Oklahoma Schools To Teach From The Bible
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Here is the memo sent out to OK school boards...
www.documentcloud.org/documents/24780673-immediate-implementation-of-foundational-texts-in-curriculum
Thanks for the posting Rev Ed, This is definitely a serious Topic..
Thanks. As a Catholic I’m checking it out. 😣
Seriously… 😒
Poor teachers ! We will be taking the brunt of this, until he comes not a thing..
I appreciate the doc link. It says it may be used for, among many topics, "comparative religion." OK, I would love to see the teacher who whips out other sacred texts from around the world for comparative purposes... BTW I took Bible Lit in high school as a choice between various junior year literature classes options. So it's not like one can't learn "from" the Bible in public schools... maybe just in Godless lefty CA where I'm born and raised, we're just too conservative, right? Thanks for sharing, Rev.
"Oklahoma Schools To Teach From The Bible"
The ENTIRE Bible? Or just the "nice" sanitized bits? You know, the passages that don't inform the reader that the god of the Bible is immoral, unjust, racist, sadistic, misogynistic, and not very smart.
You can bet that they don’t want teachers telling kids that we should feed the poor, welcome the stranger, sell all you have, give the money to the poor and follow me. Care for the sick. Blessed are the peacemakers. Love one another.
Perhaps they should teach a class in high school comparing teaching of Jesus versus policies of their politicians. Im sure that class would be shut down real fast
Why would you say that?
@@marylamb7707 because they believe in christian nationalism which is an idea of a strong man, beat your enemies, subjugate those into whatever doctrine you believe. This is similar to the idea that the Jewish people had as an idea of who the savior would be. The Jewish people of that time thought that Christ was going to be a leader that would get them out of the Roman rule. That he would come in and destroy the Romans. When you start listening to the christian nationalists, it almost has that same feel, fighting against some hidden enemy using whatever weapon that lays at their feet. But if you look at the actual bible, you see Christ not using any weapon. Christ told them this "feed the poor, welcome the stranger, sell all you have, and follow me".
@@marylamb7707 If you're responding to cowgirl9014, she's saying that because evangelicals don't want to follow the Beatitudes. They want political, racial, economic, and social domination, and they're willing to sacrifice Jesus' teachings to get it.
@@Sailor-Man-Dave
Nonsense.
As an Oklahoman and a follower of Christ, I have to say that not all of us here are fans of Mr. Walters and his foolishness. If he wants students to understand the "core values" and "historic context" of our country, they should read the Constitution. I wonder if Mr. Walters has read it. Using faith and spirituality to gain earthly political power is one of the most sacreligious acts I can imagine, the very antithesis of what Jesus taught.
The constitution as well as all the other historical documents regarding its writing.
In my opinion it breaks the third commandment: Using the name of God as a tool for his own selfish goals.
@@kentanderson1890 Actually reading the “Enlightenment Philosophers”, which were read/studied by the founding fathers, and which the constitution is based on would do more for giving students an understanding of the constitution. Add in a history of the Bill of Rights, and the rest of the amendments, so they know why every amendment in the constitution was added. In fact I think all of the current Supreme Court Justices, could benefit from that.
Evangelical ≠ Christian
Whole lotta people gonna be on the DOWN escalator to the nether regions! '"Just saying 'Praise Jesus' won't get you into Heaven, anymore"
I concur!
If they teach the truth from the Bible, those kids will go home and have nightmares. Especially the parts about incest, rape, Murder and genocide
Yes, one that's been making rounds has been "Mommy, what's 'adultery '?"
@@Insightfill "Ask your cheatin' father, honey. He knows."
Don’t forget the slavery, god being fooled by man several times, the times God does horrid acts to show off, the fact he made hell and “knows all” so he knows if you were going to go there but made you anyway….ahhhhh the Bible :)
Don’t forget the drugs and child abuse. Mark 14:51-52
@@williamwilson6499
And God telling the Israelites how to get slaves in exodus, 21
I don’t want some stranger teaching my child about the Bible. That’s why churches have bible school.
And when you find that there are MORE than 35,000 different denomination of Christianity.......
And it is part of your responsibility as a parent to teach your children too.
@@augiegrad80 correct! that’s the first place they should learn
What do you think the reaction parents would have to teaching The Song of Salomon??
@@dorothymayo7234 the teacher would be jailed for grooming and we would never speak of it again 😫
Just wait until the fighting starts over “whose” form of christianity is correct.
Lutherans are right of course! Except for those heretics in the Missouri synod. Scouting is good! =P
🙄
Hit the nail on the head. And then, whoever has their representatives holding the reigns of power, will persecute the heck out of all the other 'forms' that don't agree......ironically, it's the Bible coming to pass😊
A fight like that could go on for thirty years.
@@psydd5209,
I thought it was the Calvinists who were correct? Or was it the Eastern Orthodox? *Confused Atheist*
The inmates have taken over the asylum. This nation was founded by highly educated, intelligent men who valued reason and logic. They conducted a revolution to escape THE OFFICIAL CHURCH OF ENGLAND and thus made a constitution that allowed freedom of religion personally but also dictated that no official religion would be instituted by the government. Freedom of religion and freedom from religion.
How did we allow the poorly educated to such high places of power?
People love their hatetitudes those Gym coaches that know more about protecting their peers criminals than kids or veterans or those divorced granny's about "Christianity " families values
Couple of notes here.
1. The revolution was not fought o escape the church of England. There were and are plenty of Anglicans in the US. It was fought to escape the political power and tyranny of England.
2. The establishment clause is only applicable to the federal government, not state or local governments. As a matter of fact, many of the colonies were separated on largely religious means, some being predominantly Catholic, some Quakers, some Baptist. Many of these colonies, upon winning freedom from the crown and achieving statehood, instituted religious tests, aligning with the predominant religious beliefs for that state, that must be passed in order to attain public office.
@@nickchalmers9000 Yes the real war against Christmas was In 1659, the Massachusetts Bay Colony enacted a law called Penalty for Keeping Christmas. The notion was that such “festivals as were superstitious those lovely Puritans Christians.
@@nickchalmers9000 That is false but you will not look it up so...
As someone who lives in Oklahoma, I am embarrassed virtually every day. Ryan Walters is a disaster. I don't know what else to say.
Same guy who put Nex Benedict in the situation that ended their life.
@@duncansonoryanand said that they wouldn't accept Satanist (i.e. atheist) groups.
Unfortunately, this is a virus, spreading across our "Separation of Church & State" un-UNITED States.
As a Democratic resident of Louisiana I hear you. Just going to persevere until they realize they over-reached. You aren't responsible for people you voted against.
I’m in FL I’m right there with you smh I can’t even say every day it’s more like every time I pick up my phone 🤦♀️
The next step is it all schools will be required to buy and teach from the Trump version of the Bible
😢 that would be the ultimate Trump grift.
Follow the money
Please don't give them any ideas. There are too many as it is who seem to think that man sits on the right hand of God, enjoys God's special favor, and who was "the best president the United States ever had." I'm sure quite a few of them would approve of a Trump Edition. They already think his presence in the political arena is divinely inspired.
@@elizabetholiviaclark so true, so sad
@@marshalinn5577 That it is. Really though, when one stops to think how many people are still drawn to him despite the preponderance of evidence that he has no business anywhere near the Oval, it's more than sad. It's terrifying. The recent SCOTUS decision on presidential immunity should be sending a chill through the spine of every voter.
When I read of this, thought of what you addressed in the middle of this. Once a teacher uses the beatitudes, sermon on the mount, golden rule, compassion and justice, the same parents and church leaders who support this will be at the school board complaining about "woke ideologies" being taught at school
Tim Alberta reports an incident like that not in a school but a church.
@@liliswenson6144I remember this. The pastor preached the Beatitudes and a member of the congregation approached the pastor and said that the beatitudes was woke ideology.
I live in Oklahoma, and I'm a Christian. Ryan Walters needs to go. The Bible should not be taught in public schools because there are many different sects of Christianity not to mention completely different religions.
I'm just picturing what the average science teacher will do when forced to reference the Bible in their classes. It isn't going to be pretty. There's going to be a lot of _"And this is all the ways how Noah's boat wouldn't have worked"._
😅 ...And let's not even get started on how history teachers would tackle things.
@@lindaraezer3013 we agree but it shouldn’t be taught because it’s unconstitutional first, not the mention all the other issues
As a lifelong atheist I applaud Christians like you. Thank you for seeing the big picture. You might want to have a conversation with you Christian neighbors.
@@c.b.-the Bible is already been in Oklahoma’s allowed books for years. Waiters just wants to get votes.
Politicians dividing the peasants in order to control them.
Forget the politicians; this is coming from those they're beholden to! Their wealthy donors still trying to control every aspect of American life. We are not "free" in America!
This is such a vital message! There are so many hazards in this law. Historically, people have taken so much of the Bible out of context to justify wrongs. This is dangerous.
Yes. It's the darkest aspects of the Crusades, all over again. Not to mention, very stark examples of other well-known organizations that tried to repeat their own version of it. Forced indoctrination to a religion will never work. It'll always, as history should have taught us, has the opposite effect. There is a difference between properly inviting people to the faith, and tyranny. It seems, some still can't discern the difference.
That's why there are so many different Christian denominations. They all interpret the bible differently depending where they stand on the evolutionary scale. Then what bible are they all using. There are various translations available now.
If there are Hindu students, Buddhist students, Jewish students, Muslim students they all should bring their scriptures to class and demand to be taught from them as well.
Is it out of context to sell your daughter for 50 shekals of silver and if she doesn't please her master, to taker her back?
@@aralornwolf3140 Wait until they tell them they can’t eat bacon or shrimp!
@@carolburnett190,
Or clothes made with mixed fabrics? *Shrugs*
May I suggest that teachers be required to teach from the founding documents, the Declaration of Independence, Constitution, Federalist Papers, Common Sense by Thomas Paine, etc.
AMEN!
This.
F’n A bubba!
AND be required to show schoolhouse rock every year! 😉😂
@@sandralamphier9433 - Much better than the PragerU stuff that's being incorporated as I type.
As a Christian I retired in Oklahoma after life and career in New Jersey. But I haven't felt welcome in a Christian Church in the past 5 years here! When a Christian minister talk to Christ's teachings, the congregation said Jesus was too liberal! They didn't want the woke stuff of peace love and understanding!
In his book The Kingdom, The Power and The Glory, Tim Alberta relates a similar situation in a church. Fortunately, in my experience, it is the exception and not the rule. So far.
☮️&❤️💙
Yes, but a lot of churches have strayed from the bible. Many have women "leaders" and preach a "rainbow" agenda. And i dont mean the ark...
@@williamshafer1996you sound like the taliban.
@@williamshafer1996 as far as I know Jesus wasn't a fan of discrimination!
If I were a teacher in Oklahoma, I would be the most maliciously compliant teacher ever.
@hollyf.7846 I would teach science. I would go over the Scopes trial. THEN!!! I WOULD TEACH EVOLUTIONARY BIOLOGY. YEAH, BUDDY.
Oh, I would not mind putting a list of Beatitudes on the wall....see, how THAT goes.
Oklahoman here, and he’s been doing this for a while. He’s definitely grandstanding but he’s been doing this since before the Louisiana Ten Commandments stunt. As a Dem living in this state, it is very difficult. I feel oppressed by the views of other Christians in my state. I’ve been a Christian my entire life here in Oklahoma and I’ve never tried to beat others over their heads with my Bible or the scriptures within. However there are those in power in our state that are choosing to do this and it’s despicable.
You are probably doing more good than you know
Honestly, more Christians need to speak out about the damage that is done _to_ Christianity by trying to shove it into schools. Separation of church & state is _just as much_ for the Faith's benefit as it is for the government.
@c.b.- the misunderstanding of the separation of church and state has been the greatest weapon that Satan ever managed to form. Second only to Roe vs Wade.
You can put governor Stitt in the same boat it’s like they’re applying for a job if their golden boy trump gets back in the oval office
It's the same in Kansas.
Let's teach The NOBLE TRUTHS of Buddhism 💙
Life is suffering.
Jesus was a liberal, leftist Buddhist.
@@tenebrousoul9368 Rebel Jesus - Jackson Browne
@@psydd5209 I like his voice. NGL
These folks believe Buddhism (& anything that isn't their Christian Nationalist version of religion) is Satanic, so that won't be acceptable to them. There will probably be a whole dogmatic curriculum they will create that teaches Jesus himself was Christopher Columbus's co-pilot on the Santa Maria & raised the Stars & Stripes flag on the beach of the New World claiming it for God. The Reverend is correct this is gonna get messy & SCOTUS in its current form will support this obscenity.
Thank God and you that these videos exist. In these times of chaos, you are a guiding light.
Thank CZcams. There was no god used in the creation of these videos.
I totally agree that these videos are a Godsend! I hope the ones on separation of church & state go viral.
If "Conservatives" followed Jesus then I'd be less concerned; but with their words and deeds they often oppose what Jesus told us. They treat Jesus as a get out of hell free card.
Transaction does seem to be their religion.
Sounds like someone is afraid of Jesus and "Conservatives"
Jesus IS a get out of hell free card, but the challenge is we need to follow Jesus to get the card. Maybe they should put into practice what Jesus taught.
@libbycollins9349 Jesus tells us exactly what we need to do. I agree with you. The reason I use the word "free" is people seem to have been missed by themselves or others to think they can just claim to be a Christian as they march off in the opposite direction.
I don't blame most who are thinking this, because our culture has promoted this way if thinking. That makes it so important for those of us who understand to try to help point out the misunderstanding. That includes the fact I need to be reminded when I stumble. (Conveniently, I have a wife who helps keep me in check.)
Excellent assessment that I'm in complete ageement with. Excellent!
Tudor England alone was lesson enough. Our founding fathers were closer to that than we are. Just so crazy.
As a Lutheran I have many issues with John Calvin.
@@psydd5209 as a human I have a lot of issues with Henry and Mary burning/torturing people. But I totally get what you are saying.
@@Needabreak365 Rule Britannia!
@@psydd5209 Me too... Luther vs him or Zwingli for the win.
When I was a child I went to church with my paternal grandmother and my maternal aunt. Both were Pentecostal holiness, but their churches were very different. When I was 13 I decided to go to a baptist church where some of my friends went around the block from where I lived. My grandmother hit the roof and told me I would burn in the fires of hell if I went to the Baptist church. I live in the southern US. I don’t think my grandmother would be happy with any bible teaching unless it was here version and I will say my grandmother had a very warped sense of religion. She would pray with such zeal for the death and destruction of people that she did not agree with or was angry with. She and the deacons in the Baptist church I went to are the major reason I don’t attend church. I believe in God and Jesus and I pray to them, but I don’t do it in a church. If you ram craziness down a person’s throat enough, they want nothing to do with it.
AMEN!
Empathy and respect that you had eyes to see ugly and step away
There are some great churches out there that would not put you in that dilemma. I am lucky enough to have found one. Do not give up.
yep, you are right. death and destruction is not what God had in mind, IMHO. Love, forgiveness (sometimes difficult!) on the other hand? That's worth seeking. I also gave up on the church because of similar things and many tries, but I NEVER gave up on God. And he never gave up on me. This site, this rev? I can handle, and it is now my church. My faith? Strong as ever. Maybe even more, now I am on my own.
Have you condidered that there is a good chance that there is not a magic space man and your time would be better used studing and admiring the proveable parts of life. Forcing yourself to beleive in things that are not real dosn't sound like something that could ever turn out good... millions of people killed for religon seems like one effect.
Rev Ed Trevors, as an atheist living in Oklahoma, with a child in public schools,…I have to say THANK YOU for being a voice of reason! I absolutely understand and support what you’ve said here. THANK YOU!!
I find it refreshing how you, as a Christian priest, know when Christianity is actually being used as a weapon, by the Right, in schools, and this is not acceptable for true Christianity, like the Christianity you teach in YOUR Church. It is not to be forced, but to be taken on board by those that believe.
I hear he is a great babysitter as well, by the way...
It’s not being used by the right, it’s being used by the 2nd beast of revelation. Irony. The Bible being used to bring on the prophecies written in the Bible.
Isn't it funny how the people who scream the loudest about "government overreach" are willing to let something like this happen, just because it currently aligns with their desire to dominate others? These things always backfire and, when they do, the people who cheered them on are then the most vocal critics.
The blatant hypocrisy is mind blowing.
How long before some teacher who practices another faith who says I have to teach from the Bible, well I will also teach from my own book
How long before the ACLU gets involved?
I'm waiting for a Mormon teacher to make the news because of this exact reasoning.
@@c.b.- Exactly! Just wait until a kid comes home and says “Hey Mom, Dad, did you know Jesus wrote a book after the Bible! “
Love that “Hold my beer” was tossed in early. High school I graduated from in Tennessee many years ago had trained teachers for math, English, science, etc. but history and sex ed were taught by coaches - those classes were hilariously bad. Heads could explode.
As a Heathen who left Christianity, I find your words comforting. You are a rare breed.
I saw something the other day asking why the 10 commandants aren't posted in every church.
I'd ask why the 10 Commandments aren't OBEYED in every church.
@@donaldwert7137 (in my best sarcastic tone) Well now you're just being nitpicky! 😂🤣🤣❤️
@@humblemonkm61 LOL! I've got a Masters degree in nitpickediness. One might say I've been nitpickled.
@@donaldwert7137 Dr. Nitpick I presume?😁🤣🤣😂😄❤️
Of FFFS @@donaldwert7137there is no list of 10 Commandments anywhere in the Bible.
As if teachers don't have on their plate as it is! Politicians need to stay in their lane!! Stay out of religious and medical decisions and take care of the people that voted you in to make their lives better not worse.
Wish I could rec this more than once.
"I have a splinter in my eye -- and I need YOU to help me remove it."
QUAKERS BELIEVE IN NO WAR yey!!!! 🎉🎉🎉
except Nixon
They also, apparently, have been known to "Keep it in the family." So to speak.
Do they believe in no war or do they believe in no fighting? Sincerely asking because I don’t know.
Excellent and valid points as always.
Every time I stumble upon one of your videos I think the same. If my government ever forced me, an atheist, to go to church I would try to find a church with a Reverend just like you.
As a citizen of Oklahoma You are so right on. I don't have a child but do have a grandson that is a student,and i will stand up against this crap.
Way back in my youth, I had parents. Normal folks. No way would they ever permit another taking charge of, or being involved with, my religious exposure. Calm and quiet people.
Separation of church and state is a fundamental Baptist distinctive. Many Baptists would go to court if ordered to teach the Bible from a Baptist point of view, too.
Oh, those pesky christians! Up to those shenanigans!
The fundamentalists are the dog who caught another car. Happy chewing! 😄
Yeah, those fundamentalists are going to get their teeth caught in the toesack of reason attached to the wheel of law...
From an agnostic raised in the Christian church who still finds comfort there, thank you. The teachings of faith belong in the houses of faith where welcoming concepts can be imagined and shared with those who find comfort in them. The government is a place for all people of all faiths. It is where policies and laws are crafted for the better of the many and their differences of culture, self, and mind.
When the church controlled the crown across Western Europe during the dark ages, we did not have peace and prosperity. We had countries at perpetual war over minor differences in scripture, large scale poverty, low quality of life, the loss of knowledge.
Faith is not a bad thing if it is treated like faith. When people start to pretend faith is knowledge, reason loses out.
Truth speaks so well through comedy, as do you Rev. Ed.
Loved this! Back in the 70s we had a Bible club, but it was after school was out, where we disused the Bible it wasn't mandatory it was out of you wanting to know more. When you force it you will have less believers
Not if you start indoctrinating the very young children. You have to carefully close their minds and tell them they are not supposed to doubt. It switched off critical thinking.
I know right, just ask the muslims and confusianist. A couple billion cant be wrong! You are in the freest country in the world. Nobody is forcing you into anything!
Love you Ed…..you reveal the light!
You better be careful who you listen to. Evil can't cast out evil... if only i knew who said that...
@@williamshafer1996 You get rid of evil by turning on the LIGHT.
One last thought... I started school before praying was banned. They could make me bow my head & close my eyes but they couldn't make me pray!!! 😮
A priest told a Jewish friend of mine who was serving as best man at a wedding to just silently mouth the word “watermelon” repeatedly while the congregation recited the profession of faith. Visually, couldn’t tell the difference.
I was brought up to believe that it isn’t required to pray out loud for God to hear your prayers. I never understood the big deal about praying in school because if what I was taught is true you can pray anytime or anywhere.
You rebel. You told God!
They can punish you, but they can't make you.
@williamshafer1996 which god? Man has invented thousands.
I really am a frog in a pot of water.
Pass the pot
Walter’s is a huge embarrassment to Oklahoma. Has been since his first week in office. We are in the bottom 5% in education in the US and this sideshow clown has done ZERO to change that.
He enables those who want the PUBLIC schools to fail. They wanted public money to support their private, charter, academy, religious, white, nationalist, bigot factory.
I think that's the secret to his success. With a good education, you start questioning things and thinking critically, and I doubt he wants difficult arguments to justify.
This was BRILLIANT!!!!Thank you Reverend ❤
Thank you ❤, Amen 🙏
Page 600, paragraph 3, fourth sentence, third word, and I quote ,"the.". That's how I'd do it.
Amen thank you rev 😊
As a Pastor I've prayed for "end life" patients that have actually told me as Baptists, "not to allow them transfered to Methodist hospital" or vice versa. Regardless of having NKJV in hand, some at deaths door requested not to be at Catholic hospital or vice versa. This is gonna be nuts.
I have to say, it kind of blows my mind what narrow boxes people hold the divine in.
Thanks for your thoughts. I live in Oklahoma. Ryan Walters is beholden to those who want to destroy the public school system, among other things. It's been building down for years. Part of the plan is stuff like this and "Parental Choice" : Every parent should be given money to home school or send their children to a private school. Currently one has to apply for The Parental Choice Tax Credit program which has reached the $150 million limit for 2024. There may also the religious charter school route that will be run up to the SCOTUS. Eventually there will be less to no money left for true public schools. It is mind boggling what goes on & how many people vote, if they vote at all, against their own best interests. Ryan Walters won the State Superintendent's office by 57%. He took his win as a mandate. In 2022, Walters ran on a platform of fighting "woke ideology," banning books from school libraries, getting rid of "radical leftists", “liberal indoctrination,” critical race theory, critical thinking, transgender identities and diversity, equity & inclusion in general. He's only doing what the people want him to get done. He will probably be the next governor. Twice as many registered Repubs as Dems here & with straight party voting ballots you only have to make one check. This is a land of "Ignorance is bliss" & the people want to keep it that way... easier to force feed all the lies & misinformation, to follow, to be ruled. I used to say God help us. Now I don't know where any God is in all of this especially the state's Christian Nationalist one. Now, I pray to find a way, a place that is not here. I don't feel that I'm isolated, or alone. There just are not enough of us left to make a difference. Did not mean to launch into these many words. I wrote them; they're staying. I hate typing & writing. thanks for reading to this point.
👋👋👋👋 Bravo! That must have felt good for a minute. I feel like I'm living in the TWILIGHT ZONE. I hope a way is opened for you to find a place away from where I would certainly feel like I was constantly "walking on eggshells." I fear history repeating itself; what is to come? The Salem Witch Trials 🙏 Blessings, Prayers, & Strength
Thank you rev ed! I was in public school in illinois in the 1960s and our english teacher taught a story that Bible based. She called on me and i didnt know the answer. She made a big deal of the fact that i clearly didnt pay attention in sunday school. Of all the things i rememer about her class, that stands out
It's true that the Bible is part of our cultural literature/mythology, but that teacher was SO out of line. Sorry you had to go through that pissy show of piousness. I mean, did she make a big deal of the fact that some of you didn't know the Norse myths, which define the days of the week?
Crazy how they want the bible taught in school. How they say to follow Jesus's teaching. All the time they follow Trump who has broken every teaching of Jesus himself.
Oh yes the bible that says the only people allowed to own slaves are the Hebrews, which is far biblically described as dark skinned, really dark skinned as in black.
That’s who they think Jesus is ,there orange savior
Amen...🙏 thank you ❤
I agree 💯. There are so many denominations in America. On one street there are 20 church buildings, one denomation split and the second church opened less than a mile from the church they split. And they expect to go into schools? It's insanity I can't believe they are working so hard to cause this. God be with us🙏🕊️💝🌈
There are a lot of denominations in just Christianity. There are over 5000 religions in the world and there is no proof that a God or God’s exist. It amazes me that people believe some writings of fiction written 2000 years ago
@@berneyvonk1i know... burns you up inside, right. Oh well. Enjoy your life.
"We knew that we needed to include the Bible directly into the classroom so that kids understood the full historical context of its role in American history," said Oklahoma State Superintendent Ryan Walters
Oh what fun and mischief can be had following the Superintendent's instructions. Especially when one highlights verses from the Old Testament. Take the Ten Commandments for example. What an interesting lesson we could have when explaining things like adultery and slavery to 1st Graders.
An old saying comes to mind: "Be careful what you wish for."
Also, we most definitely did read parts of the kjv in my high school British literature classs. This did, in fact, include a discussion of some of the politics around the KJVs creation, and of the fact that there are translations which are far more accurate based on primary source documents which had not been found at the time of its publication.
Oooooo, and yeah. Definitely teach about the Jubilee Year!
The Dream of the Rood~
John's Comma~
I want to see the chemistry teacher talking about acid base chemistry referencing the mythology of Bronze Age goat herders or even Roman Empire provincials. How are they going to illuminate the Lowry Bronstead definition?
Those snake handlers will be great for science class.
Phosphorus.
Love this❤🤗
This is a sermon i am happy to hear. Peace!
Thank you for being a normal, rational person of faith, speaking to this lunacy.
Nothing is more contrary to reason and common sense than Christianity
I know right! Burns you up inside. Doesn't it. You might wanta check into that...
This reminds me of the abolishing of Roe v Wade, they did not take into account pregnancy complications. Such as partial miscarriages, ectopic pregnancies, children who are victims of rape or incest, women bleeding out, women becoming septic, so now there are woman and girls dying from lack of care, women being turn away from a hospital because they don't want to be in legal jeopardy if they treat a woman and the treatment needed to save her is a therapeutic abortion. This mix of religion and government is so very wrong and unconstitutional, expecting teachers who may or may not be Christians, who may or may not even know what the Bible says because they are of a different religion, or no religion at all. What are they going to do include the Bible in the curriculum to tell teachers what Bible to use, what "historical" lessons they can teach. If Jesus showed up today, he would be considered a radical liberal and dismissed by the GOP. What is going on, this is all so insane. Thanks for your view point as a Christian priest Rev Ed, please pray for America, we are in trouble.
Also Jesus didn't say anything about Abortion and God supported forced abortion as long as the man could use the excuse that the fetus isn't his he doesn't have to have proof he just has to have a tiny paranoid thought about it
Thank you for your generous blessing.
May it be also with your spirit, Rev.
Thank you so much for speaking on this.
You are completely right, thanks Rev Ed
If I were to teach history and literature from the Bible, I guarantee the people who cooked up this idea would NOT like it. I am a SERIOUS student of theology, and that means understanding how that "historical document" came about, what the contextual factors at play in each era are, where the contradictions are and what literary purpose those contradictions may have...
Yeah.
If it gets through, it will be time to pull in Bart Ehrmann and a crapton of religious educators to teach all the things that Evangelicals don't want to admit about why their view of scripture is seriously lacking.
Psalms will be great for music class.
@@psydd5209We sang songs that were psalms in my high school chorus. We also sang songs of African origin, European origin, songs from many countries. Singing a piece of music that has stood the test of time and is a creative work of art will always be with us.
@@psydd5209 Not all of them. Some of the psalms are pretty gross.
This makes me think of Emo Phillip’s Golden Gate Bridge sketch.
@@mk1st That's exactly what I was channeling !
I love this! You said everything succintly that I've been trying to say for a long time now.
Wow! Reverand Ed! You said it all! If only our congress would consult with smart and spiritually mature guys like you. Thank you for sharing this news and pointing us in the right direction!
My understanding is that we are to spread the good word, not force feed it to the masses. Being a Christian is meant to be a choice not a mandate.
I missed that part of the bible. Must make it convenient to be a "priest "...
@@williamshafer1996 Maybe you need to actually read it. It is evident that you have not done so.
@@williamshafer1996 Deuteronomy 30:15-20, makes it very clear that you can in fact choose not to follow the ten commandments but the consequences are also clearly laid out for not doing so. So yes, you have a very free choice to make. Just like any choice that you have to make, there are always repercussions. Good or bad, they are there.
If Jacob had twelve sons. And one day the eleven sold one brother into slavery. How many brothers would kneel at that slave's feet?
Technically, that’s not simple arithmetic… Given it’s use as a parable, and the moral/ethical/capitalist/spiritual/cause/effect/motive/consequence elements involved, it crosses into the realm of fuzzy logic, a cutting edge component of artificial intelligence…
Simultaneously, this brings into play another parable of sorts, from an entirely different culture/belief system…
Ever read about Pandoras Box?
@@user-jd1kc9xw1x So much to learn from the Bible.
IIRC, not all of Joseph's brothers sold him. Benjamin for sure didn't.
Miss Miss, how come there are 13 Tribes of Israel listed in the Bible when you said there are 12
@@russellmiles2861 Don't the tribes of Israel come from Abraham? And Abraham had Ishmael with the servant ya? That's the odd one out.
I guess the teachers will fit in the Bible teaching between the academic requirements and the shooter drills. As a woman of faith, I don’t want a teacher to spend time on the Bible because that needs to be taught in the home and at your selected House of Worship according to your beliefs. Separation of Church and State is one of the foundations of our democracy.
Thank you, Rev. Trevors, for your sound reasoning.
My favorite parts of the Bible are the book of numbers, chapter 5, versus 11 - 31! That's where God gives a priest instructions on how to perform an abortion! Then there's the part on Sodom and Gomorrah being destroyed because of their ill-treatment of the poor, not for being gay!!
Remember, Lot wanted to pass his daughters over to the crowd. Later on, Lot’s daughters got him drunk and had nonconsensual relations with him and bore his children.
There’s also the story of a bear mauling children because they laughed at a bald man. (2 Kings 2:23-25). There’s the story of a man who gave one of his concubines to the men of the city. She was gang r@ped. She died. Her body was divided into pieces and passed out to the tribes of Israel.(Judges 19-21)
It bothers me that too many people have not read the entire Bible, yet they want it taught in schools.
I have not read the entire Bible. I found out this year about the Bible story of the concubine.
Wonderful! Can you imagine liberation theology and the option for the poor being taught to those being brought up with the prosperity gospel?
Just watched Beau's video on this...
*EDIT* Ah, different topic - related though.
I am already talking to my Science teacher sister about malicious compliance.
Let’s see the use of the Bible in discussing the Mexican American War. They could refer to the Ten Commandments referring to Thou shalt not steal like the USA mugged their neighbor
Or the theft from the Native Americans!
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You, Rev. Trevors are appreciated.
We love you and watch you almost every day you are a truly inspired Christian that can offer healing to any faith
A clear violation of an individual, this being the teacher's, first amendment right to be free from religion and not to be compelled by a government to speak about a religion.
The teacher's might be compelled to talk about it, but there is nothing in the laws saying they have to be any good at doing so. I'm wondering what the malicious compliance is going to look like.
Shouldn't the Torah also be held up as an important historical document?
Agree The thing is to the Torah was the first document way before the Gospels..
@@ad-dx9gi oh I know.
The laws of Moses are what many "Christians" want to enforce on the country
I just found your channel. You are awesome. I totally enjoyed your logical and factual information and thoughts. Simple examples for lay people like me. Thank you Father!
First, thank you for posting this message. Definitely important to have this conversation.
My concern is that this may start the prosecution of true believers, while the lukewarm fanatics will denounce the Faith to save their own lives...
All-in-all, the LORD is in control. To anyone who may comes across this little rant of mine; stay blessed.
Spot on !
"The kids have to go to school." Oh don't (do) worry: the Republicans are working on that too.
At least the OK Supreme Court stopped the Private Charter School deal. You cannot use public funds for private schools.
@@karenm7857 I wish they did that here in Wisconsin. To add insult to injury, the per pupil funding stays with the school even if the student gets kicked out. The student only has to remain in the religious school through the third Friday of the new school year. Usually it’s behavior related and the kids end up coming back to the local public school district with NONE of the prorated money the religious school originally received. Thus putting financial burden on the public school and the religious school gets to pocket the money.
Fantastic opinion piece! Totally agree with you.
Well put .
Once upon a historical fact they used the Bible to justify commiting all kinds of Atrocities like Slavery ,I support separation of Kool aid and state .lol
If they're bound and determined to jam the Bible into the classroom, teach it as part of a literature course. I took such a course when I was in high school. It was a six-week elective "mini-course" through the English department. I enjoyed it, and thought it was a good way for a non-Christian like me to begin to learn about the book. But I agree with you, Rev - what they're trying to do is going to be a disaster, one way or another. Thanks for another excellent perspective.
Thank you for this. It is truly Pandora's Box.
Well thought out and spoken! So true!
Pity the poor gym teachers having to teach from the Bible... "Well, we were gonna do football Fridays, but looks like it's gonna be javelins & wrestling with angels again..."
The Samson Challenge?
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Will they have Salome Dancers as Cheerleaders? A real Jezabel new girl.
Mystery Meat Monday's with unleavened bread.
Jesus Loves Me This....
To be his Disciples you must hate your CHILDREN, WIVES, AND YOURSELVES!
CHILDREN WILL LEARN AND NOT CARE FOR AUTHORITY.
i love all your what-ifs - exactly. the thing about the bible is that it's all, ALL, in there, all ways all things can be handled (imo you need God to clarify what's what to your heart). so which is it: if you're not for us you're against us, or if you're not against us you're for us? and then there's the risk of mirroring the behavior of other religions which might be modeling education-based-on-their-scripture to justify blowing up the "infidel." smh. bless you reverend ed.
Bravo !
The Reverend makes great points . I totally agree with him.
According to NPR, the person who put this into action has (somewhat) clarified how the law should be put into effect. It's supposed to be used in literature and history classes only and from grades 5-12, with the purpose of showing how Christianity has influenced great literature, and American history and culture. My first question was the same as yours, from which Bible will they teach? How about teaching from the Jefferson Bible. Old Thomas Jefferson was noted for ripping up his Bible and removing passages he didn't like.
Rev Ed thanks for sharing this , Church and State separated is what America has done since the founding..This is a kaos and a big problem is Teachers are going to interpret the Bible the way they see it.. Also theres different versions of the Bible, for Example Catholics can't use the King James version..Its also Public school there is diversity theres Jewish with the Torah , Budda and agnostic etc.. Thanks for this important Rant..God Bless 🕊️
Well said.