Putin and the Presidents: Julia Ioffe (interview) | FRONTLINE
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- Julia Ioffe is an American journalist who was born in Russia. She is a writer for and founding partner of the media company Puck. She previously reported on politics and world affairs for The Atlantic.
The following interview was conducted by the Kirk Documentary Group’s Michael Wiser for FRONTLINE on Sept. 28, 2022. It has been edited for clarity and length.
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We need another updated interview!
indeed. since then Ukraine stalemate, speaker Johnson holding aid, Navalny murdered, human rights campaigner Oleg Orlov sentenced to Prison, NATO expansion, elections coming up, etc..
I have to admit it…I’m a huge Julia Ioffe fan. For someone to be able to talk for so long with such clarity and wisdom on a subject is amazing. Could listen to her talk for hours.
That simply means you are not a very bright individual. JL is at best a mediocre prop bimbo; granted with capacity for endless silly bloviation.
*watching* her speak is all the better
I could listen to her read the phone book...
Glad I'm not the only one. So sexy.
Totally agree! Remarkable and lucid!
0:22: ! Vladimir Putin sees the conflict in Ukraine as a war with the United States, not Ukraine.
7:32: 😡 Vladimir Putin despises Mikhail Gorbachev and sees him as someone who destroyed Russia, while also believing that Gorbachev was promised by the West that NATO would not expand eastward.
16:07: 🔑 Vladimir Putin's attempts to project strength and forge an alliance with the US were undermined by events such as the invasion of Iraq and color revolutions in former Soviet republics.
24:04: 🌍 The US initially underestimated Russia's threat and focused on terrorism and the Middle East, leaving Russia feeling ignored and provoked.
31:39: 🤝 During the period of dual-track engagement between the US and Russia, there were misunderstandings and differing values between the two countries, leading to a lack of trust and cooperation.
40:07: 🇷🇺 Putin perceives Obama as a young, stupid Black man; Putin learns to work around sanctions; Putin manipulates and undermines Trump; Putin sees Trump as a wrecking ball for America and NATO.
49:01: 😣 Biden and his foreign policy team enter the White House with the understanding that no reset is possible with Putin, and their main goal is to contain Russia until Putin is no longer in power.
55:26: 🛡 Putin's motivations and miscalculations in the Ukraine conflict.
1:03:11: 😳 The speaker believes that Putin's weakness and loss of control could make him more dangerous, possibly leading to the use of nuclear weapons. There are concerns about the future of the Biden presidency and the potential for a Trump-like leader to take office. The speaker believes the Biden administration has done a good job managing the war and worries about a less resolute successor. The speaker does not think Putin would use a nuclear weapon on an empty island but on the battlefield. It is important for the American president to respond to such an action to set a precedent. There are moderates and extremists around Putin, but the speaker believes the extremists have more influence.
Recap by Tammy AI
Ok
Seeing how straight garbage the Russian military is it’s obvious the US military would beat the shit out of the Russian military. That’s why Russians are constantly spewing the words nuclear weapons out their mouths because they know that’s all they could do against the US because in a conventional war they’d get their asses handed to them in a matter of days or weeks worse case
And now seven months later we can see how stupid is everything she said and you quoted. This stupidity costs Ukraine hundreds of thousands of lives, loss of 20% of her territory and quite possibly complete loss of sea access, and Russia falling in China’s arms. Hard to be more idiotic than this.
🤣🤣🤣
thank you
I have learned a lot in this interview about the current situation than i could have ever learned anywhere else. Good job Julia truly an eye opener. Real Journalism. Thank you.
Julie 📝😘
I love Julia Ioffe. One of the best analysts on Russia today.
Does she read and speak the language?
The most racist people are the evil slave trading Dutchjews.
@@zhoubaidinh403 She's a fluckin liar spewing propaganda of the Chosenevil, don't be fooled by the scripted interview.
@@zhoubaidinh403 yes.
@@zhoubaidinh403 she's a Russian Jew like my wife
Julia is a little piece of gold we have on our side, thank goodness for her and her invaluable insight. I could listen to her all day!
Same! She is so clear and articulate.
She has a gift for communication!
George W Bush was rigged into office when Putin became president. They skipped that one, even dumber than Obama & Trump and all souled out their souls and Americans.
@@lilyrrichard236 Dude, define an articulate liar memorizing a script without emotion.
This whole flattering comment section was orchestrated by dumbedown gaysoy bois, fer sure & ignoramuses.
🤣😂🤣
Just discovered this woman , such a brillant lady,
Julia Ioffe is really the best. Unbelievably intelligent, knowledgeable, insightful, nuanced, eloquent, articulate, well spoken.
Lol… 25 times they mashed that like and not a man can just come out and say it. 🤣 Um… ya. She’s a babe.
Fully agreed 👍
@@WitchyWagonReal Totally. She'll push you around.
Ugh, I could listen to Julia Ioffe ALL day! She’s seriously amazing on every level. Additionally, it’s so nice to see some long-form interviews being produced. Everyone is obsessed with short videos, and their attention span and concentration is suffering as a result. We need more Julia Ioffe, as well as other extended interviews with guests of Julia’s calibre.
And she is pretty too
Trump has trouble answering female journalists questions as he has in his personal life a male chauvinist
How about reading an article from Michael Maccfaul and Ben Hodges for greater brain exercise?
Putin invaded Ukraine to return back to USRR when he supposes to honor Ukraine agreement with the US and UK that he wouldn’t invade Ukraine if they gave up their nuclear and Ukraine did that.
Was Putin a narcissist psychopath? What is the benefit of analysis this psychopath over and over again?
@@david-eh1vg do not believe Putin and do not believe stalin
@@david-eh1vg this makes it a difficult position for Russians to be in when no one believes u in Canada such a president would be thrown out of government
Julia Loffe's understanding of Russian culture and mentality is amazing and very accurate. She is a true expert on Russia and her observations of Putin are impeccable. I haven't heard anyone describe the deeper reasons behind the current status quo, ie Ukrainian war, so well. Thank you Julia Loffe. I was born in former Czechoslovakia, father of my children is from Moscow, I speak fluent Russian and I do know well Russians ways of thinking. Julia is 100% correct. Thank you PBS for this very important interview, it should be heard World wide. I am forwarding this to everyone who may be confused about the issue. Greetings from Sydney, Australia 🌈
Completely agree. What she shares matches all of my understandings of Putin and the mentality of Russians shared with me from relatives in slavic countries in Europe.
Julia has great insight. Another fantastic commentator is Masha Gesson. Masha has given some interviews to PBS that really helped me understand Putin as much as one can.
Mmmm let’s be honest to ourselves so we can all find an off ramp..
1st of all the Americans bombed Hiroshima and then fried the Marshal islands like true psychopaths to gain insights into the effects of radiation on living people. Nobody gives two rips about America opinion, they only want to ensure the Americans no longer pose an existential threat to their people.
This conflict will end when the people of Donbas have been liberated from the torture they have had to endure which no western diplomatic has acknowledged or placed genuine interest in resolving.
This has actually been a rather ungraceful decent from complete supremacy for the Anglo-Saxons in general. And honestly having had everything stolen from me and my mother who raised us while putting herself through university and I staunchly testify to the corruption of the pigs that run the justice system and the banking sector in North America.
Prayers for a world with less hegemony and more accountability 🙏🏽
When you have the entire Western mainstream media demonizing Russia, no mainstream journalist will be foolish enough to go against the narrative
@@ViolentCabbage-ym7ko This situation is embarrassing and we should never let this happen again. This is by no stretch a win for anyone.
That moment when expansion meets a brick wall. Not that they didn’t realize how overstretched it all was to begin with, but only now everyone understands it.
Julia Ioffe's work demonstrates a high level of intelligence, insight, and analytical skill, and she has rightly earned a reputation as a leading voice in the field of modern journalism. Just brilliant.
What? Hehe nonsensical at all this is what propaganda stuff public all is opposite what she incompetent acting as international politician sorrowful for Putin Russia aggressors
What about the exit ramps the west and US kicked on their way to bringing NATO, a remnant of Cold War machine, to the doors of Russia. She is so one-sided. International politics as geopolitics are not so linear. If that were the case, the Cold War with the Soviet Union would have ended in nuclear holocaust.
Lmao you are trolling right?🤣
We are talking about the same woman who was caught red handed lying about having proof Trump paid Russia to rig the 2016 election....?
And she is yet to print a retraction after they discovered her entire story was absolute bs... I didnt even vote for Trump but unlike ppl like you i actually hold ppl accountable when they do somthing wrong... Somthing u know nothing about 🤷♂️
Julia Loffe’s work is the most disgusting form of state dept propaganda. She is not a journalist she is a tool of war machine. Shame on her.
Then why does she think we didn't agree not to advance NATO to the East, even though we have declassified the minutes of that meeting?
Well Ms. Julia,
yet again and still ,Your interpritation and well understood the sudalties of the Russian Culture.
No other Columnist has the sure of your self style.
You Are #1 in my book .
thanks .
SLAVA UKRAINE🇺🇦♥️🇪🇺🌈☮️🖖🇺🇸🤭
C&E*Ca.USA
My first time hearing this woman, Julia Ioffe speak. Amazing, very articulate, informed and intelligent which made this such a pleasure to watch. Not seen an interview like this in a very long time, Thank You Julia!
watch her previous interviews, they're even better
GOOD LUCK TO YOU IT'S ALL PROPAGANDA
@@mindpower1933 the caps will not strengthen your BS, try harder, St Petersburg troll
@@mindpower1933 everything is propaganda, even the truth. We just need to learn using intelligence and research to find our own belief. Sadly some find the first thing they see as truth.
Prigozhin employees. Working hard for that worthless rubble, I mean ruble...
I am on the edge of my seat for every interview with Julia. She is the most knowledgable and cogent person to address this issue in the United States. Thank you so much Julia for all that you do!
كذاب و يدافع عن كذابة هههههههههه بوتين نكح امريكا و هي حامل ههههههههه و المولود سيولد عن قريب
All I hear in this interview is a woman who is not listening and is either so brainwashed or so ignorant of history she has no idea what she is talking about. Ignorant of the Cuba Crisis event when Russia was going to put missiles in America's neighbouring country Cuba like NATO is now trying to do in Russia's neighbouring country Ukraine and what America thought of this, ignorant of agreements made after world war 2, ignorant of Russia's history of supporting countries that are fighting their colonisers, ignorant of the world map and whose arms and missiles were getting closer and closer to whose boarder before this conflict happened, ignorant of who was responsible for the illegal over throw of an elected government in Ukraine and so the civil war that ensued in Ukraine if you can call it that because one side who supported the toppled democratically elected leader was almost defenceless civilians while the other which was the Ukraine government bombed it and riddled it with mines, just ignorance, ignorance, ignorance in everything she says on this topic. It is so amazing she can have such ignorance when all the information is out there and even a twelve year old could find it. Peace and love
@@richardmoonstone52 Yes Richard, I think that "ignorance" is the working word here. But I think the point about Putin being a "communications expert" is valid?
7 months later has become clear who was lying and it wasn’t Putin
These long form interviews are always great. I hope they never stop them.
Putins animosity was laid bare, demands citizens with same sentiments, , wtf, things might hv been different, like getting into outer space before destroying Earth
I love all her interviews. So knowledgeable and communicated so down to earth. I learn so much from her. Thanks PBS to make these raw interviews available
LMAO!!! Her knowledgeable? You mean like when she got caught flat out red handed lying about Trump having the Russians rig the 2016 election? Then the same "knowledgeable" woman that went on to label anyone she disagrees with a "election denier" 😂
She looks like a white version of teanna Trump
"May I add something else?" Class-act lady. Clearly the smartest person in the room, but polite to everyone.
Yeah, she's quite the intellect!
LMAO!!! You mean like when she got caught flat out red handed lying about Trump having the Russians rig the 2016 election? Then the same "knowledgeable" woman that went on to label anyone she disagrees with a "election denier" 😂
If she is the smartest person in the room she must be doing a interview with a special Ed class & even then I would question if she's still the smartest lmfao
Defender of Russia aggressors who put her to talk heresies to misslead Americans 😢
It sounded to me she asked permission from the puppet master. The whole thing sounded scripted to me. Just sayin.
@@ronafortnitenoobie1392 ...says the dumbest person in the room !
Julia is amazingly articulate and a national treasure. So nice to see her in a current interview, most CZcams content with her is 9+ months old.
I noticed the same thing, and totally agree
Indeed!
😂😃😄😄😅😅😆😆😆😉😉😉😉😉😉😉
Agreed, though this interview was conducted Sept 28, 2022
You do realize she's spewing all the usual cheap carricaturish cartoonish garbage about Russia and Putin. Old.. boring.. Unrelated to any reality.
So well informed and articulate, I could listen to this lady for hours. 5 stars ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐
All I hear in this interview is a woman who is not listening and is either so brainwashed or so ignorant of history she has no idea what she is talking about. Ignorant of the Cuba Crisis event when Russia was going to put missiles in America's neighbouring country Cuba like NATO is now trying to do in Russia's neighbouring country Ukraine and what America thought of this, ignorant of agreements made after world war 2, ignorant of Russia's history of supporting countries that are fighting their colonisers, ignorant of the world map and whose arms and missiles were getting closer and closer to whose boarder before this conflict happened, ignorant of who was responsible for the illegal over throw of an elected government in Ukraine and so the civil war that ensued in Ukraine if you can call it that because one side who supported the toppled democratically elected leader was almost defenceless civilians while the other which was the Ukraine government bombed it and riddled it with mines, just ignorance, ignorance, ignorance in everything she says on this topic. It is so amazing she can have such ignorance when all the information is out there and even a twelve year old could find it. Peace and love
Same
And, even if I were deaf, I could look at this lady for hours.
Then you're a willing dupe.
I could watch her speak all day 😊
She’s beautiful and smart!
You mean…LISTEN to her talk. Correct?
🏫📝💁🏻♂️🙆🏻♀️
Sad how obsessed Putin is with the US when we barely think about them at all.
I could listen to Julia all day. She is so measured in her responses, she never over-reaches or claims to know things she doesn’t.
Me too!
We all love her until she brings in her own personal political views.
@@Dive-Bar-Casanova Speak for yourself.
@Kaci come on articulate, not a link, grown up words
@Kaci Your reply belies your lie.
Although thank you for alerting everyone that all you have to express is bluster.
I had never heard of Julia before. I'm incredibly impressed. I follow the news pretty closely, but I've never heard anyone explain so thoroughly how we got here.
Agreed, super interesting listen that puts a lot of the pieces together,will definitely be looking into her more.
and shes fuggin sexy, you hear that accent*
Careful, she is a shill......
This is not news it's neocon propaganda.
@@jmy7622 - Lets be fair, there is a lot of truth in there but for the uneducated looking for the real story, they are f'kt!!
What a great interview and expert to listen to. To be able to zoom out to the geo-political aspects when necessary, or zoom in tight on the origin story and motivations of an undersized street kid. Just. Wow. Compelling, educative, sobering.
You can concentrate I was just imagining what she look like naked😂
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Haha she just bashes republicans
And
Praises democrats. The fact she said Biden brought in the best of the best if so stupid
Ваши оскорбления в адрес Путина, говорят о том, что вы зависливый не состоявшийся в жизни неудачник!
I've NEVER understood US and Russian relationships until this. Well done!
это пропаганда
Every time Julia speaks, it's an intellectual feast!! Great talk, thank you!!!
Except she’s inaccurate saying They (Russians )weren’t giving verbal assurance that’s we all read at library of congress 😂 Nato wouldn’t go one inch ….she lost several points there ..peace
She is a liar and always presenting putin's view real well
@@Johnfo4m Yep she is absolutely lying about that promise not being made!
@@silencingdissent no you are just gullible enough to believe what Russian propaganda tells you 🤡
Amazing!
What a treasure to have thoughtful, unhurried questions being answered in such a cogent and articulate manner. This is greatly appreciated. From Japan
Couldn't agree more
@@marshuswp3325 The NPR/PBS type is a parrot manipulated by presentation alone.
Agree😊
no it's not, BOT!!!
Nobody wins in a war
Very articulate and detailed analysis of Putin and his motivations. This is essential for trying to find a solution to the dreadful situation we are now all in.
It is a pity that US commentators give little analysis, specifically geopolitical long term analysis, of European potentialities and failures. In 1950, Robert Schuman, the European initiator of NATO and founder of the European Community, spoke of his grand democratic design that started with reconciliation with Germany (that hardly ever knew democracy) and much more, an economic rebirth never seen before in history.
In 1950s he saw that the Central and Eastern European Countries (CEEC) would be able to join in a revived, peaceful European Community. As for the USSR, he said in the mid-1950s that the Soviet Union would fail before the end of the century. So it did.
"We must be ready' he said, for that event.
Sure enough the countries of Eastern and Central Europe were able to join.
As for Russia and Ukraine, they joined the Council of Europe and agreed to the application of international law of the Human Rights Convention. But then Russia was continually rebuffed in the 2000s. European leaders seemed to be afraid of repeating the successful experiment for peace that turned post-Nazi Germany (the largest and most powerful power) into a loyal partner in economic development. France was joined with Italy, the Benelux and then UK, Ireland, Denmark and the CEEC. Germany became a partner not an eternal enemy.
The existing European Community in 2000s could have done the same by extending the European Communities (Coal and Steel, Euratom and the Single Customs Market) to a full European Energy Community (based on gas, petroleum and coal) under the same or similar democratising institutions that had such great results with Germany and the Soviet Bloc of the CEEC. That would have used the energy vector for peace. Instead it is now the vector for war. In fact this Energy Community extending to Russia was proposed under the Dutch Prime Minister Ruud Lubbers. But the other leaders shrugged it off.
The Biden administration seems to think that destroying the NordStream pipelines will help Biden achieve an end to war and his successful re-election, according to Seymour Hersh. Instead it exposes the level of corruption, and disillusion, not only in USA, but Ukraine and Russia too. Many officials are no regretting as this sabotage and its perpetrators are being exposed. Using NATO as an instrument of imperialistic planning is not what Schuman intended.
The European countries are following the same path of corruption or submission to US corruption and geopolitical ignorance -- and it won't lead to peace.
What is needed is geopolitical analysis and action to turn this terrible tide. The main beneficiary of this self-destruction that turns Russia as a European and Christian power into and enemy of both USA and the West is China. The Chinese Communist party are laughing all the way to achieving what they believe is their dream, world power. The Chinese people are also the dire victims of CCP manipulative autocracy.
Very good interview...refreshing to see Julia to be so knowledgeable and understand geo-politics and Putins mind so well.
She's a propaganda specialist . She's lying.
😂
The way she says" he is.." "he was"..."he thought... doesn't mean at all she is aware of what he does, thinks and considers. Even ppl in Russia don't, so why would she particulary, know ? There are simply several russian journalists, who never saw him in person, who spread equal information in russian , but they do not back it with some proofs. Please note that each country supports its propaganda to justify their policy. With this war, I even start thinking i will stop get interested by politics. Any idiot could start a war and bunch of other idiots would justify why they can also start a war, and then they change ppls lives without asking. What is the use of trusting politicians and spending time of our lives in news if they will do stupid things anyway...
ahahah. It was really funny.
@@SmeWnulya
Kremlin butcher : so much Russian blood on his dirty hands...🤢
I know she likes journalism, but she should be working for the State dept or intelligence agencies.
Edit: idiots in the comments have no idea of the core responsibilities of State and CIA. It's analysis you fools.
But if so, then the public won't get this unmatched treasure of an interview.
I know, right!
She basically is. She's a state propagandist.
She does.
ah.. perhaps she is... hmmm. This is indeed insightful
Julia Ioffe is always worth watching. thank you!
Stunning intellect and insight. Outstanding interview! Brilliant series overall!
Spare me. If she was 70 years old, im sure you would have a different reaction.
This is the second time I've listened to a full interview with Julia Loffe on PBS. Once again i find her openly frank speaking insights into Putins` Russia enlightening and very engaging.
She is incredible.
simp
If you're born in a certain country & if you've had some good understanding of its culture, people, linguistics, norms, values, beliefs, etc., and if you're a thoughtful, educated person... you SHOULD be able to speak about that country (the good, the bad, and the ugly, which all societies have) --- even if you're no longer part of it, no longer living in it --- with more authority and with a more nuanced understanding of it than others, even if everyone speaking about it is equally well researched...
One mistake she made Was Trump administration gave Javelin missiles and sanctions , in Fact Congress did both, not Trump, He tried to hold the money back to find dirt on Hunter Biden
You do realize she's spewing all the usual cheap carricaturish cartoonish garbage about Russia and Putin. Old.. boring.. Unrelated to any reality.
Julia Ioffe is really the best. Unbelievably intelligent, knowledgeable, insightful, nuanced, eloquent, articulate, well spoken. Absolutely brilliant!
keep it holstered. lol.
She’s Perfect
Shes smart.
She's too pretty to be so smart
She gives a good name to journalism. Intelligent and insightful!
There is nothing so compelling as watching Julia's profound understanding of Soviet ways, being imparted with passion for the people and heartfelt disgust for Putin.
Very courages of Julia knowing who she is talking about.🙏🙏🙏Awesome, God blesses you
It is truly a tonic to listen to Julia. She has such a deep understanding of Russia and Putin, that one could listen spellbound for hours. I just wish that we could hear more from her. Her parents were certainly off mark in questioning her Russia career choice. Thank you so much Julia, from South Africa.
she has no understanding of Russia nor Putin,. not the slightest. are you serious. 1 million views and only 15k likes - all comments about her cluelessness get deleted.
She's a vapid propagandist
@@xmyxymx CZcams is finally getting decent at shutting down Russian trolls; of which you are one and so I have reported your comment :)
@@sargonassarg4356 So no democracy and freedom of speech in your world? Only your opinion and "facts" are right? I see.. the guy who has the same policy back in the 40s didn't end good.. just saying.
@@xmyxymx 1940s? You must mean Stalin, right?
Facebook and CZcams are private media companies; there is no democracy when you use these services. You must abide by their terms of service and one of them is prohibition of posting disinformation, which is what you are doing. Much of the disinformation spread by Russian paid trolls are easily disproved so CZcams should be able to make short work of your account :)
Your country of Russia has never known real democracy so you cannot understand what having freedom is like. Putin cracks down hard on anyone who says anything that goes against Kremlin talking points.There is no free press in Russia; only Kremlin controlled propaganda outlets. Russians with access to the Internet who are not paid trolls like you can see world views different from that of Putin and the Kremlin. However, oppression in Russia is severe. Protesters are whisked away to spend 15 years in prison just for voicing opposition to the war. There are peple who are in jail just for pressing like on a Facebook post. Russia is a crazy alternate world to live in and I look forward to its dismantling into independent separate countries.
Well I for one am very pleased Julia Loffe chose Ryssian history when all were focused elsewhere. Very informative
This interview is missing a lot of facts. And is biased against Russia. PBS is state TV. I'm an American but America has forgotten its values. People need to study more and not depend on state TV to tell them what to think.
@@afreewilling state TV that criticises the presidents? It's probably biased against Russia because Russia, well putin, has acted like a scumbag. How many untrained Russian will get battered fighting for his ego in a war they can't win?!
@@afreewilling name some of the missing facts and provide your sources then.
If you prove to me that Gorge Bush is a "born-again Christian" like she said, then I'll go Sir.
@@afreewilling ffs 🙄 you made the claim. Back it up
This is another fantastic interview with Julia Loffe. Just to note, I love this unedited interview format.
She has 4.4 million views because she knows her shit! Julia is a brilliant journalist. If there's one person who has taught me how we got here in such an eloquent and informed way it's Ioffe. 👏👏👏
Man, I wish this interview was like 10 hours long.
She is so brilliant. I hope they do one for Masha Ghessen also. Utterly top notch women.
There are one or two interviews with Masha on this channel which I found really informative. I hope they do another interview soon.
She is a good trockists and jewish commie. RThere never was a Ukraine as a country.
So many facts, circumstances and important background is left out of what she said. It's a pity. She should read Zbigniew Brzeziński "The Grand Chessboard", maybe then she better understands what's going on in Ukraine and why. The US always wanted to pull Russia in a war with Ukraine. It started with Maidan 2014 and will not end until US decides it to end.
@@MegaNoster Another Ruzzie BUTT. 🤦♂️😒
What a great analytical mind and storyteller. 👏
Telling stories other people paid her to say. Notice the disproprotionately small & narrow nose compared to her wide face, that is a surgeon"s work but overdone She wasn't born with that tiny nose like Natalie Portman.
She said Putin thought. Obama was just a dumb black man the long and the short of it. You know she's a straight shooter . Too many people walk around on eggshells and don't speak frankly I appreciate that👍😎🇨🇦
Fictional storyteller.
@@crhu319 again you people with your one-word responses no critical thinking just dumb responses you're obviously not a thinker go back to reading your comic books👍😎🇨🇦
@@crhu319 hear hear
Such a pleasure to see her mind understanding and explaining such a complex and dynamic topic.
Earlier I was captivated with her approach to subjects.
It gives me shivers wow who is buying this? Why not talk about time since 2014 , touch on Minsk perhaps? Spechless...
1939 russ started WW2 by teaming up with Hitler, murdering millions of people, including their own. Then 50 years of occupation and crimes against humanity.
1991 went home, but left many behind to white ant.
2014 started invading and mass murdering again.
russ has no modern history other than murder, cowardice, destruction and theft
‘Cause she’s paid not to 😅
Why was the Minx agreement broken? Why was Biden and son involved in corruption in
Ukraine? Why did Biden pull out of Afghan the way he did. This crises was caused by making Biden President.
Another excellent Julia Ioffe video! Thank you for making this video available to the general public.
All I hear in this interview is a woman who is not listening and is either so brainwashed or so ignorant of history she has no idea what she is talking about. Ignorant of the Cuba Crisis event when Russia was going to put missiles in America's neighbouring country Cuba like NATO is now trying to do in Russia's neighbouring country Ukraine and what America thought of this, ignorant of agreements made after world war 2, ignorant of Russia's history of supporting countries that are fighting their colonisers, ignorant of the world map and whose arms and missiles were getting closer and closer to whose boarder before this conflict happened, ignorant of who was responsible for the illegal over throw of an elected government in Ukraine and so the civil war that ensued in Ukraine if you can call it that because one side who supported the toppled democratically elected leader was almost defenceless civilians while the other which was the Ukraine government bombed it and riddled it with mines, just ignorance, ignorance, ignorance in everything she says on this topic. It is so amazing she can have such ignorance when all the information is out there and even a twelve year old could find it. Peace and love
pity it's mostly a lie
@Paparazzi Jane for the first 30 minutes, she's practically no liar, but then...
@@AntonSobyanin ...she rips off!
It's called acquiring ethos in rhetoric.
@@AntonSobyanin No. In the first minute she straw-mans Russia. I didn't listen beyond that.
Great great interview ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️ Julia should be working in the USA 🇺🇸 State Department
Very insightful. Great interview...
Thank you , this is journalism at its best .
How it might be the best journalism if on the first minutes she is making the false and misleading statement about what leaders been saying about NATO expansion to the east in early 90. And then she is building other statements on this false argument. She smart and intelligent enough to know about those facts but she is lying and why so many people admire about this and how this became the best journalism? A lot of what she is saying has a ground and might be true, but there is manipulations here.
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Julia Ioffe is always so good to hear. Smart.
You do realize she's spewing all the usual cheap carricaturish cartoonish garbage about Russia and Putin. Old.. boring.. Unrelated to any reality.
@@comment6864 You do understand that I am Belarusian and you know jack shit about the politics in my region?
Right? Only learned three years ago.
Shes's overflow
The best information/interview!
More interviews with Ioffe please!
Got Putin dissected , this gotta be stuck in every Russian ear, is there anybody out there,
An incredible in-depth reivew of the last year, this the is best analsys I have seen on this topic. Thank you Julia Ioffe!
Very articulate.
Not in my opinion, it is myopic and culturally blind to what's going on in Russia and the history, judged from an American perspective
@Lin Mal Articulate but incompetent unfortunately due to cultural bias, which is what we see here as the fundamental barrier. This woman thinks that she can understand Putin through an American lens, which is stupid
Greg Mathews, here's some news for you: Julia was born in Moscow, in 1982, in the USSR, and she's spent a lifetime making Russia her area of expertise. Maybe you should listen to her a little more closely. She knows what she's talking about.
@@jamesedwards6173 She works for the American media Puck who were given $7 million by a Venture Group. She is not a patriot and what Greg is saying is CORRECT. He obviously has researched for a long time as have I. Of course her opinion of Putin is JUST THAT. She was never close enough to get to know him! Sheesh! This is what they did to Trump even before he became President and they are not letting up even now.
Julia Ioffe never disappoints me.
Her interviews and some interesting documentaries on CZcams are the only videos that I watch completely and in one go.
BTW: I like her sweater.....fits her perfectly.
She has a good jaw line
I'm sure her mind reading analysis appeals to women, but it is geopolitical garbage. The simpery in this comment section is telling of the true lack of intellectual rigor of those who take this content seriously.
@@sanriosonderweg, feel free to point out something that she said and show how it is not true.
@@jimwheeler6094 the thing was registered during a campaign of Prigozhin's trolls to diss Navalny's team's complaints about poisoning. The channel is empty. They come in droves with similar names and spam to dissuade you from regarding this information. 146% troll
(hey from Russia btw, 146% is a 2012 local 'elections' meme)
good sweater - fits with her propaganda
Always a like before watching Julia. She is so sharp and so articulate, never fails to impress.
Is she not reading a Teleprompt? I have to agree, if not, she is very much articulate.
@@ltipst2962She is not reading a teleprompter. She is a real-time thinker and speaker. An incredibly valuable resource.
Her analysis is right on.
Outstanding!💫I should have known FRONTLINE would add more; and, these Interviews are the perfect vehicle to fill in the gaps. Bravo!!
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Julia is wrong on a major point in this interview, Putin right.
NATIONAL SECURITY ARCHIVES
NATO Expansion: What Gorbachev Heard:
Declassified documents show security assurances against NATO expansion to Soviet leaders from Baker, Bush, Genscher, Kohl, Gates, Mitterrand, Thatcher, Hurd, Major, and Woerner.
Dame that crazy B JULIA LOFFE is lying big time, and unfortunately too many dumb American believe her lies and propagandize and brainwashed hahahaha lol 😂😂😂👍👍👍🖕🖕🖕😈😈😈🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🇻🇳🇻🇳🇻🇳🇻🇳🇻🇳🇻🇳🇻🇳🇷🇺🇷🇺🇷🇺🇷🇺🇷🇺🇷🇺🇷🇺🇷🇺🇷🇺🇷🇺!!!!
@@dannytadashi4235
🎶Oh Danny Boy,🎶 she's brilliant and you're not!
All those FLAGS won't help your sorry a*s win.
SLAVA UKRAINI!🇺🇦
HEROYAM SLAVA!!🇺🇦
Wow - she's the full package and such a light in a dark place in Ukraine. I wish politicians were more like Julia.
She was born in Russia.
Look up her 2 other Frontline interviews.
Yeah, she's a package alright.. nothing inside.
Good luck with that.
This war would not exist if the US had stayed away from Ukraine and not prosecuted this war.
She's dead egg'd obsession with the man she will never have.
And all my years on Earth I have never seen or been so interested in a news interview. that was worthy of the people's ears. Young lady, you are incredible you are going to the right places. you are very intelligent Putin must know the United States is getting ready for him because he's never been this public about his life. or his strategies.👏🏿👏🏾👏🏻👏🏽👏👍🏼👌👍👍🏿👍🏾❤️❤️❤️🎯🎯🎯 I don't care what anybody thinks about Putin. we all have to admit he's one hell of an intelligent man.
Great interview, very upfront and honest in my eyes.
Bcz ur eyes r blind
Omg. I didn’t know who Julia Ioffe was but I’m now a fan.
Some Russian individuals living in Western countries are boot-lickers, are ashamed of mother land, because of the bad propaganda against Russia, they just follow the riverstream as dead fishes.
By far this is the most intelligent and coherent analysis on Russia in the public space. Thank you Ms. Loffe for your sharp insights, and for Frontline continuing to interview this expert as the Russia problem continues.
Ms. Ioffe...
All I hear in this interview is a woman who is not listening and is either so brainwashed or so ignorant of history she has no idea what she is talking about. Ignorant of the Cuba Crisis event when Russia was going to put missiles in America's neighbouring country Cuba like NATO is now trying to do in Russia's neighbouring country Ukraine and what America thought of this, ignorant of agreements made after world war 2, ignorant of Russia's history of supporting countries that are fighting their colonisers, ignorant of the world map and whose arms and missiles were getting closer and closer to whose boarder before this conflict happened, ignorant of who was responsible for the illegal over throw of an elected government in Ukraine and so the civil war that ensued in Ukraine if you can call it that because one side who supported the toppled democratically elected leader was almost defenceless civilians while the other which was the Ukraine government bombed it and riddled it with mines, just ignorance, ignorance, ignorance in everything she says on this topic. It is so amazing she can have such ignorance when all the information is out there and even a twelve year old could find it. Peace and love
Putin doesn't want Ucrania as this lady says, P is realistic, he never could control that whole country in hands, nor even so. For him the war has to finish now, but if continues, like the Western wants, he will take more as buffer zone and that is happening now. If it becomes worse because of the Western, then yes, P logically will try to neutralise the whole Ucraine (Western guiltiness). The main players for escalation are USA, Poland and the Baltics. Why they don't propose to use Poland or the baltics to continue the war then? It would be better because they warmongers are destroying Ucraine now with their rusofobic war-lust. It would be good to move the war to Poland and leave in peace Ucraine if it was possible.
Some Russian individuals living in Western countries are boot-lickers, are ashamed of mother land, because of the bad propaganda against Russia, they just follow the riverstream as dead fishes.
Fake news 🤣
is it a russia problem or a CIA problem?
What a great interview 👏 🙌 👌
There is an error in this lady's assertion that no promise regarding NATO expansion eastward was asked or made; However, I have PDF copy of a document obtained from the State Department under FOIA request in a federal court, that clearly states such a promise was made by US, and was signed by James Baker, Secretary of State back in those days.
She is attractive and wrong. Hypnotically and casually ignorant.
Stop spreading russian fakes and propaganda. There was no such promise. Besides who is Russia to decide about other country's pact choices? Cheap gas station has nothing to say. USSR is gone. Eastern Europeans are not soviet backyard anymore. We are done with Putin's excuses. Putin simply wants Ukraine.
Oh yea. All wrong. Just all wrong. It's really all the Ukrainians fault cause, well, they are not doing what Putin wants. They really need to listen to Putin. He knows what is happening with the USA. Putin is still talking with Trump. After all.
There is a NYT article that explains all of this.
Gorbachev himself said NATO expansion was not a topic.
No 💁🏻♂️🤴🏻
As Ukrainian I can tell that this is really good interview and spot on analysis on russia and pootin.
Slava Ukraini 🇺🇦
What do you think of this article?;
Once KGB Agent, Always a KGB Agent
BY NINA KHRUSHCHEVA
NPC
As a male I can tell you that she's hot.
@@Jonathanbloom100 What's so funny troll?
Slava Ukraine. I hope you and your loved ones stay safe until this is all over.
Julia truly understands who Putin is, her views on Putin, and others are so insightful. Really appreciate it, Julia.
@@rishishekhar2997 PBS is very transparent about it's political affiliations. Intelligent people can take that into account when consuming the content. Personally, I try to take what credible and neutral info I can while removing too much of the political bias/ spin.
She's delusional
Putin is trying to defend Russia from US aggression.
@@rishishekhar2997 exactly
once a KGB always a KGB, she was taught all this psychopathic behavior like Putin. its all nicely packaged and staged!
❤God Bless you for your insight and expertise.
Wow, all the sentences I have been hearing over and over for a year. Thnkx.
Wow! Learned more in this one interview than I have learned reading and watching the news and trust me me, I watch a lot of domestic and international news and I am deeply interested in foreign affairs! She’s absolutely good, compelling and articulate. Very knowledgeable too!
Why would you expect to learn anything meaningful by watching the news?
@paula... If you appreciate her as an interviewee, go back and search for the earlier Frontline interviews from about 4 to 5 years ago, where she lays everything out in very intricate and understandable detail leading up to this interview.
@@peterrose5373 why not? I am smart enough to make my own judgement when I watch the news, I don’t watch the news to be an ideologue but to be aware of current events! Don’t know where you are going with your question.
@@peterrose5373 sounds like you dont trust your own bullshit detector enough.
An Amazing 👏 comeback I ❤️
If I were President, I would have Julia as my Ambassador to Russia, or at least a Prime Advisor about Russia. She is amazing!
She was born in Russia.
No she would be pushed out the window, keep her here.
Hope Trump will be our President 2024 so he can ask her 🙏🙏
@@agimezei wow, the Kool-aid must be strong, you can't wrap your head around how he must perceive her assessment of him being a dumb and weak man who can so easily be played by flattery and the like
@@agimezei good joke😂😂😂
Would love to see full program of her with Amy Goodman.
Excellent talk 👍 thank you.
Probably the best commentary on the state of Russia and the crazy mindset behind the war in Ukraine that I have ever seen. Thank you.
Ya, avoiding a military alliance dedicated to your nation's destruction, including the German Army, & nuclear weapons on your border just 400 miles from Moscow, or ending the eight years of shelling the Donbas, & the large, but beleaguered ethnic Russian minority in Ukraine has been subjected to, leaving over 15,000 civilians dead in that time, is real crazy. Did I forget to mention the ultra-nationalist NEO-NAZIS who have been heavily armed, & turned into militias to extrminate the non-Ukrainian Russian, Greek, & Roma-Gypsy populations who have call the Crimea, & Eastern, &
Southern "Ukraine" home for several centuries, at least, not a crazy thing to deter.
Good grief man, their are literally hundreds of news articles, & video segments produced by the BBC, The New York Times, The Guardian. German State TV:Deutche Welle, France 24, The Washington Pist, PBS ... etc, etc, ... documenting the incredible power the Neo-Nazi, & the racist Ukrainian ultra-nationalists groups in western Ukraine wield in that corrupt failed state, ON THIS VERY PLATFORM, just a few clicks, & an easy "search" away. Ya maybe wanting heavily armed militias of ruthless, racist neo-Nazi's on your border isn't so crazy if you are of Russian extraction.
KOut
well she explained well their mindset and it is not that crazy
Before I begin the video, "The last time we talked to you (Julia), you were 100% right about everything years ago concerning Putin and Russia." Does she have a crystal ball or what? Go back and watch the old videos. It's crazy good.
I don't ever re-watch interviews on foreign policy issues but I re-watched those old Ioffe interviews, several times. She. Is. Fantastic.
@@fs5775 Exactly! I'm the same way but she was just spot on. In fact, in the comments people were like "How is this from 3-4 years ago?" or whenever it was. I have her name on alert on my news app but unfortunately I don't see much pop up. I would also recommend Dr Alina Polyakova if you have a moment. She talks to Dr Ian Bremmer of Gzero. I'd love to see a panel discussion with Julia Loffe and Alina Polyakova!!
💯% agree!
Really incredible dialog, Her analysis is right on.
Amazing insight.. That you Frontline and Julia.
Julie Amazing 📝🏫😘
Thank you, Julia, for all your research and concise presentation of these current events; tragic as they are. Journalism at its best! We really are grateful for you!
All I hear in this interview is a woman who is not listening and is either so brainwashed or so ignorant of history she has no idea what she is talking about. Ignorant of the Cuba Crisis event when Russia was going to put missiles in America's neighbouring country Cuba like NATO is now trying to do in Russia's neighbouring country Ukraine and what America thought of this, ignorant of agreements made after world war 2, ignorant of Russia's history of supporting countries that are fighting their colonisers, ignorant of the world map and whose arms and missiles were getting closer and closer to whose boarder before this conflict happened, ignorant of who was responsible for the illegal over throw of an elected government in Ukraine and so the civil war that ensued in Ukraine if you can call it that because one side who supported the toppled democratically elected leader was almost defenceless civilians while the other which was the Ukraine government bombed it and riddled it with mines, just ignorance, ignorance, ignorance in everything she says on this topic. It is so amazing she can have such ignorance when all the information is out there and even a twelve year old could find it. Peace and love
@Repent and believe in Jesus Christ seems to have worked out for all those orthodox Christians in Ukraine and Russia.....
She is truly insightful
lol she's a propagandist
@darko none clearly you don't understand what that word means....protagonist
I think Julia is a amazing beautiful woman and a person who is absolutely valuable to this country, it's always comforting to see her and i love to watch and listen to the way she presents her speeches, keep up the good work Julia you definitely have a lifelong fan, ❤️
What does her beauty have to do with anything? She would probably find it really annoying that you think that needs to be the first thing pointed out about her as a professional.
@@stockdrifta what if they said “she speaks beautifully” 🤭
@@stockdrifta Agreed.
@@stockdrifta
It's okay to notice that she's pretty. There's a lot of pretty in the world, but only Julia Ioffe has the detailed knowledge and ideas that she expresses.
I didn’t think you were talking about her looks actually. I thought you meant as an overall beautiful woman. Did I read that incorrectly? 🌹
Wow. Great interview and guest
Great thoughts and content from Loffe, again.
PBS: once more your interviewer's mic clarity (and gain) is so distorted, whilst Loffe is clear as a bell.
*Ioffe - her name is Ioffe. Content is free too
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Absolutely brilliant, thank you PBS, thank you Julia.
There is something about Julia Ioffe that I could listen to her talk for hours. She has such a wealth of knowledge of what has happened and is happening in Russia. She is truly a gem.
If I ever run for president.
She will be my advisor.
She is brilliant!
I've been waiting for the full interview release. Love it!!!
Where one can find the full interview release?
Julia is wrong on a major point in this interview, Putin right.
NATIONAL SECURITY ARCHIVES
NATO Expansion: What Gorbachev Heard
Declassified documents show security assurances against NATO expansion to Soviet leaders from Baker, Bush, Genscher, Kohl, Gates, Mitterrand, Thatcher, Hurd, Major, and Woerner.
I can watch and learn from her for hours. She's so good. Thank you PBS for releasing these longform interviews.
...because she is a 'specialist' in communication. lol
@@phoneblasterNazi mad?
Wow! That was amazing and insightful! Thank you!
I can listen to this woman all day. So elegant and well informed.
elegant, that’s the perfect attribute for this beautiful intelligent eloquent lady
Putin must like her very much lots of compliments for Tyranny just same Trump's and now? people are so stupid massive lol 😂
Amazing interview. I haven't heard of her, and now I'll search every content I can find with her, and I know a lot about the region and Russia, as I'm a Russian living in EU.
Cia account spotted
There's another long one with her on this channel that is excellent. She's very impressive
check her previous one on Putin x10months ago its as good as this. This Lady really knows how The World works.
iexpress, nope, no need to say anything more for everyone to get the clear message that you're a racist ignoramus.
@@phoneblaster Ah ha! You are astute and have done your homework! You won't convince any of the woke people on here anymore than I can with my wordy comments. I really should give up on them all.
These full length interviews are the best. I just wish they were added to the podcast feed(and the podcast feed was kept up-to-date).
This is straight up Pentagon propaganda. She is literally reading off a script. Its 80% lies
@@mcnally211 Are you afraid?
Rules based world order my foot
What a fortune teller this woman is!
Yes, especially its good that we can't hear the other side's perspective, since it was censored. USA should have one sided court system too.
Wow full of insight, i am so blown away. Comprehensive and full of knowledge. Thank u for this
“There’s this unmistakable stench of weakness about him.” Wow. What a brilliant analysis.
You mean Biden absolutely, don't see any of that in President Putin.
@@humblewolffx8302no he means Putin my Russian bot
America let's stay true to our values, we are a unique country that learned how to live amongst our diversity and thats what makes us stronger. We should keep doing the right thing- supporting democracy and freedom and offer our best intentions in diplomacy. Walk softly but carry a big stick.
RAH
you sound like a clown representing the most waring nation of the last 100 years
Being this fluid when talking about complex subjects (e.g. history) usually requires a teleprompter! Quite a specialized brain, Julia has!
Teleprompter.... or an encyclopaedic knowledge and comprehensive understanding of the subject .
Yes Remi Stardust. There are actually subject matter experts in our world who really know what they are talking about. You don't find them anymore in the (R) party, but they exist, thank goodness, to help President Biden actually govern.
She's very well rehearsed, and that's not meant in a negative way at all. I've listened to a few interviews with Julia now, so some of the content is familiar. Her take on the current situation is very interesting but also alarming.
You must be kidding? She's spewing all the usual cheap carricaturish cartoonish garbage about Russia and Putin. Old.. boring..
@@polly6336 Nicely packaged presentation .. completely missing content.
Fantastic interview!
We need to be showing this type of content and classes all across America
Love listening to her speak. So eloquent and nuanced.
you really need to be more inquisitive instead of being lulled by her voice.
And full of shit. Payd by Pentagon and the military kongressional industrial complex.
46:24 "To us, he looks like a wrecking ball, _OUR_ wrecking ball. They saw Trump as destroying the edifice of America and NATO from the inside, without Russia having to do a whole lot themselves, without Russia having to lift much of a finger."
Anybody who is a critical thinker could see how Trump was being manipulated but the people drinking the Magna Kool-Aid just couldn't see it and frankly some still don't. even after January 6th I mean Trump and his associates should have been locked up a long time ago they are the danger to your democracy and I don't mean the Republican party as a whole . They just got to get the wack-jobs out of that party👍😎🇨🇦
Too bad Republicans don’t watch PBS.
I saw President Trump as Russian wrecking ball from my seat in the United States too. The Russian rot now embedded in certain circles of the Q wing of the Republican party has me frustrated with the Party.
Mainstream Republicans need to reclaim their party, frankly, for the sake of the world.
What I can't still believe is that half the country still can't see how traitorous Trump actually was, and these mindless republicans are still protecting him.
If American democracy is going to be at risk on a coin flip every four years, I don't see how America's going to survive the next decade.
The whole of the Republican Party should be audited to see where their money comes from. When you see Tucker Carlson telling the stupid or gullible side of America to support Putin, he should be seen as Lord Haw Haw. If America was actually at war with Russia he’d be charged with treason. I’ll also include my own country in this UK, Londinagrad is real, and would love that to be re-opened. Boris may be lauding and supporting Ukraine now but he was responsible for the infiltration of Russian oligarchs and their money. He was compromised somehow then and knows he was duped. He awarded one of their sons a Lordship and what exactly did that cost us and pay him? Let’s hope we all rally together and demand investigations into Russian corruption in Western style. countries. Their facade of having evolved had been revealed, let’s not be duped again.
I love her analysis
Awesome interview 👏!
Glad I watched this. Julia Loffe explains the dire predicament with much authority and knowledge, without dressing it up. Its a must see !
No she didn’t all she’s doing is bashing Putin basically painting the picture of him as a evil person that is starting war for no reason but we the people know Putin is defending his country from nato
500 days too late. Other analysts have figured thar out including the majority of rest of the world
Pure Western propaganda
I never clicked so fast. I absolutely adore Julia’s commentary. She clearly explained and contextualized many of Putin’s motivations in a way I haven’t heard anyone else do.
I did the same thing!
almost managed to sound as if she was telling the truth
Mainstream lady and she is a freaking liar.
Mr. Baker promised to Gorbaciov, that NATO wouldn't move one inch eastward.
On 12th December 2017 The National Defence Archives of George Washington State University declassified the minutes of the Baker Gorbachiov dicussion which proves that such a promise was given to a Russian Leader.
It's not only Baker to said it to him, there were several western leaders did: the Western German leadership, etc.
Please watch the most truthful speech:
Vladimir Pozner: How United States created Vladimir Putin
Yale University website - 9 million views....
@@debann2864 Mainstream lady and she is a freaking liar.
Mr. Baker promised to Gorbaciov, that NATO wouldn't move one inch eastward.
On 12th December 2017 The National Defence Archives of George Washington State University declassified the minutes of the Baker Gorbachiov dicussion which proves that such a promise was given to a Russian Leader.
It's not only Baker to said it to him, there were several western leaders did: the Western German leadership, etc.
Please watch the most truthful speech:
Vladimir Pozner: How United States created Vladimir Putin
Yale University website - 9 million views....
@@paparazzijane7091 Seems to be the M.O. in the West. Appear sincere while distorting the facts. Like (at best) lemmings, many Westerners gobble this up.