an illness. Just like with your physical health you can feel exhausted without being ill. If your reality breaks too much, your mental health usually takes a hit, which doesn't mean it can't recover. Think about losing your parents, or child. That will usually take a heavy toll on ones mental health, without having a mental sickness.
I hope I could get my point across, which this video does not acknowledge.
In the video, I said that there is an assumption that you would only kill a lot of other people if you were not in control of your mental faculties. But that is clearly wrong. There are many reasons why people kill others that have nothing to do with mental exhaustion or living an unfulfilled life or losing control of your mind. Soldiers in a military may kill many other people, but not because they are exhausted or are experiencing some mental difficulty. Experiencing stress doesn't cause someone to commit violence. A lot of people are mentally ill and struggle daily with mental health issues and don't do these things. When you attribute all "evil" acts to mental illness, it reinforces a false stereotype.
@@neurotransmissions In the case of James Holmes, that no one addressed his mental illness resulted in him shooting up a movie theater. He even told a mental health professional that he had fantasized about killing people...
@@neurotransmissions I think we each talk about something slightly different. What I understand you mean mental illness or a low mental health does not result in violence. I agree on that. My point is that killing another human will always either lower ones mental health or otherwise already suffers from a mental health issue, which of course does not mean the other way around is true (the chain of causation is relevant).
In the clip at 8:20 "Anybody who shots sombody else has a mental health challange" which I think is absolutely true, but you plainly say "No" followed by "obviously wrong" which makes it sound even smug about it. I think it's true, because humans are not made to kill other humans. If killing another human is not a mental challange for someone, then I say, there is something wrong with this person. NOT because mental health issues lead to violence, but violence leads to mental health issues.
@@Barret161 This would mean that humans were made to do certain things. Over our thousands of years of history, killing our own species is one of the few consistent themes we see pop up. I do agree that killing another person will usually effect the killer's mental health. However, there will be some people who see the other side as evil and thus find themselves in the right. Due to Nazi propaganda, those of Jewish decent in Germany were often considered less than human, meaning that many Nazis didn't realize what they were doing was wrong or even remotely distasteful.
@@Clashbash3170 I especially like about your comment that you distinct or maybe even criticize indirectly the concept of evil/good.
Disagree with the word Evil. I was diagnosed with MDD and BPD, I have lived with this since teenage years and I’m now 46 and only got diagnosed 7 years ago! No history of violence other than against myself, however when I’m not on meds, I get sever rage and anger. It’s a strange world we live in. From eating disorder to OCD, it’s hard to think of something I’ve not been through or live with, I have found I’ve got better as I’ve got older and make slightly better judgement calls, but I’m anti depressants and anti psychotics and have been for years and always will be. I wonder if any of these spree killers suffer from similar emotional disorders?
This has got to be the darkest rabbit hole an angry, frustrated, broken man can fall down.
Watching this two days after the Lewiston, ME shooting. 💔
It would be interesting to compare the use of weapons in self-defense versus when weapons are used to injure or kill, and how many school shootings are due to bullying.
Bulling causes depression aka mental illness
An excellent, powerful video, thank you! One other thing you could have added when talking about groups of people who kill but where we don’t automatically blame mental illness is those who kill legally: police, the military, those who participate in the death penalty. Virtually every society has certain categories of killing that it considers to be “justified”, and from your analysis it’s clear that most mass shooters consider their actions to be justified by their own ethical codes, whether those be ideological or based purely on personal grievance. The spread of extremist ideologies, whether they be incels or white supremacists or transphobes or sov cits or other parts of the overlapping alt-right spheres of hatred, spreads the idea that these killings are justified as part of a greater struggle. Add personal grievances, a social system with dire consequences for “failure”, and the normalisation of a vast supply of killing machines as part of everyday life, and you have a recipe for the widespread stochastic terrorism that we’ve already seen too much of.
💯 I veered away from mentioning the military and police because I think there's a degree of protectionism around those groups that can throw up defensive walls. But yeah, those kinds of killings are viewed as "justified" and many mass shooters likely view their acts as similarly justified.
@@neurotransmissions That is only half of it, as killing hurts the Police Officer & Solider. If the killing was a mistake, like shooting a non-combatant, they may act macho afterwards while they quietly & slowly kill themselves with alcohol...
there are these 2 boys who live on my block (we live in the suburbs ~ that’s important if u keep reading) and one of them is absolutely unhinged like he harasses us and other neighbours and when you ask him to politely stop he goes from 0 to 100 threatening you screaming it’s insane, the other boy holds him back and gets him inside. not only that but the cops & firefighters & battalion have been to their house multiple times, i called once and they were there many times after that with more emergency service. idk i just don’t know if this boy is troubled or if he’s going to be my little sisters demise because i am so afraid when i send her to school everyday that it could be that boy because he already has some weird vandetta against us (his neighbours), and he’s just so violent. like the way he is he just seems like he would do something like that, the other boy seems like he might be able to help him but i’m so scared it will become a Columbine situation. am i paranoid for my little sister because i see this boy blow up and terrorize the neighbourhood or am i onto something? i stay inside a lot but i never see these boys go out ever.. my sister took a pic of one of them in school they looked so sad and lonely. idk if these are signs or if i’m paranoid once again /: it doesn’t help the school has had multiple threats and i am so scared for her and this boy terrifies me and i don’t want her to target her. sigh
In Portugal is so rare to have a shooting, I never heard of a mass shooting here. We have crime, we have legal guns mostly owned by hunters and police force (those are the most affected by s*icide and gun violence).The blindness to gun violence and gun availability in the US is baffling to me.
@crismdr77 In the United States the 2nd amendment is a constitutional right.
@@justinedse8435 Yes, a well regulated milicia. Children with guns have nothing to do with that.
there was easier access to firearms in the 50s than now, Along with that i would have to state that I'm willing to have a conversation.
Hey i don't know if anyone is still here but i am willing to have a conversation with ANYONE including the video creator
"waiting periods, banning high capacity mags and bump stocks will reduce mass shootings" the state with the most shootings (california) already does that and also theres very few mass shootings in which the shooter used a bump stock or any full-auto gun for that matter, atleast in the us
California has tons of shootings and mass shootings. Very few shootings are carried out with full auto weapons. Only one or two stick out in my mind.
So what do you propose genius?
Im bi polar with manic tendency and i would never ever hurt someone. Even when im manic and lost my mind i still would never hurt anyone
1:12 This is in Louisville. I live here, which shooting was this from?