Why Ancient Sith Left Something Terrible In a Hidden Room In the Jedi Temple - Star Wars Explained
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Legends is the true canon.
True enough, that. I mean, the Disney-produced trilogy employed the plot device of Luke's renegade nephew going to war against the New Republic! And a reference to Darth Andeddu, in the CGI cartoon, has indirectly made the so-called "God King of Prakith" canonical. So, I see no reason to jump to the conclusion that Revan, Malgus, Bane and other Darths prior to Sidious.are permanently erased from the history of the GFFA.
Yeah legends all the way, if Disney did the thrawn trilogy they really would have sold so more movie theater seats
Legends is all that matters to me.
Disney Star Wars could not handle full on Sith Stories.
They haven't handled star wars as is
Their man/woman/androgynous plant being balls or lack thereof would burst just looking at legends.
@@yuriloosernor have they even tried to handle any Sith stories in particular.
Other than Kylo, sort of I guess.
I think you're right unfortunately
It should have never gone to Disney and doesn't belong there?
I think the "Once more the sith will rule the galaxy" within the context of legends refers to the Republic dark age druing new the sith wars. During the mellenia long period of war there was a time when the sith controlled most of the galaxy, and the Republic only consisted of a few star stystems in the colonies and the core worlds.
I love the sith wars era
I figured it was Valkorian, the only Sith Empire who forced the Galaxy to kneel twice: first by making the Republic surrender as the Sith Emperor, then forcing both the Republic and Sith Empire to kneel at the head of the Eternal Fleet.
@@LordWyatt
Yeah, either way, the Republic survived, albeit barely. Also, that's only twice the Sith ruled, when he was Eternal Emperor, Valkorian wasn't a Sith
I always thought it referred to the original trilogy "era".
This is an area I think Cal Kestis should explore i love the Jedi games I can’t wait for the 3rd one I also think the 3rd game should have a Starweird boss fight and I think it should be even more crazy and wild than the boss fight we had with Ravis if Cal goes to the sith shrine you should have to fight one of those Sith beasts that were in Kotor i really want to see more of the Sith shrine in canon tho
I think a mix of both would be very interesting include in all the favorite sith in legends but also create new lore with a point in time the sith ruled with 5000 years unaccounted for its possible to do it even if some timelines need to change
It should be noted that the core events and names of the old ‘Tales of the Jedi’ comics are still canon or at least in canon legends. Plus the reason for the long series of conflicts between the ancient Sith and Jedi as fallout from the Second Schism in Legends can be attributed to Lucas who either couldn’t keep things straight in his head or was just coming up with more reasons for the EU writers to write stories and make money for Lucasfilm. Because he had originally said that it took place in 7,000 bby, but then he changed his mind to 5,000 bby, then 4,000 bby (which is why the basics of this are still canon). But then for the prequels he changed his mind again, it was between 2,000 and 1,000 bby, and it has always been that way. So both Legends and writers for the new canon had to retcon all of that into a coherent continuity, which wasn’t Lucas’ strong suit.
And this is true in both canon and Legends;
The Second Schism:
7,000 bby
The Hundred Year Darkness.
Starting with a conflict with a group of dark Jedi. The defeated dark Jedi were exiled to the Unknown Regions and landed on the home world of the Sith and founded the Sith Order.
5,000 bby
The Great Hyperspace War.
This happened when the Republic and Jedi first came into with the Sith Empire. Which turned into a war led on the Sith side by Naga Shadow. When Sadow was defeated, he fled to Yavin 4 with his Massassi who built the Temples that we see in the movies. The Kron Nebula was formed and Ossus was devastated.
4,000 bby
The Great Sith War. Where we have Exar Kun and Ulic Qel-Droma, former Jedi turned to the Darkside, allied with the Mandalorians to start a war with Republic and the Jedi Order.
Years later Darth Revan became an infamous Sith Lord.
There are a few more details, but this is the basics of it.
In case the ‘Legends’ label didn’t make it clear enough. It’s fair to say, that we can apply this to the rest of the pre-movie era Legends EU. The basic big details are true, but the stories and minor details are legends… until Lucasfilm clarifies it with a new story.
In my mind only the Original Trilogy and Prequel Trilogy are true retellings from the Book of the Whills. With the Clone Wars being the next clearest account. Everything else are stories based on partial information and notes that Lucas found in an old droid data processor that came here a long long time ago from a galaxy far far away. And so both the Legends EU and the new canon with its own new EU are just alternate universes of might have happened, based on that partial information and notes made by Lucas.
The Legends continuity > X ∞ Disney Star Wars
Every time I see this title it makes me think a Sith took a dark-side dump in a corner.
If it weren't for Kotor and Swtor I would not even care about Star Wars Disney
and Filoni have killed the stories I enjoyed as a kid
Perhaps Tales of Jedi Season 2 could explore it? That series is the perfect place to explore a concept like this.
No it doesn't Dave filoni doesn't understand the old republic lore he will ruin it
Tales of the Jedi was WAY too short. It is not a good concept for big worldbuilding.
The concept I am referring to is the Sith Temple underneath the Jedi Temple that drained the Jedi's strength. Tales of the Jedi could show us a Jedi who knew, visited and attempted to purify it. With each of 3 episodes, they could show the effect of Sith temple on both him or her and the other Jedi, over the course of this particular Jedi's entire life.
I am not referring to the Sith Wars. They would need to at a least series or a trilogy for that, and who knows how that would turn out.
are they making a Tales of the Jedi Season 2?
@@arthurbrax6561Yes, it has been confirmed. "'Tales of the Jedi was so fun the first time, I decided to do some more,' series creator Dave Filoni." It is expected next year.
I will never call Korriban by that other name
I wonder why George changed it. Back in the 90s he had a lot of say on all the new EU stuff being made and he had input in the Tale of the Jedi series which is when Korriban is introduced.
Andor made the Rakata canon, time for them to shine.
He left an ancient fart jar. Pure concentrated dark side energy.
Great video! Certainly hope they would canonize Legend prior to the prequels and make content about it!
Please, make a Star Wars lore about everything and anything at all!
I won't lie: the constant jabs at the "new canon" had me giggle. 🤭
This is genius. I have been waiting for this.
I would love to see more of this. There’s so much more room to explore and don’t let KK touch it even though it’s in the hands of Disney. If you want to introduce new characters and go off script and not totally screw things up I think this would be a really good place to start, and to begin a new
Most of legends was books, you just need to read them. No they will never be made into movies, but KK can't destroy them.
bandwagoner-youtuber this 'wave' guy isnt ''eroding'' anything related to the only real canon - The EU canon. Nor is anything doing it - disney is a failure. +
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You can do it both ways, because it is impossible that the Jedi would remember their history correctly, it would make this dichotomy, like in Rashomon, there you tell the same story many times from many perspectives, like the Gospels, and the reader much choose, what he feels is the truth and all those different ways impacting different characters who choose different sides for different reasons. It would give the Jedi saying "This is just your truth, form a certain point of view!" a new sinister meaning.
I like the new one, it has a ring to it - gives us interesting perspective... and it seems fair from story standpoint: if Sith are that powerful how come they never won? and now they did
The Jedi can exist together in relative harmony, and knowledge would be shared amongst each other. Grow as an order, become wiser as a whole.
Sith, at least the ancient Sith, work for oneself, infighting always held the Sith back.
You may have ultimate power at your fingertips, but if you fight others constantly, and have to worry about betrayal at every corner, you get little done as an order.
Sith when coming together is fearsome and nigh unstoppable, SWTOR showed that quite well, with both sides of the Sith
Then Darth Bane created the rule of two. Shame darth plagious and sidious ruined the sith legacy
A war by definition is a great many skirmishes and or battles
I've always been stunned by the lack of confidence in the old republic era. To ne it seems a no-brainer that old republic stuff would be an absolute frigging printing press for money. Disney IMHO is absolute idiots for dragging their feet on doing the old school star wars stuff. Their is almost nowhere in established canon and legends that would not make billions.
It's not lack of confidence, while SWTOR is still running they'll never touch the canon Old Republic because they think normies will get confused by different timelines. And yes, canon Old Republic isn't just going to be adapting Legends stories, and yes, there will be a lot of backlash from Legends fans when this happens. I'm sorry but canon covering Old Republic is too risky. Revan is way more beloved than something like Yuuzhan Vong.
Anyone got a link or the name of this background music?
Disney is going to absolutely fumble this ball harder than Mark Sanchez could ever dream
I absolutely love the way the Jedi temple is build over a with one lmao 😂 it’s great really Palp is getting his ancestral home back
What was the first great schism?
If memory serves, there was a major Dar Side Nexus under the Jedi Temple in Legends too. I dont remember all the lore behind it, but it was there.
Yep, the Force Well was a plot point in the New Jedi Order books after the Yuuzhan Vong invaded Coruscant. Curiously, it wasn't a Dark Side Nexus, or at least didn't appear to be one when Lord Nyax was trying to access it. It was described as a source of pure power, neither Light nor Dark, which boosted Luke, Mara, and Tahiri the same way it did Nyax when it was opened, though Luke still opined that the Jedi had been protecting the planet from it.
Nyax was killed there by a Yuuzhan Vong capital ship after Tahiri had wounded him, and according to Luke, Nyax imbued the area with his killing intent as he died, which presumably corrupted the Force Well into a Dark Side Nexus.
In the next book, Vergere lures the escaped captive Jacen Solo into an ambush there and restores his access to the Force. He flies into a killing rage and unleashes Force Lightning against Vergere and the Yuuzhan Vong. He later laments falling under the control of the Dark Side, but Vergere insists that the Jedi would never have built their Great Temple atop a Dark Side Nexus and what Jacen felt was the wild, unrestrained Force, which provided fuel for his own true desire.
Given Vergere's status as a lying liar that lies, it's hard to tell if she was being deliberately deceptive in that case or if she was genuinely wrong in thinking the Force Well was still neutral.
That would be cool if they showed the Sith shrine in a future show 🤞
What Cannon?
Yuh Mean Disney
Ain’t Nobody Care about That Trash
I like this depiction of the Sith. It’s like a kingdom trying to get back the land their ancestors once conquered for them.
much like the Palestine
@@rjf7023🙄
@@rjf7023Read a book.
i read them all i am unbiased and believe in facts and logic, i am not swayed by imaginary gods or cult-like religions @@sisigs4820
The Jedi building their temple on the remains of a Sith Temp was arguably one of their dumbest mistakes. The hubris! Nothing bad could Possibly happen there eh? 🤣🤣
Maybe it's a bit of a stretch, but this feels to me like something that could come up in the Disney+ stuff.
I once heard on another SW channel someone propose that the very best of the best of the Jedi just go down tot he Sith Shrine and meditate at it in an attempt to turn it into a nexus of light. And I mean a lot of Jedi do it.
I don't like how the New Cannon has basically ignored almost all of the EU cannon.
1:51 Is that a Klingon on the far right, with the gold armor?
around the 2 and 3 minute mark, what are those shows? like 3:00, 3:05, 3:12 etc?
or 7:30?
They're not shows. They're trailers for The Old Republic MMO and its expansions over the years.
It would have been interesting to delve into the real historical parallels to the idea of one religion building on top of another. This has occurred over and over in human history, obviously serving as inspiration for the fictional concept.
But if they build them on top it’s to see if there Padawan would fall to darkness or able find there way back to there master
You should make a video about the known Sith temples across the galaxy in Legends and Canon
They should bring back the un named dark je'dai of old
. Say they were in stasis or something. Or even a sith pure blood that was locked away somehow because..the force.
Someone has to step up and make a dark movie on the Sith. Why not, it will be so interesting and fill in many gaps to give us more depth of how deep this rabbit hole of a universe our Starwars passion really is.
I really want to see the ancient sith lords in future of star wars let's we them in acolyte series
You want Disney to ruin it
That show is gonna be cw star wars lol not a lick of hope there from Harvey's personnal assistant
@@brimstonewinpete9306Who is Harvey?
You better read a book and use your imagination, thats the only way you'll see it under Disney. This channel is literally the only thing keeping Star Wars alive by going through the great history as it was
@@chiquita683 I already own them and love them thanx bc its actually great unlike anything from disney it is great advice for any sw fan and theory has gone back to basics as well with the lore and comics
Korriban>Moraband>Moribund wow can’t believe it took me this long to figure it out I’m dense
So ied like to see a galaxy ran by the Sith if only to see a larger view of the Sith, one of the reasons I like the SWTOR mmo is that we get the opportunity to see light side Sith and dark side Jedi after all its not a binary thing there is a whole Spectrum of different shades in there and of course there is an extremely fine line that’s a balancing point between both light and dark.
Also for the most part we have only seen one type of Sith when there are so meny ideas and approaches case in point how I play my Sith in SWTOR she is still very much in it for her own good and for power but she dose it in a far more gentle way, getting her minions to love her, someone willing to throw their life’s away out of love is far more useful a tool that someone only doing it out of fear, the fearful will run away the first change they get but if they worship you they will fight on to the bitter end, she also looks after her tools as a craftsman wants to keep their tools in good condition so they work better, what good is a broken tool?
But if the softly softly approach doesn’t work then she will go full on Vader rage mode on you.
So if the Clone Wars episode had happened then Ahsoka would have gone down and discovered the Sith Shrine, wouldn't that change everything since she would have told the Jedi council? since it seems by the time of the Clone Wars the Jedi forgot about the shrine
I don't think so the Jedi were so arrogant they couldn't see their own hand in front of their face at that time the fools the sith will rule the galaxy
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thank you for preventing someone from saying first
no problem
This would actually make a lot of sense... That the darkness from below would be the cause of the corruption of some of the Jedi students/masters being on Coruscant. Sort of like "the call is coming from within the house" type of thing and the jedi more inclined to fall would hear its whispers louder than others. Slowly eating away at them. The Acolyte show will be a more Sith focused tale and I just hope they do it right and leave all sorts of woke as far away from it as possible. There is nothing woke about Siths and their culture. It is kill or be killed, survival of the fittest. But we'll see, it is all up to the writing which I hope is on point. It can be about a Jedi Droids fall to the Dark side for all that I care if the writing is good...
Still dancing to Han Solo on the connect my feet eyes and ears are bleeding
Legends, don't trust Disney much after everything they've done.
It is an interesting concept that in a way the Light was build on the top of Darkness, but it robs the story of the metaphysical. Firstly, it kind off changes the idea that the Light and the Dark are equal opposite forces, it makes Darkness the origin. It sounds a bit like Coruscant was built on Dromund Kaas. Secondly, the Force doesn't need a physical Dark Side Nexus to influence the Jedi. The higher planes should be causal, not the physical structure and there should me more emphasis on personal choices, not on being influenced by physical Sith Temple radio-waves and algorithm. It is still interesting thou and is a food for thought.
Now you say this "Once more the Sith shall rule the galaxy..." how I never paid attention to this sentence ? 🤣It is not mention, as far as I remember, even once in the novel Darth Plagueis...
Palpatine says it in Revenge of the Sith, novel and film.
@@TheStupendousWave Yes I remmeber it quiet well in the movie, but I don't recall any other mention of this previous ruling of the Sith anywhere else, including during Sidious training (that's why I mentioned Darth Plagueis novel) 🤔
Oh
empress acina seems to be the most competent sith ruler so far, maybe she is the one who wins the war.
Man Kathleen Kennedy really did some Exar Kun stuff. Shes got all of the disney board under mind control..Where's the jedi when you need them? Maybe she can be brought back to the lightside....
She has never even heard of the light.
idk what kind of dirt she has on the Disney executives but star wars because a lot of people at lucasfilm have left/fired but she still remains. I guess if the Acolyte series bombs and the new Rey movie ends up like the marvels then she might be fired
Would you not say that when palpatine was emperor was when the sith ruled the galaxy?
there is a lot more than 5k years left in the timeline. a lot more.
Perhaps it wasn't the Sith who came from the Jedi, but the other way around?
A mix would most likely lead to confusion and fan back lash George L. holds the ultimate authority i think he should choose the path and before he passes into the light(the force) he should empower a new head with the closet vision to his. cheers
I don't think we will see a lot of these characters. Disney doesn't want to pay royalties.
It's easy to enjoy legends content regarding the sith and their conflict with the Jedi. There's been a ton of it over several decades, and people have grown to enjoy it. In that vein, legends had the benefit of being much more open and accepting of a wider array of writers, whereas canon was much more closely guarded and guided. The canon approach is only as viable as the current guides for it are attentive.
The canon approach to Sith has always been very limited compared to the Jedi, which isn't necessarily a bad thing. The Jedi started out as very mysterious and mystical entities in the original trilogy, and the Sith were the same but bad guys.
As more canon content regarding the Jedi has been released, the drought of Sith content has become much more noticeable. It's unfortunate, but Disney probably won't feel inclined to explore the Sith to a degree that would enrich their position as the opposition to Jedi.
What if the star wars legends is just stories that the people in the universe started to tell and the jedi not letting anyone know that they actually lost to the sith because as time goes know little to no more people can actually say what happened during the time so I believe that it's the jedi putting themselves in the good light to cover up their shame
Disney Star Wars isn’t Canon
I so badly want to watch these videos and get into this again, but I simply can’t get past all the rewriting and cherry picking of Star Wars history. It’s just exhausting now. If Lucas had a problem with something 20-30 years ago, he should have put his foot down back then when he actually had control.
Since Star Wars came out George always licensed out the IP and never really cared what people did because he didn't consider it real Star Wars. This happened to the original 1977 Star Wars marvel comic. George never really had any input. It wasn't until the 90s when the Thrawn books and later Reborn Emperor Palpatine came out that he got into it because he found out Palpatine had been resurrected and that is something he would have never done. After that all the new EU stuff had to be approved by him. Soon after we had Tales of the Jedi made which greatly expanded the old Sith and their origins. Even still George didn't consider it canon but it still made him a ton of money before the prequels came out.
Cannon is basically all sorts of F'ed up... THIS is what's basically killed the franchise. Destruction of Lore for pale, cherry picked imitations at best all for BS sake from those that don't really know or care about the franchise
When will they figure out that the force is both light and dark and they need to just get along and deal with it.
I’m tired of the damn violence and hatred and seethe and cope.
Get the hell over it already.
You’ve had 30,000 years to figure this out.
I find it absolutely OFFENSIVE that their Darkshe Light Sabre are in a Crucifix model. Darkness is evil not light.
Legends is Canon. Anything Disney is trash
Exactly!
Except Visions
"Legends"... to me it is canon! And the new "canon" is just garbage to me!
Honestly, though, can anyone really rule and control a galaxy? Too many planets and points of view.
If Disney had not wrecked the franchise, someone could have gone back and produced a history of the Sith from Bane to the rise of Sidious. It could have been 4 - 6 movies.
We need a good Old Republic RPG, it is like Lucasfilm has a gold mine but they just don't want to use it 🤬
The missing Clone Wars episodes.... Thats good news
This is very impressive. So the Sith won 100 Year Darkness? This is interesting. They ruled and Jedi rebelled and freed the galaxy. Sith never completely conquered the galaxy. I like this new history. I like George Lucas thoughts. Interesting timeline and history. May the Force be with you too
The cold war ur talking about is what sideous is this talking about when the sith ruled the Galaxy
Honestly in a way I find this more interesting!
The thought of the Sith actually Wining and casting out the Jedi but the Jedi returns and defeats them so they go into hiding for 1000 years to Finally return and take control again seems very poetic!.
I do think they should add some things like maybe the Sith try to return again but they’re weaker then before so Multiple Sith vs Jedi wars still happen. But the main Sith Vs Jedi war is a war the Sith win.
I truly hope that one day George Lucas gains back everything Star Wars, and that he will be able to fix what Disney screwed up.
I would like to make an important distinction. There are no "cannon" and "legends". There is Disney Star Wars and the original Star Wars time-line. Disney Star Wars is not Star Wars. It's a caricature, a set of movies that have a Star Wars skin, but don't have the core message, the spirit and the continuity of Star Wars. It's just mainstream propaganda covered in Star Wars.
It strikes me that both the sith and jedi have a very very flawed understanding of "interconnectness"
#alanwatts
Well, I sure hope Dave Filoni and his team of collaborators find a way to include this unused Clone Wars story of The Sith Shrine in the secret passage of The Jedi Temple...perhaps within a special hour-long chapter of Tales Of The Jedi, The Bad Batch, a brand new miniseries, or a significant one-off Animated special short film. I wonder what happened to all of those especially evil artifacts of The Sith and Dark Side Alchemy? When Palpatine took over the galaxy, did he take possession of all of them, and where did he hide them? Again, this is where The Prophets Of The Dark Side and The Acolytes Of The Beyond become significant (and dangerous) in the period after the defeat of The Empire. Yes, I would love to see a combo of EU canon and George Lucas' existent materials mapping out his concept for the history between The Jedi and The Sith, over the millennia...
May The Force Be With You, Good Sir.
You want filoni to ruin the old republic
@@alsimmonshellspawn6021 Filoni did put the Selkath in The Clone Wars and I think that was the only thing from KOTOR to make it to canon so far.
Of course sideous went down there the imperial Palace was the old Jedi Temple the last f*** you to the Jedi it was great
Legands is canon thats been proven time and time agian
So much star wars legend but instead go with made up Rey... either they want to do something new or made just as much as reliving the past as every other studio does
Spoiler alert: it was a dark deuce. A turd so stinky it drives jedi mad.
George Lucas James Luciano and Timothy zahn that's Canon
Hi guys a dragon ball fan I enjoy both franchises alot. Listen please do not play into the whole "cannon" thing it's dumb and all it leads to are arguments. Something we db fans do alot 😂😂
The worst Fandom I've witnessed is Legend of Zelda fans over timeline placement of the games. Nintendo only poured rocket fuel on to the dumpster fire argument with an official timeline.
Also forgot this but apparently Death battle is doing a third goku vs superman because the Dragon Ball community saw goku got another transformation recently. It airs today if you're interested.
Day 325 of asking for a part 3 of what if anakin was trained by qui gon
There is no "New" cannon.
There is only Disney's lazy twisting and bastardized treatment of the real cannon.
Almost every comment here just bashes Disney or some other part of SW...it's a friggin fantasy story, grow up or let it go. It was never going to make everyone happy.
Legends is the true canon. Disney is a joke.
So if you take sith artifacts and dump them into a sun that should do the job.
Hopefully Disney execs keep their greedy paws off of Star Wars as much as possible and not ruin it all like other franchises.
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Elon musk needs to buy disney already
Legends is Cannon anything else is a bastardized version and it's garbage teach your children right
"revealed" you mean made up by Disney. its not canon, Disney cannot write anything on par with what George has created
Legends is Cannon. Screw Woke Disney's weak sauce "cannon"
*Canon. Cannon is something else
You take too long to get to the point , too much talk !!
All this struggle is for funding once campaign's... Don't waste your time and money #TDBank💳 is present... 🌎💘💰
Legends all the way and is the original canon . The new " Canon" is trash
Disney canon is garbage. So, ignore it.